What player are you most looking forward to seeing out of the 2012 NFL draft?

deccy15

For me it's Trent Richardson if he declares. Excellent RB with all the attributes necessary to make it in the NFL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLQOKjH_S3I

The clip from his unbelievable run against Ole Miss.

Peyton Manning

Matt Barkley (QB, USC) Barkley has all the quarterback skills to rank alongside Andrew Luck at the top of his draft class, and he's shown nothing but improvement in his time at USC. He just keeps getting better and better. Would be the consensus number 1 pick if not for Luck. As I said, as a passer, there's nothing between himself and Luck, it's just the latter's almost offensive coordinator-like smarts that has him ahead. Almost a certainty to go number 2 if it's a QB needy team picking there.

Justin Blackmon (WR, Oklahoma State) Those who said AJ Green was the best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson last year, are saying the same thing about Blackmon this year. This kid has been absolutely dominating college cornerbacks with hilarious ease this year. The Blackmon Fade has become the most obvious yet unstoppable route in all of college football. He lacks Megatron's height, but has all the other skills to make him an elite receiver for the next decade. He's going to make some QB very, very happy.

Vontaze Burfict (LB, Arizona State) Those who like Ndamukong Suh will love this kid. He's not a defensive tackle, but he retains the same mean streak and ruthlessness of Suh. Burfict is like a pitbull on steroids, and the opposition QB just stole his bone. His blitzes are a thing of ferocious beauty, and his tackles will make your TV shake. Could be the second coming of Ray Lewis, and while Lewis does his murdering off the field, this kid does it in pads every Saturday. Without doubt the premier elite LB of this draft (assuming he declares), he's also responsible for possibly the coolest football photo you'll see. Imagine seeing this across the line of scrimmage from you as a QB:



Their my 3 guys, although it's not much fun following them as they'll be top 10 picks without doubt if they declare.

davyjose

For the hype alone, it's got to be Luck. Agree with Cam about Barkley too. Very exciting prospect. I'd be happy for the Colts to take either (as long as they're happy to sit behind Manning for a few years).

FreeOSCAR

I don't watch a lot of College ball and I don't know if he will declare but RG3 is so exciting to watch play.

Peyton Manning

RGIII will go very highly whenever he declares. If it's this year, he'll be top 10 imo. Next year? Top 3, perhaps even 1st overall. Guarantee you that scouts all across the league will fall in love with him at the combine and on his pro day. He's blown me away with his accuracy this season - I would have had him down as a second/third rounder before this year's exploits.

Stev_o

Who's RG3 favourite WR? King or something. He looks a good great prospect.

deccy15

Hadn't seen too much of Burfikt until i looked up some videos of him just there. WOW,what an angry man!! Looks a real talent tho. Agree that Barkley would be the no.1 pick most other years. Think this years draft class is exceptionally good.

Peyton Manning

Stev_o wrote: »

Who's RG3 favourite WR? King or something. He looks a good great prospect.

Kendall Wright, and I agree, cracking prospect.

spiralism

TRich, especially if Fox drafts him into our run offence. He's the next Adrian Peterson.

Silver-Tiger

spiralism wrote: »

TRich, especially if Fox drafts him into our run offence. He's the next Adrian Peterson.

Is Richardson that much better than his predecessor Ingram? Ingram is hardly lighting up the NFL but he's doing o.k i suppose

deccy15

Silver-Tiger wrote: »

spiralism wrote: »

TRich, especially if Fox drafts him into our run offence. He's the next Adrian Peterson.

Is Richardson that much better than his predecessor Ingram? Ingram is hardly lighting up the NFL but he's doing o.k i suppose

Yeah he's a good bit better than Ingram imo. Often breaks 4 or 5 tackles on his run, something Ingram didn't do as much of.
Very clinical finisher of runs in the redzone aswell.
Ingram seemed to lose a lot of the momentum he had after his heisman year.

bruschi

davyjose wrote: »

For the hype alone, it's got to be Luck. Agree with Cam about Barkley too. Very exciting prospect. I'd be happy for the Colts to take either (as long as they're happy to sit behind Manning for a few years).

same with that. have watched a few of Stanfords games on ESPN recently, and whilst good, I am not seeing a huge difference in him than some other QBs. it is inevitable he goes no1, and just the hype in the NFL over him going at that will make it interesting to see how he adapts.

clare ny

be interesting if griffin declares or stays in college but looks like luck will have manning to help him into the nfl ... couple of years sitting behind starting QB not always a bad thing , rodgers favre worked out well with rodgers picking up a ring already ...

vinny chase

Some other guys who've looked great:

Alshon Jeffery-WR-South Carolina
Quinton Coples-DE-North Carolina
Morris Claiburne-CB-LSU.

