Nigel Farage says it as it is

jpfahy

http://youtu.be/bdob6QRLRJU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdob6QRLRJU

Nigel Farage tells Barroso, Van Rumpoy, Juncker and Ollie Rehn that they should be fired over the failure of the Euro. Why has this been ignored by the media?

biko

So what do we discuss OP?

jpfahy

Perhaps we should discuss how right that man is and why our government and media choose to ignore the truth....

Please post a summary of what he's saying in the OP and what we should be discussing or I'm closing this
this isn't a youtube link dump

thanks

Duke Leonal Felmet

cannot watch at work.

Slozer

Has being saying it like it is for the past decade and alarmingly has consistently warned of the rise of nationalism because the wishes of the peoples of europe are increasingly being ignored.

nesf

Meh.

Ellis Dee

What a load of populist twaddle! Like everyone else, he can see some obvious problems and failings, but did not mention anything by way of a solution. Add in a bit of anti-German sentiment ---:rolleyes::rolleyes:

He has a certain degree of charisma, but so had Hitler, who was light years ahead of him in terms of entertainment value, if you like that kind of thing. Farage will never appeal to anyone capable of balanced thought.

Ellis Dee

nesf wrote: »

Meh.

Exactly. That's what I was trying to say when I wrote my earlier rather long-winded post.:):):)

jpfahy

Ellis Dee wrote: »

he can see some obvious problems and failings,

understatement of the year award goes to Ellis Dee

anymore

Slozer wrote: »

Has being saying it like it is for the past decade and alarmingly has consistently warned of the rise of nationalism because the wishes of the peoples of europe are increasingly being ignored.

lets us take a recent irish example. Mr De Rossa has been actively intervening on behalf of Kevin Cardiff in the case of Mr Cardiffis appointment as EU auditor. the bulk of public opinion appears to be that this man should not be appointed and I presume Mr De Rossas constituents feel that way as well. Yet showing a brazen contempt for the feelings of his fellow citizens Mr De Rossa continues to act as if he were Mr Cardiff's lobbyist. So where is the democracy in all of this ? is it a surprise that some many view the EU with such contempt ?

bedrock#1

nesf wrote: »

Meh.

What's meh?

Meh - I don't care?

Meh - I have no opinion?

Meh - I'm not capable of an opinion?

Meh - I'm trying to be cool and witty?

On to the post....

I think Farage is saying what we already knew - At some stage this was going to happen. Those who campaigned against the EU Constitution and the Lisbon Treaty are being proved right. That at the next available opportunity/crisis (to be taken as interchangeable) those in the highest echelons of the EU would seize their chance to gain an ever increasing amount of integration to the point of Europe becoming economically centralized in Brussels/Berlin.

Just as with Lisbon we will be bullied and threatened into these changes. And of course, our lovely government will, after some huffing and puffing (for show of course) concede. Next it will be their job to scare the living sh1te out of the Irish people, just like they did the last time and what we are left with is being a crappy EU backwater. No sovereignty here any more boys and girls.

Slozer

Ellis Dee wrote: »

What a load of populist twaddle! Like everyone else, he can see some obvious problems and failings, but did not mention anything by way of a solution. Add in a bit of anti-German sentiment ---:rolleyes::rolleyes:

His message, from what I can gather is let the people of europe decide their faith as they eventually will. He has a point and he is all for the disbanding of the euro. Other than referendums and democratic processes, no he doesn't offer a solution!

bedrock#1

Slozer wrote: »

referendums and democratic processes, no he doesn't offer a solution!

Exactly!

That's because these ARE the ONLY solutions.....

bedrock#1

Ellis Dee wrote: »

What a load of populist twaddle! Like everyone else, he can see some obvious problems and failings, but did not mention anything by way of a solution. Add in a bit of anti-German sentiment ---:rolleyes::rolleyes:

He has a certain degree of charisma, but so had Hitler, who was light years ahead of him in terms of entertainment value, if you like that kind of thing. Farage will never appeal to anyone capable of balanced thought.

Anti-German sentiment? Maybe - But it's the truth.... Europe wanted to stop Germany completing the hat-trick.

Slozer

bedrock#1 wrote: »

Exactly!

That's because these ARE the ONLY solutions.....

In a democracy, yes.

nesf

bedrock#1 wrote: »

What's meh?

Meh - I don't care?

Meh - I have no opinion?

Meh - I'm not capable of an opinion?

