Anyone else seen this ignorant príck around Dublin?

ED E

Hey all

Today is the second day I've seen this twat. Yesterday he dove from the path at the corner of Stephens Green inches in front of a bus then in front of me(going in the other direction towards leeson) bunny hopped onto the median, over to the far side and across two lanes of traffic going towards Fenian St(I think it is). All at full pace. Today I saw him at the other end, came flying out in front of a taxi passing grafton and nearly swiping a ped then bombed down to the lights at the top of Dawson where he crossed onto the path in front of the green just in front of another taxi. Again going flat out.

<snip>I wont mention until the mods ok it(mods?). I'll be sending a complaint to his employers for all the good that it'll do. Just wondering has this moron been at it long, I've seen couriers doing risky things before, but never like this.

ED-E

check_six

I may be playing devil's advocate here a bit, but was there an actual trail of destruction left behind this punter? Or a trail of near misses? Or maybe just a trail of surprised looks?

There is a certain way of travelling around town that will allow you to get about very quickly, but you must balance this with safety (mainly of yourself, but others can be included here too). If a courier wipes out, his working day is done, and if his bike or body are broken up he could be off the road for a while. Off the road means no money. If this fella is taking too many risks he will come a cropper and soon. If the risks are more calculated and practiced maybe the chance of crashing is a bit less than you perceived it to be.

In either case, I don't think it is good practice to be scaring the bejasus out of bystanders, and I couldn't approve this fellow's actions.

By way of fixie rider terror balance, the other day I saw a no-good hipster tearing along on their fixie from Percy Place towards Northumberland Road. I am not that au fait with all the skills involved in riding one of these bikes, and, as it turned out, neither was the no-good hipster.

As he came to the junction there was little room for him to slow down/backpedal/whatever-the-hell-they-do so he sort of lurched out into the middle of traffic trying to pick a route across. He came to an abrupt halt with the bike taking a jump out from under him. Cars in both directions had hauled on the anchors at this point and were beeping at the no-good hipster.

The no-good hipster tried to extract himself from the situation with as much grace as possible as someone who has just completely lost control of their vehicle and juddered into the middle of a busy road at rush hour. Unfortunately, even this went wrong and the no-good hipster fell off his pedals and crunched into his crossbar forcefully. He finally managed to wheel off the road and down a side alley looking slightly sorer and maybe a little wiser for the experience.

kumate_champ07

check_six wrote: »

I may be playing devil's advocate here a bit, but was there an actual trail of destruction left behind this punter? Or a trail of near misses? Or maybe just a trail of surprised looks?

There is a certain way of travelling around town that will allow you to get about very quickly, but you must balance this with safety (mainly of yourself, but others can be included here too). If a courier wipes out, his working day is done, and if his bike or body are broken up he could be off the road for a while. Off the road means no money. If this fella is taking too many risks he will come a cropper and soon. If the risks are more calculated and practiced maybe the chance of crashing is a bit less than you perceived it to be.

In either case, I don't think it is good practice to be scaring the bejasus out of bystanders, and I couldn't approve this fellow's actions.

By way of fixie rider terror balance, the other day I saw a no-good hipster tearing along on their fixie from Percy Place towards Northumberland Road. I am not that au fait with all the skills involved in riding one of these bikes, and, as it turned out, neither was the no-good hipster.

As he came to the junction there was little room for him to slow down/backpedal/whatever-the-hell-they-do so he sort of lurched out into the middle of traffic trying to pick a route across. He came to an abrupt halt with the bike taking a jump out from under him. Cars in both directions had hauled on the anchors at this point and were beeping at the no-good hipster.

The no-good hipster tried to extract himself from the situation with as much grace as possible as someone who has just completely lost control of their vehicle and juddered into the middle of a busy road at rush hour. Unfortunately, even this went wrong and the no-good hipster fell off his pedals and crunched into his crossbar forcefully. He finally managed to wheel off the road and down a side alley looking slightly sorer and maybe a little wiser for the experience.

does this not apply to bus drivers,taxis,pizza delivery guys, motorbike couriers etc? why is it that bicycle couriers think they have the right to break all the rules of the road? you dont see motorbike couriers breaking red lights into oncoming traffic.

Beasty

ED E wrote: »

I wont mention until the mods ok it(mods?)