Agreement on everyone mentioned above. Some serious talents that might not be first rounders but have impressed me on every outing I've seen them: Ryan Broyles (WR-Oklahoma), Manti Te'o LB-Notre Dame), Russell Wilson (QB-Wisconsin)-for someone looking for a bit of a project.

Luck, Barkley, Griffin, Blackmon & Burflict are all serious talents though.

Stev_o

If RG3 declares should he jumps up to the 2nd best prospect (honestly id have him ahead of luck) in the draft. He'll be the steal of the century. Won't have the hype machine on his shoulders like Luck and he can probably avoid a train wreck team like the Colts (unless of course Caldwell goes).

Actually can we get a list of the teams in the hunt for a franchise QB this year?

Peyton Manning

Funnily enough, I think the best prospect in thus draft isn't any of the big name QBs. It's Matt Kalil, who looks like the best OT prospect since Jake Long. Obviously QBs and the flair positions get all the hype, but it would not surprise me one bit if the Colts went with Kalil.

vinny chase

Stev_o wrote: »

If RG3 declares should he jumps up to the 2nd best prospect (honestly id have him ahead of luck) in the draft. He'll be the steal of the century. Won't have the hype machine on his shoulders like Luck and he can probably avoid a train wreck team like the Colts (unless of course Caldwell goes).

Actually can we get a list of the teams in the hunt for a franchise QB this year?

For me; the following teams would certainly consider drafting a franchise QB if he fell into their lap:

Indianapolis Colts-no brainer for me, Peyton's injury and the terrible play of his back ups, mean they have to be in the market for the future
Miami Dolphins-they're probably a little impressed with the play of Matt Moore in recent weeks, but they'd still be crazy not to consider Luck, Griffin, Barkley or even Landry Jones if he's available to them.
Washington Redskins-can't see them entering another season with Sexy Rexy or John Beck at the helm
Kansas City Chiefs-Cassel has been inconsistent in his time there, the decision to claim Orton obviously shows a lack of faith in Palko; wouldn't be surprised to see them strongly consider a franchise QB if available
St Louis Rams-Controversial I know, but Bradford has had his struggles. To be honest I'd consider this unlikely (likelier to be in the market for Blackmon or Jeffery), but wouldn't call it impossible.
Denver Broncos-No matter what they say they aren't 100% behind Tebow. That Brady Quinn can't force himself ahead of Tebow says everything. I think they'll be in the market for a QB next year.
Oakland Raiders-They've spent some draft picks acquiring Jason Campbell and more recently Carson Palmer, but neither is the long term future of the franchise. Don't think they'll be in a position to have a crack at one of the biggest names, but I do think they're on the lookout for a QB.
Buffalo Bills-Fitzpatrick looked hot at the start of the year, but he's petering out as teams seem to be working him out. I think Buffalo are another team looking for a QB.
New York Jets-Huge amount of money invested in Sanchez, but it's clear as day that people in the Jets organisation don't have absolute faith in Mark Sanchez as the guy to lead them to the promised land. Like the Rams, I think this one is unlikely, but stranger things have happened.


I know I've put some controversial enough teams on that list, but I think I could justify every teams place.

D3PO

as always for me there are so many

Im actually more looking forwar dto Matt Barkleay than Andrew Luck at QB. I will be flamed for saying it but I think hes a better NFL prospect. :eek:

Based on Cam Newtons season the scounts are going to drool over RG3 hes going to be good to watch.

Justin Blackmon. Oaklahoma state jsut churn out good Recievers its rediculous !!

Another reciever is Kendall Wright. Ive seen a lot of him this year with him being on my fantasy team. They guy looks a good prospect

Dre Kirkpatrick has been dominante in the Alabama secondary and is for me a certain NFL starter from the word go. as is Morris Claibourne from LSU

Id also say Tank Carder form TCU but Im not sure hes draft eligible this year (too lazy to check)

D3PO

vinny chase wrote: »

For me; the following teams would certainly consider drafting a franchise QB if he fell into their lap:

