2011 MVP race

themont85

1. Aaron Rodgers

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Then you have the usual Brady, Brees and other QBs discussion. Calvin Johnson maybe.

Peyton Manning in the discussion too naturally.

Chucky the tree

Rodgers is the only one and no one is even close to him tbh.

Pyjamarama

No-one bar Rodgers right now comes close. If McCoy keeps it up he'll give it a real go though. Peterson and Calvin Johnson have been awesome too.

On D Allen has been AMAZING.

mikemac

MVP: Rodgers, realy it can't be anyone else

DPOTY: Demarcus Ware
Jared Allen and Terrelle Suggs keeping it close

Paully D

Might as well just end the season now and give the MVP to Rodgers along with the Super Bowl to Green Bay. There's no one stopping them IMO.

Dohnny Jepp

Pyjamarama wrote: »

No-one bar Rodgers right now comes close. If McCoy keeps it up he'll give it a real go though. Peterson and Calvin Johnson have been awesome too.

On D Allen has been AMAZING.

Peterson for offensive player of the year maybe, but not mvp.

there really is no one but rodgers.

spiralism

1. Aaron Rodgers..
.............. End of discussion

At the Midway point of the season he has:
The Packers at 8-0
24 TDs
3 INTs
2619 yards
72% completion
A 129.1 passer rating.

He is on course for:
Coming 3rd all time in TD passes over a season with 48
Breaking Marinos yardage record with 5238 passing yards
Breaking Drew Brees's completion record of 70% set in 2010
Breaking Manning's passer rating record of 121.1 in 2004
Tying the 2007 patriots perfect regular season (that one probably wont happen but ya never know)

Paully D

spiralism wrote: »

Tying the 2007 patriots perfect regular season (that one probably wont happen but ya never know)

I honestly can't see them getting beaten.

Chucky the tree

Anyone one ships 38 points against the chargers in unbeatable. It will be tought but as someone else pointed out the Eagles are probably the best in the NFC who could deal with them.

themont85

Someone in the NFC North will beat the Packers.

FreeOSCAR

Paully D wrote: »

I honestly can't see them getting beaten.

You have to take into account weeks 14, 15, 17.
Let's say they stay undefeated until then and have the top spot in the NFC wrapped up. They might play their backups in the last few games, certainly in the last one. It depends on if the organisation cares about going 16-0 or cares more about having their team fit and ready for January.

The D is not a 16-0 Defense. They go to the Giants in a few weeks, I think they lose that one. They also go to Ford Field iirc on Thanksgiving. Another tough game for them. Sure they will be favs in all of them games but in the most unpredictable league in the world they are not unbeatable by any means.

Rodgers definitely the MVP.
For the O POTY at the moment (apart from A Rod) I'd probably go with Megatron. Matt Forte, Lesean McCoy, Welker and Fred Jackson also deserve a mention.
D POTY. Jared Allen, followed by Revis, Ware and Jason Pierre Paul IMO. Probably others I Havnt seen enough of.

spiralism

GB could well lose @ Det and/or one of the last two or 3 games after the division is sewn up.

Only thing is... they rest Rodgers and they have Matt Flynn, who was unlucky not to win in Gillette last year!

Syferus

FreeOSCAR wrote: »

You have to take into account weeks 14, 15, 17.
Let's say they stay undefeated until then and have the top spot in the NFC wrapped up. They might play their backups in the last few games, certainly in the last one. It depends on if the organisation cares about going 16-0 or cares more about having their team fit and ready for January.

McCarthy has said they'll hold off on talking about going undefeated until they reach 10-0 or so, which is smart as after their play-off berth is secure it can be used as a carrot to get the team to play hard through the back end of the season. It also hints that should they be in that position they'll actively chase it, so that'd be a no-no to back-ups.

cooker3

I really really hope we go for the perfect season if/when we wrap up the number 1 seed. I'm still pissed off at the Colts for throwing away their chance 2 years ago. Seeing my team do it would be immense.

Mind you, don't think we will. I fancy the Lions on thanksgiving.

spiralism

cooker3 wrote: »

I really really hope we go for the perfect season if/when we wrap up the number 1 seed. I'm still pissed off at the Colts for throwing away their chance 2 years ago. Seeing my team do it would be immense.

