Why can't we start a Revolution?

UglyBolloxFace

I know I'm going to regret posting this in AH, but seriously, the time has come to do something about this.

Why, like a lot of citizens around the world, can't we stand up for our rights and have some ****ING dignity for ourselves?

Why do we bend over and let that **** Enda Kenny and the poxy EU shaft us into next week.

Why can't we at least feel a tad bit of respect for ourselves and go protest?

I am more than willing to go and protest - why not protest outside Kildare St. right at the heart of the problem, instead of camping outside Dame ****ING Street like a bunch of crusty hippies - this is achieving absolutely nothing. If we want change (and not in the Obama sense) we must strike outside the heart of government, and that is Kildare Street.

I have a feeling this post will attract the usual ****ing AH nonsense of "cool story bro" and the like, but let me tell you this - cop onto yourselves and stand up for what you believe in.

The people of Greece and elsewhere are laughing at us. The IMF and the EU are laughing at us - we need to make a stand; we need to make progression, and step out of this 'scared guinea pig' stage we are in at the moment.

So please have some respect for yourself and your fellow country people - express here your interest in protesting outside Kildare Street and making your voice heard.

Mods, move this to Politics if you wish, but I know the sensible people of AH will appreciate and embrace this.

- Ste

El Weirdo

Didn't you try to start your own protest the other week?

Didn't sound too dignified IIRC.

Edit: Found it.

bleg

I'm pretty happy. I've a good standard of living, have ready access to technology (which makes life incredibly easy) and I feel secure and safe.

Money is only money. If we show some solidarity with each other and donate time to one another we would be much better off than if we spent our time on the streets rabble rabbling.

Kasabian

We need a meeting to come up with a plan, here is where I see the initial problem.

Shattered Dreamer

Our society evolved from killing each other to solve problems to just bitching about our problems. Deal with it because it was for the best OP

RubyRoss

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

The people of Greece and elsewhere are laughing at us. The IMF and the EU are laughing at us - we need to make a stand

You're anger is understandable but I can't imagine either the Greeks or the IMF giving a damn about Ireland let lone laughing.

And if Irish people should protest, surely it shouldn't be out of a concern with how are being perceived?

UglyBolloxFace

El Weirdo wrote: »

Didn't you try to start your own protest the other week?

Didn't sound too dignified IIRC.

Edit: Found it.

I admit that was a terrible idea. But at least I'm not sitting on my hole complaining about the government but not bothering to do anything about it. Cop on.

crash davis

I don't know why we don't actually since we have such a long history of not tolerating rubbish. Maybe it has to do with our own insecurities as a nation: we fought for independence and now that we have it we think, "sure things are better now with our own people leading us, so let's just row in behind and accept it?"

sgb

OP nice rant

Who did you vote for in the last general election ?

UglyBolloxFace

Kasabian wrote: »

We need a meeting to come up with a plan, here is where I see the initial problem.

Well let's organise something?

The thing is, I remember somebody ages ago trying to sort something out, but nobody (and admittedly myself included) gave a shít about it.

Now is the time do cop on and do something about this - let's stop being the laughing stock of Europe.

If I organised something, Kasabian, could you commit?

PseudoFamous

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

The people of Greece and elsewhere are laughing at us.

No they're not, they're too busy crying about how nothing is their fault and refusing to admit that their own mistakes were the problem. Low level rail staff getting 80€K per annum, madness, akin to our own ESB staff.

Shattered Dreamer

sgb wrote: »

OP nice rant

Who did you vote for in the last general election ?

I'll guess they voted for either the current government or Sinn Fein lol

Killer Pigeon

Because this is Ireland, not Greece. Sure didn't we sit on our holes for 700 years and only then decide to start a proper uprising. Us Irish will never change.

bleg

And in fairness the Greeks aren't laughing at anybody. They're going through a very very tough time.

The EU and IMF have bigger fish to fry, Ireland is just a minor headache for them. Get real.

Kasabian

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Well let's organise something?

The thing is, I remember somebody ages ago trying to sort something out, but nobody (and admittedly myself included) gave a shít about it.

Now is the time do cop on and do something about this - let's top being the laughing stock of Europe.
If I organised something, Kasabian, could you commit?

I hope this was a typo

I am already commited

UglyBolloxFace

PseudoFamous wrote: »

No they're not, they're too busy crying about how nothing is their fault and refusing to admit that their own mistakes were the problem. Low level rail staff getting 80€K per annum, madness, akin to our own ESB staff.

I have studied abroad (and before anyone jumps in and says "well you must have got a loan for that - I used my own money and savings), and the Greeks who have become my friends have told me how during the riots they laughed and chanted "we are not Irish, we will not back down".

How do you think it felt for me to hear this? My own friends laughing at how spineless we are. We are a ****ing disgrace - we have no-one but ourselves to blame; we shouldn't have allowed this to happen.

policarp

We've no leaders and no guns. . .

Shattered Dreamer

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Well let's organise something?

