I'm on a train motherfcuker

boomkatalog

So I'm on a train, its totally booked out and I've just turfed some woman out of my pre-booked seat. A guy got on a few minutes ago with a seeing eye dog and between him and the dog, he has two seats taken up. These two seats are pre-booked, there's two women's names above the seat. Obviously when he can't see well, he more than likely doesn't know the seats are booked.

My question for yiz is this...

If he was sitting in your seat, and there are honestly no seats around that aren't booked out, would you ask him to move, or would you wander through the carraiges looking for somewhere else?

I haven't a notion what I'd do to be honest, normally don't ask people to move from my seat but every seat is booked!

Biggins

No. I'd leave him be and count my blessings I don't suffer from his condition.
Rather no seat than no sight.

Latchy

He might appriciate then you told him he's in the wrong seat so yeah ..tell him .
/just hope the dog doesn't go for ya :pac: (kidding )

Dotrel

I'd tell him to move. The dog can stay.

steddyeddy

boomkatalog wrote: »

So I'm on a train, its totally booked out and I've just turfed some woman out of my pre-booked seat. A guy got on a few minutes ago with a seeing eye dog and between him and the dog, he has two seats taken up. These two seats are pre-booked, there's two women's names above the seat. Obviously when he can't see well, he more than likely doesn't know the seats are booked.

My question for yiz is this...

If he was sitting in your seat, and there are honestly no seats around that aren't booked out, would you ask him to move, or would you wander through the carraiges looking for somewhere else?

I haven't a notion what I'd do to be honest, normally don't ask people to move from my seat but every seat is booked!

Very few people die from lack of seating so I would probraly not say anything and stood.

Mint Sauce

If I got the seat first, I'd probably give it up for him/her anyway.

GAAman

Nope, as biggins said i would leave him in my seat

Biggins

irish-stew wrote: »

If I got the seat first, I'd probably give it up for him/her anyway.

Dito.

Sure leave him be, then find a dog and sunglasses and sit wherever you want.

Storminateacup

I wouldn't say it to anyone regardless of condition if they were sitting in my pre booked seat.

hondasam

I would ask him to move, I'm sure he does not want pity or sympathy.
Those seeing dogs should be able to read.

Leeg17

Same Stew, if it was pre-booked and I was there first I'd give it up for the infirm/elderly/pregnant.

On the other hand I'd enjoy kicking someone up from my pre-booked seat it if the train was absolutely full.

boomkatalog

Normally I'd figure that someone with a seeing eye dog would be better off sitting at the seat that's labelled for special needs, with the space beside it and all, but there's already someone with a disability there. That particular seat is way more spacious, nearer the bathroom and exit etc.

MungBean

I'd leave him alone but the dog would have to move.

Wouldn't say anything but if I was there first I'd slap my thigh and tell him to 'take a knee!'.

whydoibother?

My rule of thumb is if I would ordinarily give up my seat for them, I won't ask them to move from a pre-booked seat of mine. It happened me once with a very elderly lady. I just stood for the journey as there were no other seats and said nothing.

However! If they look young, fit and healthy and are just arrogantly sitting in my pre-booked seat or even worse, using it for their bag, while others are standing, I will take great pleasure in demanding that they move.

I won't ask anyone to move if there are other seats available. I just pre-book to get a seat, I don't particularly care which one.

boomkatalog

Storminateacup wrote: »

I wouldn't say it to anyone regardless of condition if they were sitting in my pre booked seat.

But if you went to the bother of booking the seat online, as anyone can, would you not be annoyed then with someone blatantly ignoring your name above their seat, and the countless warnings called out over the speaker not to occupy prebooked seats?

Obviously that doesn't apply in this case when he can't tell that the seat is booked.

hondasam

irish-stew wrote: »

If I got the seat first, I'd probably give it up for him/her anyway.

If the person was not blind would you give up your seat?

smash

Pretend you're blind too and sit on him...

admiralofthefleet

i would give him the seat straight away. during my missus's pregnancy she was rarely offered a seat on public transport even if she had her cane with her (she is visually impaired)
it made my blood boil

Full.Duck

irish-stew wrote: »

If I got the seat first, I'd probably give it up for him/her anyway.

Why give up a seat for a blind person? Do his legs not work anymore or something? There are seats designated for disabled people.

hondasam

hondasam wrote: »

If the person was not blind would you give up your seat?