No you cannot include anything that may help identify the individual here. Contacting his employer is the best approach

check_six

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

you dont see motorbike couriers breaking red lights into oncoming traffic.

I did once see a motorbike courier drive straight at a guard who was trying to flag them down and stop other traffic. The guard leaped out of the way and the biker continued on his way. A man in a hurry!

The classic "taxi-man turn" is not strictly legal. (The taxi-man turn sequence is 'start turn-then signal-then complete turn', or the more brief 'turn'). Also, have you ever been in a taxi that stuck to the speed limits?

I take your point though. Couriers should at least try to look as if they are keeping to some version of the rules!

Antomus Prime

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

does this not apply to bus drivers,taxis,pizza delivery guys, motorbike couriers etc? why is it that bicycle couriers think they have the right to break all the rules of the road? you dont see motorbike couriers breaking red lights into oncoming traffic.

Couldnt agree more, just cause you can do something to get you to where youre going quicker doesnt mean youre allowed do it, I could easily drive my car on the path or in bus lanes, but rules of the road are for everyone, not just cars, buses, bikes etc... Although I am not naive and do know that plenty of these people break the rules too

And I'm not trying to come across as a cyclist basher cause im not, im refering to the cyclist mentioned in this topic......... Just in case anyone thinks otherwise

BTH

check_six wrote: »

Also, have you ever been in a taxi that stuck to the speed limits?

Yeah, but only when they have a fare.

Jawgap

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

does this not apply to bus drivers,taxis,pizza delivery guys, motorbike couriers etc? why is it that bicycle couriers think they have the right to break all the rules of the road? you dont see motorbike couriers breaking red lights into oncoming traffic.

.......because cycle couriers are cool:)

Film about motorbike couriers........



"When a courier at the D-Day Courier Service mistakenly finds a pile of money in his regular delivery, he does some digging only to discover that the messenger company is a front for a drug ring. A reformed drug user himself, he sets out to crack the lethal ring."


Film about cycle couriers........



"In Manhattan, a bike messenger picks up an envelope that attracts the interest of a dirty cop, who pursues the cyclist throughout the city."


QED!!!

HivemindXX

check_six wrote: »

There is a certain way of travelling around town that will allow you to get about very quickly, but you must balance this with safety (mainly of yourself, but others can be included here too).

Nah. You can cycle straight in to a wall or off a bridge and that's fine with me if that's what you are in to but consideration of my safety is not optional.

check_six

Another cycle courier movie is zombie-monster flick 28 Days Later.

Okay, so the cycling element is not explored broadly, but technically Jim, the main protagonist, is a cycle courier who awakes from a bike crash induced coma in a hospital to find a world gone mad with crazies running around trying to bite each other. Maybe something similar might befall our hero from the OP?

By "similar" I don't know whether I mean being hospitalised, being chased by zombies, or turning into Cillian Murphy. Perhaps a poll?

Jawgap

check_six wrote: »

Another cycle courier movie is zombie-monster flick 28 Days Later.

Okay, so the cycling element is not explored broadly, but technically Jim, the main protagonist, is a cycle courier who awakes from a bike crash induced coma in a hospital to find a world gone mad with crazies running around trying to bite each other. Maybe something similar might befall our hero from the OP?

By "similar" I don't know whether I mean being hospitalised, being chased by zombies, or turning into Cillian Murphy. Perhaps a poll?

Let me guess? - no helmet???

So not wearing your helmet can help you survive the zombie apocalypse.

argosy2006

Sounds like Marty Mcfly, , Was he been chased by Biff tanner ?

check_six

argosy2006 wrote: »

Sounds like Marty Mcfly, , Was he been chased by Biff tanner ?

I think the Original Poster may have exclaimed something that sounded like "Flux Capacitor!" when the guy went past, so you might be onto something there.

I'm almost sure this thread wasn't originally about time travelling zombie gangsters on bikes...

Andy-Pandy

Its great fun being a cycle courier and booting it through town, whizzing in and out of the traffic at full speed. What a rush.

Wheely GR8

I suppose these gladiators of the streets have insurance ?
Or is that a responsibility too far ?

dubmess

Wheely GR8 wrote: »

I suppose these gladiators of the streets have insurance ?
Or is that a responsibility too far ?

