Helicopter crash kills Elite seals who killed Osama .. accident or some cover up?

weisses

Find this very interesting and thought it deserved its own thread

I am doing a bit of reading in this incident and i believe there is more going on then officially stated

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/917/461/Inside_Scoop:_31_US_Occupiers_Killed_in_Afghanistan_and_Much_More.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlirOg90T8E&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL3545A04C5C9F56B9

Don't know if the translation is accurate ..... plenty more to find out about it

board.eddy

they were navy seals but not the same navy seals that raided bin ladens compound

[HTML]http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-06/world/afghanistan.nato.helicopter.crash_1_special-operations-forces-insurgents-military-personnel?_s=PM:WORLD/HTML]

board.eddy

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-06/world/afghanistan.nato.helicopter.crash_1_special-operations-forces-insurgents-military-personnel?_s=PM:WORLD

davoxx

board.eddy wrote: »

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-06/world/afghanistan.nato.helicopter.crash_1_special-operations-forces-insurgents-military-personnel?_s=PM:WORLD

that makes sense, the same government that would not show proof of osama's death, said they were different special ops ... forgive me for not accepting that on face value ...

Jonny7

weisses wrote: »

Find this very interesting and thought it deserved its own thread

I am doing a bit of reading in this incident and i believe there is more going on then officially stated

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/917/461/Inside_Scoop:_31_US_Occupiers_Killed_in_Afghanistan_and_Much_More.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlirOg90T8E&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL3545A04C5C9F56B9

Don't know if the translation is accurate ..... plenty more to find out about it

One of your links isn't a news story, its just a blog. Here's the full except. I'll highlight the dubious, irrelevant, unsubstantiated, and baseless parts (yes I'm that bored

31 American military personnel were killed when the Boeing Chinook helicopter in which they were flying crashed in Afghanistan.

Of the thirty-one killed, twenty were members of SEAL Team 6.

More importantly, I’ve been reliably informed (by a retired Colonel, US Army intel) that these very same operatives were the men who allegedly killed Usama bin Laden recently in Abbottabad. [NB: Seal Team 6 is an ultra-elite group of "black" operatives who exist outside military protocol, engage in operations that are at the highest level of classification, and often outside the bounds of international law.]

Unnamed source. Nothing to vouch for the reliability of the statement.

The official story is that the Taliban shot down the chopper. I have my doubts (as do many others far more savvy than yours truly).

[Remember Pat Tillman, the Pro Football star who forsook a megabuck contract and volunteered to go fight in Afghanistan in the heat of the post-9/11 patriotic frenzy? The official story is that Tillman was killed in a friendly-fire incident. According to reports from several US military personnel (a few of whom I know), Pat Tillman was assassinated by his own government. Reportedly, Tillman, the quintessential poster-boy for military recruitment, was waking up to the 9/11 lie, and was beginning to get a little too loose-lipped for his own good. Word traveled up the chain fast. Three bullets to the head fired at close range killed him. Friendly-fire indeed.]

This is a different conspiracy theory. Contained within is the author's assumption that 911 is a lie. There is a pattern forming already. Also irrelevant to the main story.

"We are never deceived; we deceive ourselves." - Goethe

Usama’s “recent death” brings to mind photos that made international headlines during the Iraq invasion.

Remember that iconic image of cheering Iraqis helping bring down the statue of Saddam? A Marine I know told me he had a friend who was actually there, on the ground, in that town square. Evidently, there were no more than 50 Iraqis in that “cheering crowd” — and virtually all of them were paid to participate in the photo shoot. [Did you happen to notice there was only one tightly cropped shot from just one camera angle? The rest of the square was virtually empty, save for US military personnel and equipment.]

Unnamed source.

Then there was that other classic shot, of a bearded and bedraggled Saddam crawling out of a hole with his hands pathetically held up in the air in a gesture of utter defeat. Remember that one?

Again, rigged. I’m personally acquainted with a former Marine who knows one of the guys who actually helped stage that sordid affair.

Unnamed source.