The thing is, I remember somebody ages ago trying to sort something out, but nobody (and admittedly myself included) gave a shít about it.

Now is the time do cop on and do something about this - let's top being the laughing stock of Europe.

If I organised something, Kasabian, could you commit?

Let me guess it'll be either dirty hippy drum circle with tents or a protest which turns into scumbags looting shops. You people need to get real lol

UglyBolloxFace

Kasabian wrote: »

I hope this was a typo

I am already commited

Typo fixed:pac:

In what way are you committed?

bleg

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

I have studied abroad (and before anyone jumps in and says "well you must have got a loan for that - I used my own money and savings), and the Greeks who have become my friends have told me how during the riots they laughed and chanted "we are not Irish, we will not back down".

That worked out well for them.

Guy:Incognito

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

The people of Greece and elsewhere are laughing at us.

Thats because they are idiots. They want the government to keep spending money they dont have on all the stuff they want, while not wanting to pay taxes and gettign free money fromt he EU and not paying it back. Which part of that is sustainable?

Then to make matters worse they go rampaging aroudn destroying stuff they cant afford to fix.

El Weirdo

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

I admit that was a terrible idea. But at least I'm not sitting on my hole complaining about the government but not bothering to do anything about it. Cop on.

Never mind

UglyBolloxFace

Shattered Dreamer wrote: »

Let me guess it'll be either dirty hippy drum circle with tents or a protest which turns into scumbags looting shops. You people need to get real lol

Your attitude is exactly why we are in this mess.

Pete M.

Fcuk it Man, I'm trying.
It seems to be taking longer than you thought.
But it's going to happen. Don't worry. Be patient.
Just remember that every day you wake up, it's one day closer.

Duke Leonal Felmet

Historically, revolutions were triggered by some extreme pressure on food, usually the price of staples such as bread, corn, etc.

In otherwords, when peoples survival are threatened.

We are annoyed because we bought too many SUVs and holidays and now don't want to pay for it.

Not exactly revolution material.

bleg

Anyway to answer your question as to why we can't start a revolution, its because there's no appetite for one. We had an election 9 months ago and people nailed their colours to the mast then.

UglyBolloxFace

El Weirdo wrote: »

You were pissed.

I wasn't pissed - I was fuck-eyed.

But at least I had the instinct within me which was looking for change. Yes, I went about it the wrong way, which I fully admitted in that previous thread, but why can't we try to build on this and take the peaceful protest to Kildare St?

LighterGuy

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Why, like a lot of citizens around the world, can't we stand up for our rights and have some ****ING dignity for ourselves?
Why do we bend over and let that **** Enda Kenny and the poxy EU shaft us into next week.
Why can't we at least feel a tad bit of respect for ourselves and go protest?

Because sadly,
Ireland is full of as*holes. I know its been said before, but its true, and that the Irish are a bunch of moaners & begrudgers who will do nothing about anything. Its been proven time and time again.

UglyBolloxFace

bleg wrote: »

That worked out well for them.

Well 50% reduction in their debt, while little old bastard Ireland pays the full whack....yes, it did work out very well for them.

Shattered Dreamer

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Your attitude is exactly why we are in this mess.

Really? It's your completely retard "lets start a revolution" attitude that keeps us in the sh*tter. Rational people don't solve their problems with violence. If you think they do go live in the Middle East, you'd love it there.

opinion guy

Cool story bro

UglyBolloxFace

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Thats because they are idiots. They want the government to keep spending money they dont have on all the stuff they want, while not wanting to pay taxes and gettign free money fromt he EU and not paying it back. Which part of that is sustainable?

Then to make matters worse they go rampaging aroudn destroying stuff they cant afford to fix.

Educate yourself - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15592957

UglyBolloxFace

Pete M. wrote: »

Fcuk it Man, I'm trying.
It seems to be taking longer than you thought.
But it's going to happen. Don't worry. Be patient.
Just remember that every day you wake up, it's one day closer.

Help me man. Help me understand and not lose the will. How are we getting closer?

What is stopping a few of us heading upto Kildare St. and staying there and making our thoughts felt? - honestly, somebody please tell me what is stopping us going up there and staging a protest??

PseudoFamous

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

How do you think it felt for me to hear this? My own friends laughing at how spineless we are. We are a ****ing disgrace - we have no-one but ourselves to blame; we shouldn't have allowed this to happen.

I'm sure they're laughing all the way to whatever the dole is called in Greece. And they'll probably be laughing even harder when booted from the EU for having uncontrollable debt.

UglyBolloxFace

Shattered Dreamer wrote: »

Really? It's your completely retard "lets start a revolution" attitude that keeps us in the sh*tter. Rational people don't solve their problems with violence. If you think they do go live in the Middle East, you'd love it there.

So in your eyes Revolution = Violence? Again I will say "it is attitudes like yours that have us in this mess".

