Gallagher vote gone to Mc Guinness?

drunkmonkey

Just taking to some that was outside the poling booth for a little while, he reckons the Gallagher voters have gone for McGuinness. Is it possible?

Liam Byrne

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just taking to some that was outside the poling booth for a little while, he reckons the Gallagher voters have gone for McGuinness. Is it possible?

Given that some idiots somewhere voted for Ahern, Healy-Rae, Lawlor, Cooper-Flynn, Lowry, etc, anything's possible.

fishy fishy

I would imagine some would, but to be honest I would say mostly Michael D will benefit from the FF candidates loss of votes. Which wouldn't be too bad - at all at all. I think even MMG would be happy for these votes to go to MDH.

Howjoe1

quiet possible and I think they will transfer as 2nd pref to MDH

meditraitor

Im going to go out on a limb here and predict a good % go to NORRIS, I think he will poll in excess of 15% first preference..

newballsplease

fishy fishy wrote: »

I would imagine some would, but to be honest I would say mostly Michael D will benefit from the FF candidates loss of votes. Which wouldn't be too bad - at all at all. I think even MMG would be happy for these votes to go to MDH.

How? that makes no sense to me?

leonidas83

Doubt it, Gallagher voters would typically be right wing and McGuinness is as left wing as they come. Can see the votes Gallagher loses being spread across the candidates as there would not be any obvious alternative to Gallagher. I also expect Gallagher to do quite well as these type of voters tend to ignore indiscretions on the part of their candidates and have very short memories

GSF

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just taking to some that was outside the poling booth for a little while, he reckons the Gallagher voters have gone for McGuinness. Is it possible?

ask 100 people and you'll get 100 different answers

drunkmonkey

leonidas83 wrote: »

Doubt it, Gallagher voters would typically be right wing and McGuinness is as left wing as they come.

FF votes are also republican votes. It's whether they'll vote for a fellow republican over a fellow FF candidate is the the big question.

Snakeblood

newballsplease wrote: »

How? that makes no sense to me?

Sinn Fein don't want Fianna Fail getting back into power\prominence. If they can crush the nascent revival, then they'll do better long term. THey'd love if MMG won, but that's not likely, so they're looking at the next best thing, which is polling better than FF by proxy and Fine Gael.

leonidas83

drunkmonkey wrote: »

FF votes are also republican votes. It's whether they'll vote for a fellow republican over a fellow FF candidate is the the big question.

Cant see FF voters voting for Sinn Fein tbh, they may be both republican parties but people dont vote like that, most people couldnt give a ****e if we are a united ireland again or not. They are more concerned about their own situation

brownswiss

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just taking to some that was outside the poling booth for a little while, he reckons the Gallagher voters have gone for McGuinness. Is it possible?

.........

I have always thought that SF and FF voters would be more or less be swapping votes... Was'nt one of the greates Fianna Fail leaders of our time supplying SF with tools of the trade in the 70's..

Sean Gallagher and MMG were dealing with the same people who were giving the brown envelopes.... only difference MMg was able to apply a little more pressure to the guy when he wanted to embarrass SG... so FFers will give their 2nd pref at least to MMg....

FFers have some cheek talking about MMG having blood on his hands when they have this countrie's blood all over them

Pal

Can't speak for anyone else but I'm a FF voter and a republican at heart.
I have never ever given SF a preference of any order. No thanks.

fishy fishy

newballsplease wrote: »

How? that makes no sense to me?

because MMG is in this for the long game - he went for presidency - I don't think he ever thought he would win, but having himself up there is keeping his profile well and truly centre stage which is what he wanted to achieve anyway.

I think if MMG was an ordinary joe soap he would be putting his vote mDH's way, before any of the rest of him IMHO.

Also I don't think MMG ousted the Fianna Failer candidate on Frontline thinking he would pick up his votes - I think he did it to highlight FF and their corrupt and sneaky ways and how they operate.

Curiosity12

There are quite a few republicans who are utterly cringing at the comment that FF are essentially republican as are Sinn Fein

FF are in no way currently republican - the beliefs of their forefathers have long been lost

Sinn Fein too have renaged on some of their relublican principles by being in governement in the first place, but in essence they would be far more republican than FF

meditraitor

fishy fishy wrote: »

because MMG is in this for the long game - he went for presidency - I don't think he ever thought he would win, but having himself up there is keeping his profile well and truly centre stage which is what he wanted to achieve anyway.

However much I disagree with his running and the man himself I do think he has done any amount of good for the profile of SF, they will probably gain 5% across the board from this......interesting times ahead for Irish politics

brownswiss

leonidas83 wrote: »

Doubt it, Gallagher voters would typically be right wing and McGuinness is as left wing as they come. Can see the votes Gallagher loses being spread across the candidates as there would not be any obvious alternative to Gallagher. I also expect Gallagher to do quite well as these type of voters tend to ignore indiscretions on the part of their candidates and have very short memories

..

