if nudity is illegal, shouldn't clothes be provided for everyone?

Helix

Happened across an article earlier which said that a ban on nude hiking has been upheld in Switzerland based on public decency laws, which got me thinking about how ridiculous the whole idea that nudity is something that can be legislated against is.

We're all born stark bollock nekkid, we use clothes to keep us protected and warm, but how in the hell should it be illegal to choose to walk around without them, should you so wish?

It's the 21st century now FFS, are we still so backward that the thought of seeing naked people going about their business offends us that much?

My next, somewhat unwarranted, jump in logic is that if the various world governments rule that it is illegal not to wear any clothes, shouldn't they then be obliged to make free clothing available? After all, if someone can't afford to buy clothes, how can they be expected to wear them? And if it's ruled illegal to be naked in public, surely provisions must be made to have free clothes available for everyone, no?

Now, back to work.

BBDBB

I fought the law

http://loscuatroojos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/naked-man-cops.jpg

biko

Nudity isn't illegal, you're just required to wear clothes in civil society.

TheZohanS

If driving without insurance is illegal shouldn't free insurance be provided for everyone?

Helix

biko wrote: »

Nudity isn't illegal, you're just required to wear clothes in civil society.

public nudity is against the law

cursai

Hence the abundance of shrubs and foliage in ireland. Think bailing twine.

Helix

TheZohan wrote: »

If driving without insurance is illegal shouldn't free insurance be provided for everyone?

nope, because owning a car is a choice

TheZohanS

Helix wrote: »

nope, because owning a car is a choice

So is going out in public.

Helix

TheZohan wrote: »

So is going out in public.

no it's not, it's necessary for healthy life

JeffK88

Kill a sheep and use the wool .for a jumper . Skin a cow use the skin for nice pair of leather chaps .. Kill a squirrel use as a hat and finally . kill two rabbits and a lovely pair of slippers Stick the hands up a cows arse for the warmt .. now no excuse to be naked :P

smcgiff

I cross Mary harney on the odd occasion, so I vote we keep things as they are

Logical Fallacy

OP was caught nude near the park again.

Fight the ****ing power OP.

PseudoFamous

Helix wrote: »

My next, somewhat unwarranted, jump in logic is that if the various world governments rule that it is illegal not to wear any clothes, shouldn't they then be obliged to make free clothing available? After all, if someone can't afford to buy clothes, how can they be expected to wear them? And if it's ruled illegal to be naked in public, surely provisions must be made to have free clothes available for everyone, no?

If you're so against buying clothes, just steal some binbags and wear them.

Da Bounca

Helix wrote: »

if someone can't afford to buy clothes, how can they be expected to wear them? And if it's ruled illegal to be naked in public, surely provisions must be made to have free clothes available for everyone, no?

I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a scheme for funded clothing in place in most countries. Also, don't the likes of Salvation Army and that provide clothing to the needy?

William_Hicley

I see your argument but, lets be honest, 99% of us are not very attractive with no cloathes on. I dont wanna be going about my day to day buisness looking at auld wans big hairy bushes all day. Just sayin.

TheZohanS

Helix wrote: »

no it's not, it's necessary for healthy life

So is a car if you don't have the use of your legs are you don't live near a shop.

number10a

Right, so welcome to Ireland. We have this thing for quite some time now called the Social Protection system. It ensures that everyone who lives here has some money. We also have this fine establishment known as Penneys. Put the two together and what do you get??? Clothes!!

Helix

TheZohan wrote: »

So is a car if you don't have the use of your legs are you don't live near a shop.

a car is in no way necessary for a healthy life

biko

biko wrote: »

Nudity isn't illegal, you're just required to wear clothes in civil society.

Yeah, that's not true.

wonderfulname

OP - What did you think social welfare was for?

TheZohanS

Helix wrote: »

a car is in no way necessary for a healthy life

Why do you hate people with disabilities so much?

Helix

wonderfulname wrote: »

OP - What did you think social welfare was for?

to give you enough money to survive. clothes dont fall into that category for the majority of the year given the irish climate

flutterflye

I think the idea of nudity in public being against the law absolutely stupid tbh, for all the reasons given in the op.

There is nothing wrong with nudity at all.
Fair enough, we don't really want to see all the flab and ugly bits hanging out while we are trying to buy some milk from tesco, but it's not 'wrong'.

People should be allowed to be naked in public if they so wish imo.

Is it like how muslim women are supposed to cover up so that other men than their husbands don't get ideas?
Would it lead to more rapes?

What is the reason behind it being illegal?
I honestly cannot figure it out.

effluent

Helix wrote: »

Happened across an article earlier which said that a ban on nude hiking has been upheld in Switzerland based on public decency laws, which got me thinking about how ridiculous the whole idea that nudity is something that can be legislated against is.

We're all born stark bollock nekkid, we use clothes to keep us protected and warm, but how in the hell should it be illegal to choose to walk around without them, should you so wish?

It's the 21st century now FFS, are we still so backward that the thought of seeing naked people going about their business offends us that much?

My next, somewhat unwarranted, jump in logic is that if the various world governments rule that it is illegal not to wear any clothes, shouldn't they then be obliged to make free clothing available? After all, if someone can't afford to buy clothes, how can they be expected to wear them? And if it's ruled illegal to be naked in public, surely provisions must be made to have free clothes available for everyone, no?

Now, back to work.

I thought that was the point of the FCA

wonderfulname

Helix wrote: »

to give you enough money to survive. clothes dont fall into that category for the majority of the year given the irish climate

No, to provide you with a certain standard of living, we could severely reduce it if people just had to "survive" on it. After all, you don't need electricity/transport/means of communication/any food other than 4stone sacks of spuds/... I hate to break it to you but it includes clothing.

