Rejoining the uk

Ballyhooley

Would we not be a whole lot better off rejoining the uk and sterling and have a proper free health service within the uk , we could still have our own government like scotland and wales and the country would be united.



Just a thought ?

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Give over

Ballyhooley

deccurley wrote: »

Give over

(WHY) we already belong to brussells

:mad:

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

We didn't fight a war of independence against Brussels, we just signed it away

marketty

Hand the country back to the queen and apologise for the state of the place?
Who says they'd have us?

RichardAnd

I'm sure the UK would be delighted to welcome a debt blighted island into the fold.

pacquiao

Ballyhooley wrote: »

Would we not be a whole lot better off rejoining the uk and sterling and have a proper free health service within the uk , we could still have our own government like scotland and wales and the country would be united.



Just a thought ?

Why not join poland? Why are you in love with england?

BeeDI

Ballyhooley wrote: »

deccurley wrote: »

Give over

(WHY) we already belong to brussells

:mad:

No. We belong to Berlin.

AllGunsBlazing

Time to dust off the old Fry meme......

Ballyhooley

They have already taken the country back I.E everybody is reading british news papers watching british TV BBC ect, shopping in britishs shops Tesco ect and supporting British football s teams and yet we hate the British ?

woodoo

One suckling dependent appendage (Northern Ireland) is enough for them. They could hardly afford 2.

Ballyhooley

They have already given us £7billion to help us out.

AllGunsBlazing

Ballyhooley wrote: »

They have already taken the country back I.E everybody is reading british news papers watching british TV BBC ect, shopping in britishs shops Tesco ect and supporting British football s teams and yet we hate the British ?

American "culture" is just as pervasive in Ireland. We watch their tv shows, listen to their music, and eat their junk food.

Care to put forward an argument for us joining that particular union?


Of course you don't, because you're here on a wind up.

Ballyhooley

Yeah you get a big fat arse from eating that yank junk food ?

AllGunsBlazing

The mask of reason slipped fairly quickly.:D


Ballyhooley, we've come to expect a better standard of wum here on boards.


Overall - 4/10 imo.

Icepick

like they need more spongers

liammur

Ballyhooley wrote: »

They have already taken the country back I.E everybody is reading british news papers watching british TV BBC ect, shopping in britishs shops Tesco ect and supporting British football s teams and yet we hate the British ?

You simply can't join a country like that. Mexico would think it a great idea to join up with the US, turkey with Europe etc. We're a serious liability now to anybody.

Ballyhooley

GUns blazing

Yeah and you talk ****e , give one good economic reason why we should not rejoin the uk, We should look forward not backwards.

woodoo

Ballyhooley wrote: »

Yeah and you talk ****e , give one good economic reason why we should not rejoin the uk, We should look forward not backwards.

Most Irish people don't want to rejoin and most English people wouldn't want us to rejoin.

n97 mini

Joining because we're smashed and looking for hand-outs isn't the best reason.

Ballyhooley

I dont believe the british gov would not want us to rejoin maybe the british people would, the four countries together would make us stronger and united and what difference it would make to the people of these two islands , at the moment we have one sick country with a broken leg ?



:pac:

AllGunsBlazing

Ballyhooley wrote: »

We should look forward not backwards.

From the man who wants us to go back into the union.

Definition of irony right here.

_Kaiser_

woodoo wrote: »

Most Irish people don't want to rejoin and most English people wouldn't want us to rejoin.

On what basis are you drawing that conclusion?

Serious question by the way. We certainly have a lot more in common with our neighbours across the water than on the mainland. We all speak the same language, watch the same TV, follow the same football clubs and shop in the same stores. We also have a lot more common interests.

Or is this purely a "800 years" thing because I have to say, we haven't exactly covered ourselves in glory since we got our Independence - first allowing Rome to rule us and hold us back for 2/3 generations, then selling the whole country off to Germany and the EU. We might as well not have a government at this stage for all the actual decision-making ability they have.

Best thing that could happen is that we rejoined "the Empire" at this stage - not as a colony but as an equal partner... something we certainly won't ever get in Europe.

irishh_bob

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

On what basis are you drawing that conclusion?

