Israeli navy boards irish Gaza-bound boats

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video link - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2011/nov/04/israel-navy-intercepts-gaza-flotilla-video

The Israeli military said no one was hurt when naval commandos boarded the Irish MV Saoirse and the Canadian vessel Al-Tahrir after the captains refused repeated requests to turn around.

Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs Eamon Gilmore said in a statement last night: “My initial reaction is one of relief that there has been no violence and that all the Irish nationals aboard the MV Saoirse are safe and well following this ordeal.

“My priority and responsibility throughout this whole episode, as in relation to previous flotillas attempting to sail to Gaza, has been to ensure that no harm would come to any Irish national involved and I am relieved that this has been accomplished.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1105/breaking5.html

Riamfada

For a second there I thought I went back in time

mackg

We should declare war on them for the laugh!

suicide_circus

The Israelis - a great bunch of lads.

Einhard

Well, it is a legal blockade, so they were well within their rights to intercept them,.

joshrogan

mackg wrote: »

We should declare war on them for the laugh!

If we do then I for one welcome our new Israeli overlords.

HavingCrack

Why is a certain section of Irish society so obsessed with Palestine and Israel, there's literally dozens of conflicts around the globe but you don't see any ships sailing to the aid of the Burmese or indigenous people in South America or the suffers of murder and rape in Africa.

westendgirlie

What does the M stand for in MV?

My name is URL

westendgirlie wrote: »

What does the M stand for in MV?

Motor Vessel

HavingCrack wrote: »

Why is a certain section of Irish society so obsessed with Palestine and Israel, there's literally dozens of conflicts around the globe but you don't see any ships sailing to the aid of the Burmese or indigenous people in South America or the suffers of murder and rape in Africa.

Plenty of Irish aid gets to those places, and isn't blocked by 3rd party nations.

HavingCrack

My name is URL wrote: »

Plenty of Irish aid gets to those places.

You know well that isn't the issue I was referring to.

Stupid Israel..

Freddie59

Edz87 wrote: »

Stupid Israel..

Go Israel!:D

Mike 1972

Einhard wrote: »

Well, it is a legal blockade, so they were well within their rights to intercept them,.

How is a blockade in International waters without UN sanction legal ?

Is the MV Saoirse registered in Israel/stateless or something ?

Einhard

Mike 1972 wrote: »

How is a blockade in International waters without UN sanction legal ?

Is the MV Saoirse registered in Israel/stateless or something ?

The maritime blockade of Gaza was declared legal in the UN commissioned Palmer report.

Dudess

HavingCrack wrote: »

Why is a certain section of Irish society so obsessed with Palestine and Israel, there's literally dozens of conflicts around the globe but you don't see any ships sailing to the aid of the Burmese or indigenous people in South America or the suffers of murder and rape in Africa.

They're trying to be trendy apparently.

Oh and the next time Israel bombs a bunch of kids, hopefully those who piss themselves to defend it (for attention) will keep their mouths ****ing shut.

marcsignal

HavingCrack wrote: »

Why is a certain section of Irish society so obsessed with Palestine and Israel, there's literally dozens of conflicts around the globe but you don't see any ships sailing to the aid of the Burmese or indigenous people in South America or the suffers of murder and rape in Africa.

Israel is the only place you hear excuses for barbarity.

My name is URL wrote: »

Plenty of Irish aid gets to those places, and isn't blocked by 3rd party nations.

Crackpot regimes in Darfur, Somalia, Sri lanka, etc. don't starve people to death in a WW2 style Ghetto, and then beat their critics over the head with the holocaust if they mention it..

Winty

HavingCrack wrote: »

Why is a certain section of Irish society so obsessed with Palestine and Israel, there's literally dozens of conflicts around the globe but you don't see any ships sailing to the aid of the Burmese or indigenous people in South America or the suffers of murder and rape in Africa.

Pro IRA Irish support the Palestine terrorism in Isreal

Einhard

Dudess wrote: »

Oh and the next time Israel bombs a bunch of kids, hopefully those who piss themselves to defend it (for attention) will keep their mouths ****ing shut.

Or, just a crazy idea mind, people should be allowed to give their opinions on matters, even if they do differ from Dudess'.

Winty

marcsignal wrote: »

Israel is the only place you hear excuses for barbarity..

Are you sure ???

Shall I name 3

marcsignal

Winty wrote: »

Pro IRA Irish support the Palestine terrorism in Isreal

Audio Version for the hard of hearing :cool:

Winty wrote: »

Are you sure ???

Shall I name 3

Fire away.

Winty

marcsignal wrote: »

Fire away.

To quote you

Darfur, Somalia, and Sri lanka

Freddie59

Dudess wrote: »

They're trying to be trendy apparently.

Oh and the next time Israel bombs a bunch of kids, hopefully those who piss themselves to defend it (for attention) will keep their mouths ****ing shut.

