Catholic Voxpop in Dublin.

FinnLizzy

This piece is from an American conservative 'RealCatholicTV'. It's basically a voxpop that asks randomers if they go to mass or if they're Catholics.

What's funny about it is that the interviewer is a real pious bast@rd, and he's fawning over the situation. But if you watch the video, the answers basically reflect general public's attitude towards Catholicism.

I'm happy with the answers, but sad that so many people have to satisfy their parent's irrational, 'á la carte' commitment to such an institution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaGj1rJdPKo

Galvasean

Weird how out of nowhere he jumps to talking about the gay people. Some of these religious nuts are really obsessed with with what gay people get up to. It's really quite bizarre.
He also never made the connection in that a massive reason for the lack of faith shown among Irish people has everything to do with the RCC's own hierarchy pissing us off.

FinnLizzy

Galvasean wrote: »

Weird how out of nowhere he jumps to talking about the gay people. Some of these religious nuts are really obsessed with with what gay people get up to. It's really quite bizarre.
He also never made the connection in that a massive reason for the lack of faith shown among Irish people has everything to do with the RCC's own hierarchy pissing us off.

What are you talking about? The Catholic Church is righteous and true! We should be ashamed as to where we put our penises, not them! :pac:

robindch

Galvasean wrote: »

He also never made the connection in that a massive reason for the lack of faith shown among Irish people has everything to do with the RCC's own hierarchy pissing us off.

The problem's just the hierarchy?

What about all the people who decided that the church's dogmas are nonsense?

Give 'em a bit of credit!

chin_grin

So the summary is that people go to mass to appease their parents. Ah d'hokey.

Also could someone please translate the guy at 3:46. Hilarious.

Oh wait I think it's "idonreallygetanythingoutofit". :pac:

The end blurb just gives me hope (not the homophobic bit, he's a c*nt for that), but stating that in the next forty years it could be gone. Too right!

AhSureTisGrand

Wonder does he realise that outside Trinity college must be one of the least Catholic places in in the republic... If he asked these questions in Thurles the answers would be very different.

Would have been cool if he had headed over to the Central Bank and chatted to the emos

Galvasean

He really needs to buy one of these bad boys,

It would stop the wind getting into his mic and stop that horrible hiss noise.

Sarky

Probably too symbolic of a penis, wouldn't want his camera to catch the gay.

Galvasean

Sarky wrote: »

Probably too symbolic of a penis, wouldn't want his camera to catch the gay.

Because pointing this,

into someone's face isn't the slightest bit symbolic.
The whole damn film industry is stuffed with innuendo! The XLR cables used to connect things are labelled as being male and female

for some reason...

Galvasean

Galvasean wrote: »

The XLR cables used to connect things are labelled as being male and female

for some reason...

master/slave hard drive stuff gives me a chuckle

in a desperate attempt to stay on topic, i can't watch the video yet at work
but it is strange how obsessed they can be about gay people

Paparazzo

chin_grin wrote: »

So the summary is that people go to mass to appease their parents. Ah d'hokey.

Everyone that I know that went to mass as a kid, did it for that reason. Things haven't changed

Galvasean

bluewolf wrote: »

but it is strange how obsessed they can be about gay people

For something that is only mentioned fleetingly in the Bible it seems to get a disproportionate amount of attention. The amount of time the Bible spends discussing homosexuality is comparable to the eating of or wearing clothes made from more than one kind of fabric, yet they don't go bonkers over those issues.
Filthy sex crazed Christians! :pac:

Mistress 69

Galvasean wrote: »

Because pointing this,

into someone's face isn't the slightest bit symbolic.
The whole damn film industry is stuffed with innuendo! The XLR cables used to connect things are labelled as being male and female

for some reason...

Galvasean wrote: »

.
Filthy sex crazed Christians! :pac:

Dont forget the Dolly Grip..............:pac:

Galvasean

Mistress 69 wrote: »

Dont forget the Dolly Grip..............:pac:

And the process of DPing...

robindch

Galvasean wrote: »

The amount of time the Bible spends discussing homosexuality is comparable to the eating of or wearing clothes made from more than one kind of fabric, yet they don't go bonkers over those issues.

The stuff about two kinds of fabric was repealed by Jesus.

Sheesh, don't you keep up with this stuff?

Galvasean

robindch wrote: »

The stuff about two kinds of fabric was repealed by Jesus.

Sheesh, don't you keep up with this stuff?