Truth is, Saddam was finally cornered in the home of one of his friends, and he fought valiantly to the last bullet. He was eventually nabbed, mussed up further (he apparently didn’t look great to begin), physically forced into the hole, and dirt thrown on him for good measure to ensure a Hollywood-grade image. That photo’s singular intent was to demoralize the Iraqi populace by showing their leader cowering in abject defeat.

Another conspiracy theory.

Usama bin Laden’s REAL Death

It is generally known by military insiders (and others who look to alternative sources for their news) that Usama bin Laden died of natural causes in 2001. He had just returned to Pakistan from Dubai following medical treatment at the American Hospital.

As early as March, 2000, Asia Week expressed concern for bin Laden's health, describing a serious medical problem that could put his life in danger because of "a kidney infection that is propagating itself to the liver and requires specialized treatment.”

Having taken off from Quetta in Pakistan, bin Laden arrived in Dubai and was transferred to the American Hospital. He was accompanied by his personal physician and a ‘faithful lieutenant’ (possibly al-Zawahiri). Usama was admitted to the well-respected urology department run by Dr. Terry Callaway, an American gallstone and infertility specialist.

Bin Laden was checked into one of the hospital’s VIP suites. While there, he received visits from many members of his family as well as prominent Saudis and Emiratis. During the hospital stay, the local CIA agent, known to many in Dubai, was seen taking the main elevator of the hospital to bin Laden's floor.

A few days later, the CIA man bragged to a few friends about having visited bin Laden. Reliable sources report that on July 15th, the day after bin Laden returned to Quetta, the CIA agent was recalled to headquarters. [NB: Contacts between the CIA and bin Laden began in 1979 when, as a representative of his family's business, he began recruiting volunteers for the Afghan resistance against the Soviet Red Army.

No sources given, many unsubstantiated facts.

The LAST ‘Death’ of bin Laden

What the world has been told about the recent “Death of Usama bin Laden” is pitiful and laughably absurd (especially the parts about no forensic tests having been performed, and the body quickly dumped into the sea. That last doctored photo was the clincher).

Truth is, bin Laden’s bin dead a long time.

The charade in Abbottabad was one massive a psyop to provide soothing peace of mind for the American public subject to full-throttle media propaganda, while continuing, unabatedly, one of the greatest, deadliest, and most expensive hoaxes of all time: 9/11 and "The War on Terror."

And now, every single SEAL Team 6 member who was involved in the ‘assassination’ psyop is dead.

Incidentally, I had to smile when I saw one particularly amusing headline re Usama’s latest death, in the US publication Business Insider: “Meet The 'Seal Team 6', The Bad-Asses Who Killed Osama Bin Laden”

Well, all those hapless ‘bad asses’ are now dead.

And dead men don’t talk.

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Reading through that again do you think he

a) objectively analysed all the facts, substantiated them, used genuine sources, applied critical thinking, analysed the details, investigated all the aspects of such a serious claim, etc

or

b) is someone who believes in conspiracy theories and decided the whole thing was a conspiracy theory the moment he saw the news.

weisses

Jonny7 wrote: »

Reading through that again do you think he

a) objectively analysed all the facts, substantiated them, used genuine sources, applied critical thinking, analysed the details, investigated all the aspects of such a serious claim, etc

or

b) is someone who believes in conspiracy theories and decided the whole thing was a conspiracy theory the moment he saw the news.

Its his opinion on the whole thing ... I think its neither anwser A or B

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/06/afghanistan-helicopter-crash-sources-navy-seals-killed_n_920147.html

and then
quote // All sources spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive military matters

Also ..would it be normal for an elite unit to be flown around bij ordinary ISAF choppers?

And would you be happy with 1 named source ? ...or would you want to know his source and then the source of that...etc

weisses

Don't particularly like the man but he got some interesting points

http://www.infowars.com/deaths-of-seal-team-6-exposed/

Laois_Man

I thought it was common knowledge that most of the dead were "25 Navy SEALs from SEAL Team Six, the unit that carried out the raid in Pakistan in May that killed bin Laden"

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/06/afghan-president-31-americans-killed-in-helicopter-crash/#ixzz1eRDCbhUA

davoxx

weisses wrote: »

Don't particularly like the man but he got some interesting points

http://www.infowars.com/deaths-of-seal-team-6-exposed/

funnily enough, i remember thinking that seal team 6 was going to be killed pretty soon afterwards ...

after so many lies being exposed, how people (who claim to be smart self thinking ... etc) still believe the official story is beyond me ...

snafuk35

davoxx wrote: »

funnily enough, i remember thinking that seal team 6 was going to be killed pretty soon afterwards ...

after so many lies being exposed, how people (who claim to be smart self thinking ... etc) still believe the official story is beyond me ...

