Garda Cars... 300k

pa990

http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/concerns-as-garda-vehicles-not-replaced-174768.html

any thoughts on this?

personally the thought of keeping a car with 300,000km on the road is a joke. I know of cars with circa 200k that are complete money pits

deadwood

We've had the same car for 300k+.

2 engines, 3 gearboxes, every panel replaced, some twice. Lights replaced annually.

Great car.

pa990

deadwood wrote: »

We've had the same car for 300k+.

2 engines, 3 gearboxes, every panel replaced, some twice. Lights replaced annually.

Great car.

2 engines and only 3 gearboxs... i thought you only got a new engine after 4 gearbox's and 12 clutch's

Simtech

Good to know the government aren't cutting frontline services :eek::rolleyes:

cursai

deadwood wrote: »

We've had the same car for 300k+.

2 engines, 3 gearboxes, every panel replaced, some twice. Lights replaced annually.

Great car.

I don't think your car has been driving 24/7 365 through various drivers and various conditions.

source

cursai wrote: »

I don't think your car has been driving 24/7 365 through various drivers and various conditions.

I think he's talking about a patrol car.

Potential-Monke

Bring in a mandatory twice a year NCT for the fleet and i'll drive it no matter what mileage is on it.

cursai

source wrote: »

I think he's talking about a patrol car.

Couldnt be sure hes not covered to drive it. district would have taken it off the road. Unless hes in cavan. All sorts of mad stuff happening there.

pa990

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Bring in a mandatory twice a year NCT for the fleet and i'll drive it no matter what mileage is on it.

that means nothing

Heres the procedure
Car under goes NCT
Passes NCT-> No Cert issued, Printout issued
Fails NCT -> No Cert Issued, Printout issued detailing faults -> No further action *

* the car does not need to resit an NCT, the faults just need to be fixed, (but are they ???)
FACT



i was shocked when i discovered this

deadwood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbha4XclSMU

Sheeeeesh. The txt generation. If it doesn't have an emoticon. . .

Delancey

Perhaps I'm imagining it but I thought that the 300,000 km rule came from the manufacturers refusal to ' stand over ' a vehicle with 300 k + on it ?

Zambia

deadwood wrote: »

We've had the same car for 300k+.

2 engines, 3 gearboxes, every panel replaced, some twice. Lights replaced annually.

Great car.

Sounds like the whole car has been replaced except the speedo.

meathstevie

It's a bit like the spade that's been in the family for three generations. The handle has been replaced 11 times and the blade 4 times.

Delancey

It reminds me of Admiral Nelson's flagship , the Victory , which is still
' preserved ' - apparently less than 2% of it is genuine !!

deadwood

To supplement the motorcycle fleet, mountain bikes will now be fitted with these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCvGGuN8a9k

Bosh

Garda Management today launched a new transport policy, one car per division...



It is considered sufficient as there will be a maximum of 10 members per division by 2014.

blue light

Our main patrol car has 281,000km on it... 4 engines ne bumpers doors failed the NCT and thats our main car... 20,000km and its off the road and no replacements coming, well be serving the community from a transit van and 2 push bikes!!!
were a unit of 9 and this is not easy, lost main mondeo last mat due to milage and now were driving the 1.4 focus as a main car.... well untill another month or so and then thats gone!!!!!

governement don't care :mad:

flyingsnail

blue light wrote: »

Our main patrol car has 281,000km on it... 4 engines ne bumpers doors failed the NCT and thats our main car... 20,000km and its off the road and no replacements coming, well be serving the community from a transit van and 2 push bikes!!!
were a unit of 9 and this is not easy, lost main mondeo last mat due to milage and now were driving the 1.4 focus as a main car.... well untill another month or so and then thats gone!!!!!

governement don't care :mad:

So I have to admit that I know nothing about garda fleet management policy but I have to ask are these cars getting the servicing and attention that they need from day one. I appreciate that these cars can be on the road 24 / 7, often in demanding conditions but averaging 70k per engine seems to be a ridiculously low. Are cars serviced at mileage or time based intervals?

Hooch

flyingsnail wrote: »

So I have to admit that I know nothing about garda fleet management policy but I have to ask are these cars getting the servicing and attention that they need from day one. I appreciate that these cars can be on the road 24 / 7, often in demanding conditions but averaging 70k per engine seems to be a ridiculously low. Are cars serviced at mileage or time based intervals?

I have never heard of a car needing 4 engines.......EVER in all my service. Yes cars are driven and driven hard but they are always serviced before time with safety checks done in-between.