Why would you suppose they have insurance? Do you have insurance for riding around town?

The responsibility lies with the company and for them, yes, it is a responsibility too far, as is a decent wage, sick pay, holiday pay...

Hermy

BetterThanHoyte wrote: »

Yeah, but only when they have a fare.

Adhering to the speed limits does not increase the fare, indeed it may reduce it.

kropa

ED E wrote: »

Hey all

Today is the second day I've seen this twat. Yesterday he dove from the path at the corner of Stephens Green inches in front of a bus then in front of me(going in the other direction towards leeson) bunny hopped onto the median, over to the far side and across two lanes of traffic going towards Fenian St(I think it is). All at full pace. Today I saw him at the other end, came flying out in front of a taxi passing grafton and nearly swiping a ped then bombed down to the lights at the top of Dawson where he crossed onto the path in front of the green just in front of another taxi. Again going flat out.

<snip>I wont mention until the mods ok it(mods?). I'll be sending a complaint to his employers for all the good that it'll do. Just wondering has this moron been at it long, I've seen couriers doing risky things before, but never like this.

ED-E

Im a messenger for number of years,and I can tell you the most dangerous people are the dublin bikes and hipsters,don't even gonna go to the subject of taxis of buses...messengers with experience are fast and many times they looks like they doing really dangerous stuff,but I can tell you on my own experience we now what we doing,if I brake light its only if I now its safe,I don't force people in the path to move on scared coz Its one way system,coz its pedestrians zone,I won't force people if I have red light just wait for them to cross the road,but tell me you never cross the road not in the lights or in the red,you never walk or park you car in the bike lane,if you say no to those questions I will retire ...be safe,respect others and try understand we all brake the law in different way...

Mr Trade In

argosy2006 wrote: »

Sounds like Marty Mcfly, , Was he been chased by Biff tanner ?

Hello? Hello? Anybody home? Huh? Think,argosy2006 ! Think! it's Biff Tannen not Biff tanner, hope you have a DeLorean so you can go back and fix this...

Darkglasses

kropa wrote: »

but tell me you never cross the road not in the lights or in the red,you never walk or park you car in the bike lane,if you say no to those questions I will retire ...be safe,respect others and try understand we all brake the law in different way...

Ok, I'll go first. I never break red lights, don't own a car and certainly never walk in cycle lanes. We don't all break the law in a different way. I do know that it is rare that experienced messengers/couriers get injured on the job, but I still find it incredibly irritating to see flouting of the law around me. Sorry, but for me, its just the same as I wouldn't want to see anyone else committing a crime on the street which is unlikely to injure me.

Today on my commute home, I literally did not see one other cyclist not jump a red light (did see two RLJs crash into each other too).

kropa

Darkglasses wrote: »

Ok, I'll go first. I never break red lights, don't own a car and certainly never walk in cycle lanes. We don't all break the law in a different way. I do know that it is rare that experienced messengers/couriers get injured on the job, but I still find it incredibly irritating to see flouting of the law around me. Sorry, but for me, its just the same as I wouldn't want to see anyone else committing a crime on the street which is unlikely to injure me.

Today on my commute home, I literally did not see one other cyclist not jump a red light (did see two RLJs crash into each other too).

So you wanna say you never brake red light,even walking ? you must be the only man in Ireland who always going to traffic lights and waiting for a green man,I see guards walking in red thats why Im confused,I don't say braking the lights is good,but what I mean if I brake it means its safe...And the law is...cars and any engine vehicles have to stop on red,pedestrians and pushbikes should stop,so we just bent the law,come with me to work one day and experience my day and after we can have serious conversation about that...

kumate_champ07

kropa wrote: »

Im a messenger for number of years,and I can tell you the most dangerous people are the dublin bikes and hipsters,don't even gonna go to the subject of taxis of buses...messengers with experience are fast and many times they looks like they doing really dangerous stuff,but I can tell you on my own experience we now what we doing,if I brake light its only if I now its safe,I don't force people in the path to move on scared coz Its one way system,coz its pedestrians zone,I won't force people if I have red light just wait for them to cross the road,but tell me you never cross the road not in the lights or in the red,you never walk or park you car in the bike lane,if you say no to those questions I will retire ...be safe,respect others and try understand we all brake the law in different way...

what gives you the right to break the law? cars dont drive thru a pedestrian crossing when its a red light if theres no pedestrians, even tho they know its safe. I will also stop my bike and wait for a green light.
you gotta respect the rules of the road and others will respect you. I ride in the city every day so I see all the bad stuff going on

we all may break the law in certain ways but roads are dangerous and people are unpredictable, follow the rules and expect the unexpected, thats my way of surviving the city and I get around fast

Satanta

kropa wrote: »

So you wanna say you never brake red light,even walking ?...

