Euro 2012 - Planning The Trip

Uncle Mclovin

Right. So I know theres already a thread for Euro 2012 but thats more about discussing the groups and other football related stuff.


Myself and about 9 of my friends are planning on heading over. The plan is to buy a 12 seat mini bus for around €2,000 and rip out a few seats for luggage. At the moment the idea is to drive to Dublin, ferry to England, ferry from Newcastle to Amsterdam. Drive it on from there. Camping looks the best our option as the trip will at least take 3 weeks.


So I'm wondering how do we go about getting tickets. Is it through UEFA or the FAI. Do we need to wait for the groups to be drawn on December 2nd? We're hoping to take in the three group games and then hopefully the quarter final.




Breakdown of cost (per person) for three weeks:




Purchase Of Mini Bus €200

Diesel For Bus €200

Tents €40

Campsite Cost €100

Ferries Dublin - Holyhead; Newcastle - Amsterdam €120

Drink & Food €650

Match Tickets (4 games) €160

Other Spending €200


Total €1,670


I realise I may be leaving out some essentials.

The idea of the thread is for people to give us an idea of how they're planning on getting over and what they expect to spend.

roryc

I've also been asking around about match ticket allocation. Anyone know exactly how this works? England generally have around 80,000 - 100,000 fans at these tournaments, and most don't actually get to go to a game.

While I don't expect there to be as much Irish fans, I doubt there will be enough tickets for everyone... Also I think 'bigger' countries get allocated more tickets, not sure if this is based on population size, number of travelling fans or previous tournament results/Fifa rankings.

As for actually purchasing the tickets, do the FAI supply them or do you get them over there?


Also great idea McLovin, camper van sounds awesome. I live in Spain but planning on meeting back up with a few mates from back home for this and doing something similar...

SantryRed

Was just looking at the logistics there and everything to do with Ukraine is a fcuking nightmare.

It's a 13 hour drive between the 2 cities if drawn in group B and it's a 10 hour drive between the two cities if drawn in group D.

Planning on interrailing next year but if we're drawn in Ukraine there'll be no chance in going there to catch a game. Will just head to Poland instead and see a different group instead.

Rhys Essien

Cool idea McLovin.Im envious already.

homerjay2005

Uncle Mclovin wrote: »

Myself and about 9 of my friends are planning on heading over. The plan is to buy a 12 seat mini bus for around €2,000 and rip out a few seats for luggage. At the moment the idea is to drive to Dublin, ferry to England, ferry from Newcastle to Amsterdam. Drive it on from there. Camping looks the best our option as the trip will at least take 3 weeks.

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would it not make more sense to buy one in poland and save all the costs on ferrys and expecially diesel? given the huge distances involved, you are talking big money, insurance, tolls etc etc.

im booked on aerlingus to warsaw on the sat morning, so ill need to change that if we get group a. i plan on maybe, hiring a bus over there and driving from a to b. my missus is from poland so her father is going to look into sorting things out, but i reckon its going to be a nightmare to get around there hence why we are looking at the bus option.

once the draw is made, it will be alot easier to plan.

Mr_Roger_Bongos

homerjay2005 wrote: »

b. my missus is from poland so her father is going to look into sorting things out, but i reckon its going to be a nightmare to get around there hence why we are looking at the bus option.

once the draw is made, it will be alot easier to plan.

Having a polish father in law would greatly assist buying a mini bus! But to the majority without, if you owned a minibus in either country, why would you sell it? (unless at a greatly inflated price) when you could ferry people round for cash and then sell it (if you were planning to do before hand).

Considering how tricky car purchases can be here, reliability, insurance, history etc, i'd imagine it's a nightmare in Poland! Minibuses even more so than cars.

Also OP - Do you know what the licensing/insurance requirements are to drive a minibus?

homerjay2005

Mr_Roger_Bongos wrote: »

Having a polish father in law would greatly assist buying a mini bus! But to the majority without, if you owned a minibus in either country, why would you sell it? (unless at a greatly inflated price) when you could ferry people round for cash and then sell it (if you were planning to do before hand).

Considering how tricky car purchases can be here, reliability, insurance, history etc, i'd imagine it's a nightmare in Poland! Minibuses even more so than cars.

Also OP - Do you know what the licensing/insurance requirements are to drive a minibus?

not yet, i aint looked into it, but i will. it all depends on the draw, if we are based in poland and only a small group of my friends go, i wont bother. getting from warsaw to lviv is doable over night in about 10 hours. i would hope to stay in my missus home town, but again, everything depends on the draw.

a word of advice, 2 new airports are being opened in the next few weeks, one is an army base thats being upgraded. ive heard ryanair are in there already, but thats only a rumour, could not be true also. that would open up new flights if it happens.