Indianapolis Colts-no brainer for me, Peyton's injury and the terrible play of his back ups, mean they have to be in the market for the future
Miami Dolphins-they're probably a little impressed with the play of Matt Moore in recent weeks, but they'd still be crazy not to consider Luck, Griffin, Barkley or even Landry Jones if he's available to them.
Washington Redskins-can't see them entering another season with Sexy Rexy or John Beck at the helm
Kansas City Chiefs-Cassel has been inconsistent in his time there, the decision to claim Orton obviously shows a lack of faith in Palko; wouldn't be surprised to see them strongly consider a franchise QB if available
St Louis Rams-Controversial I know, but Bradford has had his struggles. To be honest I'd consider this unlikely (likelier to be in the market for Blackmon or Jeffery), but wouldn't call it impossible.
Denver Broncos-No matter what they say they aren't 100% behind Tebow. That Brady Quinn can't force himself ahead of Tebow says everything. I think they'll be in the market for a QB next year.
Oakland Raiders-They've spent some draft picks acquiring Jason Campbell and more recently Carson Palmer, but neither is the long term future of the franchise. Don't think they'll be in a position to have a crack at one of the biggest names, but I do think they're on the lookout for a QB.
Buffalo Bills-Fitzpatrick looked hot at the start of the year, but he's petering out as teams seem to be working him out. I think Buffalo are another team looking for a QB.
New York Jets-Huge amount of money invested in Sanchez, but it's clear as day that people in the Jets organisation don't have absolute faith in Mark Sanchez as the guy to lead them to the promised land. Like the Rams, I think this one is unlikely, but stranger things have happened.


I know I've put some controversial enough teams on that list, but I think I could justify every teams place.

I think your way off

No way the Rams look for a QB with Bradford there. And he hasnt looked that bad given he has had no WR weapons until the got Llyod for him. THey need somebody else at WR to stop him being Double teams. There isnt a chance they look for a new QB

The Raiders gave away a third rounde rofr Prior in the supplemental draft and two first rounders for Palmer there again in no way in the world they look at a "franchies" QB

Bills are committed to Fitzpatrick agian no way thye look beyond him.

Stev_o

vinny chase wrote: »

For me; the following teams would certainly consider drafting a franchise QB if he fell into their lap:

Indianapolis Colts-no brainer for me, Peyton's injury and the terrible play of his back ups, mean they have to be in the market for the future
Miami Dolphins-they're probably a little impressed with the play of Matt Moore in recent weeks, but they'd still be crazy not to consider Luck, Griffin, Barkley or even Landry Jones if he's available to them.
Washington Redskins-can't see them entering another season with Sexy Rexy or John Beck at the helm
Kansas City Chiefs-Cassel has been inconsistent in his time there, the decision to claim Orton obviously shows a lack of faith in Palko; wouldn't be surprised to see them strongly consider a franchise QB if available
St Louis Rams-Controversial I know, but Bradford has had his struggles. To be honest I'd consider this unlikely (likelier to be in the market for Blackmon or Jeffery), but wouldn't call it impossible.
Denver Broncos-No matter what they say they aren't 100% behind Tebow. That Brady Quinn can't force himself ahead of Tebow says everything. I think they'll be in the market for a QB next year.
Oakland Raiders-They've spent some draft picks acquiring Jason Campbell and more recently Carson Palmer, but neither is the long term future of the franchise. Don't think they'll be in a position to have a crack at one of the biggest names, but I do think they're on the lookout for a QB.
Buffalo Bills-Fitzpatrick looked hot at the start of the year, but he's petering out as teams seem to be working him out. I think Buffalo are another team looking for a QB.
New York Jets-Huge amount of money invested in Sanchez, but it's clear as day that people in the Jets organisation don't have absolute faith in Mark Sanchez as the guy to lead them to the promised land. Like the Rams, I think this one is unlikely, but stranger things have happened.


I know I've put some controversial enough teams on that list, but I think I could justify every teams place.

It's such a interesting list cause I don't think this is the case of the past 2 years where there was a number of teams that needed a franchise QB or face having another crap season with a old timer. This year it seems that only the Colts are in the position where it's do or die everyone else has had a QB under centre that has played well for a time.

Definitely think the Jets will make a move especially when there could be 4 quality QB's available.

I think the Raiders are out of the first round race unless they manage to sell every pick for the next 20 years (Wouldn't be surprised).

vinny chase

D3PO wrote: »

I think your way off

No way the Rams look for a QB with Bradford there. And he hasnt looked that bad given he has had no WR weapons until the got Llyod for him. THey need somebody else at WR to stop him being Double teams. There isnt a chance they look for a new QB

The Raiders gave away a third rounde rofr Prior in the supplemental draft and two first rounders for Palmer there again in no way in the world they look at a "franchies" QB

Bills are committed to Fitzpatrick agian no way thye look beyond him.

Well maybe if you actually read the post you'd see that I stated almost everything you said. I said it was extremely unlikely the Rams would pursue a QB (and that they'd be likelier to pursue a WR) but that they still belong in the discussion, I said the Raiders would be in a difficult place to pursue one because of how much they gave away to acquire their existing QB's and I stated the Bills commitment to Fitzpatrick.

vinny chase

Stev_o wrote: »

It's such a interesting list cause I don't think this is the case of the past 2 years where there was a number of teams that needed a franchise QB or face having another crap season with a old timer. This year it seems that only the Colts are in the position where it's do or die everyone else has had a QB under centre that has played well for a time.