Sorry, I was too busy obsessing about what gay people get up to in private and how best to stop them.

robindch

Galvasean wrote: »

Sorry, I was too busy obsessing about what gay people get up to in private and how best to stop them.

Well, if you can't beat(*) them, join 'em?

(*) Obviously beat in the metaphorical sense, not in the sense of leaping into bed with that handsome hunk you just met down the pub, peeling off his outer layers of leather, opening the drawer, grabbing the jar of wrestling oil, dripping it gently over his now-glistening torso and reaching slowly downwards towards his <mod deleted>

robindch

^^^ Speaking of which:

http://newsthump.com/2010/12/01/why-do-people-treat-us-with-the-same-contempt-we-show-homosexuals-ask-christians/

News Thump wrote:

Why do people treat us with the same contempt we show homosexuals, ask Christians

Former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey is to launch a campaign that will encourage Christians to “wear their faith with pride” after many Christians expressed concerns that they are being treated with the same sort of contempt they normally reserve for homosexuals.

Lord Carey will launch a leaflet in which he says, “I am proud of our tradition of tolerance towards straight people and our historic commitment to welcoming perfectly heterosexual strangers.” “Obviously it goes without saying that any strangers would have to complete a questionnaire to ascertain their sexual preference before we start rolling out the red carpet.”

“You should also read nothing into the fact that I’m launching this campaign on World Gay Plague Day – sorry, World AIDS Day.” The campaign, called “Not Ashamed Day” is being organised by Christian Concern, who are worried that they are unable to do and say whatever they want, whenever they want, without question.

The group have highlighted the case of Gary McFarlane, who was sacked as a Relate Counsellor for refusing to give sex therapy to gay couples. “The thought of men joined in a sordid daisy chain of sodomy, their muscular frames glistening with sweat as they explore each other’s bodies. Probing, caressing, licking…ahem, these aren’t things that Christians want to have to think about let alone deal with.” Revealed a Christian Concern spokesman before holding his Bible in front of his groin.

Christian Pride Day

Terry Sanderson, president of the National Secular Society has criticised the campaign amid further claims by Lord Carey that Christmas is “something of which some are ashamed.” “Everyone loves Christmas!” He insisted. “We get a few extra days of work and on Christmas day you can get a bit drunk by mid-morning without feeling like you’ve got an alcohol problem. What’s not to like?”

“The only thing wrong with Christmas is the bit about Christ, and the mass thing. But the timing makes perfect sense when you think about it. I mean, Jesus is basically Santa Clause for grown-ups.”

Galvasean

^^ Is that legit or a parody?

robindch

Remember the Poe, Luke.

mikhail

Galvasean wrote: »

^^ Is that legit or a parody?

Ah now. There's Poe, and then there's "“The thought of men joined in a sordid daisy chain of sodomy, their muscular frames glistening with sweat as they explore each other’s bodies. Probing, caressing, licking…ahem, these aren’t things that Christians want to have to think about let alone deal with.” Revealed a Christian Concern spokesman before holding his Bible in front of his groin."

The Mad Hatter

Galvasean wrote: »

He really needs to buy one of these bad boys,

It would stop the wind getting into his mic and stop that horrible hiss noise.

He had some, but there was some trouble at customs...

Mistress 69

Galvasean wrote: »

And the process of DPing...

Had to google that process :eek:

Galvasean wrote: »

Sorry, I was too busy obsessing about what gay people get up to in private and how best to stop them.

robindch wrote: »

Well, if you can't beat(*) them, join 'em?

(*) Obviously beat in the metaphorical sense, not in the sense of leaping into bed with that handsome hunk you just met down the pub, peeling off his outer layers of leather, opening the drawer, grabbing the jar of wrestling oil, dripping it gently over his now-glistening torso and reaching slowly downwards towards his <mod deleted>

..... My oh My! guys... and its still only friday afternoon..:pac:

Galvasean

Mistress 69 wrote: »

..... My oh My! guys... and its still only friday afternoon..:pac:

Gonna be one hell of a weekend

Newsite

FinnLizzy wrote: »

This piece is from an American conservative 'RealCatholicTV'. It's basically a voxpop that asks randomers if they go to mass or if they're Catholics.

What's funny about it is that the interviewer is a real pious bast@rd, and he's fawning over the situation. But if you watch the video, the answers basically reflect general public's attitude towards Catholicism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaGj1rJdPKo

I'm not a Catholic, but it just shows how lost the average man/woman on the street is, cast away from God. See verse from Timothy below:

"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution..."