Nobody that posts on an internet forum breaks the law.

kumate_champ07

kropa wrote: »

So you wanna say you never brake red light,even walking ? you must be the only man in Ireland who always going to traffic lights and waiting for a green man,I see guards walking in red thats why Im confused,I don't say braking the lights is good,but what I mean if I brake it means its safe...And the law is...cars and any engine vehicles have to stop on red,pedestrians and pushbikes should stop,so we just bent the law,come with me to work one day and experience my day and after we can have serious conversation about that...

thats not against the law

kropa

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

what gives you the right to break the law? cars dont drive thru a pedestrian crossing when its a red light if theres no pedestrians, even tho they know its safe. I will also stop my bike and wait for a green lighty
you gotta respect the rules of the road and others will respect you. I ride in the city every day so I see all the bad stuff going on

we all may break the law in certain ways but roads are dangerous and people are unpredictable, follow the rules and expect the unexpected, thats my way of surviving the city and I get around fast

So what you gonna say on that... you going college green,green man its for you,you in rush,no cars behind you,but you in the right,pedestrians s u and start walking at the lights don't leaving you space,what you do,1-wait for them to let you go and probably red light gonna be after so you still waiting 2-cycle between them and you in right but you in wrong ?

kumate_champ07

kropa wrote: »

So what you gonna say on that... you going college green,green man its for you,you in rush,no cars behind you,but you in the right,pedestrians s u and start walking at the lights don't leaving you space,what you do,1-wait for them to let you go and probably red light gonna be after so you still waiting 2-cycle between them and you in right but you in wrong ?

those pedestrians are wrong, they are not breaking the law but they are putting their safety at risk. some dont even look right, they just follow the crowd ahead.

are you asking me if I put my safety at risk by crossing the road with a large group of people when the light is red? I cross if theres no traffic coming towards me, I will look to the road first and if its safe I will cross, its not breaking the law.


If my light is green and Im on my bike but there is a group of people crossing I will keep going towards them, slow down to a safe speed and go thru a gap. sometimes people get scared when that happens but Im going at 10kmh, they dont see me but I see them. its good that they get scared because it means maybe next time they will look right and see the traffic

kropa

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

those pedestrians are wrong, they are not breaking the law but they are putting their safety at risk. some dont even look right, they just follow the crowd ahead.

are you asking me if I put my safety at risk by crossing the road with a large group of people when the light is red? I cross if theres no traffic coming towards me, I will look to the road first and if its safe I will cross, its not breaking the law.


If my light is green and Im on my bike but there is a group of people crossing I will keep going towards them, slow down to a safe speed and go thru a gap. sometimes people get scared when that happens but Im going at 10kmh, they dont see me but I see them. its good that they get scared because it means maybe next time they will look right and see the traffic

Yea but the problem is that if messenger gonna go thru its bad and people complain,guards s u and stop you coz you should now better coz pedestrian is the safe cow and can do whatever he wants,so it no solution for that,

ED E

check_six wrote: »

I may be playing devil's advocate here a bit, but was there an actual trail of destruction left behind this punter? Or a trail of near misses? Or maybe just a trail of surprised looks?

There is a certain way of travelling around town that will allow you to get about very quickly, but you must balance this with safety (mainly of yourself, but others can be included here too). If a courier wipes out, his working day is done, and if his bike or body are broken up he could be off the road for a while. Off the road means no money. If this fella is taking too many risks he will come a cropper and soon. If the risks are more calculated and practiced maybe the chance of crashing is a bit less than you perceived it to be.

This was beyond the usual NYC style deliveryboy antics.

Beasty wrote: »

No you cannot include anything that may help identify the individual here. Contacting his employer is the best approach

QQ Sorry bout that boss.