Definitely think the Jets will make a move especially when there could be 4 quality QB's available.

I think the Raiders are out of the first round race unless they manage to sell every pick for the next 20 years (Wouldn't be surprised).

Agreement.

I'd imagine the Jaguars and the Vikings are looking at Luck, Barkley, Griffin and Landry Jones and thinking to themselves they may have jumped the gun a bit by pursuing Ponder & Gabbert the way they did a year ago. Impossible to know about the Titans and Jake Locker since he has played so little.

This year's QB class would certainly seem to be superior to last years in terms of overall talent (even with the exceptional Cam Newton).

vinny chase

vinny chase wrote: »

For me; the following teams would certainly consider drafting a franchise QB if he fell into their lap:

Indianapolis Colts-no brainer for me, Peyton's injury and the terrible play of his back ups, mean they have to be in the market for the future
Miami Dolphins-they're probably a little impressed with the play of Matt Moore in recent weeks, but they'd still be crazy not to consider Luck, Griffin, Barkley or even Landry Jones if he's available to them.
Washington Redskins-can't see them entering another season with Sexy Rexy or John Beck at the helm
Kansas City Chiefs-Cassel has been inconsistent in his time there, the decision to claim Orton obviously shows a lack of faith in Palko; wouldn't be surprised to see them strongly consider a franchise QB if available
St Louis Rams-Controversial I know, but Bradford has had his struggles. To be honest I'd consider this unlikely (likelier to be in the market for Blackmon or Jeffery), but wouldn't call it impossible.
Denver Broncos-No matter what they say they aren't 100% behind Tebow. That Brady Quinn can't force himself ahead of Tebow says everything. I think they'll be in the market for a QB next year.
Oakland Raiders-They've spent some draft picks acquiring Jason Campbell and more recently Carson Palmer, but neither is the long term future of the franchise. Don't think they'll be in a position to have a crack at one of the biggest names, but I do think they're on the lookout for a QB.
Buffalo Bills-Fitzpatrick looked hot at the start of the year, but he's petering out as teams seem to be working him out. I think Buffalo are another team looking for a QB.
New York Jets-Huge amount of money invested in Sanchez, but it's clear as day that people in the Jets organisation don't have absolute faith in Mark Sanchez as the guy to lead them to the promised land. Like the Rams, I think this one is unlikely, but stranger things have happened.


I know I've put some controversial enough teams on that list, but I think I could justify every teams place.

Also, should have included the Arizona Cardinals, Seattle Seahawks and Cleveland Browns in this list as well.

D3PO

vinny chase wrote: »

Well maybe if you actually read the post you'd see that I stated almost everything you said. I said it was extremely unlikely the Rams would pursue a QB (and that they'd be likelier to pursue a WR) but that they still belong in the discussion, I said the Raiders would be in a difficult place to pursue one because of how much they gave away to acquire their existing QB's and I stated the Bills commitment to Fitzpatrick.

you also said the Raiders are on a lookout for a QB and Im telling you they arent. They see Prior as their future right now.

as for the Bills you are contradicting yourself. You cant say they are committed to Fitzpatrick on one hand and on the other say they are on the lookout for a BQ. Im telling you they are not on the lookout that is different to what your saying.

Likewise the Rams you cant say they would condier a QB and say its unlikey they would consider a QB. Its one or the other.

Maybe if you posted coherently then others wouldnt have to tell you why they disagree with your post.

so next time before you think of being a smart arse when replying actually reread your pos tand how the response relates to it.

D3PO

vinny chase wrote: »

This year's QB class would certainly seem to be superior to last years in terms of overall talent (even with the exceptional Cam Newton).

Lets not forget Dalton who I arguably believe had delivered more as a QB that Newton as a rookie.

that argment is for another day however.

but clearly next years QB class looks far superior.

Luck, Barklay, RG3, Ryan Tannehill, Kellen Moore amongst others sheesh !!

Stev_o

Actually while it may seem crazy to say teams like Rams and Bills are in the hunt the fact is this is the best year EVER to draft and rookie QB due to the CBA. Your not going to be spending 60 million on them. What was Newtons contract 26 million or so ?

vinny chase

D3PO wrote: »

you also said the Raiders are on a lookout for a QB and Im telling you they arent. They see Prior as their future right now.

as for the Bills you are contradicting yourself. You cant say they are committed to Fitzpatrick on one hand and on the other say they are on the lookout for a BQ. Im telling you they are not on the lookout that is different to what your saying.

Likewise the Rams you cant say they would condier a QB and say its unlikey they would consider a QB. Its one or the other.

Maybe if you posted coherently then others wouldnt have to tell you why they disagree with your post.

so next time before you think of being a smart arse when replying actually reread your pos tand how the response relates to it.