"men shall be....despisers of those that are good..." (that's you, as you hate God)

FinnLizzy wrote: »

I'm happy with the answers, but sad that so many people have to satisfy their parent's irrational, 'á la carte' commitment to such an institution.

You're happy with the answers because even though you don't recognise it - as you have been tricked - you are a child of the Devil, and you're happy as it pleases him, and plays into his hands. What he approves of, and delights in, you do too. You seek to imitate him, like a child looks up to his father, and seeks to be like him.

John 8:44: "You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Galvasean wrote: »

Weird how out of nowhere he jumps to talking about the gay people. Some of these religious nuts are really obsessed with with what gay people get up to. It's really quite bizarre.
He also never made the connection in that a massive reason for the lack of faith shown among Irish people has everything to do with the RCC's own hierarchy pissing us off.

Not weird at all, not surprising. Gay marriage is be the last rung on the ladder, nobody is campaigning for the approval of murder, adultery, theft, etc - but sodomy - condemned extremely strongly by God - is something to be 'tolerant' about and to support unashamedly. It's also for sure that there are may who don't approve of gay marriage, but who are too afraid/cowardly to speak up.

Galvasean wrote: »

For something that is only mentioned fleetingly in the Bible it seems to get a disproportionate amount of attention. The amount of time the Bible spends discussing homosexuality is comparable to the eating of or wearing clothes made from more than one kind of fabric, yet they don't go bonkers over those issues.
Filthy sex crazed Christians! :pac:

Not fleetingly at all. Mentioned on several occasions, and fornication is mentioned right across the Bible. And condemned in the gravest of terms.

The most interesting thing I took from this video (which you've all naturally overlooked), is that for 1,500 years, the teachings of God were accepted and obeyed on this little island. What does this show? How could the faith have been maintained for this colossal length of time, and then suddenly crumble? That's because the end of days is likely quite near. What other reason could there be than that Satan's grip is growing stronger?

As shown here, predicted thousands of years ago:

2 Timothy 3: "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was."

Newsite

For more on the verse from John, this explains further, for those interested:

8:44 Ye are of your father, the devil. There are two households: that of God, composed of his children; and that of the devil, composed of his children. All who hear the voice of Christ become God's children by adoption (Ro 8:15-17), and all who refuse to hear him, do so because they belong to the devil's household and hear his voice. They will do the lusts of their father.

He was a murderer from the beginning. He caused the first murder, moves those who do murder, and those who seek to kill Christ are of his spirit.

From here: http://bible.cc/john/8-44.htm

Repent, get to know Jesus before it is too late.

iMax

Newsite wrote: »

The most interesting thing I took from this video (which you've all naturally overlooked), is that for 1,500 years, the teachings of God were accepted and obeyed on this little island. What does this show? How could the faith have been maintained for this colossal length of time, and then suddenly crumble? That's because the end of days is likely quite near. What other reason could there be than that Satan's grip is growing stronger?

I'm guessing it coincides with growth of education, reduction of isolation (better transport both on & off the island) & increase in communications so that we see what's going on in the world instantly in a (mostly) non censored way - internet/tv/videophones.

More that than another invented character coming into play.

Galvasean

Newsite wrote: »

That's because the end of days is likely quite near.

Oh look, another doom merchant. Come back to me when it's the apocalypse.

Oh, the REAL apocalypse yeah? If I get let down by another failed end of days prediction by a devout Christian type I will feel very let down.

wnolan1992

I love the fact that if you become a premium subscriber to that site you can "get to know god more deeply".......

*cough*....INDULGENCES.......*cough* :pac:

Delirium

Newsite wrote: »

I'm not a Catholic, but it just shows how lost the average man/woman on the street is, cast away from God. See verse from Timothy below:

"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution..."

"men shall be....despisers of those that are good..." (that's you, as you hate God)

By that reasoning, you hate Santa. Why do you hate the jolly fat man??

You're happy with the answers because even though you don't recognise it - as you have been tricked - you are a child of the Devil, and you're happy as it pleases him, and plays into his hands. What he approves of, and delights in, you do too. You seek to imitate him, like a child looks up to his father, and seeks to be like him.

John 8:44: "You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

So because someone doesn't subscribe to your religious perspective, they're in league with the devil? You're not really going to win many people over to your way of thinking if you start with telling them that they're evil.

