26E...... Screwed up!!!!!!!!

t c

Well, spent afternoon on ladder setting up 26E. (or so I thought).

Got Triax 1.1 fitted a few days ago, got the Triax LNB multi holder and fitted LNB,s (http://www.tele-satellite.us/TELE-satellite-0611/eng/gtsat.pdf), after fiddling for awhile got reception of just under 80% quality on a Technomate TM-5200D USB. Lots of channels such as Dubai Sport, RAI Sport 1 and 2, Dubai TV, Al Jazeerah Sport, etc, etc. plus loads of Arab stations.
The whole purpose of this exercise was to get the MBC channels, but no sign. The only MBC was MBC Maghreb Al Arab?????? and the only movies was Movie 1 which was in English ok.

Now, can anyone explain why I could not get the MBC channels? Is the receiver in the Techonmate not good enough? or, (more likely) what am I doing wrong?

I presume the satellite is the correct one as it is listed in the satellite list on the TM and I reckon I could not download the wrong stations to a listed satellite....

I also fitted a Diseqc switch connecting up a small dish with 28E and the Triax with Badr (Diseqc A 28.2 and B 26) and ran cable to my Humax HDR. Followed instructions on http://foxsat-hdr.wikispaces.com/DiSEqC, but cannot get any signal strength to show on tuning screen.

Any help Appreciated

TC

From what I can see online, MBC have their own spotbeam on Badr 4 which covers the Middle East and north Africa only. So you probably won't get it here.

Apogee

You're on the wrong satellite - your dish is aligned to Hotbird.
http://www.lyngsat.com/hotbird.html

Therefore, the dish elevation is too high, and the dish is also too far west.

t c

Karsini. A long thread about this subject awhile back and apparently they can be got in Dublin according to various postings. Also on your footprint map it shows reception on a 90cm dish ok and 120 if rainy.....

My first thought Apogee. But as I said, Badr 3,4 is listed in the satellite list at 26E on the Technomate so I presumed that if it said Badr with a signal of 80ish quality, that it was Badr!!!!!!!

Is it possible to have one bird listed and another channels downloaded?

Cheers

TC

dxhound2005

I get 200 channels on Badr 4. MBC's on 11919 61% on AzBox same dish as you.

Best advice might be to move the dish to 28 East if you can and then very very slightly for 26. For the future the Inverto Black Ultra LNB which I have appears to be the best one for weak satellites.

swoofer

you need to say method you are using, are you using a sat meter to find a signal or a picture on the tv? And do you have 26e as the prime sat ie lnb right in the middle of the lnb arm?

the best method is set dish elevation = 26.

holder should be at an angle but that is why I would get 28east first then with best signal on that holder will be almost correct for 26 east. also make sure lnb's are right way round on the holder as you look from the front, sats are a mirror effect, you have some pics.

set receiver to the strongest transponder on 26 east. all you need then is move lnb, you may need to move dish slightly as well. The aim is to get best possible signal on 26 and then signal on 28 east may be less than usual but that is to be expected.

have you anything blocking you.


this is the strongest on
Badr-4 ::::::::::::....:26 east 12091V 27500 United Media

and this channel is defenitely 26east

mbc 11919h27500, and it has mbc logo all the time

post a few pics later

Joe7

GBCULLEN wrote: »

the best method is set dish elevation = 26.

Why 26?

martin12

Try this frequency 11766.00 H 27.500 5/6 DVB-S2 QPSK let me know how you get on

dxhound2005

martin12 wrote: »

Try this frequency 11766.00 H 27.500 5/6 DVB-S2 QPSK let me know how you get on

That's a Badr 6 frequency, nobody can get that in Ireland. Strongest tp on Badr 4 at present on my set up is 12602 V 2960 only one channel iFilm Iran.

t c

Bloody Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tried again and cannot even get a dickybird of a signal from Badr. Tried setting dish according to Dishpointer, 22.4 elevation and 146 azimuth and aligned it to a reference point on a green in front of house.

Set receiver to Badr 26e and thought I might get something to improve on, zilch.

Recruited wife, (who thinks I am mad, probably right!!!) and she kept a watch on tv screen as I SLOWLY adjusted dish both ways and up and down. Still nothing.

Maybe 26 is not for me.

One other question, I have a small dish mounted on gable end of house about 2m in front of Triax, could this affect signal to Triax? See pics.

If yes, I will try once more and remove small dish and hope for the best.

Cheers,

TC

Edit.
Edit.
Don't mind the Diseqc it was bypassed when trying, LNB straight to receiver. Also, as you can see only one LNB at prime position.

Peter Rhea

Given my own understanding of offset dishes, I would say (judging by the side-on view) the small dish isn't causing any problem (don't know about the aerial though).

I wouldn't even attempt to align a big dish on a weak satellite without some kind of visible reference.