No love for Israel then D? Or THEIR children!!!

marcsignal

Winty wrote: »

To quote you

Darfur, Somalia, and Sri lanka

and what excuses do their non-existant lobby groups use to justify whats going on there?

Freddie59

Einhard wrote: »

Or, just a crazy idea mind, people should be allowed to give their opinions on matters, even if they do differ from Dudess'.

Never happen!:D

Dudess

Einhard wrote: »

Dudess wrote: »

Oh and the next time Israel bombs a bunch of kids, hopefully those who piss themselves to defend it (for attention) will keep their mouths ****ing shut.

Or, just a crazy idea mind, people should be allowed to give their opinions on matters, even if they do differ from Dudess'.

I'd take my hat off to them if they could actually formulate a decent argument as to why Israel's hugely disproportionate defence tactics are a good thing, but until then, "I want to sock it to the hippies and look really tough and right-wing/I hate Muslims" won't wash...

Son Of A Vidic

Winty wrote: »

Pro IRA Irish support the Palestine terrorism in Isreal

Pro-IRA? Wtf have they got to do with this thread. Will you also blame them if we have a bad winter this year?

You obviously missed the Good Friday agreement, weapons decommissioning, the declaration the war was over and the 2008 IMC report.

Winty

marcsignal wrote: »

and what excuses do their non-existant lobby groups use to justify whats going on there?

1 google search has all you need, so simple

The Sri Lankan government’s immediate reaction is simply to say this is fabrication.

http://livewire.amnesty.org/2011/06/14/denying-the-truth-will-not-bury-it/


Israel is doing nothing wrong protecting its people from terrorism

c_man

Einhard wrote: »

The maritime blockade of Gaza was declared legal in the UN commissioned Palmer report.

Shush, nobody wants to hear facts!

conorhal

I really couldn't care less. One thing I am curious about though, who's funding these 'useful idiots'?
No doubt the ships they use are probably rust buckets on the verge of getting scrapped when they buy them (an added bonus of buying a junker is that when it breaks down they can then shriek SABOTAGE! for a little extra publicity) so I'd say they get them cheap but the cost of these endevors still must run to hundreds of thousands of euro. Where's the money coming from?
I'd say that wherever it's raised, there are probably a lot of names on the list of doners that not even Sean Gallagher would take an envelope off.....
Anybody actually know?

Bannasidhe

I once heard Israeli actions in Gaza described as Jewish Fascism.

By an Israeli who had just finished their military national service there.

Dudess

Freddie59 wrote: »

Dudess wrote: »

They're trying to be trendy apparently.

Oh and the next time Israel bombs a bunch of kids, hopefully those who piss themselves to defend it (for attention) will keep their mouths ****ing shut.

No love for Israel then D? Or THEIR children!!!

Oh I certainly have sympathy for Israelis living in fear and I don't get sexually aroused by taking one side, I condemn violence across the spectrum but agree Israel has the right to defend itself, however, what's the ott disproportionate **** about?

Winty

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

You obviously missed the Good Friday agreement, weapons decommissioning, the declaration the war was over and the 2008 IMC report.

You obviosly think the IRA has just disappeared, its a fact that IRA supports fly the palestinian flag is it not?

Dudess

marcsignal wrote: »

HavingCrack wrote: »

Why is a certain section of Irish society so obsessed with Palestine and Israel, there's literally dozens of conflicts around the globe but you don't see any ships sailing to the aid of the Burmese or indigenous people in South America or the suffers of murder and rape in Africa.

Israel is the only place you hear excuses for barbarity.

My name is URL wrote: »

Plenty of Irish aid gets to those places, and isn't blocked by 3rd party nations.

Crackpot regimes in Darfur, Somalia, Sri lanka, etc. don't starve people to death in a WW2 style Ghetto, and then beat their critics over the head with the holocaust if they mention it..

Ah now, that's just silly. Darfur and Somalia are horrific places.

Einhard

Dudess wrote: »

I'd take my hat off to them if they could actually formulate a decent argument as to why Israel's hugely disproportionate defence tactics are a good thing, but until then, "I want to sock it to the hippies and look really tough and right-wing/I hate Muslims" won't wash...

Now that's some generalisation!

marcsignal

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Pro-IRA?

Exactly Corvus Maximus. I find that old chestnut laugable

I've never been, and never will be 'Pro IRA' in any context, ever, in my 45yrs.

Son Of A Vidic

Winty wrote: »

You obviosly think the IRA has just disappeared, its a fact that IRA supports fly the palestinian flag is it not?

Still obsessing I see, I'll ask you the question again then.

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Pro-IRA? Wtf have they got to do with this thread.

R P McMurphy

c_man wrote: »

Shush, nobody wants to hear facts!

While the Palmer report certainly commented on the legality of the blockade, it is still a far cry from the UN declaring it a legal blockade and certainly the report needs to be looked at in relation to Turkish-Israeli relations.

