Modern spiritual songs

wolfsbane

Came across this modern spiritual song and wondered if any of you have thoughts on this style of music. Dylan has a number of such from his Christian material.

I find this 'rock' acceptable for private edification, but not for worship. But that is true with some of the traditional stuff - anything that can't be sung to God because of its lack of reverence yet is suitable to sing to oneself or others, as we do not merit such reverence.

Phatfish - In The Beginning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLsPjQnik-0&feature=youtu.be

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Ephesians 5:18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord, 20 giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another in the fear of God.

PatricaMcKay2

I found giving up rock and pop to be have been of tremendous benefit. Also the objections to High Church liturgical practices are often that they distract from God and turn what should be worship into a show to entertain the senses, what than about the pop music that some evangelicals use? No despite the lyrics the music is unsuitable for spiritual purposes because it doesnt uplift but degrades the senses.

PatricaMcKay2

There is so much beautiful Christian music out there that is respected on its aesthetic merits as excellcent even by unbelievers, why do people need this third rate trash?

Bishop Williamson has interesting things to say about rock music...

http://rm.gloria.tv/?media=59368

wolfsbane

PatricaMcKay2 wrote: »

There is so much beautiful Christian music out there that is respected on its aesthetic merits as excellcent even by unbelievers, why do people need this third rate trash?

Bishop Williamson has interesting things to say about rock music...

http://rm.gloria.tv/?media=59368

The 'animal' rhythm of rock is not unlike martial music - designed to stir a response. Now that response may be improper, a rebellion against God or indeed any authority - but it may be proper, to challenge the folly and injustice of abusive authority/ideas.

We cannot use martial music in worshipping God, for we challenge nothing He represents. But we can use it to challenge the world in its opposition to God, and to challenge what is wrong among the brethren. Music as exhortation and rebuke.

I've seen this principle in operation in prayer - some folk address God in the way they could (properly) address their brethren, preaching to the Almighty instead of petitioning Him.

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2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.

Prop Joe

U2 have alot of biblical references in songs
End of the world,Is awesome - story of Judas
"In the garden i was playing the tart,I kissed your lips and broke your heart"

John Cash had some lovely songs too.

wolfsbane

PatricaMcKay2 wrote: »

I found giving up rock and pop to be have been of tremendous benefit. Also the objections to High Church liturgical practices are often that they distract from God and turn what should be worship into a show to entertain the senses, what than about the pop music that some evangelicals use? No despite the lyrics the music is unsuitable for spiritual purposes because it doesnt uplift but degrades the senses.

Yes, it is not suitable for worship because of its form. It can't be used to address God, even if one escapes the temptation to entertain.

Yet a lot of traditional music is used to entertain the congregation too. When we meet together we should be singing praise to God, not admiring the quality of voice or playing of an instrument.

But outside the worship service, is it wrong to address one another in forms of human communication that are not directed at God? Or indeed, to be entertained by gospel music?

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Ephesians 5:18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord, 20 giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another in the fear of God.

Onesimus

The topic of ''Gospel rock music...is it sacred?'' has been done to death around here methinks.

Keaton

The standard of music in the RCC is pathetic. Whilst the Vatican Council lauded Gregorian chant as first choice liturgical music, we get instead folksy, pathetic, childish, sappy, crappy mush instead. Wolf, perhaps you could come and talk to our priests?

CMpunked

Someone said Christian Rock?

Not many do it better than these guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TlEL7QBNGI

PDN

The Phatfish song obviously isn't geared for congregational singing. It's a performance type song.

marty1985

That Phatfish song reminded me of another bible based one, with In The Beginning in the title.

This one, by Mike Scott, a genius of a man. Enjoy, anyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTc1Gx1_cBg

Seaneh

I'd rather listen to the links of the three videos below than georgian chant any day. I find them far more engaging and promotive of corporate worship that "traditional" worship music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SswMKsFaHWE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNdglLjm9GE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWE-93AxN_c

Doctor DooM

One of my favourite songs of all time is about the singers relationship with God.

P.O.D Did a rather generic line in Christian nu metal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAsVj6Z55_s

lmaopml

wolfsbane wrote: »

But outside the worship service, is it wrong to address one another in forms of human communication that are not directed at God? Or indeed, to be entertained by gospel music?