Meh - I'm trying to be cool and witty?

Meh - I've seen better analysis of the situation.

Meh - I don't care at all what Nigel Farage thinks about the EU, the Eurozone or economics in general.

JustinDee

jpfahy wrote: »

Nigel Farage tells Barroso, Van Rumpoy, Juncker and Ollie Rehn that they should be fired over the failure of the Euro. Why has this been ignored by the media?

For a start it was over a week ago and was hardly headline stuff.
A marginal MEP/born contrarian/xenophobe has a go at the EU yet again. So what?

In that day's business/economics/politics news:
Public sector downsize of over 15,000 jobs - bigger news
IMF European chief resigns - bigger news
Northern Rock sold to Virgin
Sick pay proposal re.employers

Other news:
Prime Time libel case judgment
Stephen Lawrence murder trial in UK
Vatican embassy closure statement
Murder and abduction of Ciaran Noonan
Celebrations on qualifying for Euro 2012
Sepp Blatter racism gaffe

Farage's latest tirade surpressed news? Hardly.
Barely even news fullstop.

bmaxi

Slozer wrote: »

In a democracy, yes.

Unfortunately, democracy is becoming a thing of the past in Europe. Presently, we have unelected PMs in Greece and Italy and puppet Governments in Ireland, Portugal and Spain, with Hungary and Belgium just around the corner.
I wouldn't normally have much in common with Nigel Lefarge but on this occasion I do, albeit not for the same reasons. Germany has achieved through economics, what it failed to achieve through military means.

Boskowski

Contrary UKIP fella utters anti-Euro believes and - surprise, surprise - also sees the writing on the wall for the Fourth Reich coming.

And people on boards are genuinely asking why this isn't considered gospel and on every front page since?

I mean he has a couple of valid points with regards to lack of democratic legitimation of some EU bodies. But really - all he needs now is a hanky on his head and a silly walk and he can stand in for Basil Fawlty.

Batsy

Farage is, of course, perfectly right in what he says. I always vote for UKIP at the European Elections and they always do well. They got more votes than Labour and the LibDems in the last Euro Elections in 2009, finishing behind only the Conservatives. They are also becoming more and more popular in British domestic politics, gaining a higher percentage of the vote with each General Election.

In fact, UKIP have been doing so well in Britain that if the Greens or the Communists were doing just as well the BBC would be praising their success. As it's UKIP, though, there isn't a peep from the BBC.

It's a while off yet but I'm seriously considering voting for UKIP in the 2015 General Election.

weldoninhio

Batsy wrote: »

Farage is, of course, perfectly right in what he says. I always vote for UKIP at the European Elections and they always do well. They got more votes than Labour and the LibDems in the last Euro Elections in 2009, finishing behind only the Conservatives. They are also becoming more and more popular in British domestic politics, gaining a higher percentage of the vote with each General Election.

In fact, UKIP have been doing so well in Britain that if the Greens or the Communists were doing just as well the BBC would be praising their success. As it's UKIP, though, there isn't a peep from the BBC.

It's a while off yet but I'm seriously considering voting for UKIP in the 2015 General Election.

Depending how the economy goes in the UK, you might not get the chance to vote. Much like in Italy and Greece. Your european overlords will put a team of economists in charge.

Scofflaw

bmaxi wrote: »

Unfortunately, democracy is becoming a thing of the past in Europe. Presently, we have unelected PMs in Greece and Italy and puppet Governments in Ireland, Portugal and Spain, with Hungary and Belgium just around the corner.
I wouldn't normally have much in common with Nigel Lefarge but on this occasion I do, albeit not for the same reasons. Germany has achieved through economics, what it failed to achieve through military means.

What, paying for everyone else? I'm pretty certain that's not what they fought two world wars to win.

amused,
Scofflaw

bmaxi

Scofflaw wrote: »

What, paying for everyone else? I'm pretty certain that's not what they fought two world wars to win.

amused,
Scofflaw

Comparatively speaking, I would hazard it cost Germany as much or even more in monetary terms to fight those wars. What we tend to forget is, somebody else picked up the tab for their rebuilding.

Scofflaw

bmaxi wrote: »

Comparatively speaking, I would hazard it cost Germany as much or even more in monetary terms to fight those wars. What we tend to forget is, somebody else picked up the tab for their rebuilding.

And they got to be a military protectorate of the US for nearly two generations in exchange for WW2. Lucky them.