Fr Tod Umptious

homerjay2005 wrote: »

not yet, i aint looked into it, but i will. it all depends on the draw, if we are based in poland and only a small group of my friends go, i wont bother. getting from warsaw to lviv is doable over night in about 10 hours. i would hope to stay in my missus home town, but again, everything depends on the draw.

a word of advice, 2 new airports are being opened in the next few weeks, one is an army base thats being upgraded. ive heard ryanair are in there already, but thats only a rumour, could not be true also. that would open up new flights if it happens.

Any hints to the locations of these airports ?

Cannot afford the time or money to go to all games but would love to get to one and stay a day or two wither side of it, will still be pricey but I'll wait to see what the draw holds.

roryc

Here's a list of when and where each match will be played.

Looks like Poland are A1, and Ukraine are D1? So if we work out the groups randomly as below:



This would make Match Day 1 as follows:




etc, etc... f*cked if im working out the whole thing on a hypothetical

Really shows what big games there could be right from the start, with Germany in Pot 2, Portugal in Pot 3 and France in Pot 4. By the sounds of it we really want Group A. Poland seems like a better place for the fans and travel etc. Can we nail a 25% chance again!

My 'random' selection above is actually my dream group for Ireland. I don't think there's much between Sweden and Greece, but Swedish game would be much more open. And of course there's this...


Tickets

Apply through FAI by the sound of this.

Ticket prices range from €30 - €600


Stadiums

premierstone

roryc wrote: »

If we get drawn in A, all our games are in Wroclaw

B - Lyiv, Lyiv, Kharkiv

C - Poznan, Poznan, Gdansk

D - Donetsk, Kyiv, Donetsk (horrible)

Not neccesarily so, we are not automatically assigned as A4, B4, C4 OR D4, this is done on a seperate draw, the only ones set in stone are Poland as A1 and Ukraine as D1

tolosenc

Rory, Pot 2 doesn't mean you'll be in A2, likewise with Pots 3 and 4. Ideal situation is A4, but it's a 1 in 12 shot, not a 1 in 4.

Planning on getting a camper with a few mates, and then getting the boat to France and driving all the way. Nightmare situation is if our 1st game is in Kharkiv as the boat gets into France on the 5th and we'd have to drive 10 hours a day for 4 days to make it...

I think the tickets are already gone as the deadline on the UEFA site was March 31 2011. Stupid. I hope there'll be more released once the draw is made!

roryc

tolosenc wrote: »

Rory, Pot 2 doesn't mean you'll be in A2, likewise with Pots 3 and 4. Ideal situation is A4, but it's a 1 in 12 shot, not a 1 in 4.

Oops... pretty confusing tbh

Still hoping for Poland though, Ukraine stadiums seem massively far apart.

Surely they will run extra public transport (buses/trains etc) between the stadiums?

Uncle Mclovin

Nice post there Rory. The venues east of Lviv are almost out of reach. All venues in Poland and Lviv are very manageable.



HomerJay - the reason we're not flying is because the road trip will probably be the best part. We'll probably do a night in Newcastle and Amsterdam on the way. It's going to make for some summer.



I actually never even thought about the insurance for the bus. That could be an obstacle. Also if the bus breaks down in some little town in the middle of Ukraine god only knows what would happen. But sure you can't be worrying about those things.

roryc

I'd prefer to get drawn against Spain/Holland in Poland than ending up in Ukraine. Nightmare scenario is getting drawn in Pot B as it would mean either Spain or Holland being in our group. Total disaster is then getting seeded as B3! Lviv, Kharkiv, Lviv...

I don't think it will massively affect the Irish fans once we're over there, but the draw could make a big difference to the overall cost/enjoyment of the trip. Nobody wants to spend their time travelling over and back through Ukraine!

Perfect scenario is getting A4 or C1. All games in the one place in Poland. Think we have a 1/7 chance of getting one of these...

Any seed in Pot C isn't too bad, travelling between Poznan and Gdansk is only about 300k.

homerjay2005

ya if we get ukraine we really need to be in Lviv...

YouTookMyName

You might only get away with 7 seats and insurance as a people carrier.

Would love to do the same, it'd be some craic.

Roddy23

I think the tickets are already gone as the deadline on the UEFA site was March 31 2011. Stupid. I hope there'll be more released once the draw is made!