Can you get a tv to that window? Or something I've seen mentioned elsewhere, an in-car dvd player with video input that can be hooked up to the receiver via a long 'phono' type cable & used outside.

swoofer

very good pics, ideally I would have nothing that may possibly get in the way. The bit I ould worry about is the lnb setting at the moment, its on the holder but you are uisng the 26east elevation, i would use the triax lnb holder that came with dish, put lnb in that, also i would check the set up of dish bracket, if i remeber correctly it can go 2 ways, do a pic of elevation on dish and is everything dead level. AND drop down dish in front along with aerial but mark pole location first!

mbc is strong so use the above frequency on the techno and wait for a picture but slow as signal takes a few secs.

gbc

t c

Thanks for quick input people.

The holder I have on is a Triax multi LNB with the other 3 fittings taken off.
The actual holder that the LNB is in is a single holder from another multi bracket adapted to fit on the Triax bar.

Is a bit rainy here at mo, but if it clears up I will try again, enter 12091v frequency. Just to clear up a point, looking from FRONT of dish, from left to right the LNB's are, 28, 26, 19 and 13?

Also will take more pics.

Cheers.

TC

EDIT,

Yes Peter, I was using a tv in bedroom that I can see through the window with dish connected to it and checking signal strength and quality on that.

Peter Rhea

Don't know if it's just the photo, but comparing the pole the TD110 is on with the window, the pole doesn't look anything like vertical (assuming the window is vertical, of course ).

t c

The pole is vertical, Peter.

It looks as if its not as pic was taken from a lower position with a wide angle lens which gives a wrong perspective.

TC

dxhound2005

t c wrote: »

Thanks for quick input people.

The holder I have on is a Triax multi LNB with the other 3 fittings taken off.
The actual holder that the LNB is in is a single holder from another multi bracket adapted to fit on the Triax bar.

Is a bit rainy here at mo, but if it clears up I will try again, enter 12091v frequency. Just to clear up a point, looking from FRONT of dish, from left to right the LNB's are, 28, 26, 19 and 13?

Also will take more pics.

Cheers.

TC

EDIT,

Yes Peter, I was using a tv in bedroom that I can see through the window with dish connected to it and checking signal strength and quality on that.

12092 is not very strong on my set up 45% as against 66% on 12602.

swoofer

@Joe7 there is another thread on here by iba, who has exactly the set up tc wants and they live close to each other, iba said his dish elevation is at 26, it may say 26 by dish markings but what the actual is another matter but if i was doing same system i would just copy the set up that worked. hope that explains the 26 bit.

and as stated if pole is not dead straight and dish dead level and lnb aimed spot on it will never work because 26 east is weak from the outset. and in another post you will see mention of a balck ultra lnb and that is said for a reason, it works. i am near atlantic ocean and get 26 east but i have a black ultra on a traix 1.1m motorised.


tc, i dont think that lnb set up wll work , are u using iba pics as a reference?

can you take off bracket and just have a single lnb on the arm


i am watching footie

joe

do you want to install same set up?

Peter Rhea

t c wrote: »

The pole is vertical, Peter.

It looks as if its not as pic was taken from a lower position with a wide angle lens which gives a wrong perspective.

Reckoned that was the case, just wanted to be sure.

t c

Well here it is. Spent all day wiring LNB's snd Diseqc switches, don't want to see another connector for awhile........ :eek:

Pics enclosed.

I set dish as near as I could judge to 26e as recommended by Dishpointer and connected all the LNB's and Diseqc switches and got the following with no dish adjustment. Did skew LNB's a bit.

The LNB's are, from left to right, 28, 26, 19 and 13. Also writing on Diseqc switches are for each receiver and what satellite. There is one receiver in dining room, and a Foxsat HDR in sitting room, therefore 2 switches run to that.

28 reception bril, 19.2 great as well, thought I was getting something on 26, but it seems even though Badr 26E is displayed, I am in fact getting 23.5 and nothing on 13E.

It was a rush job at the end as I wanted to remove old dish and get connected to new one so wife would not miss BB, so a bit of fine tuning due. Also had to change Saorview aerial.

The fact that I am getting 23.5 on what is the prime focus LNB and should be Badr26 and no 13 means what? Dish needs to go what way? I cannot be that far off.

Slowly but surely getting there, but it is hard fiddly work.

By the way, I know wiring needs to be tidied up a bit, but 4 LNB's and 3 cables from each to 3 Diseqc switches, a lot of cables. Also the cable coming from the left hand LNB to the house is for 28E in the bedroom as I decided not to run all birds to there.

TC

Peter Rhea

t c wrote: »

There is one receiver in dining room, and a Foxsat HDR in sitting room, therefore 2 switches run to that.

Can you use both Humax tuners with diseqc?

I would still be inclined to agree with others here & in the original thread in that initially aligning the dish with a single lnb on 26E would have been a good idea.

t c

Have a switch to each tuner. Just thought this was the way to do it if I wanted to record from one of the other satellites. Which I have just tried and it works fine.