Cill Dara Abu

TheZohan wrote: »

Why do you hate people with disabilities so much?

How the hell you posting with a closed account?

shannon_tek

Who made it compulsory that the penis, boobs and vagina were both bad words and indecent in society that while you may have everything else exposed these parts are private. What the.....

Whos to say i wont bring you to court for exposing you finger in front of my children or me. how dar you have naked fingers put a table cloth or something on them for god sake . this is the 21st maaaaaaannn!:D:p:):rolleyes::o:P:cool::D

TheZohanS

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

How the hell you posting with a closed account?

It's like in the movie Ghost, I've closed it but obviously I must still have work left to do on Boards before I can pass on...a sort of limbo if you will...I tried walking towards the light but that didn't work...

corktina

will someone please think of the chilblains?

ejmaztec

Helix wrote: »

a car is in no way necessary for a healthy life

It is if you're driving through the desert.

ejmaztec

TheZohan wrote: »

It's like in the movie Ghost, I've closed it but obviously I must still have work left to do on Boards before I can pass on...a sort of limbo if you will...I tried walking towards the light but that didn't work...

When's it going to be "Account Cllosed"?:D

IvySlayer

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

How the hell you posting with a closed account?

If you subscribe you put whatever you want under your name.

John Doe1

If rape is illegal shouldnt sex be given to everyone?

TheZohanS

John Doe1 wrote: »

If rape is illegal shouldnt sex be given to everyone?

I think that's part of the problem with rape John Doe, a lot of peeps don't want to be given the sex.

John Doe1

TheZohan wrote: »

I think that's part of the problem with rape John Doe, a lot of peeps don't want to be given the sex.

I didnt think that through sorry studying for 5 hours straight does that:D

saa

Helix wrote: »

to give you enough money to survive. clothes dont fall into that category for the majority of the year given the irish climate

#social welfare - but they do the CWO will provide a one off payment for clothing if you can't afford, social welfare funds more than survival but after the next few budgets I don't know if that will be the case :rolleyes:

saywhatyousee

I like were the thread is going naked nightclubs for all!!!

Teyla Emmagan

Too feckin cold in this country for the question to be anything other than hypothetical.

We should make young fellas walking around with their pinky bare chests out and their tshirts tucked into their waistbands illegal though, that would be great.

shannon_tek

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

How the hell you posting with a closed account?

Its an 'i' Cill Dara. So it was never really closed.

CIosed



Think its time to join the que and wear the specks

Tar.Aldarion

TheZohan wrote: »

So is going out in public.

you can be deemed in public in your own home and prosecuted.


silly law anyway.

psychward

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

you can be deemed in public in your own home and prosecuted.

wtf surely you can be naked at home ????

Although what happens if you open the door to some pesky cold callers/Tv License Inspector while starkers ? Surely they were asking for it ?

Helix

psychward wrote: »

wtf surely you can be naked at home ????

Although what happens if you open the door to some pesky cold callers/Tv License Inspector while starkers ? Surely they were asking for it ?

you can be done for being naked in your home if its possible for someone to see in. even if theyre stand up there with their face to the window, you're breaking the law

i think my, odd, point was that it's such a bizarre law and nobody seems in the least bit concerned at why it's still there in this day and age

it's a bit of an unhealthy mentality that many people carry around that naked = sex/pervert/etc

Helix

wonderfulname wrote: »

No, to provide you with a certain standard of living, we could severely reduce it if people just had to "survive" on it.

well that's an argument for another day, but imo the social welfare should offer nothing more than the ability to survive, anything else is taking the pìss and hardly conducive to getting people back to work

Tar.Aldarion

psychward wrote: »

wtf surely you can be naked at home ????

Although what happens if you open the door to some pesky cold callers/Tv License Inspector while starkers ? Surely they were asking for it ?

well if somebody sees you from outside etc you can be deemed breaking the law

AnamGlas

William_Hicley wrote: »

I see your argument but, lets be honest, 99% of us are not very attractive with no cloathes on. I dont wanna be going about my day to day buisness looking at auld wans big hairy bushes all day. Just sayin.

WE ARE THE 1%

Helix

William_Hicley wrote: »

I see your argument but, lets be honest, 99% of us are not very attractive with no cloathes on. I dont wanna be going about my day to day buisness looking at auld wans big hairy bushes all day. Just sayin.

you wouldnt even think twice about it if it was a relatively normal occurance, which it could be if it wasnt against the law

psychward

Helix wrote: »

you wouldnt even think twice about it if it was a relatively normal occurance, which it could be if it wasnt against the law

not with our climate

Helix

psychward wrote: »

not with our climate

the irish climate is quite mild

psychward

Helix wrote: »

the irish climate is quite mild

well it's legal to wear shorts but you won't find people even wearing those for most of the year. if you don't catch your death of cold in Ireland the dampness will wear you down instead.

shannon_tek

psychward wrote: »

well it's legal to wear shorts but you won't find people even wearing those for most of the year. if you don't catch your death of cold in Ireland the dampness will wear you down instead.

You joking me . they love their shorts. pissing rain tshirt and shorts off down the road. bloody mad people. :pac:

Helix

psychward wrote: »

if you don't catch your death of cold in Ireland

bloody hell you'd want to try living somewhere that's ACTUALLY cold. you could almost wear a tshirt year round in ireland compared to even toronto ffs, and it doesn't even get cold cold here