As far as I can see, Germany faced the choice that faced all the ex-Imperial nations, which was between trying to be first among nations through self-development and trying to cling to past imperial grandeur, and took the first choice far faster than either the UK or France (or indeed the US, which still wants to be the world's hegemon). Far from wanting to run other profligate countries, they seem interested only in keeping other people's hands out of their pockets. Hard to blame them, really.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Slozer

bmaxi wrote: »

What we tend to forget is, somebody else picked up the tab for their rebuilding.

I think the Germans paid fully for both wars, they had thier profitable industries taken away after the first war which in turn led to hyperinflation because they couldn't pay their bills. They were then ripe for the onset of nationalism and the rise of Hitler.

Boskowski

I know this is really not the level a discussion should be held at but it's obvious that there is still a good few British voices firmly living in the past. I mean look at where you get off the train coming from Paris through the Euro tunnel, bloody Waterloo Station. They just can't help themselves.

If that's the level we want to have this discussion at, that is...

Rebelheart

jpfahy wrote: »

http://youtu.be/bdob6QRLRJU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdob6QRLRJU

Nigel Farage tells Barroso, Van Rumpoy, Juncker and Ollie Rehn that they should be fired over the failure of the Euro. Why has this been ignored by the media?

Isn't Ireland (and the other small nations of Europe) so ineffably fortunate to have such heroic people as Mr Farage defending her interests? It gladdens my little heart that in 2011 the defenders of Irish sovereignty are the spiritual and political inheritors of Humphrey Gilbert, Edmund Spenser, Oliver Cromwell, The Famine Queen and Margaret Thatcher.

I am especially proud of Irish-born people who have adopted the euroscepticism and bitterness against the Franco-German dominated EU that all these nutcase British rightwingers have. These weak-willed, easily-led "Irish" people would have been informing on the native Irish to the English in 1641, 1798, 1803, 1822, 1848, 1867, 1916, 1972 and 1981.

Without the EU Ireland would still be the sorry anglocentric, myopic, Brit-copying, mé féiner shíthole the British made it and left us with in 1922, tied to the wannabe world power of Britain and with a chip on its shoulder about the rise of the EU. The EU has been brilliant to Ireland. The native Irish elite, on the other hand, have of late especially not been good at all. But trust the section of Irish society which deserve the words "stupid thick Paddies" to swallow all this europhobic drivel in British tabloids and put the European Union as the scapegoat for all of this. The abject ignorance.

This new Europhobe fashion is always either from West Brits or tabloid-reading undereducated Irish people. The overwhelming majority of Irish people, on the other hand, are very happy to be part of the EU and to have it as another barrier to British control in Ireland. Long live the Europeanisation and deanglicisation of Irish society. The Irish people have been on their knees to English culture and English power for far too long now. The EU has opened the oppressively anglocentric and inferiority-complex dominated mind of the average Irish person. Muscail do Mhisneach a Bhanba.

AlekSmart

nesf wrote: »

Meh.

Poor oul Nigel F's membership of the UKIP means that no matter what opinion he may express it will stick crossways in the throats of a great many people who consider themselves level-headed democratic supporters of democracy.....(Up to a point,of course)

I'd guess many of these people,although inwardly harbouring the same distaste for the new EU policy on regime change,just cannot bring themselves to express an opinion at one with Nige's.

So,mercifully (for M.Van Rompuy,Sig.Monti and the serried ranks of ex Goldman Sachs "advisers") these good dutiful liberal thinking people will continue to refrain from questioning aloud some of the most far reaching and quasi-democratic actions ever taken in a European context.

However Nigel's well made and largely enjoyable point-making (worth it alone for the look an Mr Van Rompuy's face ) pales into insignificance when compared with Prionsias DeRossa's lapse into lunacy re Kev Cardiff's quite obvious,er....."unsuitability" for the EU job....

anymore wrote: »

lets us take a recent irish example. Mr De Rossa has been actively intervening on behalf of Kevin Cardiff in the case of Mr Cardiffis appointment as EU auditor. the bulk of public opinion appears to be that this man should not be appointed and I presume Mr De Rossas constituents feel that way as well. Yet showing a brazen contempt for the feelings of his fellow citizens Mr De Rossa continues to act as if he were Mr Cardiff's lobbyist. So where is the democracy in all of this ? is it a surprise that some many view the EU with such contempt ?

