US TV Forum??

Doodah7

Just a question to the mods: can there not be a US Television forum where all of stuff that has to be illegally torrented or streamed can be discussed and normal broadcast TV can then be discussed?? This would of course include US programmes shown on RTE, BBC, Sky etc.

It seems to me ridiculous that the current Television forum is taken up with threads dealing with US programming that is not available to view ON A TELEVISION? Currently about 75% of this forum deals with this type of programming.

Skerries

Basq

The Television "fora" (yes, it's a word) should be undergoing a serious overhaul in the new year.

While your particular point hasn't came up specifically, we might try and think of a solution around it but it's not easy without making the place messy (overlap of spoilers, incorrectly posting in a thread etc.. and probably would require even more moderation work than is done currently).

In future, probably best to bring this up in either 'Forum Requests' or 'Feedback'.

mike65

tallpaul wrote: »

Just a question to the mods: can there not be a US Television forum where all of stuff that has to be illegally torrented or streamed can be discussed and normal broadcast TV can then be discussed?? This would of course include US programmes shown on RTE, BBC, Sky etc.

It seems to me ridiculous that the current Television forum is taken up with threads dealing with US programming that is not available to view ON A TELEVISION? Currently about 75% of this forum deals with this type of programming.

Indeed, the domination of US series being er procured on the front page at any given time means anything else (bar the LLS!) gets little elbow room.

phasers

The forum is dictated by its users, we just happen to discuss US television more. I think there used to be separate US and Irish pace threads for a lot of shows (I think a lot of the subforums still do this) so you could always start an Irish pace thread when the show airs here.


Although Richard Dower makes threads about absolutely everything, even shows he hates. Which is weird.

iMax

tallpaul wrote: »

Just a question to the mods: can there not be a US Television forum where all of stuff that has to be illegally torrented or streamed can be discussed and normal broadcast TV can then be discussed?? This would of course include US programmes shown on RTE, BBC, Sky etc.

It seems to me ridiculous that the current Television forum is taken up with threads dealing with US programming that is not available to view ON A TELEVISION? Currently about 75% of this forum deals with this type of programming.

There's very little worth watching on broadcast TV (can't remember the last time I watched something on it). & I watch almost all my USTV on a television.

It's not like we're going to crowd round the mac of an evening now is it ?

don ramo

i dont see issues with the current set-up, threads are specifically labeled for **US** pace, maybe some newer members dont understand it, but i think most will click on fairly quick when they find out one if the favourite caracter dies 3 weeks ago, but they just saw them a hour ago on a new episode;):D,

mike65

Robdude wrote: »

And none of those series required a TV tax to be created

No just countless ad breaks or an expensive subscription.

Robdude

mike65 wrote: »

No just countless ad breaks or an expensive subscription.

So, exactly like here? Only without a tax?

EDIT: I'm sorry - this is offtopic and I shouldn't have made my posts here. Still, it does make me seriously question the need and validity of a required TV tax and whom it really benefits. But because this is off-topic for the thread this will be my last post. It's not that I don't want to continue our lively discussion, I just don't think it should take place here. My apologies.

mike65

Ireland? Well its such a small market how would one expect them to afford to make a drama series of any description without a TV licence income. In the developed world the non licence system is very much a minority. And many of those that have ended the licence system/never had one simply fund public TV and radio from the exchequer so you don't have any choice but to pay regardless of owning a tv or radio.

adox

tallpaul wrote: »

It seems to me ridiculous that the current Television forum is taken up with threads dealing with US programming that is not available to view ON A TELEVISION? Currently about 75% of this forum deals with this type of programming.

What? I`m sure the majority watch their US shows on a television, no matter how they aquire it. I know I do.

Minstrel27

I watch on a television too. Should we also create another forum for those who watch TV shows via a DVD box set?

Richard Dower

phasers wrote: »

The forum is dictated by its users, we just happen to discuss US television more. I think there used to be separate US and Irish pace threads for a lot of shows (I think a lot of the subforums still do this) so you could always start an Irish pace thread when the show airs here.


Although Richard Dower makes threads about absolutely everything, even shows he hates. Which is weird.

And i've increased awareness of alot of different shows, which can't be a bad thing can it?...how many knew about, say, Lost Girl?
I cover alot of shows, not just US but Canadian, Australia and NZ...i try make people aware of obscure of lesser known shows show as cable shows.

Richard Dower

Minstrel27 wrote: »

I watch on a television too. Should we also create another forum for those who watch TV shows via a DVD box set?

The subforums have proven to be an utter disaster!...if you look at the Glee/Chuck or other forums they are rarely viewed, subforums imo don't work and should be axed.