Only if she was really hot.

psychward

I know this is Iarnrod Eireann but would a blind guy not have his own pre booked seat on a packed train ?

stupidusername

The real question here is, if there's announcements blaring all the time, how does he not think to check with someone if the seats he's taking up are booked? or is he purposely ignoring it in the hope that people won't ask him to move?

Storminateacup

boomkatalog wrote: »

But if you went to the bother of booking the seat online, as anyone can, would you not be annoyed then with someone blatantly ignoring your name above their seat, and the countless warnings called out over the speaker not to occupy prebooked seats?

Obviously that doesn't apply in this case when he can't tell that the seat is booked.

I'd be pissed off but not enough to ask them to move

boomkatalog

Full.Duck wrote: »

Why give up a seat for a blind person? Do his legs not work anymore or something? There are seats designated for disabled people.

There's a little girl with Down Syndrome sitting in that seat on this carriage, and her family with her. Haven't a clue if those seats are occupied in the other carriages.

Biggins

Full.Duck wrote: »

Why give up a seat for a blind person? Do his legs not work anymore or something? There are seats designated for disabled people.

Where exactly are they on a train?

mikemac

I thought CIE had ushers in colourful T-shirts to ensure these situations did not happen

boomkatalog

Its Iarnroid Eireann, there's a girl with a food trolley and that's about it

And she so just saw me type that.

Where To

What does maternal intercourse have to do with this thread?

Full.Duck

Biggins wrote: »

Where exactly are they on a train?

In the seats that have the sticker on the window that says please give this seat up to old and disabled people.

But still dont get the wrong being blind is a horrible horrible thing, but if his legs still work why cant he stand?

Amirani

Storminateacup wrote: »

I wouldn't say it to anyone regardless of condition if they were sitting in my pre booked seat.

What if you'd paid for it?

Chuck Stone

Best thread title ever.

whydoibother?

Biggins wrote: »

Where exactly are they on a train?

On the new trains, they tend to be at the end of the carriage, near the toilets. I think there are single seats and smaller tables, making more space for wheelchairs etc.

hondasam

boomkatalog wrote: »

Its Iarnroid Eireann, there's a girl with a food trolley and that's about it

And she so just saw me type that.

Did she tell him he is in someone else seat?
Does he now know we are discussing him ? is he laughing his ass off?

whydoibother?

Full.Duck wrote: »

In the seats that have the sticker on the window that says please give this seat up to old and disabled people.

But still dont get the wrong being blind is a horrible horrible thing, but if his legs still work why cant he stand?

Well, I imagine walking/standing is a lot more intimidating if you're blind and can't see obstacles. You need to get your balance as the train slows down/speeds up/stops and can't see where you're stepping/what you've got to hold on to.

boomkatalog

No he's reading a newspaper with a gigantic magnifying glass pushed right up to his eye.

Presumably he's only partially blind so.


I'm gonna be honest, the whole reason I started this thread is because I'm eating a chicken fillet burger from supermacs and the dog is begging and its driving me nuts!

mikemac

Tell the man to shift it, the dog can stay

hondasam

boomkatalog wrote: »

No he's reading a newspaper with a gigantic magnifying glass pushed right up to his eye.

Presumably he's only partially blind so.


I'm gonna be honest, the whole reason I started this thread is because I'm eating a chicken fillet burger from supermacs and the dog is begging and its driving me nuts!

Boom, give the dog some food, he is not blind at all, I knew it. he knows well who's seat he is in.

Mint Sauce

Full.Duck wrote: »

Why give up a seat for a blind person? Do his legs not work anymore or something? There are seats designated for disabled people.

Because they're more in need of it than I am. I have all my senses, they dont,

boomkatalog

mikemac wrote: »

Tell the man to shift the dog

:eek: scandalous!

Biggins

Full.Duck wrote: »

...if his legs still work why cant he stand?

Well in honesty, if a blind person is standing and a train is that full, he/she cannot see whats coming/going around them, cannot see any suspicious characters that might be approaching them that might be wishing to pickpocket them in the fumble of a squashed train, etc - but the main concern would generally be safety.

Just from a safety perspective, I'd prefer if a blind person sat on a moving vehicle. Given their condition, they are further safe from possible injury due to their greater limitation and the other sighted passengers are safer from he/she falling upon them, if for example someone bumped into them and he/she didn't see them coming.