Siuin

Is there any support for Israeli claims that there was no actual aid on the ships...?
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4143893,00.html

Einhard

R P McMurphy wrote: »

While the Palmer report certainly commented on the legality of the blockade, it is still a far cry from the UN declaring it a legal blockade and certainly the report needs to be looked at in relation to Turkish-Israeli relations.

The UN doesn't need to declare something legal for it to be so, anymore than than the Supreme Court needs to declare your actions legal in order for them to be so. The blockade is recognised as legal under international law. That's fact. Now, whether it's moral is another thing, but its legality is not in question, and to state otherwise is simply disingenuous.

dlofnep

Winty wrote: »

You obviosly think the IRA has just disappeared, its a fact that IRA supports fly the palestinian flag is it not?

It's a fact that it's irrelevant, and your posts are full to the brim of logical fallacies.

Allow me to introduce you to Ad Hominem. He is the best friend of those who lack critical thinking skills.

Winty

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Still obsessing I see, I'll ask you the question again then.

Please read the WHOLE tread not just the IRA bits.

The question was asked

Why is a certain section of Irish society so obsessed with Palestine and Israel,

IMO its beacuse they are PRO IRA supporters of Palestine.

nacho libre

Personally I think Sudan should be excused over Darfur, on the basis, that other nations are also guilty of horrific human rights abuses and we don't hear as much about them. We should also excuse instances of wrong doing by people we support, by citing others have done worse.
It's never right to consistently condemn wrong doing, so deflection should be used when appropriate.

mongoman

c_man wrote: »

Shush, nobody wants to hear facts!

Then you mightn't want to know how many times Israel ignored and flagrantly breached countless UN resolutions. Even Saddam didn't get close.

Winty

dlofnep wrote: »

It's a fact that it's irrelevant, and your posts are full to the brim of logical fallacies.

Allow me to introduce you to Ad Hominem. He is the best friend of those who lack critical thinking skills.

Allow me to introduce http://www.crethiplethi.com/ira-plo-cooperation-a-long-cozy-relationship/israel/2010/

marcsignal

Winty wrote: »

1 google search has all you need, so simple



http://livewire.amnesty.org/2011/06/14/denying-the-truth-will-not-bury-it/


Israel is doing nothing wrong protecting its people from terrorism

Not the same thing. In Israel we're talking about a foreign army collectively torturing an occupied people.

Nor do Darfur Sri Lanka and Somalia claim to be 'Democracies' so you get what it says on the tin.

Winty

dlofnep wrote: »

It's a fact that it's irrelevant, and your posts are full to the brim of logical fallacies.

Allow me to introduce you to Ad Hominem. He is the best friend of those who lack critical thinking skills.

BTW

Thanks thats is very cool

Siuin

Winty wrote: »

Allow me to introduce http://www.crethiplethi.com/ira-plo-cooperation-a-long-cozy-relationship/israel/2010/

Oh please, at least use a respectable website. I've seen this guy's work before and he is quite obviously a disturbed, islamophobic bigot

mongoman

Winty wrote: »

Please read the WHOLE tread not just the IRA bits.

The question was asked

IMO its beacuse they are PRO IRA supporters of Palestine.

Your the one that dragged the IRA into it last time I checked. But then that's to be expected from some. I'm was never pro-IRA, but I have sympathy for the brutalised, state-less Palestinians alright. So quit your bullshít assumptions and you still haven't answered CM's question.:rolleyes:

R P McMurphy

Einhard wrote: »

The UN doesn't need to declare something legal for it to be so, anymore than than the Supreme Court needs to declare your actions legal in order for them to be so. The blockade is recognised as legal under international law. That's fact. Now, whether it's moral is another thing, but its legality is not in question, and to state otherwise is simply disingenuous.

And how is it disingenuous to question whether the blockade is legal or not. The UN adds credence to any claims. The legality of the blockade is not clear cut under international law and to claim that it is that is disingenuous. There are many lawyers that differ on the issue

marcsignal

Dudess wrote: »

Ah now, that's just silly. Darfur and Somalia are horrific places.

I completely agree. I'm just saying that the perpetrators there don't blame the fact they were colonised and perhaps persecuted in the past by europeans, to justify what they are doing to each other.

dlofnep

Winty wrote: »

Allow me to introduce http://www.crethiplethi.com/ira-plo-cooperation-a-long-cozy-relationship/israel/2010/

That is not relevant. You have made a deliberate attempt to attack the character of supporters of Palestine, rather than discuss or critique the actual merit of their support. It may be true that some supporters of Palestine have supported similar movements to overthrow an oppressive regime - but it is not true that all supporters of Palestine supported the IRA.

Basically, you've not demonstrated any form of critical thinking in this thread, and as such - your views come across as poorly constructed, and of little value.