Wheely GR8 wrote: »

I suppose these gladiators of the streets have insurance ?
Or is that a responsibility too far ?

Pff, you'd wanna be pretty nuts to insure them.

kropa wrote: »

Im a messenger for number of years,and I can tell you the most dangerous people are the dublin bikes and hipsters,don't even gonna go to the subject of taxis of buses...messengers with experience are fast and many times they looks like they doing really dangerous stuff,but I can tell you on my own experience we now what we doing,if I brake light its only if I now its safe,I don't force people in the path to move on scared coz Its one way system,coz its pedestrians zone,I won't force people if I have red light just wait for them to cross the road,but tell me you never cross the road not in the lights or in the red,you never walk or park you car in the bike lane,if you say no to those questions I will retire ...be safe,respect others and try understand we all brake the law in different way...

This guy was ten times as dangerous as any dublinbike client, and I've seen them do pretty stupid stuff.



Wish I'd got the bus number so I could requisition the footage.

Anyways, will see what his employers say.

kumate_champ07

kropa wrote: »

Yea but the problem is that if messenger gonna go thru its bad and people complain,guards s u and stop you coz you should now better coz pedestrian is the safe cow and can do whatever he wants,so it no solution for that,

you gotta take the consequences of the reputation you create

kropa

You can complain to anyone about the couriers braking the law,the companies don't care about that,they want couriers to delivery stuff from A to B safe,dry and fast,what happened from the time they collect to the point they delivery its couriers business,so you sound just like little man that have attitude problem and its annoyed someone else doing something you can't...what exactly you gonna write,that cowrie ALMOST hit pedestrian ALMOST hit the but,but at the end of the day he didn't,so what exactly you complain about :-)

ThisRegard

kropa wrote: »

Im a messenger for number of years,and I can tell you the most dangerous people are the dublin bikes and hipsters,don't even gonna go to the subject of taxis of buses...messengers with experience are fast and many times they looks like they doing really dangerous stuff,but I can tell you on my own experience we now what we doing,if I brake light its only if I now its safe,I don't force people in the path to move on scared coz Its one way system,coz its pedestrians zone,I won't force people if I have red light just wait for them to cross the road,but tell me you never cross the road not in the lights or in the red,you never walk or park you car in the bike lane,if you say no to those questions I will retire ...be safe,respect others and try understand we all brake the law in different way...

Nothing what you said there fits in with the moron in the black and yellow who cycled into the side of me when I was in the car on the green one afternoon. I was turning right onto it, he came up to the same junction, failed to look correctly shot right across me as I made the turn. He then had the gall to tell me it was my fault, although he obviously knew it was his, he was ashen faced and legged it. Working in the city centre almost 20 years through various jobs, a good portion of these guys are morons. Just because you get paid to do your job on a bike does not make you a professional in any sense other than that's how you make your living. Also, couriers are the biggest hipsters these days.

GTDolanator

ThisRegard wrote: »

Nothing what you said there fits in with the moron in the black and yellow who cycled into the side of me when I was in the car on the green one afternoon. I was turning right onto it, he came up to the same junction, failed to look correctly shot right across me as I made the turn. He then had the gall to tell me it was my fault, although he obviously knew it was his, he was ashen faced and legged it. Working in the city centre almost 20 years through various jobs, a good portion of these guys are morons. Just because you get paid to do your job on a bike does not make you a professional in any sense other than that's how you make your living. Also, couriers are the biggest hipsters these days.

bicycle messengers are the ORIGINAL hipsters bitch

Darkglasses

Make sure to say hi to me sometime, you can't miss me. I'm the eccentric character in the city centre who stops at red lights and uses hand signals before turning!

blorg

kropa wrote: »

Yea but the problem is that if messenger gonna go thru its bad and people complain,guards s u and stop you coz you should now better coz pedestrian is the safe cow and can do whatever he wants,so it no solution for that,

What?

Lumen

If messengers were forced to obey the ROTR no one would take the job.

An Post probably pays better if your interest is in delivering post using a bicycle.

ROK ON

Of the twice in my life that I have been involved in a physical confrontation with a fellow cyclist, once was with a courier.
Broke a red light going the wrong way and hit me as I was crossing a ped crossing on the green light.
His first reaction was to abuse me and tell me to look where I was going.
His second reaction was to hit the deck as I administered shift justice.
In my small minded way I felt empowered.