If you moved all USTV shows to a subforum imo, hits and view counts would dive....lets be real, Boards.ie is an add driven and hits based BUSINESS!
USTV drives page views, not to blow my own horn....but i've blown up the TV forum in the last few years, i should be gettig paid :cool:

Basq

Richard Dower wrote: »

USTV drives page views, not to blow my own horn....but i've blown up the TV forum in the last few years, i should be gettig paid :cool:

Too easy! :pac:

Skid

Basq wrote: »

The Television "fora" (yes, it's a word) should be undergoing a serious overhaul in the new year.

Basq,

Will there be a consultation with TV Forum users before this overhaul takes place?

Any clues as to what you have planned?

Basq

Skid wrote: »

Basq,

Will there be a consultation with TV Forum users before this overhaul takes place?

Any clues as to what you have planned?

Ideas are being thrown around back and forth.. I'd rather not give any clues until a decision has been made.

As for consulting with TV Forum users - that's undecided. Nothing against consulting ye, but while everyone will have their own opinion - we don't want to get befuddled with alternative solutions or grievances, as it'll never get done otherwise!

Believe me when I say that it'll inevitably divide people.. but it's definitely a move in the right direction.

Richard Dower

^ well i think one positive move would be making me a mod, i've earned my wings.

Skid

As for consulting with TV Forum users - that's undecided

Well it sounds like you have made your minds about the changes already ...

Believe me when I say that it'll inevitably divide people

It doesn't seem to be in the spirit of Boards to drive a 'serious overhaul' through without having some discussion beforehand.

I'm disappointed, to be honest. The changes might be for the best, they might not. And yes, you will never please everybody. But you could ask their opinions first - you might even get some constructive ideas.

JONJO THE MISER

Richard Dower wrote: »

^ well i think one positive move would be making me a mod, i've earned my wings.

I 2nd this motion.

Richard Dower

mike65 wrote: »

Indeed, the domination of US series being er procured on the front page at any given time means anything else (bar the LLS!) gets little elbow room.

But that is just because there isin't as much content from UK/IRL during the year, it's obvious the domination of USTV threads is because the current seasons are fully active + new season shows drive comment.

If UK or IRL had more original programming i'm sure it would be covered, but lets be honest....people like discussing USTV more then UK stuff, depending on the show of course.

We're not alone, DigitalSpy has a very active USTV forum, though i conceed they have the forums split into TV and USTV.

Basq

Skid wrote: »

Well it sounds like you have made your minds about the changes already ...

My initial comment of a "serious overhaul" was a bit of a stretch.

While we've a plan in mind.. it's more of a re-organisation of the forums than a drastic overhaul.

We have been discussing a couple of ideas outside of the re-organisation but nothing (AFAIK) has been decided on.

Skid wrote: »

It doesn't seem to be in the spirit of Boards to drive a 'serious overhaul' through without having some discussion beforehand.

I'm disappointed, to be honest. The changes might be for the best, they might not. And yes, you will never please everybody. But you could ask their opinions first - you might even get some constructive ideas.

The problem is that the discussion among us Arts mods has already created a lot of varying opinions / suggestions..

.. inviting all members of this forum (which is in the Top 10 busiest forums on Boards) may help or may hinder our progress here.

Closer to the day, odds are we're gonna give an indication / rundown of the changes - and we'll welcome feedback then.

But until then, all we ask is that you have a little faith in us.. we're users of the forum here too and we can see exactly where it's strengths and weaknesses - both organisational and functional - are.

Skid

Basq wrote: »

My initial comment of a "serious overhaul" was a bit of a stretch.

While we've a plan in mind.. it's more of a re-organisation of the forums than a drastic overhaul.

We have been discussing a couple of ideas outside of the re-organisation but nothing (AFAIK) has been decided on.


The problem is that the discussion among us Arts mods has already created a lot of varying opinions / suggestions..

.. inviting all members of this forum (which is in the Top 10 busiest forums on Boards) may help or may hinder our progress here.

Closer to the day, odds are we're gonna give an indication / rundown of the changes - and we'll welcome feedback then.

But until then, all we ask is that you have a little faith in us.. we're users of the forum here too and we can see exactly where it's strengths and weaknesses - both organisational and functional - are.

Fair enough,

Thanks for the additional info, Basq.

Closer to the day, odds are we're gonna give an indication / rundown of the changes - and we'll welcome feedback then.

Please do, and good luck with the review.

PS

With great reluctance I cannot endorse the recenly launched 'Richard Dower for Mod' Campaign. Sorry Richard, nothing personal

mikom

Richard Dower wrote: »

We're not alone, DigitalSpy has a very active USTV forum, though i conceed they have the forums split into TV and USTV.

