advice needed

Seanbass

hey all,

I finally joined the local Rugby club in July and was having a great time playing till I picked up a nasty knee injury in a match in September and i'm just getting back to training now.
but that's besides the point but the questions I had is that everyone seems to be taking some sort of supplement after games or training.
weather its whey, or other things I'm not sure,
some of the lads take jack3d and monster too, and after matches the coach usually drops a bag called recovery into the dressing room.

I was just wondering should I be taking any of these too?
I'm 24, 5ft 10/11in, 11 3/4 stone and fairly slim.

does taking whey make you put on weight if I wasn't working out as much as the other lads?
what are the advantages, does anyone notice differences?
what would you guys recommend as I'm completely lost when it comes to all this.

any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance!

WeeBushy

Seanbass wrote: »

hey all,

I finally joined the local Rugby club in July and was having a great time playing till I picked up a nasty knee injury in a match in September and i'm just getting back to training now.
but that's besides the point but the questions I had is that everyone seems to be taking some sort of supplement after games or training.
weather its whey, or other things I'm not sure,
some of the lads take jack3d and monster too, and after matches the coach usually drops a bag called recovery into the dressing room.

I was just wondering should I be taking any of these too?

Jack3d or boost will give you a big caffeine rush, but I have never seen it recommended for rugby players. You'll slump as the caffein will not last 80+ minutes. You want slower releasing energy imo. Eat a bowl of pasta or something like that before your game instead. Never heard of recovery so can't comment on that.

Seanbass wrote: »

does taking whey make you put on weight if I wasn't working out as much as the other lads?
what are the advantages, does anyone notice differences?
what would you guys recommend as I'm completely lost when it comes to all this.

any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance!

Whey is protein. It is a bi-product of cheese making and is concentrated protein originally from milk. People seem to have the idea that its some sort of magical supplement that will have all these effects if taken. It's just another source of protein. So do you need it? Well only if you're not getting enough protein from your normal diet. Can't answer that without knowing what you eat. Will you notice any differences? Well only if you need it tbh.

Will you put on weight if you aren't working out as much? If you are eating more calories than you use you will put on weight. Protein is relatively low in calories, so eating excess protein wouldn't result in muchweight gain.

Have a read of this thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054989471

Seanbass

thanks for that man, ill check that out!

Kevin Duffy

Seanbass wrote: »

hey all,

I finally joined the local Rugby club in July and was having a great time playing till I picked up a nasty knee injury in a match in September and i'm just getting back to training now.
but that's besides the point but the questions I had is that everyone seems to be taking some sort of supplement after games or training.
weather its whey, or other things I'm not sure,
some of the lads take jack3d and monster too, and after matches the coach usually drops a bag called recovery into the dressing room.

I was just wondering should I be taking any of these too?
I'm 24, 5ft 10/11in, 11 3/4 stone and fairly slim.

does taking whey make you put on weight if I wasn't working out as much as the other lads?
what are the advantages, does anyone notice differences?
what would you guys recommend as I'm completely lost when it comes to all this.

any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance!

I'd be asking wtf is in that bag before I'd be touching it. It could be all good, or not.
After training and games you do want some immediate nutrition, you'll make no gains without it. Depending on what research you read, the window is anything from 15 to 60 minutes. Personally I take the 15 min option and aim for a shake with about 2 or 3:1 carbs to protein, depending on exact goals at the time. Something like this http://www.nutritionx.ie/recovery-accelerator-matrix/ or similar, then eat a good meal with a 40/40/20% balance of carbs/protein/fats within 90 mins of that, like a good old spag bol or meat and potatoes.

Mellor

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

I'd be asking wtf is in that bag before I'd be touching it. It could be all good, or not.
After training and games you do want some immediate nutrition, you'll make no gains without it. Depending on what research you read, the window is anything from 15 to 60 minutes. Personally I take the 15 min option and aim for a shake with about 2 or 3:1 carbs to protein, depending on exact goals at the time. Something like this http://www.nutritionx.ie/recovery-accelerator-matrix/ or similar, then eat a good meal with a 40/40/20% balance of carbs/protein/fats within 90 mins of that, like a good old spag bol or meat and potatoes.

Sooner is obviously better but the is no magic window.

Thud

I'm intrigued, how big is the "bag called recovery" and what's in it (powder, pills, shakes, syringes)?

Brian?

Thud wrote: »

I'm intrigued, how big is the "bag called recovery" and what's in it (powder, pills, shakes, syringes)?

Easy tiger, I seriously doubt it's a bag of syringes somehow.

OP, is it something like this:

http://www.myprotein.com/uk/products/recovery_xs

Brian?

Mellor wrote: »

Sooner is obviously better but the is no magic window.

The magic window is where all the anabolic potential for growth lives!!!

Seriously though, no magic window really.

Kevin Duffy

Mellor wrote: »

Sooner is obviously better but the is no magic window.

You can't have it both ways, either there's an optimum time, or there's not.

Scuba Ste

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

You can't have it both ways, either there's an optimum time, or there's not.

Whether it's optimum or not you absolutely CAN make gains without immediate post workout nutrition.

Dunno about pasta before a game either, at least not immediately before. I wouldn't fancy running around a rugby pitch with a belly full of pasta.

WeeBushy

Scuba Ste wrote: »

Dunno about pasta before a game either, at least not immediately before. I wouldn't fancy running around a rugby pitch with a belly full of pasta.

No not straight before, maybe 2 hours before the game. Would that not be the best way to keep some fuel in reserve without either being to full, or suffering a caffeine crash?

Seanbass

briankeating wrote: »

Easy tiger, I seriously doubt it's a bag of syringes somehow.

OP, is it something like this:

http://www.myprotein.com/uk/products/recovery_xs

yep thats pretty much it man.
think its a different make though.

Mellor

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

You can't have it both ways, either there's an optimum time, or there's not.

There's no both ways about it. They are two different things.
Optimum means the best time. Which is mostly likely ASAP afterwards or even during exercise.

You suggested there was a 15-60 window. "Window" implies that outside of that time, there is no effect. You also said that without immediately nutrition you can make no gains. Which isn't true.