That's a good question Wolfe. I've often wondered about the 'entertainment' part of worship that is sometimes prevalent. Or perhaps more correctly how people may feel that they 'should' be entertained and may be uncomfortable with traditional prayers, hymns etc. or else they haven't been 'moved' - and whether it's such a good idea to go down the 'entertainment' route during congregational worship........so many have done this, especially new evangelists who incorporate a bit of 'feel good' talks in between and 'how to be a success' talks etc.

My own thoughts on it are - that perhaps it's ok to be moved by how the Spirit works in others and appreciate various forms of worship in song etc. so long as the focus is on the Gospel. Or has a good message...Myself, I like a little modern 'Country' music and I kinda like Soft Rock and some punk music too...lol..

I don't think Jesus was against 'fun' either though, but I agree that it can be hard to determine where the line is between 'fun' and 'insincerity' and being a bit garish too..??

lionmqj

Love this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbrMSEwDo8o&feature=youtube_gdata_player

lionmqj

And this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idA6fCAHVzs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

If these links don't work, copy and paste them into your browser.

CMpunked

lionmqj wrote: »

And this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idA6fCAHVzs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

If these links don't work, copy and paste them into your browser.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idA6fCAHVzs

You can embed youtube vids by pasting in the letters and numbers after the = and before the &. In this case the idA6fCAHVzs inbetween the youtube tags you get with the youtube button above the text box.

lionmqj

CMpunked wrote: »

lionmqj wrote: »

And this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idA6fCAHVzs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

If these links don't work, copy and paste them into your browser.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idA6fCAHVzs

You can embed youtube vids by pasting in the letters and numbers after the = and before the &. In this case the idA6fCAHVzs inbetween the youtube tags you get with the youtube button above the text box.

OK here goes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8smgWBDfjTQ

lionmqj

lionmqj wrote: »

CMpunked wrote: »

lionmqj wrote: »

And this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idA6fCAHVzs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

If these links don't work, copy and paste them into your browser.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idA6fCAHVzs

You can embed youtube vids by pasting in the letters and numbers after the = and before the &. In this case the idA6fCAHVzs inbetween the youtube tags you get with the youtube button above the text box.

OK here goes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8smgWBDfjTQ

Thanks CMpunked

CMpunked

lionmqj wrote: »

Thanks CMpunked

Not a problem man

lionmqj

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni_4UncYeSU

music producer

As a participant from across the pond, I might gently interject my thoughts, to wit: there is no such thing as a style of music that cannot be used in worship. If I suggest that drums are inappropriate for worship, do I extend that to all cultures and all peoples? If I suggest that some modern gospel songs are silly, and indeed that some "hymns" are quite shallow and poorly written, do I disallow them based on my opinion? Who is the arbiter? I would suggest it is a decision to be made by a governing body for a denomination, group orf churches, or even by the individual church itself.

The Sky

U2 Gloria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8iqTzWaYX8&list=PLA7AC955EE05C6EFB&index=25&feature=plpp_video

wolfsbane

music producer wrote: »

As a participant from across the pond, I might gently interject my thoughts, to wit: there is no such thing as a style of music that cannot be used in worship. If I suggest that drums are inappropriate for worship, do I extend that to all cultures and all peoples? If I suggest that some modern gospel songs are silly, and indeed that some "hymns" are quite shallow and poorly written, do I disallow them based on my opinion? Who is the arbiter? I would suggest it is a decision to be made by a governing body for a denomination, group orf churches, or even by the individual church itself.

Yes, I have a lot of sympathy with that. Culture can cause us to reject something as inappropriate that someone from another culture would find OK. And it's hard to be conscious of our cultural baggage.

Applies to all sorts of issues as well as music. Modest dress - I find nothing immodest about bare arms in a woman in or out of church. Someone from another country might find it very immodest. If the preacher in my church said, "The dog **** on the carpet", that would cause offence. But I gather in Germany that is proper use of language.

The primary important thing, however, is to remember there are real boundaries beyond which it is always wrong to go. Defining them may be a problem at times - but it is our defective understanding and sinful nature that makes us ignorant.

The secondary important thing is not to cause offence to weaker brethren. If we know something is OK because we have greater understanding of the faith, we must not just trample over their consciences in practising it.

Back to music - it must never detract from our conversation with God and our praise of Him. For me that means in the worship service it be used to keep us in tune, not to entertain us.

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Romans 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. 13 Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy. 14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.

Romans 14:1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.