Mind you, don't think we will. I fancy the Lions on thanksgiving.

Thats the watershed game i'd say yeah... Though the return fixture and Bears on Christmas day are other ones to circle

kryogen

Cant see past Rodgers

eagle eye

Hard to see past Rodgers for sure but Brees is currently on for beating Marino's record and going over 5000 yards for a second time. He could make it interesting.

Hulk Hands

NFC North to sweep this. Rodgers MVP, Allen Dpoy, and one of Megatron, AP or Forte for Opoy

spiralism

Hulk Hands wrote: »

NFC North to sweep this. Rodgers MVP, Allen Dpoy, and one of Megatron, AP or Forte for Opoy

can't disagree with anything there.

Onecoolcookie

Rodgers has it pretty much sewn up at this stage, honourable mentions to Calvin Johnson, Peterson and Forte.

What are peoples opinions on Offensive rookie and Defensive rookie?
Newton will obviously be up there and Kerrigan would be my bet for defence

spiralism

Onecoolcookie wrote: »

Rodgers has it pretty much sewn up at this stage, honourable mentions to Calvin Johnson, Peterson and Forte.

What are peoples opinions on Offensive rookie and Defensive rookie?
Newton will obviously be up there and Kerrigan would be my bet for defence

Newton and Von Miller/Aldon Smith

Dodge

Still have the season to go. Plenty of changes can happen. Rodgers is on a different level now but after 3/4 games people were saying the same about Brady

For the record I'd give special mentions to Eli, Megatron and Forte

DPOY is wide open. Won't be Allen though if Vikings have a losing record

For rookies, Newton is ahead of Dalton and Greene. On the defensive side, I'd go with Dareus on the Bills D line

Dodge

Still have the season to go. Plenty of changes can happen. Rodgers is on a different level now but after 3/4 games people were saying the same about Brady

For the record I'd give special mentions to Eli, Megatron and Forte

DPOY is wide open. Won't be Allen though if Vikings have a losing record

For rookies, Newton is ahead of Dalton and Greene. On the defensive side, I'd go with Dareus on the Bills D line

Dodge

Still have the season to go. Plenty of changes can happen. Rodgers is on a different level now but after 3/4 games people were saying the same about Brady

For the record I'd give special mentions to Eli, Megatron and Forte

DPOY is wide open. Won't be Allen though if Vikings have a losing record

For rookies, Newton is ahead of Dalton and Greene. On the defensive side, I'd go with Dareus on the Bills D line

Dohnny Jepp

Dodge wrote: »

DPOY is wide open. Won't be Allen though if Vikings have a losing record

Dodge wrote: »

DPOY is wide open. Won't be Allen though if Vikings have a losing record

Dodge wrote: »

DPOY is wide open. Won't be Allen though if Vikings have a losing record

I don't think DPOY or OPOY are affected by winning or losing record. From what I have noticed its only the MVP that win/loss is relevant

I don't think DPOY or OPOY are affected by winning or losing record. From what I have noticed its only the MVP that win/loss is relevant

I don't think DPOY or OPOY are affected by winning or losing record. From what I have noticed its only the MVP that win/loss is relevant

Dodge

Just checked there. 3 playesr have won DPOTY with losing records in the last 25 years so I guess its possible

Still think its wide open though

Stev_o

DPOY really is wide open. Some crazy numbers being put up by the likes of Allen, Babin Ware, Woodson etc. Of course Revis is always going to be a factor every year.

davyjose

Rodgers should be both OPOY and MVP. Manning won both in '04, Brady won both in '07, and Rodgers is currently having that kind of a season. No contest.

I'd have Revis as DPOY. Allowed only 12 receptions in 8 games, with 4 INTs. Apparently QB's average a passer rating of 2.9 throwing against him this season :eek:

matthew8

MVP and OPOY have to be Rodgers. DPOY is very tough, you have Allen and Revis putting up brilliant stats and a bunch of great linebackers. But now look at the top 7 defenses. None of the candidates discussed are in these magnificent defenses. Aren't we going to give Ngata and Suggs some credit for being cornerstones in a great defense? What about LaMarr Woodley? 9 sacks while missing some gametime, being the best players in Pittsburgh's defense. If anyone reaches that magic 20 sack number, they have to get DPOY, if not, it's gotta be Revis, with an honourable mention to around 5 guys in Baltimore (Reed, Ngata, Lewis, Suggs, Williams).