Serious question by the way. We certainly have a lot more in common with our neighbours across the water than on the mainland. We all speak the same language, watch the same TV, follow the same football clubs and shop in the same stores. We also have a lot more common interests.

Or is this purely a "800 years" thing because I have to say, we haven't exactly covered ourselves in glory since we got our Independence - first allowing Rome to rule us and hold us back for 2/3 generations, then selling the whole country off to Germany and the EU. We might as well not have a government at this stage for all the actual decision-making ability they have.

Best thing that could happen is that we rejoined "the Empire" at this stage - not as a colony but as an equal partner... something we certainly won't ever get in Europe.

canada and the us
australia and new zealand
austria and germany

all off the above have just as much in common with thier neighbours and more , being a lot like your neighbour doesnt mean you should move in with them

_Kaiser_

irishh_bob wrote: »

canada and the us
australia and new zealand
austria and germany

all off the above have just as much in common with thier neighbours and more , being a lot like your neighbour doesnt mean you should move in with them

... and if we were capable as a nation/people of making mature, informed decisions in the best interest of the country (rather than the parish - or our own pocket) then I'd completely agree with you.

The truth is though we're not there yet. We need oversight and I don't think the EU as it exists today is in our best interests. We were traditionally pegged against sterling anyway so why not formalise the arrangement on the best terms possible?

Contrary to what some believe, most people on BOTH sides HAVE moved on from the "bad old days". That's not to say we should forget or ignore what happened, but we need to recognize that mistakes and atrocities were carried out by both sides and work together to move forward in both our interests.

woodoo

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

On what basis are you drawing that conclusion

Finger in the wind sort of job

irishh_bob

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

... and if we were capable as a nation/people of making mature, informed decisions in the best interest of the country (rather than the parish - or our own pocket) then I'd completely agree with you.

The truth is though we're not there yet. We need oversight and I don't think the EU as it exists today is in our best interests. We were traditionally pegged against sterling anyway so why not formalise the arrangement on the best terms possible?

Contrary to what some believe, most people on BOTH sides HAVE moved on from the "bad old days". That's not to say we should forget or ignore what happened, but we need to recognize that mistakes and atrocities were carried out by both sides and work together to move forward in both our interests.

always makes me nervous when i hear people applying some sort of equilibrium between ireland and the uk in terms of agression

AllGunsBlazing

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Contrary to what some believe, most people on BOTH sides HAVE moved on from the "bad old days". That's not to say we should forget or ignore what happened, but we need to recognize that mistakes and atrocities were carried out by both sides and work together to move forward in both our interests.

This is already happening. The value of UK exports to Ireland is greater than the combined value of her exports to China, India, Brazil and Russia all put together and the UK is Ireland’s biggest trading partner.


This back to the union guff is just wistful nonsense. It solves nothing in regards to our debt problems (do people actually believe the UK will squash that 7 billion we owe them and then write a blank cheque to cover our debts with the Germans?).

Do we have any natural resources that would be of benefit to the UK if we were back within her dominion? No, we don't. We have nothing to offer them. It would be an unequal marriage with us taking and having nothing to give in return. The UK has it's own books to balance right now and we are of far more benefit to them as a trade destination than as a member of their union.

It may have also escaped some of your attention but the empire is currently in a downsizing operation not an upscaling one. With Scotland pushing the hardest for a breakaway.

Ultimately, what we have here is pure damsel in distress type stuff. But no English knight in shining armour is going to come to our rescue and then sweep us back to his castle in order to keep us safe from the big bad world outside.

So basically lads, we're on our own. Deal with it.

kraggy

Ballyhooley wrote: »

They have already given us £7billion to help us out.

They haven't "given" us anything.

They've LENT us money, on which they'll make a tidy profit.

It's not a bailout.

Ballyhooley

kraggy wrote: »

They haven't "given" us anything.

They've LENT us money, on which they'll make a tidy profit.

It's not a bailout.

Do you think they will ever see it back ?