Also there are 80 new Toyotas being marked up at present and there is a tender on eTenders for another 100 or so for this year (tender ending March 1st) so thats 180 cars this year. Still isn't enough but it will go along way so in fairness to management they are trying their best with the limited resources they have.

MugMugs

blue light wrote: »

Our main patrol car has 281,000km on it... 4 engines ne bumpers doors failed the NCT and thats our main car... 20,000km and its off the road and no replacements coming, well be serving the community from a transit van and 2 push bikes!!!
were a unit of 9 and this is not easy, lost main mondeo last mat due to milage and now were driving the 1.4 focus as a main car.... well untill another month or so and then thats gone!!!!!

governement don't care :mad:

There's nothing ye can do. When the day comes that you're expected to patrol in a Yaris or indeed, left without a vehicle merely tell the victim you were late due to their governments refusal to supply adequate equipment to a front line service.

It's an utter disgrace that something isn't being done about this and that members safety is being risked in vehicles with monstrous mileage and potentially vehicles that have failed the national car test.

/rant

POGAN

Hooch wrote: »

flyingsnail wrote: »

So I have to admit that I know nothing about garda fleet management policy but I have to ask are these cars getting the servicing and attention that they need from day one. I appreciate that these cars can be on the road 24 / 7, often in demanding conditions but averaging 70k per engine seems to be a ridiculously low. Are cars serviced at mileage or time based intervals?

I have never heard of a car needing 4 engines.......EVER in all my service. Yes cars are driven and driven hard but they are always serviced before time with safety checks done in-between.

Also there are 80 new Toyotas being marked up at present and there is a tender on eTenders for another 100 or so for this year (tender ending March 1st) so thats 180 cars this year. Still isn't enough but it will go along way so in fairness to management they are trying their best with the limited resources they have.

So new tender will have for cars this year? Bout 130 cars on that tender

goldie fish

The last tender was in 2008. What was introduced since have been special "one off" orders, such as for the Avensis and Izusus. There was a PIN recently but nothing since. I suppose like everything, they have to be sure the finance is there first.

POGAN

goldie fish wrote: »

The last tender was in 2008. What was introduced since have been special "one off" orders, such as for the Avensis and Izusus. There was a PIN recently but nothing since. I suppose like everything, they have to be sure the finance is there first.

Am wrong in saying Toyota won the tender in 2010 for for new cars last year and this year... I know avensis were bad buy

miju

oh the rants I could have on this thread but past experience has thought me to keep schtum :-)

source

POGAN wrote: »

goldie fish wrote: »

The last tender was in 2008. What was introduced since have been special "one off" orders, such as for the Avensis and Izusus. There was a PIN recently but nothing since. I suppose like everything, they have to be sure the finance is there first.

Am wrong in saying Toyota won the tender in 2010 for for new cars last year and this year... I know avensis were bad buy

That's right they did. And the tender was for factory police specials not retrofitted vehicles. AGS chose the avensis which then arrived as plain white standard cars to be retrofitted.

Complete joke, the mondeo and insignia might have been more expensive but that's because the cars were true factory police specials.

POGAN

Awful situation that super have to go to the press

Just one squad car for our Garda traffic corps
'Crisis is affecting on our operational capabilities ... it's hugely frustrating' says top Garda

