Bouncers wearing cameras

SyntonFenix

I noticed some bouncers in Temple Bar wearing small cameras attached to their earpieces. Had a look on YouTube and other sites, seems like it's going to be the done thing in other coutries.

Is there laws or regulations on wearing such cameras here? Would there be privacy issues?

mari2222

not against the law to record with cameras - may be issues over "broadcasting" content without subject's permission - very tricky issue.

source

mari2222 wrote: »

not against the law to record with cameras - may be issues over "broadcasting" content without subject's permission - very tricky issue.

It wouldn't be broadcast, these cameras are part of a clubs CCTV system and are covered by the same data protection laws. The bouncers aren't buying this kit themselves it's usually issued at the start of the night by the club.

It's a fantastic idea as it gives security staff more protection, gives a better CCTV coverage at the door, and gives great footage to AGS for prosecutions.

There's also the fact that in a public place there is no presumption of privacy. Anything you do in public can be photographed or videoed by anyone and used as they see fit Without permission (apart from for commercial gain).

kowloon

Hope they remember to turn it off when they go to the bog.

BrianD

I noticed this too. The problem is that when I saw them the staff were on the street. I'm not sure where the boundary of the premises starts. So you potentially have staff off the premises pointing a camera at the public and the recording equipment on the premises.

So are we going to see some of this footage end up on some TV show?

WOnder are the staff obliged to wear CCTV warning signs?!? There should be as this equipment is reasonably discreet!

2qk4u

I dont know why people are concerned about privacy, cameras are everywhere, shops,banks,filling stations,buses,taxis,traffic cams ect.

SyntonFenix

2qk4u wrote: »

I dont know why people are concerned about privacy, cameras are everywhere, shops,banks,filling stations,buses,taxis,traffic cams ect.

I understand that and completely agree with you there.

What I should have made clearer was what Acts of law or security regualtions in Ireland covers the use of these cameras? Can a bouncer/security staff walk into the toilets in a pub (male or female) with these cameras, for example?

Manach

2qk4u wrote: »

I dont know why people are concerned about privacy, cameras are everywhere, shops,banks,filling stations,buses,taxis,traffic cams ect.

I'm unsure how that defence would play-out if a citizen was videoing a Guard.

Staplor

The guard would come up and moan about it, ask you to delete it, you refuse, they arrest you for something stupid, back at the station you are released, camera returned video gone.

Del2005

BrianD wrote: »

I noticed this too. The problem is that when I saw them the staff were on the street. I'm not sure where the boundary of the premises starts. So you potentially have staff off the premises pointing a camera at the public and the recording equipment on the premises.

They are in Temple bar. I'd say there isn't many places there that cameras aren't already pointing.

BrianD wrote: »

So are we going to see some of this footage end up on some TV show?

WOnder are the staff obliged to wear CCTV warning signs?!? There should be as this equipment is reasonably discreet!

If it's a public place they don't need signs, as per Source, and they'll have signs on the premises saying CCTV in use.

Paulw

Manach wrote: »

I'm unsure how that defence would play-out if a citizen was videoing a Guard.

In general, the majority of Gardai are aware of the law, and know that they can be recorded in public and no crime is being committed.

Nothing would happen.

CIARAN_BOYLE

SyntonFenix wrote: »

What I should have made clearer was what Acts of law or security regualtions in Ireland covers the use of these cameras? Can a bouncer/security staff walk into the toilets in a pub (male or female) with these cameras, for example?

You know thats a good question. I don't have a clue but would be interested in the answer if anyone knows

Homer

The main reason that they wear the cameras is to prevent punters claiming that they have been assaulted or physically abused or vice versa and putting in fraudulent claims against pubs or nightclubs. People with a lot of drink on board have funny recollections of what actually happened on a night out in a lot of cases

phog

BrianD wrote: »

I noticed this too. The problem is that when I saw them the staff were on the street. I'm not sure where the boundary of the premises starts. So you potentially have staff off the premises pointing a camera at the public and the recording equipment on the premises.

So are we going to see some of this footage end up on some TV show?

WOnder are the staff obliged to wear CCTV warning signs?!? There should be as this equipment is reasonably discreet!

Have you ever noticed CCTV Security cameras on the external walls of the premises, surely these too could be recording members of the public.

DublinWriter

Staplor wrote: »

The guard would come up and moan about it, ask you to delete it, you refuse, they arrest you for something stupid, back at the station you are released, camera returned video gone.

Or in some cases, camera returned with added bonus commentary track.

Seriously...there haven't been any test cases as yet. You can even on dodgy ground taping the street from your own residence, as some people who wanted proof regarding youths and anti-social behaviour recently found out.

meathstevie

As a lot of people have said allready, clubs and pubs are public places while they're open for business, either by virtue of the fact that they have a pub licence or the fact that a member of the public can gain admission by paying at the door. Even the none private areas like corridors and the washstands of the toilets would fall under this remit, cubicles and urinals of course wouldn't.

A bouncer, with or without a camera attached, would not follow you into the cubicle anyway unless he or she believes you're in danger or you've done something terribly wrong like glassed someone for example so that's not really.

ANSI

Staplor wrote: »

The guard would come up and moan about it, ask you to delete it, you refuse, they arrest you for something stupid, back at the station you are released, camera returned video gone.

why would they arrest you when they have no right to privacy

ANSI

DublinWriter wrote: »

Or in some cases, camera returned with added bonus commentary track.

Seriously...there haven't been any test cases as yet. You can even on dodgy ground taping the street from your own residence, as some people who wanted proof regarding youths and anti-social behaviour recently found out.

have you a link? are the youths not in public? is is the age?

mcgarrett

In The intoxicating liquor act 2003 the District Court can make it compulsory for premises operating under a special exemption to have cameras in operation.

SyntonFenix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5UITJdeO30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOGkRtBVd8s

http://vimeo.com/28451090

Looks like these cameras will be mainstream in a few years.