Tora Bora

Let's all join up, wiv the Brits:p

BeeDI

Fcuk sake, from the frying pan into the fire :mad:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1122/breaking8.html


'Ten years of austerity' for Britain

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Britain needs 10 years of austerity to resolve its economic problems, independent think-tank Reform has said.
The London-based think-tank questioned the plans of the coalition to restore growth by creating a building boom, and urged Chancellor George Osborne to stick to his spending cuts, the Telegraph reported.

"Slow growth is inevitable given the levels of debt in the economy," Reform said.

"Even under the best economic scenario, the programme of austerity should be at least a 10-year project with the first parliamentary term achieving deficit reduction and the second consolidating the gains."

Reform said austerity was "the new normal", adding that the government needed to avoid quick fixes and inconsistency so it can lure the business investment that will revitalise the country's economy, the newspaper reported.

"An excessive emphasis on quick fixes - prioritising immediate wants while postponing hard decisions - is one reason the UK economy is in the mess it is in. Inconsistency creates uncertainty and uncertainty reduces firms' incentives to invest and expand," the think-tank said.

Mr Osborne can do little to stimulate the recovery other than holding a strict line on fiscal discipline, simplifying taxes and regulations and maintaining consistent policies, the think-tank said according to the Telegraph .

Reform is a non-party think-tank which aims to set out a better way to deliver public services and economic prosperity.

Ballyhooley

BeeDI wrote: »

Fcuk sake, from the frying pan into the fire :mad:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1122/breaking8.html


'Ten years of austerity' for Britain

Related

• Overcoming crisis 'will take years' | 18/11/2011
• BoE governor backs austerity plan | 16/11/2011
• OECD says UK recovery will be sluggish | 17/03/2011

Britain needs 10 years of austerity to resolve its economic problems, independent think-tank Reform has said.
The London-based think-tank questioned the plans of the coalition to restore growth by creating a building boom, and urged Chancellor George Osborne to stick to his spending cuts, the Telegraph reported.

"Slow growth is inevitable given the levels of debt in the economy," Reform said.

"Even under the best economic scenario, the programme of austerity should be at least a 10-year project with the first parliamentary term achieving deficit reduction and the second consolidating the gains."

Reform said austerity was "the new normal", adding that the government needed to avoid quick fixes and inconsistency so it can lure the business investment that will revitalise the country's economy, the newspaper reported.

"An excessive emphasis on quick fixes - prioritising immediate wants while postponing hard decisions - is one reason the UK economy is in the mess it is in. Inconsistency creates uncertainty and uncertainty reduces firms' incentives to invest and expand," the think-tank said.

Mr Osborne can do little to stimulate the recovery other than holding a strict line on fiscal discipline, simplifying taxes and regulations and maintaining consistent policies, the think-tank said according to the Telegraph .

Reform is a non-party think-tank which aims to set out a better way to deliver public services and economic prosperity.

They can afford to give us £7billion and more if we need it ?

kraggy

Ballyhooley wrote: »

They can afford to give us £7billion and more if we need it ?

Yes, because Ireland is Britain's largest export market. They need us. If our economy crashes, they'll be hit massively.

And yes we are paying it back. We have choice.

Yahew

Long term the UK is f*cked.

I suppose if we join then we get to graduate from uni with €40K in debt, so there is that. That and the NHS.

Atilathehun

Yahew wrote: »

Long term the UK is f*cked.

I suppose if we join then we get to graduate from uni with €40K in debt, so there is that. That and the NHS.

And we can have mushy peas for supper every evening.

Talk about the HSE .................. the NHS is as bad if not worse:eek:

Then there is Coronation St ................ would Fair City have to go
Eastenders kept on, and Ros na Run to get the chop:o Hard to call it, as they both speak a strange lingo

Ballyhooley

kenny can stick his 2% increase up his ass i am heading north for my XMAS british shopping, much Much cheaper.

anymore

Ballyhooley wrote: »

Would we not be a whole lot better off rejoining the uk and sterling and have a proper free health service within the uk , we could still have our own government like scotland and wales and the country would be united.