Anymore,you're spot on....I could not believe P De R could misread the opinions of the general public on Mr Cardiff's nomination,quite inexplicable..?

However I tend to sit in the Shane Ross carriage on this,as I believe Kevin Cardiff's placement in the room with Brian Lenihan on the night of the Irish Bankers Longest Knives is absolutely central to the requirement to keep Mr Cardiff as far away from the trough as possible UNLESS and UNTIL he clears up some of the many points surrounding that fateful night.

Perhaps Nigo might consider a bit of moonlighting in Kildare St,given our native reluctance to ask questions to which we might not want answers....;)

Scofflaw

Rebelheart, Duke Leonal Felmet, give it up. I've deleted your posts, and further handbagging will result in bans/infractions.

moderately,
Scofflaw

RandomName2

bedrock#1 wrote: »

I think Farage is saying what we already knew - At some stage this was going to happen.

I'm afraid, when you think about it, it was never going to work.

A system where EU governments were prepared to mutually cook the books to add euro members, who, subsequently, had enough sovereignty to maintain a localised spiral of debt and/or economic bubbles that would eventually (and inevitably) have a knock-on effect on a single-currency union such as to threaten its entire viability - meaning a recourse to bailouts from other member states.

So we are left in the position where we endue an impossible set-up or have member states' budgets centralised in Brussels.

And what is the government? It is a grouping of elected members who form parties based on, and supported on the back of, promises and policies primarily concerning how much the public will be taxed, and what such taxes will be spent on.

If we lose that, what the hell is the point in our form of government at all?

bmaxi

Slozer wrote: »

I think the Germans paid fully for both wars, they had thier profitable industries taken away after the first war which in turn led to hyperinflation because they couldn't pay their bills. They were then ripe for the onset of nationalism and the rise of Hitler.

History is not in dispute here. What is in dispute is the portrayal of Germany as altruists.
Had the U.S. not poured billions into the economy in the post World War 2 era, where would they be today?

Scofflaw, I'd imagine Germans were much happier to be living in a "U.S.", protectorate, than the alternative and I doubt they would be the economic power they are today had this not been the case.

Boskowski

What would have been the alternative bmaxi? Turn us into 60 million potato farmers and keep us under the thumb?
I know up to today some people would have been happier with that but would that not have been the next timebomb ticking?
Instead we were given help and taught to learn from our mistakes and understand our special responsibilities that come with the burden of our terrible guilt. Not entirely unselfish I must add, someone needed to be first in the firing line if the Soviets were going to go bananas, but something I am grateful for all the same. I much rather grew up they way I did than being an under the thumb hateful potato farmer kid.
Surely after a couple of generations that would have been an injustice too, don't you think?

nesf

AlekSmart wrote: »

Poor oul Nigel F's membership of the UKIP means that no matter what opinion he may express it will stick crossways in the throats of a great many people who consider themselves level-headed democratic supporters of democracy.....(Up to a point,of course)

Um, just as I dislike hard left nonsense, hard right nonsense and xenophobia I dislike the kind of populist Euroscepticism that he represents. If I want to read Eurosceptic views I read the Economist, not Nigel Farage.

AlekSmart

nesf wrote: »

Um, just as I dislike hard left nonsense, hard right nonsense and xenophobia I dislike the kind of populist Euroscepticism that he represents. If I want to read Eurosceptic views I read the Economist, not Nigel Farage.

A sound solidly-based principle I should think ?

However,in assisting my own thinking patterns,I tend to attempt to focus more on what the "Plain People" are saying or muttering into their porridge.

Often,sentiments being expressed outside the tent can be at variance with those being spoken from within that same tent....I think perhaps you are on-the-money when you speak of "populist" and becoming more Popular by the minute ?

nesf

AlekSmart wrote: »

A sound solidly-based principle I should think ?

However,in assisting my own thinking patterns,I tend to attempt to focus more on what the "Plain People" are saying or muttering into their porridge.

Often,sentiments being expressed outside the tent can be at variance with those being spoken from within that same tent....I think perhaps you are on-the-money when you speak of "populist" and becoming more Popular by the minute ?

It's weird, the populace seems divided on this from what I've been seeing. Some people are becoming very anti-EU but more are going along with it fairly grimly but contently. There's still money in the ATMs etc and that's what matters.

View

AlekSmart wrote: »

A sound solidly-based principle I should think ?

However,in assisting my own thinking patterns,I tend to attempt to focus more on what the "Plain People" are saying or muttering into their porridge.