But why would anyone join the Seals if they knew that they would be bumped off after a big job like killing Bin Laden?

The US military is as porous as any other branch of the American government.
People blab to the press all the time including Seals who have left the service.

There have been atrocities committed by out of control soldiers and the story has come out.

There is no way that the US government could arrange the deaths of a helicopter full of their finest special forces soldiers without the truth coming out.

Brown Bomber

snafuk35 wrote: »

But why would anyone join the Seals if they knew that they would be bumped off after a big job like killing Bin Laden?

The US military is as porous as any other branch of the American government.
People blab to the press all the time including Seals who have left the service.

There have been atrocities committed by out of control soldiers and the story has come out.

There is no way that the US government could arrange the deaths of a helicopter full of their finest special forces soldiers without the truth coming out.

If the US can't keep secrets then perhaps you could detail what the CIA spend their 1 trillion dollar annual black budget one?

Be like Nutella

what wikipedia says about that: could wiki be that far off??

Budget
The overall US intelligence budget has been considered classified until recently. There have been numerous attempts to obtain general information about the budget.[29] As a result, it was revealed that CIA's annual budget in Fiscal Year 1963 was US $ 550 million (inflation adjusted US$ 3.9 billion in 2011),[30] and the overall intelligence budget in FY 1997 was US $ 26.6 billion (inflation adjusted US$ 36.4 billion in 2011).[31] There have also been accidental disclosures: for instance, Mary Margaret Graham, a former CIA official and deputy director of national intelligence for collection in 2005, said the annual intelligence budget was $44 billion.[32]
In Legacy of Ashes-The History of the CIA, Tim Weiner claims early funding was solicited by James Forrestal and Allen Dulles from private Wall Street and Washington DC sources. Next Forrestal convinced "an old chum", John W. Snyder, the US Secretary of the Treasury and one of Harry's closest allies to allow the use of the $200 million Exchange Stabilization Fund by CIA fronts to influence European elections, beginning with Italy[33] After the Marshall Plan was approved, appropriating $13.7 billion over five years, 5% of those funds or $685 million were made available to the CIA.[34]

Be like Nutella

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif] " The ‘official’ black budget for the CIA can be estimated by using the percentage of the black budget for the intelligence community that went to the CIA as opposed to other intelligence agencies from DoD appropriations. According to Victor Marchetti and John Marks, the CIA portion of the intelligence black budget was 750 million from 6.228 billion (approximately 12%) for 1973. [24] Victor Marchetti and John Marks put the overall intelligence budget at $6.228 billion for 1973, of which the CIA disposed of $750 million. According to David Wise[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In 1975 the entire CIA budget was hidden within a $2 billion appropriation for "Other Procurement, Air Force." The $12 billion total for all U.S. intelligence, much higher than previous estimates, was indicated in the report of the Senate intelligence committee. [25] [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Wise’s estimate suggests that the proportion of the intelligence black budget that goes to the CIA is closer to approximately 16.7% than the 12.0% estimated by Marchetti and Mark. At the other end, the Federation of Atomic Scientists, using 1998 figures, estimated that the CIA’s portion of the black budget was 11.5%. [26] If 12% is taken as the more accurate estimate of the CIA portion of the black budget, then this suggests that of the 26.6 billion dollars Tenet disclosed went to the Intelligence Community from DoD appropriations, approximately $3.2 billion (12%) was the official ‘black budget’ of the CIA. The 1998 estimate converts to $3.5 billion in 2002 terms, and compares quite favorable with the 1953 figures that presumably made up DoD appropriations for the CIA black budget that can be converted to approximately $3.4 billion in 2002 using CPI adjustments. [27] Consequently it appears that much of the mystery surrounding the black budget of the CIA and the intelligence community had been ended once official figures for the CIA were released through FOIA in 1997. "[/FONT]

http://www1.american.edu/salla/Articles/BB-CIA.htm

davoxx

snafuk35 wrote: »