Guy:Incognito

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Educate yourself - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15592957

You said the Greek poeple are laughign at us. They are out protesting and wreckign the place because they dont want austerity measures imposed. I dotn see what you link does to dispute that other than to further weaken the case for a revolution. The Greeks are protestign and rioting , causing millions worth of damage that needs to be paid for, yet still getting the cuts. So alreayd we are millions of euro up on the Greeks by just doing nothign and still int he same position.

bleg

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Help me man. Help me understand and not lose the will. How are we getting closer?

What is stopping a few of us heading upto Kildare St. and staying there and making our thoughts felt? - honestly, somebody please tell me what is stopping us going up there and staging a protest??

Well it's not common sense anyway!

Shattered Dreamer

Being a rational human being is bad in your eyes then I'm guessing? For the record by "peaceful protest" do you mean sitting around in tents drinking cans with your mates with your iPhones & iPads holding up banners saying "down with consumerism", whenever you get hungry somebody goes on a run to Starbucks for overpriced coffee & cookies & then after a few days when you're low on money you ring "Mummy & Daddy" to put more money into your ATM? Yeah man you guys are changing the world. Good for you! Viva la Revolution

Guy:Incognito

PseudoFamous wrote: »

I'm sure they're laughing all the way to whatever the dole is called in Greece. And they'll probably be laughing even harder when booted from the EU for having uncontrollable debt.

They'd be laughing a bit harder if they were Irish cos their dole would be nearly doubled (it's €450ish a month there)

Stocking Drinks Whiskey

Because people have others things to worry about, they have their jobs, their family to look after and so on, they don't have the free time to piss away on this type of thing.

PseudoFamous

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

They'd be laughing a bit harder if they were Irish cos their dole would be nearly doubled (it's €450ish a month there)

Living expenses are almost halved, too.

Jopari87

If you are going to start a revolution, following the Greek example is not the way to go. That country is ****ed for the foreseeable future.

UglyBolloxFace

Shattered Dreamer wrote: »

Being a rational human being is bad in your eyes then I'm guessing? For the record by "peaceful protest" do you mean sitting around in tents drinking cans with your mates with your iPhones & iPads holding up banners saying "down with consumerism", whenever you get hungry somebody goes on a run to Starbucks for overpriced coffee & cookies & then after a few days when you're low on money you ring "Mummy & Daddy" to put more money into your ATM? Yeah man you guys are changing the world. Good for you! Viva la Revolution

You seem to be describing those Occupy Dame Street hippies, to whom I have absolutely no affiliation. I have already aired my views on them - they are a bunch of wasters with ulterior motives who should be protesting outside Kildare St. instead of the Central Bank.

They are achieving absolutely nothing outside that place. Nobody gives a shíte about what they are attempting to do.

And I agree with your sentiment - I was outside there a few weeks ago heading for my bus and saw one holding an anti-capitalist sign in one hand whilst texting on his iPhone with the other - these people cannot be taken seriously.

I watch with interest, however, to see how their march tomorrow goes (and I admit I am thinking about heading along to it to see what they are on about) but I just think they are going about this the wrong way completely.

KKkitty

Shattered Dreamer wrote: »

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Your attitude is exactly why we are in this mess.

Really? It's your completely retard "lets start a revolution" attitude that keeps us in the sh*tter. Rational people don't solve their problems with violence. If you think they do go live in the Middle East, you'd love it there.

Sorry but the OP didn't mention violence in anyway shape or form. Many are genuinely suffering because of the mistakes of previous governments also. The two past taoisigh were former ministers for finance so knew exactly what was going on but still let it happen to the detriment of this country.

policarp

Revelution might start by not paying TV licences.

44leto

A revolution to install our new leader "UglyBolloxFace" I like it, it would be good for a laugh, I'm game.

Shattered Dreamer

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

I watch with interest, however, to see how their march tomorrow goes (and I admit I am thinking about heading along to it to see what they are on about) but I just think they are going about this the wrong way completely.

Then what's your master plan then because when you're trying to "start a revolution" you have 2 options peaceful protest or riot & I assure you neither will work. If you want to change things in a Capitalist society you have to become one of the rich people because it is they & not the government who call the shots.

UglyBolloxFace

policarp wrote: »

Revelution might start by not paying TV licences.

I know you are probably joking and thanks-whoring, but this is a good example - we should seriously think of this. They can't jail us all for non-payment of the licence fee, and think of it this way - the overpayment of RTE presenters etc, whether you want to admit it or not, must have played a slight part in us running out of money.

darlett

Pete M. wrote: »

Fcuk it Man, I'm trying.
It seems to be taking longer than you thought.
But it's going to happen. Don't worry. Be patient.
Just remember that every day you wake up, it's one day closer.

Is this in Haku form??

Bobby Baccala

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

I know you are probably joking and thanks-whoring, but this is a good example - we should seriously think of this. They can't jail us all for non-payment of the licence fee, and think of it this way - the overpayment of RTE presenters etc, whether you want to admit it or not, must have played a slight part in us running out of money.

You joking?

LighterGuy

Homer from The Simpsons:

"Can't someone else do it"

Irish People:

"Can't someone else do it"