Obama heaps praise on NATO while Libya's rebels take revenge

cyberhog

Obama praised the way French and American forces served together -- commanders who planned and executed the operation, pilots who prevented a massacre in Benghazi, tanker crews who sustained the operation from bases in France, airmen who delivered lifesaving aid and the sailors and Marines who enforced the arms embargo at sea, among them.

He noted that American pilots flew French fighter jets off a French carrier in the Mediterranean Sea during the operation. “Allies don’t get any closer than that,” he said.

“Every man and woman in uniform who participated in this effort can know that you have accomplished every objective,” Obama said, noting that they saved Libyan lives and gave the Libyan people an opportunity to enjoy freedom and democracy.

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=65965

Ah nothing like the warm and cosy feeling of uncritical satisfaction with one's own accomplishments. USA! USA! :rolleyes:


Nevermind that Libya is plunging into a cycle of tribal violence and retribution.

SITTING in their home on the outskirts of Tripoli, a Libyan family is afraid. Their fear is that a knock on the door could come from the rebel militias that toppled Muammar Gaddafi.

This situation is extraordinary. Only weeks ago, these people were enthusiastic supporters of the uprising against the Gaddafi regime. One of the members of the family sitting in the living room was a rebel fighter. He spent two days in a gunfight in Tripoli battling the bodyguards of Gaddafi's son Mutassim, and still keeps a Kalashnikov in the boot of his car.

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Gaddafi is barely in his grave and the ruling rebels are already acting in a way reminiscent of some of Gaddafi's henchmen during his 42 years as dictator. "Mafia," says the member of the family who fought as a rebel, describing the behaviour of the militias.

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This situation, which is being replicated across Libya, reflects the most pressing problem for the country after Gaddafi.The rebels who came to the house were from the Misratah brigades -

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But while the brigades created awe during the war, they now cause fear. One Libyan university student observes: "The Misratah rebels probably need five years of therapy. They need a lot of help."

At present, however, revenge clearly prevails over rehabilitation. There is a growing list of human rights abuses by the Misratah brigades.

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The symmetry of a civil war that leads to a change of regime is shown by the fact Human Rights Watch has gone from documenting massacres by the pro-Gaddafi forces to those by the anti-Gaddafi forces.

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At first vigilante justice was dealt out just to the Tawerghans. Now it is spreading, with rebels fanning out across the country as a law unto themselves. And there are no signs of the situation being brought under control.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/libyas-rebels-take-revenge/story-e6frg6ux-1226186182145

The truth is all Obama and his French poodle have done is given the rebel nutjobs free rein to take revenge on whoever they like.

Denerick

Praise Gadaffi! Praise Gadaffi! Praise Gadaffi!

AlekSmart

Denerick wrote: »

Praise Gadaffi! Praise Gadaffi! Praise Gadaffi!

Praise Gadaffi...?

Not perhaps in the manner you might suggest,ie: blindly accepting his misdeeds and mistakes..no for sure not.

But I am not so sure that Col Gadaffi was less possessed of an understanding of his country's political,social and tribal realities than any of the UN/NATO assistees who now comprise the Libyan Government.

The leadership of the Mistratah Brigades have been spectacularly successful in how they have managed to position themselves post Gadaffi.

Their ability to get UN/NATO 100% behind them has allowed their particular brand of "Freedom" to be seen as the dominant one for the new Libya...something which many many other strands of Libyan society are not particularly happy with.

Barrack Obama,Nicolas Sarkozy,Silvio Berlusconi,David Cameron and their assorted Military Leaders knew Jack-Shytt about Libya,its peoples or their traditions before deciding to topple Col Gadaffi...but I will venture that these gents will now embark on a VERY steep learning curve indeed as the reality of a new and highly unstable North African country lumbers across their neatly arranged world stage.

What price Irish Blue Berets in Sirte before St Patricks Day.....?

wingsof daun

“Every man and woman in uniform who participated in this effort can know that you have accomplished every objective,” Obama said, noting that they saved Libyan lives and gave the Libyan people an opportunity to enjoy freedom and democracy.

Slavery is freedom - this is what Obama means when he uses such terms, I don't think he realizes it though, strangely enough. Why is there nothing of the crimes committed daily on civilians reported? Is there no media there anymore? Very strange. The genocide of Libya continues while the world turns a blind eye. The crimes committed by rebel brigades would make your hair stand on end. Crimes that could not be said on here due to their violent nature. A family with the surname Gaddafi tried to flee Libya in their car and all members were shot while in their car including parents and young children, they were killed because of their surname. An elder was paraded around a small town while being beaten and was then electrocuted to death with two live cables, he was hung "to make an example of him".