Ye, noticed that too on the UEFA site. Surely you could pick some up over there, and they will release more in the next few weeks??

Myself and my mates toying with the idea of heading over. Campervan over and back. Going to be one expensive trip, but a lifetime of memories.

munchkin_utd

ukraine mightnt be the worst.

If you take it in stages, it wouldnt be stressful to do it by train (with ample supply of cans in a coolbox....).
Kahrkov to Kiev is about 6 hours on a day train.
Kiev to Lviv is the same.
(id be suggesting to overnight in Kiev and break the journey and stretch the feet if going from Kharkov to Lviv)

To get to Ukraine you could fly to Budapest for cheap and from there theres a night train to Lviv which leaves at 18:40 and gets in at 10 in the morning.
(avoiding mad expensive flights into Ukraine itsself)

And heres the clincher!!

According to Seat 61
"Ukrainian rail fares are amazingly cheap by Western standards, and a typical long-distance overnight journey - for example Lviv to Kyïv - will cost in the region of £7 in platskartny, £10 in kupé and £20 in spalny vagon. The fares now include bedding."
http://www.seat61.com/Ukraine-trains.htm#Train times

and, overnight trains save you on having to find/ pay for accomodation!

Reaganomical

FAI will be entitled to 8% of tickets for each match. I expect they will be allocated as with Andorra and Estonia away trips to those who have travelled most frequently to away games.

The smallest stadium is Lviv at 34k; 8% of that is 2,700 odd tickets. More tickets would probably be attainable on a game-by-game basis provided we are not drawn in same group as one of the countries with significant travelling support (England, Nederlands, Germany) or the host nations (Pol/Ukr)

tolosenc

roryc wrote: »

Perfect scenario is getting A4 or C1. All games in the one place in Poland. Think we have a 1/7 chance of getting one of these...

Can't be C1 either, that'll be Spain or Holland!

homerjay2005

Reaganomical wrote: »

FAI will be entitled to 8% of tickets for each match. I expect they will be allocated as with Andorra and Estonia away trips to those who have travelled most frequently to away games.

The smallest stadium is Lviv at 34k; 8% of that is 2,700 odd tickets. More tickets would probably be attainable on a game-by-game basis provided we are not drawn in same group as one of the countries with significant travelling support (England, Nederlands, Germany) or the host nations (Pol/Ukr)

where you see that?

i would expect about 25% for each team.

ArmaniJeanss

tolosenc wrote: »

Can't be C1 either, that'll be Spain or Holland!

You sure - I think only A1 and D1 are preset for Poland and Ukraine.
I think Spain (and Holland) can still be drawn as any of B1,B2....C3,C4 for fixture purposes.

CSF

What was it like for Irish getting tickets in 2002? I know that isn't indicative of this time out but I'm just wondering.

Jimmy Iovine

homerjay2005 wrote: »

where you see that?

i would expect about 25% for each team.

Yea 8% seems way too low. Sure they'd never fill the stadiums at that rate then. Not too many Ukranians would be up to going to see Ireland v Greece I'd imagine.

munchkin_utd wrote: »

ukraine mightnt be the worst.

If you take it in stages, it wouldnt be stressful to do it by train (with ample supply of cans in a coolbox....).
Kahrkov to Kiev is about 6 hours on a day train.
Kiev to Lviv is the same.
(id be suggesting to overnight in Kiev and break the journey and stretch the feet if going from Kharkov to Lviv)

To get to Ukraine you could fly to Budapest for cheap and from there theres a night train to Lviv which leaves at 18:40 and gets in at 10 in the morning.
(avoiding mad expensive flights into Ukraine itsself)

And heres the clincher!!

According to Seat 61
"Ukrainian rail fares are amazingly cheap by Western standards, and a typical long-distance overnight journey - for example Lviv to Kyïv - will cost in the region of £7 in platskartny, £10 in kupé and £20 in spalny vagon. The fares now include bedding."
http://www.seat61.com/Ukraine-trains.htm#Train times

and, overnight trains save you on having to find/ pay for accomodation!

Absolutely brilliant link from you there. Scary to compare that price to a taxi here in Ireland.

Wouldn't be the worst thing then if we had to play our games in Ukraine. Sure a bit of sight-seeing across 800 kms never did anyone any harm.

Think of the amount of cans you could drink in that length. You'd get drunk and have sobered up by the time you go off the train :pac:.

premierstone

tolosenc wrote: »

Can't be C1 either, that'll be Spain or Holland!