Not weird at all, not surprising. Gay marriage is be the last rung on the ladder, nobody is campaigning for the approval of murder, adultery, theft, etc - but sodomy - condemned extremely strongly by God - is something to be 'tolerant' about and to support unashamedly. It's also for sure that there are may who don't approve of gay marriage, but who are too afraid/cowardly to speak up.

because there is a world of difference between supporting a loving commitment between two consenting adults and condoning someone robbing a car/killing someone.

Zombrex

This is Michael Voris, who stated that only Catholics should be able to vote, then after a public outcry (including getting bashed from Catholics) deleted the video where he stated that and issued two increasingly befuddled responses where he did little to clarify what the heck he meant by "limit the vote to faithful Catholics" and had a rant about all the atheists and secularists who were apparently misrepresenting him.

Or in other words, he is an extremist nut given a voice, like so many other nuts before him, by the web.

Nothing to see here, its just the internet.

Mistress 69

Galvasean wrote: »

Gonna be one hell of a weekend

Great so far..and with a forecasted 16 degrees for Sunday it can only get better... strappy t shirts and shorts agogo.....:)

robindch

Newsite wrote: »

fornication is mentioned right across the Bible. And condemned in the gravest of terms.

Have you ever had sex with somebody you're not married to? Ever, ah, touched yourself in a special way? Or had somebody else do it for you?

robindch

wnolan1992 wrote: »

you become a premium subscriber to that site you can "get to know god more deeply".

That sounds, how should I say, enjoyably physical

Newsite

koth wrote: »

So because someone doesn't subscribe to your religious perspective, they're in league with the devil? You're not really going to win many people over to your way of thinking if you start with telling them that they're evil.

That's the point - the default setting is 'unrighteous', 'disobedient', as if you're not obeying God then you're doing the will of the devil. Or yourself, it's one and the same, just different names - doing whatever you feel like, fulfilling the 'lusts of the flesh'. Also it's not about 'winning you over', as only God can convert you. But it is our duty to warn, to proclaim the truth. You either listen and repent or you reject God and accept the inevitable result...

koth wrote: »

because there is a world of difference between supporting a loving commitment between two consenting adults and condoning someone robbing a car/killing someone.

That's according to your human standard. There is no difference in God's eyes.

irishh_bob

Newsite wrote: »

That's the point - the default setting is evil, as if you're not obeying God then you're obeying the devil. Or yourself, it's one and the same, just different names - doing whatever you feel like, fulfilling the 'lusts of the flesh'.



That's according to your human standard. There is no difference in God's eyes.

how do you know what ( god ) thinks or wants , you dont , it just makes you feel authoritive to believe you do

Newsite

irishh_bob wrote: »

how do you know what ( god ) thinks or wants , you dont , it just makes you feel authoritive to believe you do

Well that's an easy one. I can read

goose2005

fornication is mentioned right across the Bible. And condemned in the gravest of terms.

Unlike slavery then.

Galvasean

Newsite wrote: »

Well that's an easy one. I can read

Cool. So do you not wear clothes made of more than one kind of fabric? I'd imagine that is a tricky one to do constantly.

irishh_bob

Newsite wrote: »

Well that's an easy one. I can read

i read in a marvel comic that being exposed to radiation gives one super powers although i was only nine at the time

iMax

Newsite wrote: »

There is no difference in God's eyes.

Pssssst... No such thing as God. Check the forum you're in.

Newsite

Galvasean wrote: »

Cool. So do you not wear clothes made of more than one kind of fabric? I'd imagine that is a tricky one to do constantly.

Ohh sigh Your ignorance is telling - don't mean any offense. The rules on fabric, shellfish etc etc were done away with when Jesus came on earth. That's why you won't see anything on them in the New Testament. But there are plenty of references still to fornication in the New Testament

Newsite

iMax wrote: »

Pssssst... No such thing as God. Check the forum you're in.

Yes but since you're engaging me I am compelled to respond at least for a while

Solair

The random switching to the rant about gay pride is rather odd to put it mildly.

Galvasean

Newsite wrote: »

Ohh sigh Your ignorance is telling - don't mean any offense. The rules on fabric, shellfish etc etc were done away with when Jesus came on earth. That's why you won't see anything on them in the New Testament. But there are plenty of references still to fornication in the New Testament

So what did Jesus say about gay sex then?

Newsite

Galvasean wrote: »

So what did Jesus say about gay sex then?

