Fr.Gabriel Amorth ( Exorcist ) speaks out about Medjugorje

Onesimus

Ignoring the apparitions in Medjugorje is unforgivable for Christians, says Rome’s leading exorcist who shakes his head at those who wait until the Church has ruled. Speaking of “betrayal” Fr. Gabriele Amorth also lashes out at bishops and priests for being indifferent to the fruits of Medjugorje.

How many people here have visited this wonderful place of apparition?

Onesimus

soterpisc

Onesimus wrote: »

Ignoring the apparitions in Medjugorje is unforgivable for Christians, says Rome’s leading exorcist who shakes his head at those who wait until the Church has ruled. Speaking of “betrayal” Fr. Gabriele Amorth also lashes out at bishops and priests for being indifferent to the fruits of Medjugorje.

How many people here have visited this wonderful place of apparition?

Onesimus

I haven't visited it yet, But I have a good Friend who is a Priest in Rome and he pretty much is saying the same as above. Anyone I know who has gone there has said it was an amazing experience.

I think what a Catholic needs to ask themselves about Medjugorje is:- Does its message lead me away from the Catholic Church and Christ or nearer to it. If its message were heretical The Church would be very quick to come out and condemn it.

lmaopml

Hmm, I don't think the Church are very quick to come out and either condone or indeed condemn these things - thank God. They are very careful that a message is inline with the Gospels..

Out of the vast swathes of apparitions and various different people worldover who say they are prophets - I think the Church is wise in taking time. Very many feel an affinity with various things that people preach - but anything required is always 'right' in front of a Christian always, and nothing more is necessary, except what helps...friendship, family, a sense of community etc. can provide a person examples in fellowship....

I've never visited Medjugorje, it's not somewhere I find an affinity with - it seems to be somewhere people go to 'see' an extraordinary event to strengthen faith...It reminds me of doubting Thomas sometimes -

Truth be told, I'm scared of the effect of Medjugorje and what it sells.

mcmoustache

I saw that woman who claimed to have seen a european Blessed Virgin there on the Late Late Show. It was fairly painful viewing. The woman's eyes were fairly mental although that could have been due to her medication. The visions that she described seemed strange as well.

If the others who saw this vision were anything like this woman, I wouldn't have any faith in their stories. The story was also a bit clichéd.

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The videos in the Apparitions section...they just focus in on some woman for the entire duration...

soterpisc

lmaopml wrote: »

Truth be told, I'm scared of the effect of Medjugorje and what it sells.

What effects...? A lot of the messages ring similar to Fatima. If its a hoax.. well they have played it well of the last 20 years.

Onesimus

soterpisc wrote: »

What effects...? A lot of the messages ring similar to Fatima. If its a hoax.. well they have played it well of the last 20 years.

Soterpisc sssshhhh. *whispers* if a well respected exorcist of the Church cant persuade them, not me, you or anyone will.

soterpisc

Onesimus wrote: »

Soterpisc sssshhhh. *whispers* if a well respected exorcist of the Church cant persuade them, not me, you or anyone will.

Well I am not 100% sure on it. But 540,000 visits were registered from Cardinals, Bishops, priests and nuns.

I have always been slow to warm to the place. But a priest who also did not believe it in was "converted" when he visited.

I suppose who you look at a world drowning in Materialism and loosing belief in God,,is it so hard to believe in a message from Bosnia?

Onesimus

soterpisc wrote: »

Well I am not 100% sure on it. But 540,000 visits were registered from Cardinals, Bishops, priests and nuns.

I have always been slow to warm to the place. But a priest who also did not believe it in was "converted" when he visited.

I suppose who you look at a world drowning in Materialism and loosing belief in God,,is it so hard to believe in a message from Bosnia?

Was it wise for the apostles to follow Christ when we wasnt approved by those who sat in the chair of moses? And yet in the Gospel he was obedient to them but when they told him not to preach this could not be done, for nobody can prevent the spirit from speaking. St.Paul tells us in his letters never to surpress the spirit of Prohecy.