You do?

Fair enough, personally I prefer to focus on who (and what) they vote for.

Here, for instance, is one example of the "plain people" having their say - as you can see a very long way from a majority.

AlekSmart

View wrote: »

You do?

Fair enough, personally I prefer to focus on who (and what) they vote for.

Here, for instance, is one example of the "plain people" having their say - as you can see a very long way from a majority.

Indeed,don't really see the issue here at all.

Nigel Farrage got 17.4% of the valid poll,a reasonable peformance I suggest...and 8,410 voters felt confident enough to tick his box....Is that a problem ?

I would'nt vote UKIP myself were I a UK citizen,but that won't prevent me listening to Nigel F and either giving him a rousing Huzzah or an equally strident Raspberry....

His (Distasteful to many) UKIP credentials aside,I feel his points concerning the emergence of EU policy embracing proxy governance through unelected Technocratic means deserve to be addressed by his audience ?

nesf

AlekSmart wrote: »

His (Distasteful to many) UKIP credentials aside,I feel his points concerning the emergence of EU policy embracing proxy governance through unelected Technocratic means deserve to be addressed by his audience ?

Is it EU policy or is it EU Governments individually shoving the blame and responsibility onto some technocrats so the worst decisions can be made without political cost?

Ellis Dee

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed how much ado Farrage makes about this and that EU official being unelected (in the same way as the US Cabinet is, for that matter), but why doesn't he ever mention the fact that his own Head of State is likewise unelected?:rolleyes:

He ought to try and get his own house in order before he sets about sorting out a continent.:)

AlekSmart

nesf wrote: »

Is it EU policy or is it EU Governments individually shoving the blame and responsibility onto some technocrats so the worst decisions can be made without political cost?

It's a very difficult assesment to make I feel.

There is definitely a case to be made for a substantial reassessment of what full membership of an entity such as the EU entails.

I suspect in our own (Irish) minds we still believe the modern EU to be simply a larger EEC which we joined back in the Black n White days.

I believe we never really charted the development of the EU as an entity and for sure we are somewhat adrift now when it comes to recognizing just how the T's & C's of full membership apply to us.

It is,for us,totally unchartered waters,and fully capable of submerging and small craft who fail to maintain their trim.

Oddly enough,I think the UK is subliminally more in tune with a collapse scenario as it's political and social history has embraced such cataclysmic events and still managed to survive...perhaps our Nigel manages to sense this element too ..?

I think it's only now we are realizing just how much of an EXPERIMENT the EU model really was,and like all chemistry lab scenarios theres always the risk of catastrophic detonation of mismatched ingredients !!!!

bmaxi

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed how much ado Farrage makes about this and that EU official being unelected (in the same way as the US Cabinet is, for that matter), but why doesn't he ever mention the fact that his own Head of State is likewise unelected?:rolleyes:

He ought to try and get his own house in order before he sets about sorting out a continent.:)

His own head of state does not have any political function or power.

View

AlekSmart wrote: »

Indeed,don't really see the issue here at all.

Nigel Farrage got 17.4% of the valid poll,a reasonable peformance I suggest...and 8,410 voters felt confident enough to tick his box....Is that a problem ?

Well, Nigel is hardly the voice of the "plain people", if the "plain people" won't bother voting for him when given the chance to do so.

You do understand that in a democracy you need to have a majority to implement your ideas? As can be seen from election results at both domestic and EU level, Nigel (and like minded colleagues) fall well short of achieving one.

bmaxi

Boskowski wrote: »

What would have been the alternative bmaxi? Turn us into 60 million potato farmers and keep us under the thumb?
I know up to today some people would have been happier with that but would that not have been the next timebomb ticking?
Instead we were given help and taught to learn from our mistakes and understand our special responsibilities that come with the burden of our terrible guilt. Not entirely unselfish I must add, someone needed to be first in the firing line if the Soviets were going to go bananas, but something I am grateful for all the same. I much rather grew up they way I did than being an under the thumb hateful potato farmer kid.
Surely after a couple of generations that would have been an injustice too, don't you think?

I assume you are speaking from the German perspective.
As far as I'm concerned, exactly the right decision was made but due to Germany's actions many millions more were subjected to the fate which could have befallen you, ask any Pole or Czech or Hungarian.
One lesson you failed to learn is humility, that but for the benevolence of others, whatever the agenda, things could look an awful lot worse today.
You should keep that in mind when dealing with those less fortunate.