1 Corinthians 6:9

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Delirium

Newsite wrote: »

That's the point - the default setting is evil, as if you're not obeying God then you're obeying the devil. Or yourself, it's one and the same, just different names - doing whatever you feel like, fulfilling the 'lusts of the flesh'. Also it's not about 'winning you over', as only God can convert you. But it is our duty to warn, to proclaim the truth. You either listen and repent or you reject God and accept the inevitable result...

That's a truly depressing attitude/belief tbh. You label all people who don't accept God as evil And I presume we're using the proper meaning of evil, i.e. people who rape, murder, torture and generally live for the suffering and destruction of other people.

So people aren't even judged by their actions, but by their rejection of God. It's really sad to see a group promoting such a low opinion of non-members.

That's according to your human standard. There is no difference in God's eyes.

Probably explains why I have more faith in humanity than I do in the God.

Solair

Good vs Evil isn't about any god or supreme being of any sort. It's about how you interact with others and with the world around you.

If you don't care about society, have no empathy, cannot understand how your actions make other people feel and do not care whether or not you hurt people, and are utterly ruthless about achieving your own goals at all costs regarldess of how it makes others suffer/destroys the plant/hurts animals etc then you're quite likely meeting the definition of 'evil'.

I find this notion of how non-believers are somehow going to be evil or have no sense of right/wrong utterly ridiculous and rather offensive.

If a person needs to be threatened by some external force to know right from wrong, then they really have no internal moral compass whatsoever.

Pygmalion

Newsite wrote: »

1 Corinthians 6:9

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Ignoring the fact that Jesus didn't say that, which is what you were asked, which part of that actually refers to gay sex?

Edit: Googled it and apparently some translations specifically mention homosexuality instead of the more vague "abusers of themselves with mankind", which I didn't interpret that way.
So fair enough on that point, I guess I should change my argument from "Where in your iron age scribblings does it prohibit this?" to "Why have you not progressed past iron age scribblings as a source of morality?"

Newsite

koth wrote: »

That's a truly depressing attitude/belief tbh. You label all people who don't accept God as evil And I presume we're using the proper meaning of evil, i.e. people who rape, murder, torture and generally live for the suffering and destruction of other people.

So people aren't even judged by their actions, but by their rejection of God. It's really sad to see a group promoting such a low opinion of non-members.





Probably explains why I have more faith in humanity than I do in the God.

Ok I've edited my post, as this is not what is conveyed - it's not that you are 'evil', it's that the default setting of mankind is disobedience and rebellion towards God - which means you must be born again 'ye must be born again'. There are two births referred to here - that of your actual birth, and that of being born in the Holy Spirit. 'Ye must be born again' in practice means that at some point during your life, you must receive the Grace of God in order to repent and be saved. The evidence of someone saved is when you see someone 'bearing fruit', i.e. displaying a change of mind and a change of behaviour, obedient to God's will.

If the above sounds dismaying, outrageous and all 'fire and brimstone', it's because you've been lied to your whole life - by people who should know better, mainly. You'll rarely (never) hear about Hell or the danger of the judgment at mass - but if you open a Bible at any page I guarantee you will land on a verse about God's wrath or his warnings about disobedience. Try it now just to see. This is because that for every mention of love and kindness (which obviously are so important to know about too, since these are the rewards of obedience, and a beautiful thing!), you will get many, many, many more verses on His hate and wrath for those 'workers of iniquity'. That is, those who would rather please themselves - sleeping around, getting divorces, lying, stealing, preaching a false Gospel, etc.

The message is one of the amazing gift of salvation and not having to spend eternity cut-off from God. It's not depressing, it is amazing. And the beauty of it is in its simplicity - there are no complex rules once you can see the light.

Newsite

Solair wrote: »

Good vs Evil isn't about any god or supreme being of any sort. It's about how you interact with others and with the world around you.

If you don't care about society, have no empathy, cannot understand how your actions make other people feel and do not care whether or not you hurt people, and are utterly ruthless about achieving your own goals at all costs regarldess of how it makes others suffer/destroys the plant/hurts animals etc then you're quite likely meeting the definition of 'evil'.

I find this notion of how non-believers are somehow going to be evil or have no sense of right/wrong utterly ridiculous and rather offensive.

If a person needs to be threatened by some external force to know right from wrong, then they really have no internal moral compass whatsoever.

See my post below, but you can't 'rely on yourself' to know right from wrong - this is always going to be based on your standard, not the standard laid out by the One who made you.