The world has always been drowning in materialism what makes today any different other than it's increased?. The bishops of Fatima didnt believe in Fatima and yet it was true. The end result of suppression of the Holy Spirit and the 7 years lag time they took to approve it was two world wars. This is what happens when we dont listen to the Spirit.

The problem we have is that people can choose not to believe in Fatima, Church approved or not, the Church still doesnt require them to believe in it. And there are bishops and clergy out there who still refuse to believe even Fatima.

It is true that false prophets and charlatans are falling upon us like rain and it can be so easy to overlook a true one like Medjugorje because of this. We get so used to false ones that when the true one comes along we are so conditioned and brainwashed by the false that view it that way.

Bottom line is, us humans are so good at missing the Rose amongst thorns you think we would have known that by now, what with the crucifying of Christ, John the Baptist, and the persectution of St.Faustina and Padre Pio by the Church and St.John of the Cross and St.Ignatius of Loyola, the list is endless.

So like I said we are common at rejecting that even when a leading Exorcist priest who knows love when he sees it, tells us these messages are authentic we STILL hold to our personal rejection.

I'll never be able to wrap my head around it, and I guess I'll just have to allow people be served by their opinions and misconceptions about this and that, because lets face it, if Jesus couldnt convince them of his divinity whilst here on earth and the apostles found it hard to do also, what makes me or any believer any different when trying to invite fellow humans to the simplicity of Our Lady's messages?.

But like God made pharoahs heart stubborn and triumphed in the end, the same will happen here. God always knows the future and knows that people will reject him, he knows people will do this and he allows it, but just when society thinks they have one up on God ( like Pharoah ) he will close in the waves of common sense upon them and they'll suddenly see, hear and feel the truth with their whole being.

Onesimus

noel farrell

the bishop of mostar does not believe in it, i am sure you will agree with me , he is near by, 20 minutes or so , he has all the facts . i have been there many times not on pilgrimage as i am not rc . i can assure there is a lot of evil there if you scratch the surface . i was out there one year, after the first visions .there was lots of in fighting between the local priests,and the bishop in fact it is still going on .if you want to be better informed google, medugorje hoax . i am not saying all of this is true but check it out . as the bible says we are not be like corks in the sea tossed to and fro . test all the spirits , after all is not satan not like an angel of light . god bless

texidub

What about the people who have lost their eyesight staring up at the sky there waiting for a vision? I mean, people have gone permanently blind there... like some kind of inverted miracle. Tis a cruel world...

Onesimus

texidub wrote: »

What about the people who have lost their eyesight staring up at the sky there waiting for a vision? I mean, people have gone permanently blind there... like some kind of inverted miracle. Tis a cruel world...

That's their responsability not Our Lady's.

Baggio1

Onesimus hahaha i hear ya with that pic :pac::pac:

ughhh the constant tedious remarks accusing the lords mother of being a sinner is just sooo insulting to her.... yet these anti catholic crew never stop and think?! -... did Jesus love/adore his mother?? do they not think for a moment - "hey by insulting his mother will he pat me on the back in heaven and say hey good job bro!?" >.... again its just soo disrespectful and insulting and such a huge chance to take with our own possible salvation to be insulting the the lords very own mother... she was sinless and remained so all her life as God wished and granted/////
i wouldn't be sooo dumb and disrespectful to take any chance with that level of grace from God - to be be so brain dead as to insult it coz of objections to another creed,, which lets face it is whats really behind all the insults to Our Lady.

Having said allll that...... I personally think Medjugorie may well be false its message seems at odds with Fatima and Garrabandal,,, and yes its true theres a lot of in fighting , this is a sign of Pride at work... ( you know that word that got Satan chucked out of heaven and the homosexual crowd have chosen as their so called slogan?) .... so yehahh many have visited this place and talked highly of it.... but for me the bits and pieces just dont add up and the signs of in fighting are a bad sign.

lmaopml

soterpisc wrote: »

What effects...? A lot of the messages ring similar to Fatima. If its a hoax.. well they have played it well of the last 20 years.

True soterpisc. I'm not 'condemning' Medjugorje - please don't read too much into my own 'personal' feelings, that probably aren't properly formed even - some is just from brief youtube clips etc. - so not overly educated on all the facts re Medjugorje.