Just a thought ?

rather be a beggar than rejoin the Gob****e UK - wont be too long before the scots are independent anyway !

meglome

Ballyhooley wrote: »

(WHY) we already belong to brussells

:mad:

deccurley wrote: »

We didn't fight a war of independence against Brussels, we just signed it away

Ah please. We as nation made the choices that got us where we are, now we have to dance for our supper. I suggest we all reflect on how we put ourselves here and stop whining about Germany.

Ballyhooley

We are all beggars at this stage Charlie Bertie and their cronies made sure of that creating a gangsta republic, and i am going to save and spend my own money where ever i want whether it be british north or the Gangsta Republic, the ordinary british folk happen to be very down to earth people when you get to know them.

The irish can take a leaf out of mandela`s book he never sought revenge and you cant blame a son for his fathers sins, so wake up all you armchair rebels and start making good relations with our neighbours.

Slozer

meglome wrote: »

Ah please. We as nation made the choices that got us where we are, now we have to dance for our supper. I suggest we all reflect on how we put ourselves here and stop whining about Germany.

Maybe we should stop reflecting and start thinking about how we as a nation start making choices that will get us out of the mess we are in.

BeeDI

Slozer wrote: »

Maybe we should stop reflecting and start thinking about how we as a nation start making choices that will get us out of the mess we are in.

Well we did make choices as to how we would come out of this, when we elected a new government, by a massive majority.
Remember the election promises from FG for example.

See the link. It's enough to make you sick, to see how they enter a contract, and when they got the cars, completely tear up the contract.

We did not vote for the ****e they are now imposing on us.


http://www.finegael2011.com/pdf/Fine%20Gael%20Manifesto%20low-res.pdf

droicead

Ballyhooley wrote: »

We are all beggars at this stage Charlie Bertie and their cronies made sure of that creating a gangsta republic, and i am going to save and spend my own money where ever i want whether it be british north or the Gangsta Republic, the ordinary british folk happen to be very down to earth people when you get to know them.

The irish can take a leaf out of mandela`s book he never sought revenge and you cant blame a son for his fathers sins, so wake up all you armchair rebels and start making good relations with our neighbours.

just curious here,why would you head north to do the xmas shopping if your in london?

Alibaba

Ballyhooley wrote: »

Would we not be a whole lot better off rejoining the uk and sterling and have a proper free health service within the uk , we could still have our own government like scotland and wales and the country would be united.



Just a thought ?

Visions of De Valera spinning in his grave..

323

Tora Bora wrote: »

Let's all join up, wiv the Brits:p

What you mean? He was a Kerryman

Ballyhooley

droicead wrote: »

just curious here,why would you head north to do the xmas shopping if your in london?

I fly into belfast at xmas ?

murphaph

Atilathehun wrote: »

Talk about the HSE .................. the NHS is as bad if not worse:eek:

:rolleyes:

It is in its bollix as bad as the HSE.

The NHS has its problems but to compare it in any way to the shambles that is the HSE is ridiculous.

GPs and dentists are FULLY integrated into the NHS. Doctors earn a good but not extortionate living in Britain. A UK resident does not need to pay €50+ to see their doctor or dentist.

I am in no way in favour of rejoining the UK. We need to sort out our own affairs and stop looking to blame or seek help from our neighbours. The UK wouldn't have us anyway.

eire4

Actually Britain owes us more money then we owe them anyway.

Ballyhooley

eire4 wrote: »

Actually Britain owes us more money then we owe them anyway.

How explain yourself ?

declanx

Well with agreements between Ireland and the UK, Ireland and the EU, I think it’s a moot point. On the other hand for the Irish Diaspora, joining the commonwealth may make more sense (longer stay visas). But that's a different forum topic.
I feel the frustration in the posts with our political system, I just don’t know how to fix it.
IMO The Irish system has been corrupt too deeply and too long to fix.

saywhatyousee

Ballyhooley wrote: »

They can afford to give us £7billion and more if we need it ?

The Bank of England lent us the money(Its a private organisation)not the British taxpayer.