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

You sure - I think only A1 and D1 are preset for Poland and Ukraine.
I think Spain (and Holland) can still be drawn as any of B1,B2....C3,C4 for fixture purposes.

Armani is right the only spots assigned are A1 and D1 all others are decided by a seperate draw afer the groups are drawn and seedings are irrelevant.

tolosenc

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

You sure - I think only A1 and D1 are preset for Poland and Ukraine.
I think Spain (and Holland) can still be drawn as any of B1,B2....C3,C4 for fixture purposes.

This is the 2008 draw:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWNd7FsDheI

Holland and Greece were in Pot 1 and were automatically given the 1 slot.

I read a thing on the uefa site suggesting it would work the same. Can't find the link, but I'll keep digging.

EDIT: Here we are: http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/news/newsid=1716622.html#euro+finals+draw+seedings+unveiled

UEFA wrote:

The draw will start with Pot 1 in order to fill position one in Groups B and C. The draw will continue with Pot 4, from which a team will be allocated to each group consecutively, from Group A to Group D. This procedure will then be repeated for Pot 3 and finally for Pot 2.

The position of each team within its group (2, 3 or 4) will also be determined during the draw.

UEFA General Secretary Gianni Infantino will conduct the draw, and the ceremony will be hosted by Olga Freimut and Piotr Sobczynski – two renowned TV presenters in the UEFA EURO 2012 host countries. The show will include three entertainment acts: the P. Virsky Ukrainian National Folk Dance Ensemble, Ukrainian singer Jamala and a surprise international artist.

Furthermore, and supporting the motto 'Creating History Together', UEFA has invited legendary players from all previous editions of the tournament to participate in the show. In addition, the official match ball of UEFA EURO 2012 will be unveiled during the ceremony.

bijapos

I've done this as a road trip a couple of times, going to festivals like Sziget and Exit and further afield. I've usually taken a minibus or coach, taken some seats out and driven it over one way.

If you're taking a minibus with 10 passengers you will need a drivers licence of category D1. You can go in a standard minibus with 8 passengers and the driver on a standard car licence. The problem with 10 people is that you will be limited to probably one driver on the D1 whereas with the ordinary licence you can have as many drivers driving the bus as you wish. I would also advise you change the log book from Minibus to private car to avoid any other hassle. Itss easily done by Shannon.

The police in other countries take documentation a lot more seriously than they do here, this also includes transit countries such as Holland, Belgium and Germany. I've no idea if they will relax all of this for the month of the tournament but I wouldn't bet on it, Ukrainian cops are not the nicest in my experience. Having said that the atmosphere all around Germany in 2006 was incredibly relaxed and to an extent anything went there that would not normally be tolerated.

I've usually taken a Mercedes 609-814 series mini bus, though there are plenty of Ford Transits around and they are a lot faster. Theres loads of space for gear and place for a couple of beds too in the Mercs. If you want to you can take an old chest freezer (not an ordinary one). If you chill it down on a campsite it will hold beer cold on its own for 3 days or so.

The main thing for me is that I've always sold the bus at the other end and just flown home, it works out cheaper in the long run and I've sometimes made a few bob in the process. Its fine to sell it in Poland as its a EU country, the Ukraine might be more complicated bureaucracy wise.

If you do decide to go over and back its usually cheaper to go via Cherbourg than to take a route via the UK. OP you should also look at prices via Dover, its a short run to Amsterdam from Calais, the Newcastle ferry can be a bit expensive.

born2bwild

Uncle Mclovin wrote: »

Nice post there Rory. The venues east of Lviv are almost out of reach. All venues in Poland and Lviv are very manageable.



HomerJay - the reason we're not flying is because the road trip will probably be the best part. We'll probably do a night in Newcastle and Amsterdam on the way. It's going to make for some summer.



I actually never even thought about the insurance for the bus. That could be an obstacle. Also if the bus breaks down in some little town in the middle of Ukraine god only knows what would happen. But sure you can't be worrying about those things.

Insurance in Ukraine? Badges? We don't need no stinking badges.
There is no insurance in Ukraine.
Bring bottles of Jameson to bribe cops - if you're drving they'll flag you down with their black and white sticks on the slightest pretext.
More fun than Poland, though.

CSF

Strongly considering going to this but just amn't sure whether tickets will be possible to get.

batistuta9

roryc wrote: »

My 'random' selection above is actually my dream group for Ireland. I don't think there's much between Sweden and Greece, but Swedish game would be much more open. And of course there's this...

good god

poland, italy, sweden would be a good group that would be easy on the eyes

parker kent

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Yea 8% seems way too low. Sure they'd never fill the stadiums at that rate then. Not too many Ukranians would be up to going to see Ireland v Greece I'd imagine.