But why would anyone join the Seals if they knew that they would be bumped off after a big job like killing Bin Laden?

for the chicks? the free abuse of non ameircan, and a few american, citizens? the guns?
but seriously .. for god and country i do believe
also i betcha pat tillman missed that part of the contract that states "you will be killed and your family will be lied to, repeatedly" ...

snafuk35 wrote: »

The US military is as porous as any other branch of the American government.

you mean like the cia or nsa? ever hear of classified? ever see it on a document that has been blacked out?
and when people do speak out, the "non"-crazies start labelling them as CT ...

snafuk35 wrote: »

People blab to the press all the time including Seals who have left the service.

that's what bradley said ... is he out yet?
but i'm sure pat tillman will tell all right?

snafuk35 wrote: »

There have been atrocities committed by out of control soldiers and the story has come out.

yes they have, after the military corrected the incorrect wild reports by the independent media ... maybe i got that the wrong way round?

snafuk35 wrote: »

There is no way that the US government could arrange the deaths of a helicopter full of their finest special forces soldiers without the truth coming out.

they managed to sneak into a foreign sovereign country and killed osama, and then disposed of his body without any kind of evidence ...

snafuk35

Brown Bomber wrote: »

If the US can't keep secrets then perhaps you could detail what the CIA spend their 1 trillion dollar annual black budget one?

Probably paying the wages of their pro-American allies around the world? A lot of what the CIA does is simply to top up the numbered Swiss bank accounts of their friends or pay people with suitcases full of money. All that glamorous James Bond guff is just guff.

PureClaas

Hey fella's,

That you tube report is so fulla crap. Makes no sense at all.

The tail of that helicopter clipped the coumpound wall on the way in and remained intact apart from the broken off tail section. The other one landed outside.

The two helicopters were the new stealth black hawks. When the mission was over they blew up the copter in the compound.

Seen the full doc on sky one night. Infairness it was very interesting made lots of sense and photo's and news reports the following day all stack up.

Now wether BinLaden is dead or is now a captive is a whole other story. But i wreckon he's a gonner because there is more to 9/11 than meets the eye i think

davoxx

PureClaas wrote: »

Hey fella's,

That you tube report is so fulla crap. Makes no sense at all.

The tail of that helicopter clipped the coumpound wall on the way in and remained intact apart from the broken off tail section. The other one landed outside.

The two helicopters were the new stealth black hawks. When the mission was over they blew up the copter in the compound.

Seen the full doc on sky one night. Infairness it was very interesting made lots of sense and photo's and news reports the following day all stack up.

Now wether BinLaden is dead or is now a captive is a whole other story. But i wreckon he's a gonner because there is more to 9/11 than meets the eye i think

i don't see how it is full of crap ...

do you have a link to the stealth hawk and it clipping the wall?

remember the pat tillman story? that made sense, saw the whole thing on news .. turned out to be a huge lie though ...

regarding on whether bin laden is dead, or ever existed ... who knows ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D1-jq7oQDA

snafuk35

davoxx wrote: »

i don't see how it is full of crap ...

do you have a link to the stealth hawk and it clipping the wall?

remember the pat tillman story? that made sense, saw the whole thing on news .. turned out to be a huge lie though ...

regarding on whether bin laden is dead, or ever existed ... who knows ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D1-jq7oQDA

Jesse Ventura? The guy who was never a SEAL? You do know that Ventura is a proven liar? He was U.S. Navy frogman with an UDT or Underwater Demolition Team 12 from 1969 to 1975 but he never actually served in combat at all during the Vietnam War! And this moron is supposed to be an expert on special forces operations 40 years on? Give me a break! Nobody buys this nonsense!

davoxx

snafuk35 wrote: »

Jesse Ventura? The guy who was never a SEAL? You do know that Ventura is a proven liar? He was U.S. Navy frogman with an UDT or Underwater Demolition Team 12 from 1969 to 1975 but he never actually served in combat at all during the Vietnam War! And this moron is supposed to be an expert on special forces operations 40 years on? Give me a break! Nobody buys this nonsense!

fair enough, you are writing him off based on a perceived lie, so you must write off anything and everything the usa government says as they are proven liars ...

i'll be honest, i was not interested in his background, i was just interested in the points he raised ...