By BILL BROWNE
Thursday February 02 2012
A SENIOR north Cork garda has lashed out at what he described as the "farcical" lack of transport available for locally based members of the garda traffic corps.
Superintendent Pat Mccarthy said the situation had reached crisis point, with almost half of the Mallow based fleet of garda vehicles currently out of commission.
"We are facing a serious problem due to the lack of serviceable transport that we have at our disposal. Four of our fleet of ten vehicles have been decommissioned as they have reached the end of their life but have not been replaced," said Supt Mccarthy.
"This week for example I have a traffic corps unit with two sergeants,10 gardai and only one car between them. I cannot begin to tell you how frustrating that is. There is no doubt but the situation has reached crisis point and is having an effect on our operational capabilities," he added.
A clearly concerned Superintendent Mccarthy said that he has tried every possible avenue available to him in a desperate bid to have the decommissioned vehicles replaced.
"I have approached senior management within the gardai and politicians in order to resolve the situation, but to no avail. To be perfectly honest, it is a hugely frustrating situation for us. There are times when I feel I am banging my head against a brick wall," he said.
"Even at full strength our fleet was under pressure. We need all of the cars that we can get and I will continue to do all within my power to ensure that the missing vehicles are replaced," he added.
Supt Mccarthy said that the lack of a 4x4 vehicle in Mallow is also hampering operational capability, with gardai being forced, in the past, to rely on the Civil Defence for assistance.
"That is an area of obvious concern for us, particularly given the fact that Met Eireann has predicted that we are in for a cold spell of weather. During the cold snap last year we had no option but to call on the Civil Defence for help," he said.
"That was a farcical situation and one that we do not wish to see repeated in the future," he added. GARDAI have reported an alarming increase in burglaries across the Mallow district — with thieves deliberately targeting homes in search of cash and jewellery.
There have been 15 burglaries in the Mallow area during January, a marked increase on 2010.
Superintendent Pat Mccarthy said he believed that one of the key reasons behind the increase was the recession, with some people willing to go to any lengths to make ends meet.
"There is no doubt but that many of these burglaries have been carried out by travelling gangs of opportunist thieves, some of whom are based in Cork City, some of whom come from the Mallow area," said Supt Mccarthy.
"I believe the recession is a definite underlying factor that has to be considered. In better times we would not have had this scale of a problem," he added.
"Many people who would have lost their jobs are turning to increasingly desperate measures in order to get money."
He urged householders to beef up home security measures to ensure that they do not become another statistic.
"Cash and jewellery should be well hidden and out of view. All windows and doors should be properly secured and an alarm installed," he said.
"We are also finding that thieves are striking when they know a house is empty for a period of time; for example, if the owners are at work or at a family function such as a wedding or even a funeral.
"If people know they are going to be away they should ask a neighbour or friend to keep and eye on their house."
He was keen to point out that incidents of theft outside the homes were also a major concern to gardai. "These could include thefts from parked cars, and the theft of machinery and fuel from farmyards, building sites and depots. Again we would urge people to review their security and take whatever precautions are needed," he added.

pa990

and i'm guessing that if the remaining 6 cars were PSV'd, they might be put off the road as well.

POGAN

pa990 wrote: »

and i'm guessing that if the remaining 6 cars were PSV'd, they might be put off the road as well.

Only 1 new 11 reg in them 6

Manic Moran

Delancey wrote: »

It reminds me of Admiral Nelson's flagship , the Victory , which is still
' preserved ' - apparently less than 2% of it is genuine !!

The ship which started it all was Theseus'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

cursai

I get the Trigger brush joke now.:pac:
Our car has......299590km left on it. We get a replacement car next week. We're told new car is eight weeks away. I'm sure that'll be given to someone else who's got pull.

POGAN

cursai wrote: »

I get the Trigger brush joke now.:pac:
Our car has......299590km left on it. We get a replacement car next week. Second. We're told new car is eight weeks away. I'm sure that'll be given to someone else who's got pulled.

You will get lovely traffic car don't worry:-)

cursai

POGAN wrote: »

You will get lovely traffic car don't worry:-)

mmmm. dodgey clutch and smell of chips from seats. Can't wait.

POGAN

cursai wrote: »

POGAN wrote: »

You will get lovely traffic car don't worry:-)

mmmm. dodgey clutch and smell of chips from seats. Can't wait.

Better than new avenais ..... Bang head gasket at 40k :-)

Mmm chips sound nice

Mister Jingles

cursai wrote: »

mmmm. dodgey clutch and smell of chips from seats. Can't wait.

Are all the new Traffic Cars going to be Toyota Avensis ?

bfocusd

is it 300k miles or kilometers? the article clashes several times.

it says 300,000 miles then further down it says 300,000km and then 300,000 kilometers, then 299,999 miles..

wish they would make there mind up!

cursai

Mister Jingles wrote: »

Are all the new Traffic Cars going to be Toyota Avensis ?

From what I hear ALL cars will be. have no experience with them though. Are they any good. Any criticisms. Excluding power and speed of course.

POGAN

cursai wrote: »

Mister Jingles wrote: »

Are all the new Traffic Cars going to be Toyota Avensis ?

From what I hear ALL cars will be. have no experience with them though. Are they any good. Any criticisms. Excluding power and speed of course.

New tender out at the moment for new cars on the etender site.

There 153 11 reg avenais. There currently 80 12 regs in wilkar being kitted out

See what the tender brings

audidiesel

cursai wrote: »

From what I hear ALL cars will be. have no experience with them though. Are they any good. Any criticisms. Excluding power and speed of course.

they arent too bad i suppose. an awful lot better than the older model avensis anyways.

but not nearly as good as the old mondeos. the lights are excellant though

meathstevie

Just consider yourselves lucky you're not getting the 1.6d Ford Focus a lot of folk accross the Irish Sea are using now....

Mister Jingles

meathstevie wrote: »

Just consider yourselves lucky you're not getting the 1.6d Ford Focus a lot of folk accross the Irish Sea are using now....