A lot of Irish will already be guaranteed tickets for the group games from the allocation given last March. Then the hosts get a certain percentage and tickets for various sponsors, UEFA brown nosers etc.

yabadabado

homerjay2005 wrote: »

where you see that?

i would expect about 25% for each team.

The FAI will get 8% of the stadium capacity to distrbute.There was the Follow your Team tickets from the UEFA website where you were able to buy tickets,that deadline is now closed.

SantryRed

Would there be as much ticket demand for the likes of Spain or Holland games? Was planning on going the Euro regardless of Ireland's participation. If they're drawn in Ukraine I'm not even going to bother try go, but would like to catch a game or two at least.

Kidchameleon

Uncle Mclovin wrote: »

I realise I may be leaving out some essentials.

You sure did, tickets for the other three games!!!!

Anyhow that sounds like some trip, you'll remember it forever...

ArmaniJeanss

tolosenc wrote: »

This is the 2008 draw:

Holland and Greece were in Pot 1 and were automatically given the 1 slot.

I read a thing on the uefa site suggesting it would work the same. Can't find the link, but I'll keep digging.

Fair enough, seems clearcut. Looks like A4 is our golden ticket then with C2 ,C4 and A3 as our next best. Ukraine just looks really tricky.

SantryRed wrote: »

Would there be as much ticket demand for the likes of Spain or Holland games? Was planning on going the Euro regardless of Ireland's participation. If they're drawn in Ukraine I'm not even going to bother try go, but would like to catch a game or two at least.

The Dutch travel in their millions and are even more cunning than us when it comes to hunting down tickets. Spanish don't really travel at all, though that may change with all their recent success. They'll also probably be the ticket of choice for the neutral.
Ultimately I wouldn't let worries about ticket availability prevent travelling over if you can find everything else (flights, accomodation etc) at acceptable prices. The ticket thing tends to all come right in the end.

SantryRed

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

The Dutch travel in their millions and are even more cunning than us when it comes to hunting down tickets. Spanish don't really travel at all, though that may change with all their recent success. They'll also probably be the ticket of choice for the neutral.
Ultimately I wouldn't let worries about ticket availability prevent travelling over if you can find everything else (flights, accomodation etc) at acceptable prices. The ticket thing tends to all come right in the end.

As far as I'm aware interrailing is still the same price for next year and travel around Poland isn't restricted with it. So I'll be aiming for Gdansk and Warsaw when Poland aren't playing there. Buzzing

event

one thing about the OP's estimation.

€650 a man for three weeks food and drink?

so €200 a week for food and drink?
not a chance, you'll need a lot more than that

Foxx92

event wrote: »

one thing about the OP's estimation.

€650 a man for three weeks food and drink?

so €200 a week for food and drink?
not a chance, you'll need a lot more than that

What's wrong with that? If you budget anyway carefully, it can be easily done.

event

considering you'll probably go on the full lash for the games, i think ye'd spend more than that.

Foxx92

event wrote: »

considering you'll probably go on the full lash for the games, i think ye'd spend more than that.

Just going by my own spending I manage on 45-50 euro a week, that includes food for the week and doing out once a week (albeit with a lot of pre-drinking) Considering the OP is planning to go with a few other lads they could easily buy food in bulk for cheaper and do a big feed between them. Also if I can manage on 50 a week in an country that is considered expensive to live in, I'm sure the OP could manage it.

The Davestator

200 is a wild underestimate IMO. Take the last sun holidays you went on and I'll bet it was a multiple of 200 for food and drink no matter how cheap the country was. Sounds like a great trip though

Mr.Nice Guy

This sounds like a super idea. Fair play. :cool:

Jimmy Iovine

Don't forget that the Polish don't use the euro. They use the Zloty and the exchange rate as of tonight is: €1 = 4.45 Zloty.

The Ukranian's use the Hryvnia. Their exchange rate is a little bit more manageable at €1 = 10.78 Hryvnia.

When you get over there the likelihood that you'll be able to figure out on the spot what is cheapest or if you're being ripped-off is slim, unless you are up on your maths or are willing to carry a calculator. The chances are close to anorexic when you have a feed of pints in you.

A bit of planning and you should be alright though.

yabadabado

1.4 million tickets available in total for 31 games.