I agree with you about ffers not being bothered by indiscretions but are sf considered left wing in northern ireland.. are they not implementing the same policies as ff would?

fishy fishy

meditraitor wrote: »

However much I disagree with his running and the man himself I do think he has done any amount of good for the profile of SF, they will probably gain 5% across the board from this......interesting times ahead for Irish politics

so its a win win situation

books4sale

I don't think MMG ever expected to win this election

I believe his entry was just a ploy to boost the profile of Sinn Fein.

Aren't they the third most popular party now possibly pushing close to second.

fishy fishy

Pal wrote: »

Can't speak for anyone else but I'm a FF voter and a republican at heart.
I have never ever given SF a preference of any order. No thanks.

If you are a FF voter I would say you must be an American republican? You couldn't be a FF supporter and a republican at heart - its like ahearn fella waffling on about him being a socialist.

Pal

fishy fishy wrote: »

If you are a FF voter I would say you must be an American republican? You couldn't be a FF supporter and a republican at heart - its like ahearn fella waffling on about him being a socialist.

Last time I looked, I lived in a Republic.

Spudmonkey

It would seem a bit hypocritical that previous Sean Gallagher voters would change their choice to McGuinness on the basis that Gallagher was lying.

3ndahalfof6

OP why would you think SG voters would now not be SG voters.

10000maniacs

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Given that some idiots somewhere voted for Ahern, Healy-Rae, Lawlor, Cooper-Flynn, Lowry, etc, anything's possible.

You left out this idiot.
Charlie "If I have it I'll Spend it" Mc Creevy
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drunkmonkey

books4sale wrote: »

I don't think MMG ever expected to win this election

I believe his entry was just a ploy to boost the profile of Sinn Fein.

Aren't they the third most popular party now possibly pushing close to second.

I doubt it's just a stunt, the Good friday agreement does allow for a 32 county republic if the majority of the people in Ireland both North & South want it, If Mc Guinness is elected he can try and get that majority or at least bring the subject back in the spotlight.
He's running as an independent not for Sinn Fein.

Snakeblood

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

OP why would you think SG voters would now not be SG voters.

The lying, probably. Probably some SG voters thought they were getting an independent, when they're getting a card carrying member of Fianna Fail.

jimmycrackcorm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

FF votes are also republican votes. It's whether they'll vote for a fellow republican over a fellow FF candidate is the the big question.

Only a small core of voters are voting on party lines otherwise how else can you explain how diametrically opposite the Labour and FG candidates are.

McGuinness will only get the core SF vote. The second preference of SG voters is Higgins, and he will gain from the recent days upheaval.

3ndahalfof6

was SG not low in the poles untill the Norris letters, so the Norris voters decided to vote for SG, I have not seen the latest pole so I am not sure how SG is doing, I just hope the Irish voters think about it and he does not get in. (but when have they ever done this)

not including the last GE, but even then there were 17% who were zombified.

fishy fishy

Pal wrote: »

Last time I looked, I lived in a Republic.

if you check FF the "republican" party you will find that they picked the nameas it stands for "The unity of the island". (seems they lost that along the way) !!:p It also says it stands for liberty, equality and fraternity (for their cronies).

drunkmonkey

The indo even like Marty now, there referring to him as:

"Mighty Marty the Dragon Slayer"

jimmycrackcorm

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

was SG not low in the poles untill the Norris letters, so the Norris voters decided to vote for SG,

Norris only rode high in the polls because he got into the race long before the others.

I just hope the Irish voters think about it and he does not get in. (but when have they ever done this)

There are quite a number people who hold this opinion that the electorate is stupid bar they themselves. People are thinking about it and putting a perspective on it. In Gallaghers case, people are thinking all that he did was fundraising, in McGuinness's case they are thinking that IRA murders were simply casualties of war.

fishy fishy

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Norris only rode high in the polls because he got into the race long before the others.




There are quite a number people who hold this opinion that the electorate is stupid bar they themselves. People are thinking about it and putting a perspective on it. In Gallaghers case, people are thinking all that he did was fundraising, in McGuinness's case they are thinking that IRA murders were simply casualties of war.

which people?

yosser hughes

Pal wrote: »

Can't speak for anyone else but I'm a FF voter and a republican at heart.
I have never ever given SF a preference of any order. No thanks.

If you are a FF supporter then would you agree that the party you support has done more damage to this country than the IRA? Of course you won't agree but in my opinion your party are traitors and your support perpetuates that treason. What does that make you? Pal!

3ndahalfof6

does anyone have a reliable link for PE pole, I did try to find 1 but its giving lots of shiite.

fishy fishy

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

does anyone have a reliable link for PE pole, I did try to find 1 but its giving lots of shiite.