Now to the rookie awards. Green won't win it, purely because if he puts up insane stats, that means that Andy Dalton gets as much credit as him. There's nothing he can do. On the offensive side it's between Dalton and Green, while I think that Peterson has been the best defensive rookie, with 3 punt return touchdowns, 1 to end the game and 1 to put them ahead in the 4th quarter (they went on to win). However I am lucky enough not to have watched the Cardinals play so I don't know about his pass coverage.

Peyton Manning

Plenty of people have mentioned Suggs, what are you on about?

eagle eye

I'd say the favourites for the rookie awards right now are Cam Newton and Von Miller.

The DPOY is wide open.

While at this stage Rodgers is a slam dunk for the MVP I don't think he will get both awards. I mentioned Brees earlier if the goes on to break Marino's record and then Megatron is having some season also. Welker is having an awesome season too. Welker is currently on pace to break Rice's receiving yards season record and Megatron is just 1 td shy of the pace to break Randy Moss' td record.

matthew8

Cam Newton wrote: »

Plenty of people have mentioned Suggs, what are you on about?

He's been mentioned once in this thread, and isn't considered a frontrunner.

bruschi

so, is Rodgers the same shoe in now that he was at the halfway point?

Personally, I dont think so, at all. Not that he wont win it, but it was looking for all intents and purposes at that point that we may as well crown him MVP and move on.

Brees has really opened up a race. Their form since this thread was started is significant, because with all types of polls like this, people only have recent memories.

Rodgers - 2271 yards, 25 TDs, and 3 INTs
Brees - 2730 yards, 27 TDs, and 4 INTs

(in the interest of fairness, I included Rodgers week 9 game so it was both their last 8 appearences).

Not a whole lot of difference really, but Brees setting the record in the second last game could well count when voters are submitting their ballots and their yardage has a big difference.

The other thing which could count against Rodgers, is the one game he is absent, and the replacement QB comes in and shatters botht he passing yardage and throwing TDs of all time for a QB in Green Bay.

Against Brees, as with all dome teams, is just that, most of his games are inside, making it easier.

I still think Rodgers will win, but not by nearly as much as I had thought earlier this season.

(* I also left out Tom Brady, I will leave someone else put a shout in for him!)

walshb

Rodgers will get it, run close. I think Brees benefitted greatly from playing a good deal more indoors. This can help you when passing. Rodgers was also retired in several games in Q4, so when all is considered, Rodgers could easily have broken Marino's yardage record too. Also, the Rodgers QB rating is the highest ever for a season. This is a real key measure.

But, really, the MVP is Manning. I mean, the Colts are dirt without him, and are potential champs with him. He really really is an MVP.

Yes, I know, he is not eligible, but strictly speaking he is the MVP in the league.

vinny chase

When is this being announced?

Dodge

walshb wrote: »

Rodgers will get it, run close. I think Brees benefitted greatly from playing a good deal more indoors. This can help you when passing. Rodgers was also retired in several games in Q4, so when all is considered, Rodgers could easily have broken Marino's yardage record too. Also, the Rodgers QB rating is the highest ever for a season. This is a real key measure

ROgers didn't miss too much time in fairness. Apart from week 17 obviously, there's not too much of a difference in the time on pitch for Flynn and Chase Daniels

http://www.nfl.com/player/mattflynn/367/gamelogs
http://www.nfl.com/player/chasedaniel/81284/gamelogs

I'm not trying to suggest Rogers ins't the MVP either. i think he should be. I wouldn't have a problem with Brees or Brady getting it either. or Calvin Johnson for that matter

me-skywalker

One of the AP, albeit a Green Bay based journalist has done a succint write-up comparing both Bree's and Rodgers. He does explain the reasoning behind his decision very well to try avoid the imparitialness of it.

1. Ball security. Rodgers threw just six interceptions, three of which were in his receivers' hands before going to the opponent. He never threw more than one in any game. The score when Rodgers threw those seven picks: 27-17, 48-17, 24-3, 28-19, 14-7 and 31-0. The six interceptions resulted in 14 opponent points. It's hard to remember him coming close to throwing an interception any other time. What's more, Rodgers did not lose a single fumble. Brees accounted for 15 turnovers to Rodgers' six.