I'm telling you neither of us know what the Raiders are thinking. Stop being absolutely ridiculous. It's a theory based on what they currently have and what they've done in the past. How do you speak so definitively for the Raiders front office?

Nobody has seen anything of Terrelle Pryor yet, so to say he's definitely the franchise future of the Raiders is a ridiculous conjecture at this early stage.

It's also ironic to be told off about posting coherently by someone who has more typos in the average sentence than most posters will have in over 1,000 posts.

To clarify for you again since you seem to be having some real struggles here:

I stated that both the Rams and the Bills are certainly at least in a position where they would consider drafting a franchise QB if the option presented itself to them. Whilst I stated it was unlikely, there is still a possibility. If you read the opening line of my original post on this, this would have been obvious to you.

Maybe before you decide to start jumping down people's throats about their opinions and telling people to post coherently you should consider a remedial English class.

D3PO

vinny chase wrote: »

I'm telling you neither of us know what the Raiders are thinking. Stop being absolutely ridiculous. It's a theory based on what they currently have and what they've done in the past. How do you speak so definitively for the Raiders front office?

Nobody has seen anything of Terrelle Pryor yet, so to say he's definitely the franchise future of the Raiders is a ridiculous conjecture at this early stage.

It's also ironic to be told off about posting coherently by someone who has more typos in the average sentence than most posters will have in over 1,000 posts.

To clarify for you again since you seem to be having some real struggles here:

I stated that both the Rams and the Bills are certainly at least in a position where they would consider drafting a franchise QB if the option presented itself to them. Whilst I stated it was unlikely, there is still a possibility. If you read the opening line of my original post on this, this would have been obvious to you.

Maybe before you decide to start jumping down people's throats about their opinions and telling people to post coherently you should consider a remedial English class.

Did I say Prior is the Raiders future for certain ? Show me where I said that ? I said they see him currently as the future.

If you have spend two first rounders or a first and a second pending results on a QB and then spend a third rounder on a QB to develop you dont then go and draft another QB. I dont need to know the Raiders front office plans to be able to apply some proper logic to the situation. Even Al Davis RIP wasnt that stupid.

The Rams are not in a position to consider drafting a franchise QB. Its absurd to think the Rams bail on Bradford seriously you might be trying to be contrversial for the sake of it but there is no logic at all in what your saying.

Both the Rams and the Bills are numerous positions of need well above QB so they will not look at QB. But if you want to back up your argument show me a mock draft based on the current drafting positiosn of teams and whos me how it pans out.

Id loVe for you to show me how either the Bills , Raiders or Rams end up drafting a QB as a franchise QB.

I guess the fact you have to focus on my spelling speaks volumes for your argument mind you.

menu14

vinny chase wrote: »

Agreement.

I'd imagine the Jaguars and the Vikings are looking at Luck, Barkley, Griffin and Landry Jones and thinking to themselves they may have jumped the gun a bit by pursuing Ponder & Gabbert the way they did a year ago. Impossible to know about the Titans and Jake Locker since he has played so little.

This year's QB class would certainly seem to be superior to last years in terms of overall talent (even with the exceptional Cam Newton).

As a Jaguars fan I would imagine there is an extremely slim chance that they are looking at a QB. They seem to really like what they have in Gabbert. He is only 21 and a 2 year starter in College. He was meant to sit for a couple of years but that wasn't possible with what happened in the off season. He actually looked better against the Browns (#1 Pass Defence) last week than he has all season. He also doesn't throw many interceptions and has the worst WR's in the league in fairness. Although I did like Dalton the most coming out of College in the past Draft. I get the feeling the Jags (if they can) will get Blackmon be it from losing of trading up.

D3PO

menu14 wrote: »

As a Jaguars fan I would imagine there is an extremely slim chance that they are looking at a QB. They seem to really like what they have in Gabbert. He is only 21 and a 2 year starter in College. He was meant to sit for a couple of years but that wasn't possible with what happened in the off season. He actually looked better against the Browns (#1 Pass Defence) last week than he has all season. He also doesn't throw many interceptions and has the worst WR's in the league in fairness. Although I did like Dalton the most coming out of College in the past Draft. I get the feeling the Jags (if they can) will get Blackmon be it from losing of trading up.

It should be added that his top WR weapon Jason Hill is at best an average reciever.

People seem to always jump on the QB's when things are bad.

Gabbert has little to assist him in the passing game except for play action due to MJD.

I think given the circumstances Gabbert has looked promising. Only time will tell but hes not playing in a way that would have the Jags think they need to look at a QB.

vinny chase

D3PO wrote: »

Did I say Prior is the Raiders future for certain ? Show me where I said that ? I said they see him currently as the future.