Navy career

From September 11, 1969, to September 10, 1975, during the Vietnam War era, Ventura served in the United States Navy. Ventura graduated with BUD/S class 58 in December 1970[6] and was part of Underwater Demolition Team 12 (UDT).[7] The UDTs were merged with the US Navy SEALs in 1983, 8 years after Ventura had left the Navy.

Bill Salisbury, an attorney in San Diego and a former Navy SEAL officer, accused Ventura of "pretending" to be a SEAL and wrote that Ventura would be blurring an important distinction by claiming to be a SEAL when he was actually a frogman with the UDT. Compared to SEAL Teams, UDTs saw less combat and took fewer casualties.[8][9][10] Following that, Governor Ventura's office confirmed that Ventura was a member of the UDTs. His spokesman stated that Ventura has never tried to convince people otherwise.[8] Ventura stated: "Today we refer to all of us as SEALs; that's all it is," and described the accusations of lying about being a SEAL as "[m]uch ado about nothing."[10]

Ventura has frequently referred to his military career in public statements and debates.[8][11][12] He was criticized by hunters and conservationists for stating in an interview with the Minneapolis StarTribune in April 2001, "Until you have hunted men, you haven't hunted yet."[12][13]

In January 2002, Ventura, who had never specifically claimed to have fought in Vietnam, disclosed for the first time that he did not see combat. He did not receive the Combat Action Ribbon, which was awarded to those involved in a firefight or who went on clandestine or special operations where the risk of enemy fire was great or expected.[7]

wow, if you think that this is a bad case of lying, you must not be able to stomach anything the whitehouse says ...

snafuk35

davoxx wrote: »

fair enough, you are writing him off based on a perceived lie, so you must write off anything and everything the usa government says as they are proven liars ...

i'll be honest, i was not interested in his background, i was just interested in the points he raised ...



wow, if you think that this is a bad case of lying, you must not be able to stomach anything the whitehouse says ...

The guy said he was in the Seals and he clearly wasn't. He never saw combat.
He's like those guys who were in the rear with the gear in Vietnam and never heard a shot fired in anger or they did their duty in Iceland during the Vietnam era or even those people who dodged the draft or got a deferment and turn up these days at Vietnam commemorations with medals on their chests and pretending they have PTSD.

He is a disgusting liar.

davoxx

snafuk35 wrote: »

The guy said he was in the Seals and he clearly wasn't. He never saw combat.
He's like those guys who were in the rear with the gear in Vietnam and never heard a shot fired in anger or they did their duty in Iceland during the Vietnam era or even those people who dodged the draft or got a deferment and turn up these days at Vietnam commemorations with medals on their chests and pretending they have PTSD.

He is a disgusting liar.

hey i'm not going to defend the guy .. i don't think i need to.

i also don't think you should be attacking him over saying that he was a member of an organisation that is now part of the seals ...

if he killed a guy, started an illegal war or lied under oath, i'd agree with you ...

but as it stands how does his points rate? or are you so stuck on trying to destroy anything that does not match the current official story that you have to try to discredit anyone who raises any point ...

ed2hands

snafuk35 wrote: »

He is a disgusting liar.

No. This guy is a disgusting liar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UErR7i2onW0

snafuk35

davoxx wrote: »

hey i'm not going to defend the guy .. i don't think i need to.

You are defending him!:D

i also don't think you should be attacking him over saying that he was a member of an organisation that is now part of the seals ...

But he was NOT a SEAL

if he killed a guy, started an illegal war or lied under oath, i'd agree with you

???

but as it stands how does his points rate? or are you so stuck on trying to destroy anything that does not match the current official story that you have to try to discredit anyone who raises any point ...

This off the wall stuff about Osama still alive or never having exist or killed years ago or 9/11 as an inside job that you hear wing nuts like Ventura spout is truly disgusting.