Tried to get 26 with single LNB, but as I couldn't, and was worried about other dish in front of Triax, decided to wire everything up and see what happens. It is not difficult to remove tuner cable from Diseqc and connect direct to LNB if need be.

TC

Zardoz

t c wrote: »

Just to clear up a point, looking from FRONT of dish, from left to right the LNB's are, 28, 26, 19 and 13?

You have 2 major problems.
Firstly 2 degree separation on a Triax 1.1 dish is impossible .
The Lnb holders on the Triax bar are poorly designed and will only allow 3 degree seperation with some modding.
Secondly even with the modding you need slimline Lnbs for 3 degree seperation,the ones you have are too wide,you will struggle to get 4 degree seperation with them.

Peter Rhea

t c wrote: »

Tried to get 26 with single LNB

I meant a single lnb using the dish's original lnb holder. This would give you a reference against which you could judge any future modifications, such as the multiblock with its central lnb.

t c

This is what prompted my to try this route as it seem to work for IBA. See post 11 and pictures.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056416102

Zardoz

t c wrote: »

This is what prompted my to try this route as it seem to work for IBA. See post 11 and pictures.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056416102

Thats weird ,looking at those photos 26e is almost equidistant between 28e and 19e .
I guess 28e is so strong it can be so far offline.

I'd get one of those Inverto Black Ultra lnb's for 26e too if I were you ,they are supposed to be excellent for weak satellites.

Apogee

t c wrote: »

The fact that I am getting 23.5 on what is the prime focus LNB and should be Badr26 and no 13 means what? Dish needs to go what way? I cannot be that far off.

It means your elevation is still slightly too high and the dish is still too far west.

asif2011

I'm a begineer when it comes to satellites but according to Sat-Beams - 26E requires a minimum of a 1.3m dish. Have a look at the Sat-Beams site below for yourself.

Look at the second link to KingOfSat, we can only get Badr4 using a 1.3m dish, we wouldn't be able to receive Badr6-BSS as we are not in the footprint, so you will never be able to receive Abu Dhabi Sports in Europe...(as it is only on Badr6-BSS) and according to KingOfSat Badr6-Medium & Badr6-High don't have any stations... (click on Badr4 or 6 at the top of the page and then select the frequency where is says 'Select a beam')

http://www.satbeams.com/footprints?position=26
http://en.kingofsat.net/pos-26E.php

I could be wrong, but that's the way I see it...

swoofer

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, its badr4 at 26east we are interested in and if you click on that footprint you will see it covers ireland and can be got on a 1.1m triax, the op is doing a multi lnb set up. i am in west of irealnd and here are a few pics. and there is another thread where poster iba has the lot working.
@asif2011, where are you located and what sats are you thinking of getting.

here are a few pics, this is with a 1.1m motorised and a black ultra.
gbcullen

dxhound2005

Yes, you do not want to take too much notice of some of the published footprints. The strongest TP for me on Badr 4 (12602 V 2960) is actually on the FSS beam which does not come anywhere near Ireland. Nor does the MBC beam and it is strong as well. I did a rescan and now get 219 TV and 80 Radio channels.

http://www.arabsat.com/pages/BADR4.aspx

swoofer

yes, checked that one now and its 74% Q but the least movement of dish and it goes but mbc stays so better for searching, here is a pic anyway

gbc-

minterno

asif2011 wrote: »

I'm a begineer when it comes to satellites but according to Sat-Beams - 26E requires a minimum of a 1.3m dish. Have a look at the Sat-Beams site below for yourself.

Look at the second link to KingOfSat, we can only get Badr4 using a 1.3m dish, we wouldn't be able to receive Badr6-BSS as we are not in the footprint, so you will never be able to receive Abu Dhabi Sports in Europe...(as it is only on Badr6-BSS) and according to KingOfSat Badr6-Medium & Badr6-High don't have any stations... (click on Badr4 or 6 at the top of the page and then select the frequency where is says 'Select a beam')

http://www.satbeams.com/footprints?position=26
http://en.kingofsat.net/pos-26E.php

I could be wrong, but that's the way I see it...

as stated the footprints are not exact,i have a triax 1.1 motorised and an 85cm motorised and i get all the mbc channels although i will get breakup sometimes in heavy rain with the 85cm

googled eyes

Could a twin monoblock be used to pick up Astra 28 and badr4 on 26 easily with a 1 meter dish ? Rather than astra and hotbird that they seem to be advertised for ?

glic83

arent most monoblocks designed for 6 degree spacing ? so therefore you couldnt have 26e and 28e on a mono block

googled eyes

They come in 3, 4 and 6 degrees ?
I was thinking that if you focused mainly on badr that the astra signal would be powerful enough to make up for the couple of 10ths of degrees off 28 for the second lnb