If you have spend two first rounders or a first and a second pending results on a QB and then spend a third rounder on a QB to develop you dont then go and draft another QB. I dont need to know the Raiders front office plans to be able to apply some proper logic to the situation. Even Al Davis RIP wasnt that stupid.

The Rams are not in a position to consider drafting a franchise QB. Its absurd to think the Rams bail on Bradford seriously you might be trying to be contrversial for the sake of it but there is no logic at all in what your saying.

Both the Rams and the Bills are numerous positions of need well above QB so they will not look at QB. But if you want to back up your argument show me a mock draft based on the current drafting positiosn of teams and whos me how it pans out.

Id lvoe for you to show me how either the Bills , Raiders or Rams end up drafting a QB as a franchise QB.

Here are articles from the Washington Post, the Pigskin Report, Turfshow Times and some other blogs all stating that the Rams should consider drafting an elite franchise QB if they were in a position to do so. It's hardly a complete dreamland point. If they were sitting in the top couple of picks and they saw a guy like Andrew Luck as an option (and they felt he was better than Bradford) they could draft him and trade on Sam Bradford. Not completely out of left field.

vinny chase

menu14 wrote: »

As a Jaguars fan I would imagine there is an extremely slim chance that they are looking at a QB. They seem to really like what they have in Gabbert. He is only 21 and a 2 year starter in College. He was meant to sit for a couple of years but that wasn't possible with what happened in the off season. He actually looked better against the Browns (#1 Pass Defence) last week than he has all season. He also doesn't throw many interceptions and has the worst WR's in the league in fairness. Although I did like Dalton the most coming out of College in the past Draft. I get the feeling the Jags (if they can) will get Blackmon be it from losing of trading up.

No, I didn't include the Jaguars in my list above, I simply mentioned them in response to something another poster said. I made the point that some teams may have felt they jumped the gun in moving up last year to draft the 1st Round talents they picked, and I used the example of Gabbert and Christian Ponder, when perhaps the smarter move might have been to leave Garrard and McNabb there for the year and then have a play at some of the QB's available in this year's draft class. It's a matter of opinion though as to whether or not you consider this year's class better than last years, but personally speaking, I'd probably rather have Robert Griffin, Matt Barkley or Andrew Luck than Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder.

D3PO

vinny chase wrote: »

Here are articles from the Washington Post, the Pigskin Report, Turfshow Times and some other blogs all stating that the Rams should consider drafting an elite franchise QB if they were in a position to do so. It's hardly a complete dreamland point. If they were sitting in the top couple of picks and they saw a guy like Andrew Luck as an option (and they felt he was better than Bradford) they could draft him and trade on Sam Bradford. Not completely out of left field.

If you look hard enough you can find comentators that back up your argument

I could point to Skip Bayliss and say Tebow will be an elite NFL QB doesnt make it realistic though does it ?

You could argue that any team including the Packers or New England would draft a QB if Luck fell to them and your right but the point is he wont. Hes going to the Colts end of story.

QB is not a position of need for the Rams. Bradford has not looked like he cannot be the future for them so they will address positions of need to build a better team.

rich1874

Yes to Luck, was hoping Cincy would have a nice 1-15 season so they could get him, but i'm happy enough with how Dalton is progressing, will he (Luck) go to Indianapolis?

Syferus

D3PO wrote: »

If you look hard enough you can find comentators that back up your argument

I could point to Skip Bayliss and say Tebow will be an elite NFL QB doesnt make it realistic though does it ?

You could argue that any team including the Packers or New England would draft a QB if Luck fell to them and your right but the point is he wont. Hes going to the Colts end of story.

QB is not a position of need for the Rams. Bradford has not looked like he cannot be the future for them so they will address positions of need to build a better team.

Unless you get Luck I think it's madness giving up on Bradford after he showed last year that he has all the tools needed to be a success in the NFL. Even then it's a huge reach. If they did replace him I could see Bradford breaking out in his third year (under a similar system) like Safford and the Rams having alot of egg on their face. Can't understand the people clamouring for the Rams to replace Bradford.

D3PO

vinny chase wrote: »

No, I didn't include the Jaguars in my list above, I simply mentioned them in response to something another poster said. I made the point that some teams may have felt they jumped the gun in moving up last year to draft the 1st Round talents they picked, and I used the example of Gabbert and Christian Ponder, when perhaps the smarter move might have been to leave Garrard and McNabb there for the year and then have a play at some of the QB's available in this year's draft class. It's a matter of opinion though as to whether or not you consider this year's class better than last years, but personally speaking, I'd probably rather have Robert Griffin, Matt Barkley or Andrew Luck than Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder.

Firstly RG3 wasnt highly regarded this time last year. His stock has risen big time due to

a) Cam Newton showing what this kind of QB can do in the NFL and

b) His performances this year that are significantly improved on what he did last year for Baylor.