A PE pole - maybe you should try a gym. this is an election board.

maccored

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

in McGuinness's case they are thinking that IRA murders were simply casualties of war.

I'd be watching out for those who use the word 'simply' in relation to the conflict in the north.

3ndahalfof6

fishy fishy wrote: »

A PE pole - maybe you should try a gym. this is an election board.

ok poll if it helps to unscramble your brain, please dont reply,

do what I say,

now where was I oooo there it is.

fishy fishy

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

ok poll if it helps to unscramble your brain, please dont reply,

do what I say,

now where was I oooo there it is.

yes boss.
go to the after hours section- there is a good poll there and unlike this one it would be a more general and overall view. the die hards would be voting in this thread.

crebel81

drunkmonkey wrote: »

FF votes are also republican votes. It's whether they'll vote for a fellow republican over a fellow FF candidate is the the big question.

Ah come on, get real for a second. Are you honestly telling me that Fianna Fail are republicans?

KeithAFC

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I doubt it's just a stunt, the Good friday agreement does allow for a 32 county republic if the majority of the people in Ireland both North & South want it, If Mc Guinness is elected he can try and get that majority or at least bring the subject back in the spotlight.
He's running as an independent not for Sinn Fein.

So is Sean Gallagher but then again, no one believes that bullsh*t and it is the same with Martin Mcguinness. Martin Mcguinness slated Sean Gallagher for having links to Fianna Fail as if it was a crime when he is a member of Sinn Fein which has close links to the PIRA or some would say is the PIRA with pens and paper.

Sunnyisland

crebel81 wrote: »

Ah come on, get real for a second. Are you honestly telling me that Fianna Fail are republicans?

Thats what they claim, Fianna Fáil adheres to the great democratic principle of government of the people, by the people and for the people. The party's name incorporates the words ‘The Republican Party' in its title. Republican here stands both for the unity of the island and a commitment to the historic principles of European republican philosophy, namely liberty, equality and fraternity.

K-9

The only thing people can go on is the polls and Gallagher picked up his support from the collapse of Norris and Davis's vote and a drop in Dana's. It all depends if that's a protest vote, the next option is McGuinness. I think a lot of it is the FG vote that aren't voting Mitchell and McGuinness isn't going to get a huge share of it.

Some FF voters would go SF in strong SF areas but there's also a big Anybody but SF element in the old FF vote.

Hannibal

KeithAFC wrote: »

So is Sean Gallagher but then again, no one believes that bullsh*t and it is the same with Martin Mcguinness. Martin Mcguinness slated Sean Gallagher for having links to Fianna Fail as if it was a crime when he is a member of Sinn Fein which has close links to the IRA or some would say is the IRA with pens and paper.

Martin McGuinness is running as an independent meaning he's not under the Sinn Féin banner in this election. He's still a member of Sinn Féin and he hasn't denied previously being a member etc.. unlike Gallagher who has consistently lied about his involvement with Fianna Fáil throughout the campaign. If Gallagher ran as the member of Fianna Fáil we all know he is then there's no problem but it's the fact he's trying to hide it that's the problem.

Every party in this election has had links with the IRA in the past and SF is only doing what FF and FG have done before them in running an ex-IRA man. It is my understanding that the IRA decommissioned and left the stage a few years ago so there's no problem there.

KeithAFC

Dotsey wrote: »

Martin McGuinness is running as an independent meaning he's not under the Sinn Féin banner in this election. He's still a member of Sinn Féin and he hasn't denied previously being a member etc.. unlike Gallagher who has consistently lied about his involvement with Fianna Fáil throughout the campaign. If Gallagher ran as the member of Fianna Fáil we all know he is then there's no problem but it's the fact he's trying to hide it that's the problem.

Every party in this election has had links with the IRA in the past and SF is only doing what FF and FG have done before them in running an ex-IRA man. It is my understanding that the IRA decommissioned and left the stage a few years ago so there's no problem there.

If Sean Gallagher had the past Martin Mcguinness had, he would never have even got the chance to run in the election, never mind actually win it. But there does seem to be a double standard when it comes to these both.

One is apparently corrupt and evil and had close links to an evil party. The other is apparently the peoples president and is all about peace and loving people. Sean Gallagher says something, it receives booes, Martin Mcguinness says something and it is cheered and applauded like he is the second coming of Jesus. Very hypocritical when you assess it overall.

K-9

Dotsey wrote: »

Martin McGuinness is running as an independent meaning he's not under the Sinn Féin banner in this election. He's still a member of Sinn Féin and he hasn't denied previously being a member etc.. unlike Gallagher who has consistently lied about his involvement with Fianna Fáil throughout the campaign. If Gallagher ran as the member of Fianna Fáil we all know he is then there's no problem but it's the fact he's trying to hide it that's the problem.

