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"Future" Senior Civil Servants Can Expect pension Changes

  • 08-11-2011 2:01pm
    #1
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1108/pay.html

    So for ALL FG/Labour's huffing and puffing nothing changes. EVERYTHING for EVERYONE outside the civil Service has changed - utterly. But these people are ringfenced and we're told the Government must 'honour contracts'.

    What a load of utter bollix. But, seeing as the Civil Servants make the rules - and the snivelling Howlin is in charge - nothing will change. What a joke of a Government.

    Should Vivil Service Contacts Be Rendered null And Void As the Country Is bankrupt? 28 votes

    Yes - absolutely.
    0% 0 votes
    Alter Pension Entitlements for ALL of them
    50% 14 votes
    No
    14% 4 votes
    Atari Jaguar
    35% 10 votes


Comments

  • #2
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    The government does have to honour the contracts though, don't they? About all we can do is make sure the next contracts aren't as costly.


  • #3
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    The government does have to honour the contracts though, don't they? About all we can do is make sure the next contracts aren't as costly.

    Where there is a will there is a way. If they had enough determination they could choose not to honour ludicrous contractual benefits. It would take co-ordination and effort on the part of the govt to stave off the legal challenges but it could be done.


  • #4
    megaten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭megaten


    Morlar wrote: »
    Where there is a will there is a way. If they had enough determination they could choose not to honour ludicrous contractual benefits. It would take co-ordination and effort on the part of the govt to stave off the legal challenges but it could be done.

    Assuming your employed by someone else. How would you like it if the decided they weren't going to honour your contract.?


  • #5
    Blazer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,473 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    megaten wrote: »
    Assuming your employed by someone else. How would you like it if the decided they weren't going to honour your contract.?

    You mean like if they were bankrupt and decided to no longer keep you on?
    Not sure if you know this but it's fairly common I hear in the private sector ;)


  • #6
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    megaten wrote: »
    Assuming your employed by someone else. How would you like it if the decided they weren't going to honour your contract.?

    Take them to court. A contract is a legally binding document.


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  • #7
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Am I missing something? He isn't changeing existing contracts just future contracts.


  • #8
    AeoNGriM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭AeoNGriM


    Introduce a new 100% tax that only affects these people and their pension entitlements. Problem, senior civil servants? :pac:


  • #9
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,002 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Most contracts have flexibility in them that allows them to reduce wages, suspend benefits (including pension contributions) as required to meet financial losses... What is different about these contracts that leaves no such leeway?


  • #10
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    megaten wrote: »
    Assuming your employed by someone else. How would you like it if the decided they weren't going to honour your contract.?

    My company isn't bankrupt - and borrowing €400m a week to 'honour' these contracts.


  • #11
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    megaten wrote: »
    Assuming your employed by someone else. How would you like it if the decided they weren't going to honour your contract.?

    Happens all the time in the private sector believe it or not.
    My contract has been altered 4 times since late 2008 - and in answer to your question I don't 'like' it, but it's better than being unemployed.


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  • #12
    galwayrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    super_furry wrote: »
    Take them to court. A contract is a legally binding document.

    Yeah, try and sue a bankrupt company.


  • #13
    SeaFields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    regarding your poll, whats a vival service contact?


  • #14
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    ixoy wrote: »
    Most contracts have flexibility in them that allows them to reduce wages, suspend benefits (including pension contributions) as required to meet financial losses... What is different about these contracts that leaves no such leeway?

    Because the ones affected most by them are the ones managing them. Only in Ireland. Let's continue to borrow the €400m a week to keep them happy and isolated. What a tremendous idea.:rolleyes:


  • #15
    hardCopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    super_furry wrote: »
    Take them to court. A contract is a legally binding document.

    It's a simple process:

    "Here's a new contract, sign it or your notice starts today"


  • #16
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,861 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Rabble rabble rabble, they have dur jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • #17
    Cian92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭Cian92


    black francis wrote: »
    Happens all the time in the private sector believe it or not.
    My contract has been altered 4 times since late 2008 - and in answer to your question I don't 'like' it, but it's better than being unemployed.

    Well your being foolish then, where I work they have made an 18 million euro loss in 2009 and 877,000 in 2010.

    They tried to change peoples contract, this is a non unionised company.
    People went to the labour Court, the old contracts were rescinded and the employees were paid compensation.

    They are now on the way back to making a profit, without any cuts in pay, we still get a 3% pay rise every year, and no change in working conditions.


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