This please.

don ramo

Richard Dower wrote: »

^ well i think one positive move would be making me a mod, i've earned my wings.

i think that mod stick will reach you no matter how high you try to fly

don ramo

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We're not alone, DigitalSpy has a very active USTV forum, though i conceed they have the forums split into TV and USTV.
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and then youll have a very active USTV forum and a dead tv forum,

when you enter the tv forum there should be links to the most popular, user demanded and approved sub-forums (of only active shows), then when you scroll down a bit the general discussion forum will be on the same page,

like when you go into the finnished shows forum, you have 7 subforums above the general discussion forum, so 11 or so sub forums links above the general tv disscussion forum,

once a show ends have a general discussing forum for finnished shows, get rid of the sub-fourms of the likes of lost and 24 ETC, and just have the one forum with threads about the shows instead of entire forums, i count 11 finnished shows (BSG isnt finnished Blood and Chrome is on the way) with forums, with the same mods constantly having to navigate there way there to address an issue, so instead of 8 locations therell be just the one, simples:D

Richard Dower

^ the main forum should be left alone!....it's getting all the traffic, do something about the subforums for sure....they are dead and a mess!

Ludo

Richard Dower wrote: »

not to blow my own horn....but i've blown up the TV forum in the last few years, i should be gettig paid :cool:

Maybe you have, or maybe you haven't.
I used to be a very regular reader of this forum, but have stopped since your good self and JPLizV1 started ye're little competition to see who can post the most silly threads with nothing but a press release in the post and NO COMMENTS or discussion. IT is as if ye want to see ye're names as thread starters all over the place. This kind of post is specifically against the forum charter but the rule is completely ignored for some reason.

Regurgitating news from other websites is encouraged in certain circumstances, but you must then CONTRIBUTE to the thread (and that doesn't mean putting a or an "I agree" comment at the end of the post). This is primarily a discussion forum, not a news forum.

S.M.B.

^ This times a gogol

don ramo

Richard Dower wrote: »

^ the main forum should be left alone!....it's getting all the traffic, do something about the subforums for sure....they are dead and a mess!

thats why i said put them at the top of the televsion forum, so people know there there, all they have to do if scroll down a little and the general forum is there,

plus id say people who post regulary have the forum bookmarked, for boards.ie > arts > television > televsion, so they never see the sub forums for fringe, chuck and the likes, so if you put them at the top like in the finnished tv forum people will know that others are posting in there and the sub fourms should be brought to life,

as i said keep it clean and only have the active shows there, and as soon as they finnish remove them,

Richard Dower

Ludo wrote: »

Maybe you have, or maybe you haven't.
I used to be a very regular reader of this forum, but have stopped since your good self and JPLizV1 started ye're little competition to see who can post the most silly threads with nothing but a press release in the post and NO COMMENTS or discussion. IT is as if ye want to see ye're names as thread starters all over the place. This kind of post is specifically against the forum charter but the rule is completely ignored for some reason.

^ i can't speak for Liz but i will say she posts ALOT less then me and is generally less offensive. For myself...i can assure you there is no competition nor some battle going on, i don't just post news updates i do actually contribute to most of the threads i post in, i actually watch alot of these shows on a regular basis.

Though not all, i don't deny posting news such as casting info ratings etc., i think in the context and spirit of the forum the mods generally "get" what i do.

Like any site you need a constant stream of content to generate traffic, that's just good business. It be rather boring if page 1 was stuck with no movement for days on end.

iMax

I've no problem with the "Bulliten" style posting Richard or Liz do. It's brought my attention to more than one show I would have missed out on. I think this is one of the few forums (fora) which this type of posting is acceptable.

batistuta9

I don't think it's that bad an idea, then there could be different threads for the shows one for when it airs in the US the other for the UK airings.

not everyone starts downloading a show as soon as it's shown in the states

don ramo

^^^ id say at least 70% here get them within 24hr, if not watch them live

these forum are designed and dictated by what people want, every forum here has been asked for by the users, and approved by the MODs, i think its maybe more forums where shows has ended are one cluttering it up,

its the sub forums each shows have is where the problem is i think, shows with sub forums are the most popular shows here, but are kinda outta the way, maybe interest has wained on some of the shows, or people just dont know there their, maybe have a vote in each currently airing subforum, and if you can get say 50-70 votes to keep it active then leave it there, and if not shut it down,

that and a little moving around may make this a must come place for tv lovers,

120_Minutes

Richard Dower wrote: »

^ well i think one positive move would be making me a mod, i've earned my wings.

The unwritten rule on boards is: if you have to ask to be mod, you won't become one.

An no offence, but if I usually see a thread about a show started by you, it makes me not want to watch it.

Mr E

OK this thread is turning into a bit of a JPL/RD bashing one (unfairly too, IMO), so lets draw a line under it there.

As Basq said earlier, changes are afoot which I'm very excited about.

We'll open up a discussion again closer to implementation.