2. All-time passer rating. A lot of people think this is an outdated and inaccurate way to judge quarterbacks, but I think it reflects exactly how well a quarterback is playing. It rewards quarterbacks for a high completion percentage but downgrades them if all they're doing is throwing dink-and-dunk passes. It views interceptions as the game-killers they are. It rewards quarterbacks for scoring points. Rodgers set the all-time NFL mark with a 122.46 rating. Brees finished at 110.6.

3. Team record. The Packers went 14-1 under Rodgers. He went into every hostile environment on the road and won except at Kansas City. He functioned as well outdoors as indoors. The Saints finished an impressive 13-3, but they lost at Tampa Bay and at St. Louis, teams whose combined record was 6-26. Brees threw two touchdown passes and five interceptions in those two losses. The Saints weren't at full strength and finished the Buccaneers game without injured coach Sean Payton, but just as I won't cut Rodgers a break for the Kansas City loss, I won't do so for Brees in these situations.

4. Average yards per attempt. Some people think this is one of the most telling passing statistics. The last player to finish with an average as high as Rodgers' 9.2 and lead the NFL in passer rating was Peyton Manning in 2004, the year he won the second of his four MVPs. Rodgers clearly benefited from a lot of talent around him, but he played most of the season without his starting left tackle and still consistently found ways to throw the ball deep down the field. Brees averaged 8.3 yards per attempt.

5. I won't split the vote. Some have suggested splitting the vote between the two players, but I don't believe in doing that. There's only one MVP vote per person and if the votes wind up tied, so be it. But we're asked to make a choice and I think that makes you obligated to pick one player.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/tom-silverstein-why-rodgers-gets-my-vote-for-mvp-4p3lk9r-136636263.html

If it was my vote I would also go with Rodgers, I agree pretty much with the points above and not to detract from Bree's season I think that Rodgers this season has had that coolness about him, that nothing got to him. With being the champs, the increased pressure, expectation and attention and the opposition week in week out stepping up its game knowing you are the champs as happens in most sports and still having some incredible games and posting impressive numbers week in week out.

Kudos to both but Rodgers takes it by a nose.

spiralism

MVP: Rodgers, highest ever passer rating in a season and 15-1...nuff said
OPOY: Brees, so as he can be awarded for a class season too, MVP and OPOY tend to be different players even when its a QB playing out of his mind
DPOY: Allen...22 sacks, 66 tackles, 4 forced fumbles and a pick, has to be
OROY: Cam Newton. Don't even need to justify that one
DROY: Von Miller. Aldon Smith had more sacks but as a situational pass rusher. Miller had 11.5 and nearly twice as many tackles while starting every game.

davyjose

bruschi wrote: »

(in the interest of fairness, I included Rodgers week 9 game so it was both their last 8 appearences).

You're being too fair. Rodgers' last game should be counted. I love Rodgers, but could Drew Brees' backup have thrown for more TD's than his starter had thrown for since high school? Or would Rodgers have broken Brady's Single Season record? We'll never know.

Maybe it was tactical, a way to give Rodgers 2 weeks off (a tactic, in recent times, proven not to work) but regardless, you have to count Rodgers' last game, and the lack of "value" his team did or did not miss out on.

Justice would award Brees MVP by a landslide. But like the Oscars, it's not about the best performance, it's about the most popular.

davyjose

spiralism wrote: »

MVP: Rodgers, highest ever passer rating in a season and 15-1...nuff said

14-1, in fairness. Passer rating is a double edge sword. Had Brady not aimed for manning's TD record, he would have easily broken his passer rating in '07. As it turns out Rodgers could have had both. But Brees smashing the yardage record, by a couple hundred, versus Rodgers taking a sliver off the passer rating record means, with all due respect, 'nuff not said. Besides, Brees has more TD's anyway.

bruschi

davyjose wrote: »

You're being too fair. Rodgers' last game should be counted. I love Rodgers, but could Drew Brees' backup have thrown for more TD's than his starter had thrown for since high school? Or would Rodgers have broken Brady's Single Season record? We'll never know.