I guess, what I am glad about is that belief in Medjugorje, for example is not a test of Orthodoxy, or Catholicism, which I am very glad about, and that the Church take their time...It shouldn't seperate Catholics imo who have various views on these things. I'll certainly not dispute that it promotes devotion...and very many seem to gain spiritual renewal there.

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Baggio1 wrote: »

Onesimus hahaha i hear ya with that pic :pac::pac:

ughhh the constant tedious remarks accusing the lords mother of being a sinner is just sooo insulting to her.... yet these anti catholic crew never stop and think?! -... did Jesus love/adore his mother?? do they not think for a moment - "hey by insulting his mother will he pat me on the back in heaven and say hey good job bro!?" >.... again its just soo disrespectful and insulting and such a huge chance to take with our own possible salvation to be insulting the the lords very own mother... she was sinless and remained so all her life as God wished and granted/////
i wouldn't be sooo dumb and disrespectful to take any chance with that level of grace from God - to be be so brain dead as to insult it coz of objections to another creed,, which lets face it is whats really behind all the insults to Our Lady.

Having said allll that...... I personally think Medjugorie may well be false its message seems at odds with Fatima and Garrabandal,,, and yes its true theres a lot of in fighting , this is a sign of Pride at work... ( you know that word that got Satan chucked out of heaven and the homosexual crowd have chosen as their so called slogan?) .... so yehahh many have visited this place and talked highly of it.... but for me the bits and pieces just dont add up and the signs of in fighting are a bad sign.

I worry that you mock with your picture which you've quickly deleted...I know how Catholics must not like to hear the truth. 'And no marvel, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light'. (2 Cor 11:14)

This is playing with fire. But you no doubt mean well, but what do they say about that road to hell?

I've looked at that heretical website (that donation button should be a red flag in itself you know) . Read, read, and then re-read once more those 'messages' on the right-hand side. Here are a couple of sentences that stood out for me:

If you open your hearts, I will lead you.

I am with you and incessantly intercede before God for all of you that your faith may always be alive and joyful, and in the love of God. Thank you for having responded to my call.

Thank you for having responded to my call.

Are you serious?? Aren't you running a mile from this? Clearly not, but you should be! But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! (Gal 1:8)

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

she was sinless and remained so all her life

That must be why she said this then?? Doesn't sound to me like someone who wasn't a sinner and didn't need saving?! And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

"Woman, what have I to do with thee?" John 2:4 - Doesn't sound much like Jesus saw Mary as a 'Blessed Virgin' does it? As someone without sin?

Renounce all of this nonsense before it is too late, and don't be deceived by Satan:

And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.—Revelation 13:14

Onesimus

Eh for the reckord the pic of the guy behind a computer yawning was not deleted by me at all.

And may I just say we have all the self styled experts in visions hopping in again and disproving medjugorje with their self styled expert arguments.

tedious, madness and the fact that lmao's post was met with thanks from a virulent anti-catholic, then followed by support from a non-Christian, followed by newsites idoltry and mary is spinner speel, compared to the amount of believers of medj in this thread really does say it all.

I'm with the exorcist on this one and I believe in medjugorje. I'm not going to spend hours trying to convince people of medj. Not my job, as Vicka said for the disbeleivers Our Lady will wait for their fiat and response.

Onesimus

lmaopml

Newsite, in fairness that's a mixed up soup of Catholic/Protestant things?

Catholics get tired of constantly reassuring our Christian brothers and sisters that they don't 'worship' Our Lady, they honour her, and call her 'blessed' - or indeed worship statues, they're only bits of clay painted..lol....sometimes can be brass or whatever...


..and Protestants in very many cases seem to pay more attention to 'others' love and admiration of Our Lady, and way too much time thinking statues have power over Catholics - It can get monotonous.

There are various forms of idolatory, in fact it can take many forms.....ALL Christians need to be on their guard at all times.

texidub

Onesimus wrote: »

That's their responsability not Our Lady's.

And if a blind person's sight was restored there, would that be their responsibility too?

Onesimus

texidub wrote: »

And if a blind person's sight was restored there, would that be their responsibility too?

No that would be the responsabilty of God through the intercession of Our Lady if that is how it occured.