550,000 already sold (12 million applications for these).

448,000 for competing countries.

Officials, Sponsors, corporates, official travel etc will get the rest.

roryc

€200 a week is crazy. I'd be banking on min €500 per week.

As for time, the minimum you will need to be looking at is 11 days. All group games for each team will be played within 9 days, so with a day travelling either side you will be looking at 11+ days.

If (BIG IF) Ireland were to make it to the Quarter-finals, there's a good chance a lot of fans wouldn't be able to make it as you'd have to extend your trip by at least 5 or 6 days. And there's the extra hassle/cost of possibly travelling to/from Donetsk/Kharkiv.

This is yet another reason why we really need to hope we are in Group A! The winner and runner up in Group A will both stay in Poland for their quarter finals. And with Poland themselves in the group, we could have a good chance of bagging a runners up spot...

If we land in Group A I'm really going to start thinking Trap is God.

homerjay2005

whats the story with the tickets that are handed back by countries that didnt make it?

will they be put on open sale or to the people who missed out the first time?

Mr_Roger_Bongos

homerjay2005 wrote: »

whats the story with the tickets that are handed back by countries that didnt make it?

will they be put on open sale or to the people who missed out the first time?

The tickets aren't allocated until qualification. I.e. If I applied for 'Follow my team' and Ireland didn't qualify, I simple wouldn't be charged.

If i applied for individual matches, Ireland didn't qualify and i still didn't want the tickets, those will go on resale if returned.

Uncle Mclovin

bijapos wrote: »

I've done this as a road trip a couple of times, going to festivals like Sziget and Exit and further afield. I've usually taken a minibus or coach, taken some seats out and driven it over one way.

If you're taking a minibus with 10 passengers you will need a drivers licence of category D1. You can go in a standard minibus with 8 passengers and the driver on a standard car licence. The problem with 10 people is that you will be limited to probably one driver on the D1 whereas with the ordinary licence you can have as many drivers driving the bus as you wish. I would also advise you change the log book from Minibus to private car to avoid any other hassle. Itss easily done by Shannon.

The police in other countries take documentation a lot more seriously than they do here, this also includes transit countries such as Holland, Belgium and Germany. I've no idea if they will relax all of this for the month of the tournament but I wouldn't bet on it, Ukrainian cops are not the nicest in my experience. Having said that the atmosphere all around Germany in 2006 was incredibly relaxed and to an extent anything went there that would not normally be tolerated.

I've usually taken a Mercedes 609-814 series mini bus, though there are plenty of Ford Transits around and they are a lot faster. Theres loads of space for gear and place for a couple of beds too in the Mercs. If you want to you can take an old chest freezer (not an ordinary one). If you chill it down on a campsite it will hold beer cold on its own for 3 days or so.

The main thing for me is that I've always sold the bus at the other end and just flown home, it works out cheaper in the long run and I've sometimes made a few bob in the process. Its fine to sell it in Poland as its a EU country, the Ukraine might be more complicated bureaucracy wise.

If you do decide to go over and back its usually cheaper to go via Cherbourg than to take a route via the UK. OP you should also look at prices via Dover, its a short run to Amsterdam from Calais, the Newcastle ferry can be a bit expensive.

I think 6 would be the max that could really travel in an 8 seater minibus. It would just be way too cramped with anymore. Cheers for the heads up though. Its a good idea to change the log book from a mini bus to car. You'd also probably get away with cheaper ferries then I presume.


Selling it might be a good idea too or possibly even just leaving it there at the sign of cheap flights. I presume you'd get fairly cheap ryanair flights if you drove back as far as Germany, France or Holland.

newballsplease

Anyone that thinks food and drink can be afforded on 200euro a week is demented.

Uncle Mclovin

newballsplease wrote: »

Anyone that thinks food and drink can be afforded on 200euro a week is demented.

I'll do the math to show you I'm not demented.


12 * 500 ml can of Dutch Gold = €12 * 6 days drinking = €72

6 * 568 ml pint of Polish Beer = €9 * 6 days drinking = €54

Other unplanned drinking = €100

Total Drinking Money Per Week = €226



Food €10 a day * 7 days = €70


Net Spend = €296 (give or take a couple hundred euro)


Seriously though my initial post was a rough estimate. There wasn't much science behind it. It would be much more helpful if you gave a breakdown of what you reckon it would cost.

tolosenc

roryc wrote: »

If we land in Group A I'm really going to start thinking Trap is God.

He has firmly denied those allegations, but he may have been bluffing.