AstraMonti

kropa wrote: »

...but I can tell you on my own experience we now what we doing...

Famous last words..

nak

Lumen wrote: »

If messengers were forced to obey the ROTR no one would take the job.

An Post probably pays better if your interest is in delivering post using a bicycle.

Stereotyping? Not all people on Dublin bikes run red lights, same goes for messengers. I have seen plenty of messengers obey the ROTR. The companies put time contraints on messengers and I don't think they really give a **** how it's done as long as the jobs get delivered to the customer on time.

From my experience amber to red seems to mean accelerate here, I see cars run red lights and drive through pedestrian crossings on a regular basis. The standard of driving from the gardai is attrocious at times, so doesn't set a good example. I was hit by one doing a u-turn in a marked car. Don't get me started on all the people who think it's ok to drive around without a licence, stinking of booze still over the limit from the night before etc.

There is a general lax attitude towards the ROTR in this country and it is evident in all groups of road user.

Lumen

nak wrote: »

I have seen plenty of messengers obey the ROTR.

I have never seen a messenger stop for a red light when it was safe to proceed. Have you?

Oldlegs

kropa wrote: »

You can complain to anyone about the couriers braking the law,the companies don't care about that,they want couriers to delivery stuff from A to B safe,dry and fast,what happened from the time they collect to the point they delivery its couriers business,so you sound just like little man that have attitude problem and its annoyed someone else doing something you can't...what exactly you gonna write,that cowrie ALMOST hit pedestrian ALMOST hit the but,but at the end of the day he didn't,so what exactly you complain about :-)

Wow - just joined Boards. 5 posts on the one topic and manages to get down and dirty with other posters straight away. As to the damage caused to the english language (kropa's obvious language/grammar capabilities shown in earlier quotes have now gone out the window).

Is this a record

Sunnyisland

nak wrote: »

There is a general lax attitude towards the ROTR in this country and it is evident in all groups of road user.

Agree with this

GTDolanator

ROK ON wrote: »

Of the twice in my life that I have been involved in a physical confrontation with a fellow cyclist, once was with a courier.
Broke a red light going the wrong way and hit me as I was crossing a ped crossing on the green light.
His first reaction was to abuse me and tell me to look where I was going.
His second reaction was to hit the deck as I administered shift justice.
In my small minded way I felt empowered.

i call your bluff

keyboard gangster.....

Chips Lovell

GTDolanator wrote: »

i call your bluff

keyboard gangster.....

Believe me, he's telling the truth.

GTDolanator

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Believe me, he's telling the truth.

in that case im going to go back on the road and break every light until i meet this man,id only love to have a confrontation with him

Chips Lovell

GTDolanator wrote: »

in that case im going to go back on the road and break every light until i meet this man,id only love to have a confrontation with him

So you want to hit a pedestrian, verbally abuse him and then get punched in the face?

Ummm, OK. It takes all sorts I guess.

Korvanica

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

So you want to hit a pedestrian, verbally abuse him and then get punched in the face?

Ummm, OK. It takes all sorts I guess.

Apparently some people get off on it :P

Speaking of couriers theres a new series set in dublin coming out called Gurriers.. based on some book i think (its probably claled Gurriers too)...

This was given to them by a dublin motorcycle courier...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ-BEgc57gc

nak

Lumen wrote: »

I have never seen a messenger stop for a red light when it was safe to proceed. Have you?

Yes, on numerous occasions.

GTDolanator

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

So you want to hit a pedestrian, verbally abuse him and then get punched in the face?

Ummm, OK. It takes all sorts I guess.

wont be no-one throwin digs at me pal

ThisRegard

Ah the internet, allowing people to be hard, tough and challenge complete strangers to fights for no reason at all from their own home since the 90s.

oflahero

GTDolanator wrote: »

wont be no-one throwin digs at me pal

Thin skin much?

Chips Lovell

GTDolanator wrote: »

wont be no-one throwin digs at me pal

Leaving aside your optimistic outlook about a physical confrontation with a man you've never met before, why on earth are you so keen break a light, hit a pedestrian and then verbally abuse him? I'm baffled by your attitude.