Teams dont have crystal balls, they dont know where they would be drafting so they could end up in a position where they missed out last year and missed out this year.

Teams were high on Gabbert last year to the point he was touted as the number 1 pick for a long time.

Its easy to look back in hindsight. Im sure the Chargers would have done so for Ryan Leaf the Raiders for Russell etc etc

vinny chase

D3PO wrote: »

If you look hard enough you can find comentators that back up your argument

I could point to Skip Bayliss and say Tebow will be an elite NFL QB doesnt make it realistic though does it ?

You could argue that any team including the Packers or New England would draft a QB if Luck fell to them and your right but the point is he wont. Hes going to the Colts end of story.

QB is not a position of need for the Rams. Bradford has not looked like he cannot be the future for them so they will address positions of need to build a better team.

Andrew Luck is such an elite talent, that it's likely almost any NFL team would have to seriously consider him if he fell to them. Including the Patriots, or the Saints. Possibly not the Packers, because of Rodgers' relative youth, but any other team would seriously consider him.

D3PO

rich1874 wrote: »

Yes to Luck, was hoping Cincy would have a nice 1-15 season so they could get him, but i'm happy enough with how Dalton is progressing, will he (Luck) go to Indianapolis?

Unless a team does a major trade up then yes he will end up a Colt.

Personally I think Barkley will end up the best QB in this current class, but only time will tell.

Id rather play poker sound it out that Im sold on Luck and get as much as I can and trade down to pick up Barkley and get some tools to get Manning another shot at a ring than get in Luck but it aint gonna happen.

vinny chase

D3PO wrote: »

Firstly RG3 wasnt highly regarded this time last year. His stock has risen big time due to

a) Cam Newton showing what this kind of QB can do in the NFL and

b) His performances this year that are significantly improved on what he did last year for Baylor.

Teams dont have crystal balls, they dont know where they would be drafting so they could end up in a position where they missed out last year and missed out this year.

Teams were high on Gabbert last year to the point he was touted as the number 1 pick for a long time.

Its easy to look back in hindsight. Im sure the Chargers would have done so for Ryan Leaf the Raiders for Russell etc etc

Are you being deliberately stupid or obtuse this morning for some reason?!

I accept teams were high on Gabbert, so with him it's probably a case of hindsight being 20-20; but they didn't have to pull the trigger on that deal at that point.

The Vikings reached a bit when moving for Ponder though, and it's possible the Titans did the same when moving for Locker. It was being clearly stated around draft time last April that some teams might consciously pass on the 2011 Draft Class because of the talent of some of the players expected to be in the 2012 Class. It was stated at the time that the Redskins had followed this strategy. Bucky Brooks stated this in about three different articles on nfl.com over this period as well.

FWIW-I don't need you to point out anything either about Robert Griffin. I watch just as much (if not more I'd imagine) football than you do.

jack presley

I'm wary of the hype around Barkley. Ok his stats at good and he looks good on tape but so did Leinhart, Sanchez and Palmer before him and none of them set the NFL on fire. What is it with USC QBs not living up to the hype?

And I know Palmer had one great season and Sanchez has been in 2 AFC title games but I don't think anyone would say they're elite QBs

Syferus

D3PO wrote: »

Unless a team does a major trade up then yes he will end up a Colt.

Personally I think Barkley will end up the best QB in this current class, but only time will tell.

Id rather play poker sound it out that Im sold on Luck and get as much as I can and trade down to pick up Barkley and get some tools to get Manning another shot at a ring than get in Luck but it aint gonna happen.

It's probably a safer bet to get Luck and keep him since this season showed you how reliant the Colts are on a franchise QB. They still have plenty of impact players that can at least put them immediately back into play-off contention next year with a few good off-season acquisitions without having to risk shipping their cast-iron future QB in Luck. It depends on how wild other teams are about Luck, though.

vinny chase

jack presley wrote: »

I'm wary of the hype around Barkley. Ok his stats at good and he looks good on tape but so did Leinhart, Sanchez and Palmer before him and none of them set the NFL on fire. What is it with USC QBs not living up to the hype?

And I know Palmer had one great season and Sanchez has been in 2 AFC title games but I don't think anyone would say they're elite QBs

A big part of the success of some USC QB's is because of the sheer talent of the guys they have around them. They were always in the higher end of the recruiting rankings, so those QB's were just surrounded by talent. Even this year, I've read some people saying that Barkley owes a lot of his success to the abilities of Robert Woods and Marquise Lee. Despite that; it didn't happen for John David Booty.

I would have considered Carson Palmer an elite QB for the majority of his time at the Bengals. If you're comparing Barkley to Sanchez or Leinart, I think his arm is considerably bigger than either of them, and he's probably shown significantly more leadership than either of them too.