But seeing as its their choice to lift their eyes and stare at the sun then whatever illness they suffer from that is truly their fault as nobody asks them to do this.

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Onesimus wrote: »

Eh for the reckord the pic of the guy behind a computer yawning was not deleted by me at all.

And may I just say we have all the self styled experts in visions hopping in again and disproving medjugorje with their self styled expert arguments.

tedious, madness and the fact that lmao's post was met with thanks from a virulent anti-catholic, then followed by support from a non-Christian, followed by newsites idoltry and mary is spinner speel, compared to the amount of believers of medj in this thread really does say it all.

I'm with the exorcist on this one and I believe in medjugorje. I'm not going to spend hours trying to convince people of medj. Not my job, as Vicka said for the disbeleivers Our Lady will wait for their fiat and response.

Onesimus

Says what? I'm not out to attack anyone, I'm here to tell you what the Word of God says. It's telling that you have turned this into a thread about you, rather than looking to the Scripture for the truth.

I'm with the exorcist on this one and I believe in medjugorje.

Beware Satan. You're admitting that you are siding with a mortal man, a sinner priest, over the Word of God.

lmaopml wrote: »

Newsite, in fairness that's a mixed up soup of Catholic/Protestant things?

How so? Not that it matters what label you put on the truth.

lmaopml wrote: »

Catholics get tired of constantly reassuring our Christian brothers and sisters that they don't 'worship' Our Lady, they honour her, and call her 'blessed' - or indeed worship statues, they're only bits of clay painted..lol....sometimes can be brass or whatever...

..and Protestants in very many cases seem to pay more attention to 'others' love and admiration of Our Lady, and way too much time thinking statues have power over Catholics - It can get monotonous.

There are various forms of idolatory, in fact it can take many forms.....ALL Christians need to be on their guard at all times.

This is fudging the issue, more 'que sera sera' stuff, and what the Devil would have you say. 'Oh sure it's not really an idol, it's just a statue made of clay...it's not worship, it's 'veneration', it's 'honouring'. This is the language of relativity.

Don't 'harden your heart' on this matter: Exodus 7:22, "And the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, neither did he hearken unto them; as the LORD had said."

Mary was a vessel through which God brought Jesus into the world. She was a sinner who recognised her sinful nature, who recognised that she needed her Saviour.

People will say they see all things, they hear all sorts of things - have been for centuries. The fact that the Catholics or supporters of same on this thread cannot agree whether Medugorje is real or not speaks volumes. The fact that there is ANY doubt as to whether it is real or not tells the whole story.

If nothing else, consider the characteristics of miracles performed by Jesus in His time. Were they shock and awe affairs? Were they marvellous demonstrations. No, they were not - in fact the opposite is the case! He even went as far as to tell people not to tell others of His miracles!!

When he came down from the mountain, great crowds followed him. And behold, a leper came to him and knelt before him, saying, "Lord, if you will, you can make me clean." And Jesus stretched out his hand and touched him, saying, "I will; be clean." And immediately his leprosy was cleansed. And Jesus said to him, "See that you say nothing to anyone, but go, show yourself to the priest and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a proof to them."

These miracles (as in the example above) didn't even require faith on the part of the healed. So what are we looking at here?!

Don't question these visions - question why you need to believe that such supernatural stuff is real. Believing on Jesus is the beginning and the end of faith. God's Word is ultimate truth, and nothing is true that does not agree with that source. (John 17:17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.).

Do not give glory, devotion, blessings, veneration to anyone other than the Lord, least of all a sinner who went to Heaven.

I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." -Isaiah 42:8

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The Words of Paul himself, who had been converted remember:

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4

Plowman

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PDN

Newsite wrote: »

I worry that you mock with your picture which you've quickly deleted...I know how Catholics must not like to hear the truth. 'And no marvel, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light'. (2 Cor 11:14)

It was me that deleted his picture. The reason I deleted it was because it was a response to your post, which I also deleted. The reason I deleted your post was because I am heartily sick of thread after thread turning into a sectarian Catholic -v- Protestant squabble.

Can posters on both sides of that argument please grow up.