Exploiting the deaths of these brave servicemen so the conspiracy industry can wheel out a new glut of books for the sad, the pathetic and the delusional to read makes me want to get sick in a bag.

weisses

snafuk35 wrote: »

Exploiting the deaths of these brave servicemen so the conspiracy industry can wheel out a new glut of books for the sad, the pathetic and the delusional to read makes me want to get sick in a bag.

You have really no clue whats going on the world do ya ??

snafuk35

weisses wrote: »

You have really no clue whats going on the world do ya ??

Ok then. Tell me what is really going on!:D

weisses

snafuk35 wrote: »

Ok then. Tell me what is really going on!:D

Nehhhh

I think its best you keep your faith in the Men listed below

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/17/dick-cheney-interview-guantanamo-waterboarding

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9a8_1186873756

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJiNtpIpD6k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ndwQDFhzHc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEpoNdOF1Zw&feature=related

You know the people that never lie

snafuk35

weisses wrote: »

Nehhhh

I think its best you keep your faith in him

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/17/dick-cheney-interview-guantanamo-waterboarding

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9a8_1186873756

You know that man that never lies

What has Cheney got to do with this thread? This thread is about the crash of a helicopter full of elite Seals. Why are you bringing up this interview 4 years ago???? How does that answer any arguments already made???

weisses

snafuk35 wrote: »

What has Cheney got to do with this thread? This thread is about the crash of a helicopter full of elite Seals. Why are you bringing up this interview 4 years ago???? How does that answer any arguments already made???

You don't want to discuss what Venture states, by labeling him as a disgusting liar

I gave a few more examples of disgusting Liars

I think you missed a few while i was editing

I don't like Ventura either ... But he got some interesting points

snafuk35

weisses wrote: »

You don't want to discuss what Venture states, by labeling him as a disgusting liar

I gave a few more examples of disgusting Liars

I think you missed a few while i was editing

I don't like Ventura either ... But he got some interesting points

Again what does this prove or disprove about the SEAL crash? Get back to the topic.

Allegations that the government would deliberately bump off the men who killed Bin Laden have no evidence whatever to support them and they make no logical sense.

weisses

snafuk35 wrote: »

Again what does this prove or disprove about the SEAL crash? Get back to the topic.

Allegations that the government would deliberately bump off the men who killed Bin Laden have no evidence whatever to support them and they make no logical sense.

Yeah i know its not easy to listen to your government lying

Its not logical in your head .. but not impossible at all

They killed thousands of American boys and girls by sending them into a unjustifiable war in Iraq ... But getting rid off 20 seals makes no logical sense ?? righhttt

snafuk35

weisses wrote: »

Yeah i know its not easy to listen to your government lying

Its not logical in your head .. but not impossible at all

They killed thousands of American boys and girls by sending them into a unjustifiable war in Iraq ... But getting rid off 20 seals makes no logical sense ?? righhttt

So who killed the seals then? Surely if 'they' killed the seals to keep them quiet then surely 'they' would have to kill the seal killers and to keep them quite 'they' would have to kill them too and so on and so on.

weisses

snafuk35 wrote: »

So who killed the seals then? Surely if 'they' killed the seals to keep them quiet then surely 'they' would have to kill the seal killers and to keep them quite 'they' would have to kill them too and so on and so on.

I think there are plenty examples from assassinations in the world where the actual killer was never caught, so again your points make no sense

snafuk35

weisses wrote: »

I think there are plenty examples from assassinations in the world where the actual killer was never caught, so again your points make no sense

Give me an example?

There is no way in hell the US government would risk being caught if they even thought of killing a helicopter full of SEALs was a good idea to cover up the 'truth' about Bin Laden.
Why would Obama risk his political career by ordering such a lunatic action?
Why would the perpetrators of an act like killing Bin Laden want to compound the problem by committing an even more difficult to bury act like bumping off the SEALs who would have to be in first conspiracy.
You would expect someone involved in bumping off the SEALs to be looking over their shoulder now wouldn't you?
What would stop them from going onto the internet or going to the press and exposing the entire story?????
For such a thing to be possible the cast of conspirators would have to number in the thousands.
Why would anyone risk the exposure.

If I was to plan a bank robbery I would try to include only people I could trust in the plot. To limit any chance of the plan being exposed I would keep the knowledge of the plot contained among as small a group of people as possible.