Every party in this election has had links with the IRA in the past and SF is only doing what FF and FG have done before them in running an ex-IRA man. It is my understanding that the IRA decommissioned and left the stage a few years ago so there's no problem there.

McGuinness was nominated by SF TD's and Senators, he just needed a few Independents to get the requisite 20 nominations. I don't think even McGuinness has contested this notion.

Gallagher was nominated by County Councils, albeit FF friendly ones.

I've seen some arguments against logic and available logic and information in McGuinness threads, this particular one is the gold nugget!

wow sierra

Fianna Fáil - The Republican Party

History lesson: They were founded in 1926 by the IRA members who objected to the Free State 26 counties of Cumann na NGael (now Fine Gael). So yes barring changeing their name since they are still Fianna Fáil The Republican Party. They were also associated with the working classes and the small farmers while Fine Gael were associated with business and bigger farmers. Until about the 1980s this was still very much the tradition. It is certainly the tradition I grew up with in Fianna Fáil.

2011
Not letting Brian Crowley run in this election was a mistake by Micheál Martin of such epic proportions that it will feature in history books. They had the chance to be associated with a really popular well spoken representative of the Party. He probably wouln't have won but he would have done better than Mitchell. McGuinness probably wouldn't have ran and landed Sinn Féin the position of biggest opposition party. The spectre of Seán Gallagher and liars and envelopes would not have happened. I weep for them as a former loyal supporter who respects their history. Nothing short of a catastrophe.

Hannibal

KeithAFC wrote: »

If Sean Gallagher had the past Martin Mcguinness had, he would never have even got the chance to run in the election, never mind actually win it. But there does seem to be a double standard when it comes to these both.

One is apparently corrupt and evil and had close links to an evil party. The other is apparently the peoples president and is all about peace and loving people. Sean Gallagher says something, it receives booes, Martin Mcguinness says something and it is cheered and applauded like he is the second coming of Jesus. Very hypocritical when you assess it overall.

Hypocritical of whom? the people who are going to be voting today is it? We thankfully live in a democracy Keith where we have the chance to vote for our head of state and it's not bestowed as a birth right to some German who's married to her cousin.

MMcG has had to put up with practically being called a murderer by a tv presenter on live tv during one debate, the largest selling national newspaper also has a personal vendetta against him and you think he is been given an easy time?

Gallagher has tried to cover up who he is and the part he played in FF both on a national level and on a fundraising level. People like Gallagher with their celtic tiger mentality and excesses are everything that brought this country to it's kness in debt and it's something we should be trying to get away from not return to after two years.

KeithAFC

Dotsey wrote: »

Hypocritical of whom? the people who are going to be voting today is it? We thankfully live in a democracy Keith where we have the chance to vote for our head of state and it's not bestowed as a birth right to some German who's married to her cousin.

MMcG has had to put up with practically being called a murderer by a tv presenter on live tv during one debate, the largest selling national newspaper also has a personal vendetta against him and you think he is been given an easy time?

Gallagher has tried to cover up who he is and the part he played in FF both on a national level and on a fundraising level. People like Gallagher with their celtic tiger mentality and excesses are everything that brought this country to it's kness in debt and it's something we should be trying to get away from not return to after two years.

Of course people can vote for who they want. But it is the hypocritical stance which is rather odd. Treat them both the same if you must. But Sean getting a slating perhaps is OK but to get it from a person like Martin Mcguinness and then have the crowd cheer it on I thought was rather odd.

fishy fishy

KeithAFC wrote: »

Of course people can vote for who they want. But it is the hypocritical stance which is rather odd. Treat them both the same if you must. But Sean getting a slating perhaps is OK but to get it from a person like Martin Mcguinness and then have the crowd cheer it on I thought was rather odd.

it was quite brilliant - at last an hour of tv that justifies the high TV license price.

Hannibal

KeithAFC wrote: »

Of course people can vote for who they want. But it is the hypocritical stance which is rather odd. Treat them both the same if you must. But Sean getting a slating perhaps is OK but to get it from a person like Martin Mcguinness and then have the crowd cheer it on I thought was rather odd.

McGuinness is a leading member of your government in the province, and has been a prominent politician for 30 years so people know enough about him whereas Gallagher is a tv personality who people know little about.

I can't see how they're hypocrites when they're seperate issues. A person like Martin McGuinness is the same as people like Peter Robinson, David Ervine etc.. yes things happened during a time of war in the Troubles but these people led us out of it and saw a bigger picture and a future and the situation up north is a million times different to anything that existed previously.

LordSutch

The whole point of this thread is Pro Sinn Fein/ McGuinness propaganda, which is pretty transparent when you think about it!

Why would the Gallagher vote go to a blood stained IRA man? (two candidates poles apart) the OP must think people are very stupid or naive, or both )