As Irish-stew honourably said, I too would have given up my pre-booked seat anyway. It would have been no loss to me.
End of the day its no big hardship and a decent thing to do.
One can step off a train knowing that a bit of decency is still alive and a further appreciation for the better health the rest of us have.

boomkatalog

hondasam wrote: »

Boom, give the dog some food, he is not blind at all, I knew it. he knows well who's seat he is in.

He looks well fed and I'm feckin starving! :P

hondasam

boomkatalog wrote: »

He looks well fed and I'm feckin starving! :P

You are a little devil, what colour is the dog? He would not take food anyway, trained not too.

Mint Sauce

Biggins wrote: »

Well in honesty, if a blind person is standing and a train is that full, he/she cannot see whats coming/going around them, cannot see any suspicious characters that might be approaching them that might be wishing to pickpocket them in the fumble of a squashed train, etc - but the main concern would generally be safety.

Just from a safety perspective, I'd prefer if a blind person sat on a moving vehicle. Given their condition, they are further safe from possible injury due to their greater limitation and the other sighted passengers are safer from he/she falling upon them, if for example someone bumped into them and he/she didn't see them coming.

As Irish-stew honourably said, I too would have given up my pre-booked seat anyway. It would have been no loss to me.
End of the day its no big hardship and a decent thing to do.
One can step off a train knowing that a bit of decency is still alive and a further appreciation for the better health the rest of us have.

Could not have said it better my self Biggins.

mikemac

But isn't it only the first three carraiges that have pre-booking and all the rest of the train is a free for all

It's not Friday evening or Sunday night, office hours are long past so I doubt the train is packed

I suppose the blind man got on the first carriage as it was easiest but there are lots of free seats further down.

This correct OP?

Full.Duck

whydoibother? wrote: »

Well, I imagine walking/standing is a lot more intimidating if you're blind and can't see obstacles. You need to get your balance as the train slows down/speeds up/stops and can't see where you're stepping/what you've got to hold on to.

When going to college i took the train everyday for 4 years. This blind guy always got on with his dog, he would always stand. I have never once seen him sit in a seat. People gave up their seat for him but he would tell them "no im fine, ill stand". You could see in his face that he would get pissed off every time someone gave up their seat for him.

If he is perfectly able to get around and live his life then let him do so. Why should he get special treatment?

boomkatalog

mikemac wrote: »

But isn't it only the first three carraiges that have pre-booking and all the rest of the train is a free for all

It's not Friday evening or Sunday night, office hours are long past so I doubt the train is packed

I suppose the blind man got on the first carriage as it was easiest but there are lots of free seats further down.

This correct OP?

This is carriage, which was the first one as you come out the gate. Don't know how many are pre-booked or not though but this one is jammers.

Also, I'm starting to think the man is just a little bit rude... He doesn't seem to give a **** that his dog is lying in the middle of the aisle now and its not that he doesn't know, because some woman already stood on his paw and he yelped so loudly the whole carraige jumped.

Edit: its a black dog honda, and well and all as they're trained, he certainly knows how to beg!

mikemac

Well there you go, people are like water and flow to the easiest option and that was the closest carriage. And now has taken your pre-booked seat

If your pre-booked carriage was at the end of the platform, one man and his dog would not be there

Poor choice there in Supermacs also, next time get the smokey bacon burger, finger licking good

Biggins

Full.Duck wrote: »

When going to college i took the train everyday for 4 years. This blind guy always got on with his dog, he would always stand. I have never once seen him sit in a seat. People gave up their seat for him but he would tell them "no im fine, ill stand". You could see in his face that he would get pissed off every time someone gave up their seat for him.

If he is perfectly able to get around and live his life then let him do so. Why should he get special treatment?

In fairness, that would be his choice.
At least people had the decency to offer. Kindness offered - even if its then unwanted - should not just be reciprocated by rudeness.
Whereas you say your blind person might not have wanted the seat offered, others however might and be very grateful for it.

...And a small bonus for those offering it, is that they get to feel a small bit good about themselves for being so good natured.
Good for them!

Mint Sauce

mikemac wrote: »

Well there you go, people are like water and flow to the easiest option and that was the closest carriage. And now has taken your pre-booked seat

If your pre-booked carriage was at the end of the platform, one man and his dog would not be there

Pre Booked seats are still a new thing to Ireland. Most other countries, if he had all his sences he nearly would not have to be told to move. He would probably not even sit there in the first place.