Maybe it was tactical, a way to give Rodgers 2 weeks off (a tactic, in recent times, proven not to work) but regardless, you have to count Rodgers' last game, and the lack of "value" his team did or did not miss out on.

Justice would award Brees MVP by a landslide. But like the Oscars, it's not about the best performance, it's about the most popular.

yeah I made that point that it could, and probably will in some cases, count against Rodgers. As you say, for the backup to come in and shatter records, does that mean that Rodgers is the Most Valuable Player in the league?

For those who make the point that Manning is this years MVP (as Colts are nothing without him) this will be prudent. If a backup can come in and do a more than adequate job, it kind of nullifies the point.

I still think rodgers will get it, just the above could well be an argument the voters will use.

matthew8

davyjose wrote: »

You're being too fair. Rodgers' last game should be counted. I love Rodgers, but could Drew Brees' backup have thrown for more TD's than his starter had thrown for since high school? Or would Rodgers have broken Brady's Single Season record? We'll never know.

Maybe it was tactical, a way to give Rodgers 2 weeks off (a tactic, in recent times, proven not to work) but regardless, you have to count Rodgers' last game, and the lack of "value" his team did or did not miss out on.

Justice would award Brees MVP by a landslide. But like the Oscars, it's not about the best performance, it's about the most popular.

In fairness Detroit's defense is a load of rubbish and Matt Flynn is a good player. And Aaron Rodgers rushed for 257 yards and 3 scores, compared to Brees 86 and 1 score.

davyjose

matthew8 wrote: »

In fairness Detroit's defense is a load of rubbish and Matt Flynn is a good player. And Aaron Rodgers rushed for 257 yards and 3 scores, compared to Brees 86 and 1 score.

Rodgers was my MVP up until a few weeks ago, but IMO he counted himself out of the race by stepping out of that last game, unfair as it may be. What Brees did over the course of a full season is far more impressive.

Pherekydes

davyjose wrote: »

Rodgers was my MVP up until a few weeks ago, but IMO he counted himself out of the race by stepping out of that last game, unfair as it may be. What Brees did over the course of a full season is far more impressive.

Rodgers was NFC Offensive player of the month for September, October and November. You want to discount that based on one game that he didn't play in because his back-up had a great game? Doesn't make any sense.

bruschi

Pherekydes wrote: »

Rodgers was NFC Offensive player of the month for September, October and November. You want to discount that based on one game that he didn't play in because his back-up had a great game? Doesn't make any sense.

I think it comes back to the NFLs definition of 'Most Valuable Player'. If Rodgers goes down, and misses the next game, will he be sorely missed? Is he the most valuable player to the Packers?

I think all that is being said is that Flynns game has put a seed of doubt in that. Its just a different viewpoint to him getting the award, and for those arguing that Brees deserves it.

My view is that he is the MVP, and would be missed. But I can logically see the argument against it.

Pherekydes

bruschi wrote: »

I think it comes back to the NFLs definition of 'Most Valuable Player'. If Rodgers goes down, and misses the next game, will he be sorely missed? Is he the most valuable player to the Packers?

I think all that is being said is that Flynns game has put a seed of doubt in that. Its just a different viewpoint to him getting the award, and for those arguing that Brees deserves it.

My view is that he is the MVP, and would be missed. But I can logically see the argument against it.

In my opinion, you can only take games played into account. There's no way of knowing how the Colts would have done with Manning, or how the Packers-Lions game would have played out with Rodgers at the helm or how the Packers' season would have gone with Flynn at QB.

All points are moot. Give the award based on game play.

davyjose

Pherekydes wrote: »

Rodgers was NFC Offensive player of the month for September, October and November. You want to discount that based on one game that he didn't play in because his back-up had a great game? Doesn't make any sense.

How am I discounting it? Being O player of the month doesn't guarantee him MVP status. Rodgers stepped off over the last few weeks (barring another phenom performance in week 16), and Brees simply surpassed him. Can't see how MVP race ends in November?

in the two weeks since rodgers touched a football, Brees destroyed a 27 year old record, and had another mentally elite performance tonight.

You seem to be ruling Brees out a helluva a lot more readily than I am to Rodgers. it's almost as if we daren't question Rodgers' right to MVP?