Baggio1

Amen to that..... get back on topic about Medjugorje

kelly1

In relation to the OP, I'm very surprised Fr. Amorth has come out in defense of Medjugorge. I've been there but only as a tourist and I wasn't impressed by the place. I think Medjugorje has all the hall-marks of a fake apparition. No catholic is required to believe in the validity of any apparition, genuine or not. So for Fr. Amorth to claim it sinful to dismiss Medjugorje is simply wrong.

PatricaMcKay2

lmaopml wrote: »

True soterpisc. I'm not 'condemning' Medjugorje - please don't read too much into my own 'personal' feelings, that probably aren't properly formed even - some is just from brief youtube clips etc. - so not overly educated on all the facts re Medjugorje.
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Did not the local Roman Catholic Bishops condemn it? According to pious tradition St Mary when she was on earth said extremely few words, but now when she has probably been brought both body and soul into the new day of the resurrection she suddenly becomes a chatter box? How does that figure?

PatricaMcKay2

PDN wrote: »

It was me that deleted his picture. The reason I deleted it was because it was a response to your post, which I also deleted. The reason I deleted your post was because I am heartily sick of thread after thread turning into a sectarian Catholic -v- Protestant squabble.

Can posters on both sides of that argument please grow up.

Balanced Traditional Roman Catholics are opposed this "apparition".

http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/medjugorje7.htm

Plowman

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PatricaMcKay2

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Honestly this case has more in common with Theresa Gallagher than it does with Lourdes or Fatima (not saying that I believe in them, but can easily understand why people do).

http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/all/2189236/sex-lies-and-apparitions.thtml

Also the suggest that people are sinning for not believing what falls outside the dogma of Church is novel, and NOT traditional Roman Catholic teaching. This is monatism.

soterpisc

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Plowman... Take out a History of the Church, How many Apparitions and Saints have been condemned by Bishops and even by the Church? (Padre Pio if I recall correctly was not a favourite of Vatican at one stage).

In the states I knew the Son of a Spanish Visionary, his mother was Conchita from a Place call Garabandal. And he was convinced his mother really did see the Virgin.

The question Catholics need to ask about Medjugorje is:- Does it lead me away from the Faith taught by the Church or closer?

alex73

Onesimus wrote: »

Ignoring the apparitions in Medjugorje is unforgivable for Christians, says Rome’s leading exorcist who shakes his head at those who wait until the Church has ruled. Speaking of “betrayal” Fr. Gabriele Amorth also lashes out at bishops and priests for being indifferent to the fruits of Medjugorje.

How many people here have visited this wonderful place of apparition?

Onesimus

I think you should read what another vatican exorcist has to say about it.
http://www.tldm.org/News16/BishopAndExorcistAndreaGemmaOnMedjugorjeAbsolutelyDiabolical.htm

My message to anyone who has doubts about the validity of the place is :- Follow the money.

The Visionaries don't appear to be false. The whole thing could be true. Who knows.

But if you are a Practising Catholic. There is no need to even read about it. You already have the fullness of Faith, Sacraments and grace is all you need.

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noel farrell

its very confusing i have read the links one exorcist bishop andrea gemma totally against . exorcist in op for and both installed by hq .just wondering what would happen if one had a session with the other, iam not trying to be funny , this is what happens when you stray from the word of god .

alex73

noel farrell wrote: »

its very confusing i have read the links one exorcist bishop andrea gemma totally against . exorcist in op for and both installed by hq .just wondering what would happen if one had a session with the other, iam not trying to be funny , this is what happens when you stray from the word of god .

In its day many questioned the message of Fatima. But looking back on it nearly 100 years later its very clear to any Catholic that the Message was from Mary, 3 Poor Portuguese kids could not have foreseen or invented what they were told. With Medjugorje what is needed is time. I find that sooner or later lies and deceit will out. (if it is a lie)

I have personally seen and witnessed the disillusionment of a Catholic organisation when its founder was proved to be a Fraud, liar, criminal. When we place faith in people instead of in Christ, His Church, His Grace, His real Presence in the Eucharist and in the Church we run the risk off not having true faith.