D3PO

vinny chase wrote: »

Are you being deliberately stupid or obtuse this morning for some reason?!

I accept teams were high on Gabbert, so with him it's probably a case of hindsight being 20-20; but they didn't have to pull the trigger on that deal at that point.

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How do you know that ? How do you know they didnt have an idea that Garrards back was fooked to the point he wouldnt play this year ?

I thought it was mad to cut him, then soon after you hear hes having surgery do you really think that was just a coincidence ?

Id suggest they had a pretty good reason for drafting Gabbert last year.

vinny chase wrote: »

The Vikings reached a bit when moving for Ponder though, and it's possible the Titans did the same when moving for Locker. It was being clearly stated around draft time last April that some teams might consciously pass on the 2011 Draft Class because of the talent of some of the players expected to be in the 2012 Class. It was stated at the time that the Redskins had followed this strategy. Bucky Brooks stated this in about three different articles on nfl.com over this period as well.

FWIW-I don't need you to point out anything either about Robert Griffin. I watch just as much (if not more I'd imagine) football than you do

I dont disagree Ponder was a reach but then again they had intended to bench him to learn from McNaab they didnt know McNaab would be so bad and then get injured. Again 20-20 hindsight.

Yes they could have waited till this year to draft a QB but then again they clearly felt they wouldnt get another 2 perhaps 3 seasons out of McNaab which is completly understandable

as for pointing out about RG3 you intimated in your post they should have held out for a number of QBs and listed him as one of them as if he was on teams radars last year which he wasnt.

You can make up things for your argument like I somehow insinuated you didnt watch much college football or football in general but I didnt ever say that, but if making things up to bolster your argument (this is the second time you have done this thus far in this thread) then go right ahead.

I prefer to stick to the facts and logic, each to their own.

D3PO

jack presley wrote: »

I'm wary of the hype around Barkley. Ok his stats at good and he looks good on tape but so did Leinhart, Sanchez and Palmer before him and none of them set the NFL on fire. What is it with USC QBs not living up to the hype?

And I know Palmer had one great season and Sanchez has been in 2 AFC title games but I don't think anyone would say they're elite QBs

This is true and I might be wrong its just my opinion. At least you make a good argument to the contrary unlike others on here.

FWIW I was never impressed by Sanchez or Leinhart at USC but I do concede others were.

eagle eye

I said recently in another thread that this QB class is the most talented in a long time imo. I think Barkley is the best and could go on to be an elite QB at the next level, Luck is certain to make at the next level too and so is Griffin. Landry Jones is another who looks like he has all the tools be be excellent at the next level. And then there is Ryan Tannehill who reminds me a lot of Aaron Rodgers, he can get himself out of trouble and is so accurate on the run but until he gets to the NFL its hard to know just how good he is.

The guy I feel so sorry for is Kellen Moore. The guy is every bit as talented as the top 2 in the draft but his height is a huge problem.

Stev_o

Spread system guys are always taken with caution. Unless your going to play NO or GB you ll struggle finding a team operating under a similar system.

D3PO

eagle eye wrote: »

The guy I feel so sorry for is Kellen Moore. The guy is every bit as talented as the top 2 in the draft but his height is a huge problem.

True but he will get picked up and you wouldnt be surprised if he succeeds. I know its the usual thing trotted out about a shorter QB but if Drew Brees can do it Kellen Moore should be given an opportunity.

davyjose

eagle eye wrote: »

I said recently in another thread that this QB class is the most talented in a long time imo. I think Barkley is the best and could go on to be an elite QB at the next level, Luck is certain to make at the next level too and so is Griffin. Landry Jones is another who looks like he has all the tools be be excellent at the next level. And then there is Ryan Tannehill who reminds me a lot of Aaron Rodgers, he can get himself out of trouble and is so accurate on the run but until he gets to the NFL its hard to know just how good he is.

The guy I feel so sorry for is Kellen Moore. The guy is every bit as talented as the top 2 in the draft but his height is a huge problem.

It won't be a problem if he gets drafted for the right team. He might drop into the second or third round, but that fact has no major bearing on whether or not he makes it. It just means he'll earn less money as a rookie. Which is sometimes a blessing.

I don't think Barkley is as good as Luck now. He could be though, you're right. He's had a huge few weeks, and his stock is high, but Luck's accuracy and decision making is very, very sharp. It's good though. The hype machine is turning though, which is no bad thing for either player.

Peyton Manning

Bill Polian is personally attending Texas Tech - Baylor this week. Just saying...

ZonarySonic

Robert Griffin 3 is the player I am looking forward to the most. He is such a talented player great prospect.

davyjose

Cam Newton wrote: »

Bill Polian is personally attending Texas Tech - Baylor this week. Just saying...

If we draft RG3, I'll bawl my eyes out. Just saying...