To kill a helicopter full of SEALs to cover up another cover up increases the odd of exposure to an astronomical degree. Nobody would take that risk.

Brown Bomber

snafuk35 wrote: »

Give me an example?

There is no way in hell the US government would risk being caught if they even thought of killing a helicopter full of SEALs was a good idea to cover up the 'truth' about Bin Laden.
Why would Obama risk his political career by ordering such a lunatic action?
Why would the perpetrators of an act like killing Bin Laden want to compound the problem by committing an even more difficult to bury act like bumping off the SEALs who would have to be in first conspiracy.
You would expect someone involved in bumping off the SEALs to be looking over their shoulder now wouldn't you?
What would stop them from going onto the internet or going to the press and exposing the entire story?????
For such a thing to be possible the cast of conspirators would have to number in the thousands.
Why would anyone risk the exposure.

If I was to plan a bank robbery I would try to include only people I could trust in the plot. To limit any chance of the plan being exposed I would keep the knowledge of the plot contained among as small a group of people as possible.

To kill a helicopter full of SEALs to cover up another cover up increases the odd of exposure to an astronomical degree. Nobody would take that risk.

Is what your saying is that a criminal would never kill/order killed a witness or collaborator in the crime to cover themselves?

Because that would obviously be nonsense.

davoxx

snafuk35 wrote: »

There is no way in hell the US government would risk being caught if they even thought of killing a helicopter full of SEALs was a good idea to cover up the 'truth' about Bin Laden.

i think you are flawed in your thinking process ...

jesse misrepresented being a seal ... therefore his points are rubbish and must be wrong ...

the us government/military lied about pat tillman, but why would they risk being caught killing some seals? why would they risk lying about tillman among many other things? maybe they lie because they expect not to be caught lying? and when they are caught lying, they know that people will jump in to defend them the next time?

yeah i'm sure you don't like jesse because he raises a very valid point "they lied over ten years, how can anyone realistically be expected to believe them?"

snafuk35 wrote: »

???

his horrendous lies that you claim he made, are a small misrepresentation, that might have been made by several other people and propagated that way ... the seals is better known ...

snafuk35 wrote: »

This off the wall stuff about Osama still alive or never having exist or killed years ago or 9/11 as an inside job that you hear wing nuts like Ventura spout is truly disgusting.

Exploiting the deaths of these brave servicemen so the conspiracy industry can wheel out a new glut of books for the sad, the pathetic and the delusional to read makes me want to get sick in a bag.

wing nuts?? ahh so you made your opinion based on nothing first? ... and then try to attack anything that shows that your decision was not well thought out and might have holes ...

Exploiting the deaths of these brave servicemen ... seems like the pat tillman story there ...

Kippure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1uLdmct8_E&feature=related

I didnt know where to put this, but at about 2.20 in, Benazir Bhutto Says and perhaps her most interesting remark was about one security agent she suspected of being involved in the bombings who, she said, "had dealings with Omar Sheikh, the man who murdered Osama bin Laden." Clearly, this woman knew too much.:eek:

Jonny7

snafuk35 wrote: »

To kill a helicopter full of SEALs to cover up another cover up increases the odd of exposure to an astronomical degree. Nobody would take that risk.

You forgot that Bin Laden was a cover up for 911 in the first place.

We're dealing with a belief system akin to religion here not common sense.

Brown Bomber

Jonny7 wrote: »

You forgot that Bin Laden was a cover up for 911 in the first place.

We're dealing with a belief system akin to religion here not common sense.

Could you please explain what you mean?

weisses

Is something wrong with the quotes ??

Thats not my quote in Johnny7 's post

Penn

weisses wrote: »

Is something wrong with the quotes ??

Thats not my quote in Johnny7 's post

Someone had half a quote tag in a previous post so it knocked all the following quotes out of sync. Should be fixed now. If anyone notices a quote attributed to the wrong person, report it or send me a PM and I'll have a look.

Ellis Dee

Maybe it was neither an accident nor a cover-up. Do Muslims believe in karma?

Jonny7

weisses wrote: »

Is something wrong with the quotes ??

Thats not my quote in Johnny7 's post

Aahh two birds with the one stone