Plowman

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noel farrell

i am afraid you are are off the track, both of the highly thought of rev gentlemen, we are told have special powers to drive out satan , and are led by the holy spirit . so its not a slight misunderstanding . i agree that you do not have to take any of this on board to be saved thank god

PatricaMcKay2

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This is the most grave issue at hand; the link Im supplying is from a hardcore Orthodox site so though Im inclined to go along with its not exactly unbiased; but I have heard from Roman Catholics and one liberalish Lutheran who all believe in the visions that "St Mary" was supposed to have said to the seers that a Muslim lady visting the site was the most filled with grace there, now seriously how can a Muslim who never had Baptism or took Communion be more filled with Grace than Christian souls?

"I should add that, after leaving the rectory, our guide took our group for an audience with the "seers." During this audience, a pilgrim asked one of children the following question: "Does the Virgin say that the Catholic Church is the true church?" The response given by the child (Marija, pictured at right) provides clear evidence of the ecumenical content and religious relativism which, oddly enough, increasingly mark the "revelations" at Medjugorje: "Our Blessed Mother says that all religions are equally pleasing to God.""

http://orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/medjugorje.aspx

PatricaMcKay2

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Maybe Im missing something here, St Mary may well have a sancity above any other creature, but sancity isnt necessarily the same as authority...Surely according to Roman Catholic theology the local Bishop would have authority over his area full stop and even the Blessed Virigin couldnt council to resistance to him in matters not involving mortal sin?

alex73

PatricaMcKay2 wrote: »

Maybe Im missing something here, St Mary may well have a sancity above any other creature, but sancity isnt necessarily the same as authority...Surely according to Roman Catholic theology the local Bishop would have authority over his area full stop and even the Blessed Virigin couldnt council to resistance to him in matters not involving mortal sin?

Patrica, You are correct. But if you read the messages that come out of Medjugorje they are not saying to disobey the Local Bishop.

For example lets take the top 5 messages

1. Sunday Eucharist and daily Eucharist if possible. If it is not possible to attend the Eucharist each day then at least a few times during the week.
   
2. Pray the Creed and 7 Our Fathers, Hail Mary’s and Glory Be’s each day as well as 15 decades of the Rosary.
3. Place the Bible in a prominent position in your home. Read a few verses each morning and meditate on them during the day.
4. Fast on bread and water on Wednesdays and Fridays.
5. Monthly confession.

Its what Catholics should do anyway, its always been part of our Faith.


But what has happened in Medjugorje is the usual histerical stampeed that has always Happened in these cases, Same happened in Fatima. And the Local Bishops have said that this has to be avoided, because tomorrow it could turn out to be a Hoax.

The visionaries have never said to disobey the local bishop

In Mexico when our lady of Guadalupe appeared she sent a Clear sign to the Local bishop so that he would believe...

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PatricaMcKay2 wrote: »

"Our Blessed Mother says that all religions are equally pleasing to God.""[/COLOR]

http://orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/medjugorje.aspx

Just one more reason to flee from it?

lmaopml

PatricaMcKay2 wrote: »

Maybe Im missing something here, St Mary may well have a sancity above any other creature, but sancity isnt necessarily the same as authority...Surely according to Roman Catholic theology the local Bishop would have authority over his area full stop and even the Blessed Virigin couldnt council to resistance to him in matters not involving mortal sin?

..and the local Bishop has spoken on Medjugorje - and it is still under investigation, and will be for some time. Nothing more, nothing less. Bishops commentary outside that diocese are little more than commentary, personal feelings etc. unless it's an enquiry specifically sent - and Catholics are not required to visit, or believe, or even think about Medjugorje.

Our Lady doesn't need to be anywhere in particular to pray for us when we ask her to do so - Our Lady of Fatima and Lourdes and Knock etc. are the one and the same St. Mary.

kelly1

alex73 wrote: »

I think you should read what another vatican exorcist has to say about it.
http://www.tldm.org/News16/BishopAndExorcistAndreaGemmaOnMedjugorjeAbsolutelyDiabolical.htm

It's ironic that you provided a link to a site associated with the Bayside prophesies which is a schismatic group, very similar in nature to Christina Gallagher's efforts.