Brown Bomber

wingsof daun wrote: »

“Every man and woman in uniform who participated in this effort can know that you have accomplished every objective,” Obama said, noting that they saved Libyan lives and gave the Libyan people an opportunity to enjoy freedom and democracy.

Slavery is freedom - this is what Obama means when he uses such terms, I don't think he realizes it though, strangely enough. Why is there nothing of the crimes committed daily on civilians reported? Is there no media there anymore? Very strange. The genocide of Libya continues while the world turns a blind eye. The crimes committed by rebel brigades would make your hair stand on end. Crimes that could not be said on here due to their violent nature. A family with the surname Gaddafi tried to flee Libya in their car and all members were shot while in their car including parents and young children, they were killed because of their surname. An elder was paraded around a small town while being beaten and was then electrocuted to death with two live cables, he was hung "to make an example of him".

I'm not going to link to them because the last time I linked to atrocities carried out by the rebels I was banned but mobile phone footage of Gadaffi being sodomised with a knife by a rebel during his capture has been released by GlobalPost.com. Also, the photos of the remains of women who are supposed to have been Gadaffi's female bodyguards, "The Amazonian Guard" are also available online for anyone who has the stomach for it.

Jonny7

wingsof daun wrote: »

Slavery is freedom - this is what Obama means when he uses such terms, I don't think he realizes it though, strangely enough. Why is there nothing of the crimes committed daily on civilians reported? Is there no media there anymore? Very strange. The genocide of Libya continues while the world turns a blind eye. The crimes committed by rebel brigades would make your hair stand on end. Crimes that could not be said on here due to their violent nature. A family with the surname Gaddafi tried to flee Libya in their car and all members were shot while in their car including parents and young children, they were killed because of their surname. An elder was paraded around a small town while being beaten and was then electrocuted to death with two live cables, he was hung "to make an example of him".

Links for this?

Or is this the story you are referring to?
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/family-shot-by-rebels-because-of-gaddafi-surname.html

AlekSmart

Jonny7 wrote: »

Links for this?

Or is this the story you are referring to?
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/family-shot-by-rebels-because-of-gaddafi-surname.html

Oddly enough,I think the constant need for "links" or "proofs" of Libyan events on both sides is but proof the we ourselves don't quite fully accept Mr Obama's sitrep regarding his "Job Well Done".

Back in Feburary Libya was faced with a Public Order situation which,for reasons as yet unrevealed,was adopted by revolutionary elements who,surprisingly enough,secured an unprecedented level of interest and,even more oddly,Direct sanction for Military action.

Even then,with complete domination of Libyan airspace,this "popular" revolution fizzed and popped for a further 6 months as Government forces attempted,and were largely succeeding in countering the insurgency.

It was only after the Libyan Governments access to it's financial resources was denied and it's ability to run it's own affairs thus compromised,that the ordinary people of Libya were forced...oops sorry, persuaded, to facilitate the rebel cause.

It needs to be recognized that many areas of Libya remained somewhat more loyal to Gadaffi and his principles right up to the end,and remain so even in the now ruined shell of what was the most stable country in the Region.

Mr Obama,and his supporting cast of lesser European "Princes Regents", would have us all believe that what remains of this former independent State now represents a true model of what Western intervention can do for an oppressed people.

I could,as Jony7 and others do,ask for links,proofs and all manner of supporting media to satisfy my personal doubts on this,but I know full well that we have long passed the point of such items being in any way relevant to the very real destruction we (The Western Allies) have now visited upon these people.

Any attempts to research the "Old" Libyan order now usually results in the probing individual being drawn back to 1996 and the Abu Salim massacre and the ever unfolding newly unearthed accounts of this massacre.

Mr Obama and friends have taken upon themselves Col Gadaffi's former role of dutiful parent to thge Libyan people,they have even managed to do it by forceful and hugely destructive means totally counter to Gadaffi's own deposition of King Idris in 1969.

Sometimes there can be little tidbits lurking around in corners uninspected by the PC Police too as I found here in a piece dated 26th August...

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/libya-mission-continues-as-end-of-conflict-nears-361281/

.....particularly the following sentence....

NATO air forces have notched up more than 20,000 sorties so far, but in a tactically limited role. The alliance was authorised only to enforce an arms embargo and a no-fly zone, as well as protect civilians from attacks by either side.

Now this interpretation is quite interesting and one could wonder where the writer,Stephen Trimble,an experienced aviation correspondent,could have gotten it from..

However,"To the Victor cometh the spoils" and all we can do at this juncture is seek references to where it's all going to end up