Already in use here.....

MarkR

What do they have to do to the avensis' to make them to police standard as a matter of interest? Is it just the addition of lights / and markings with the computer / communication equipment?

source

MarkR wrote: »

What do they have to do to the avensis' to make them to police standard as a matter of interest? Is it just the addition of lights / and markings with the computer / communication equipment?

Lights, marking, radio, and electrics. Apart from that it's the same car you buy in Toyota dealer.

sgthighway

You would imagine the Government who pretty much own the banks could use cars that are been seized by the banks. Dept of Justice could pay the Banks something for the cars. Also have a look to see what CAB have. They might be unmarked but its better than nothing.

studdlymurphy

blue light wrote: »

Our main patrol car has 281,000km on it... 4 engines ne bumpers doors failed the NCT and thats our main car... 20,000km and its off the road and no replacements coming, well be serving the community from a transit van and 2 push bikes!!!
were a unit of 9 and this is not easy, lost main mondeo last mat due to milage and now were driving the 1.4 focus as a main car.... well untill another month or so and then thats gone!!!!!

governement don't care :mad:

My car has 251k Miles not Kilometers on it with the original engine and it gets driven hard. It also has th eoriginal gearbox and just last year I replaced the clutch and flywheel as th efly wheel was dodgy. If a car is properly maintained and not driven into the ground it wil last a long time with minimum maintainance.
I bet the guards who wrecked an engine every 70,000 kilometers in a car they dont own dont wreck the engines in their own cars.

deandean

It's not as if they are expensive. A bulk order with Toyota these days would see those cars being delivered for fairly small money. And they probably have some VAT/VRT avoidance issue.

What would 100 petrol cars cost? 2.5 mil on the road? So cost of recent royal visit (just for comparison - I welcomed it) might put 1000 cars on the road.

source

studdlymurphy wrote: »

blue light wrote: »

Our main patrol car has 281,000km on it... 4 engines ne bumpers doors failed the NCT and thats our main car... 20,000km and its off the road and no replacements coming, well be serving the community from a transit van and 2 push bikes!!!
were a unit of 9 and this is not easy, lost main mondeo last mat due to milage and now were driving the 1.4 focus as a main car.... well untill another month or so and then thats gone!!!!!

governement don't care :mad:

My car has 251k Miles not Kilometers on it with the original engine and it gets driven hard. It also has th eoriginal gearbox and just last year I replaced the clutch and flywheel as th efly wheel was dodgy. If a car is properly maintained and not driven into the ground it wil last a long time with minimum maintainance.
I bet the guards who wrecked an engine every 70,000 kilometers in a car they dont own dont wreck the engines in their own cars.

The difference between your car and a Garda car is the Garda car is driven by 3 different drivers each day, for 8 hours each. Most Garda cars are only off the road for approx 3 hours each day.

The other issue is that car manufacturers won't stand over a car once it reaches 300k km. they have refused to work on cars that have reached the limit as they cannot guarantee the safety of cars driven so much each day past that.

You're also talking about cars that are meant to take pursuit after joyriders and thieves. Unless it is 100% then it shouldn't be doing the job.

luckyfrank

I was under the impression that police cars were 'suped' up, surly they'd have to be faster than alot of production modals

pa990

luckyfrank wrote: »

I was under the impression that police cars were 'suped' up, surly they'd have to be faster than alot of production modals

they are probably slower than a similar family car as they have had the shíte driven out of them on a daily basis

FGR

luckyfrank wrote: »

I was under the impression that police cars were 'suped' up, surly they'd have to be faster than alot of production modals

Unfortunately the powers that be in this country decided to opt out of this common sense approach.

"This is Ireland. Ah sure we don't have any real traffic crime here. Sure why would we bother with proper police spec cars like they have in every other developed country?"

source

ForegoneReality wrote: »

luckyfrank wrote: »

I was under the impression that police cars were 'suped' up, surly they'd have to be faster than alot of production modals

Unfortunately the powers that be in this country decided to opt out of this common sense approach.

"This is Ireland. Ah sure we don't have any real traffic crime here. Sure why would we bother with proper police spec cars like they have in every other developed country?"

The only proper police cars in the country are the RSU volvos, try were built as police cars by Volvo, they are bloody powerful 4 wheel drive and equipped for the job they do when they left the factory.

deadwood

source wrote: »

The only proper police cars in the country are the RSU volvos, try were built as police cars by Volvo, they are bloody powerful 4 wheel drive and equipped for the job they do when they left the factory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJZEK4JP0k