View

AlekSmart wrote: »

It's a very difficult assesment to make I feel.

It is a very easy assessment to make.

Either the members of the governments of the individual member states concerned have attained office in accordance with the provisions of the constitutions of the individual member states or they haven't? Which is it?

AlekSmart

View wrote: »

Well, Nigel is hardly the voice of the "plain people", if the "plain people" won't bother voting for him when given the chance to do so.

You do understand that in a democracy you need to have a majority to implement your ideas? As can be seen from election results at both domestic and EU level, Nigel (and like minded colleagues) fall well short of achieving one.

Yup,democracy works reasonably well all things being said..?

17.4% would seem to me to be a reasonable number of Plain People to allow him a voice,or is there some baseline which precludes this ?

It's quite clear to me,listening to him,that Nigel F is speaking his mind and offering an opinion which reflects his support base...is this undemocratic in some way ?

View

AlekSmart wrote: »

Yup,democracy works reasonably well all things being said..?

17.4% would seem to me to be a reasonable number of Plain People to allow him a voice,or is there some baseline which precludes this ?

We are all allowed to have a voice - to be an elected representative of the plain people (i.e. their elected voice) involves getting over the baseline of being elected by them though.

AlekSmart wrote: »

It's quite clear to me,listening to him,that Nigel F is speaking his mind and offering an opinion which reflects his support base... is this undemocratic in some way ?

Not at all, but it is the democratic decisions of the majority are what counts in a parliament at the end of the day and Nigel is 1 voice out of 736, so even together with all his party colleagues in the EP, he falls well short of a democratic majority.

Batsy

weldoninhio wrote: »

Depending how the economy goes in the UK, you might not get the chance to vote. Much like in Italy and Greece. Your european overlords will put a team of economists in charge.

No, they won't. We don't have the euro and therefore are able to control our own economy.

Batsy

Boskowski wrote: »

I know this is really not the level a discussion should be held at but it's obvious that there is still a good few British voices firmly living in the past. I mean look at where you get off the train coming from Paris through the Euro tunnel, bloody Waterloo Station. They just can't help themselves.

If that's the level we want to have this discussion at, that is...

And if you get a train to Paris you may find yourself disembarking at Austerlitz Station, named after the 1805 battle in which Napoleon's army crushed the Third Coalition.

And Dublin's main thoroughfare is O'Connell Street, named after the man who campaigned for Catholic emancipation in the the early 1800s.

Batsy

Rebelheart wrote: »

Isn't Ireland (and the other small nations of Europe) so ineffably fortunate to have such heroic people as Mr Farage defending her interests? It gladdens my little heart that in 2011 the defenders of Irish sovereignty are the spiritual and political inheritors of Humphrey Gilbert, Edmund Spenser, Oliver Cromwell, The Famine Queen and Margaret Thatcher.

What did Margaret Thatcher ever do that was detrimental to the Irish people?

Without the EU Ireland would still be the sorry anglocentric, myopic, Brit-copying, mé féiner shíthole the British made it and left us with in 1922, tied to the wannabe world power of Britain and with a chip on its shoulder about the rise of the EU.

Without the euro currency Ireland's economy would still be booming.

If the Irish government had actually listened to people like Nigel Farage - who has spent years warning people about the dangers of the euro - then you would have kept the punt and your economy would still be booming.

Instead you dismiss people like Farage, wrongly calling him far right and labelling him a xenophobic bigot (who actually has an Italian wife) and pursue a more pro-EU path - and then you end up suffering as a consequence.

Batsy

AlekSmart wrote: »

His (Distasteful to many) UKIP credentials aside,I feel his points concerning the emergence of EU policy embracing proxy governance through unelected Technocratic means deserve to be addressed by his audience ?

"Distasteful" only to these goons who don't want Britain to be an independent, sovereign, wealthy nation and instead want their country to be a mere province (or, to be more precise, a collection of provinces) in a German dominated EU that cares nothing about Britain.

UKIP are "distateful" to those who want Britain to be amongst the 13% of the world's countries which are a part of the inward-looking EU, rather than be a part of the 87% of the world's nations who are outside the EU and therefore more outward-looking and global.

UKIP get my vote at EU Elections (and in those elections they are very popular, getting more votes than any other party other than the Conservatives in the 2009 EU Election) and I'm seriously considering voting for them in the 2015 General Election.