A question for Martin McGuinness supports.

ANXIOUS

Will MMcg have a dilemma when it comes to bringing jobs to the republic of Ireland? All his speeches seem to be centered on the fact that he wants to be president of a 32 county country. He highlights how he brought jobs to Ireland all of which are in the north.

So my question is will mmcg devote his full time and effort to bringing jobs to the republic? While i agree that a 32 county country would be great, I want a president to devote all his time to the 26 counties.

Galwayguy35

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Will MMcg have a dilemma when it comes to bringing jobs to the republic of Ireland? All his speeches seem to be centered on the fact that he wants to be president of a 32 county country. He highlights how he brought jobs to Ireland all of which are in the north.

So my question is will mmcg devote his full time and effort to bringing jobs to the republic? While i agree that a 32 county country would be great, I want a president to devote all his time to the 26 counties.

Its an irrevelant question really, the President is just a figurehead they wont bring one job to the country. The Government cant even manage that at the moment.

drunkmonkey

I think America would have no problem dealing with Mc Guinness as he represents a united Ireland which is a safe Ireland, He's well used to it, has met Obama, Clinton and spoke in Wall Street and Hollywood in the last few weeks. He also has top level connections in the UK.

He's out there already doing things a president should be doing. We have to look past his past, we don't have to forget it but we do have to look past it or were about to miss a wonderful opportunity.

drunkmonkey

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Its an irrevelant question really, the President is just a figurehead they wont bring one job to the country. The Government cant even manage that at the moment.

And that's why we need a kick ass president.

ANXIOUS

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Its an irrevelant question really, the President is just a figurehead they wont bring one job to the country. The Government cant even manage that at the moment.

So then, why did he said he could?

fishy fishy

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Will MMcg have a dilemma when it comes to bringing jobs to the republic of Ireland? All his speeches seem to be centered on the fact that he wants to be president of a 32 county country. He highlights how he brought jobs to Ireland all of which are in the north.

So my question is will mmcg devote his full time and effort to bringing jobs to the republic? While i agree that a 32 county country would be great, I want a president to devote all his time to the 26 counties.

Of course he will, he'll be only too delighted to.

Galwayguy35

drunkmonkey wrote: »

And that's why we need a kick ass president.

I agree but realistically the government wants the President to show up at functions and say nothing. Thats why they picked Gay Mitchell:D

Galwayguy35

ANXIOUS wrote: »

So then, why did he said he could?

Its not that he wouldnt want to but its not an easy ask of anyone.

sparkling sea

M McG will obviously try to bring in jobs for the Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, and unfortunately at this time we can't afford to share our Presidential resource.

But given that Northen Ireland is his country and his forte, given this is where he actually holds a senior governmental position, where he has networked and where his real constituents actually live, it doesn't take much imagination to realise this is where his main focus will be. He is after all only human

Human nature predicts people look after their own, McGuinness is NI through and through, its fool hardy to think other wise

Sunnyisland

sparkling sea wrote: »

M McG will obviously try to bring in jobs for the Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, and unfortunately at this time we can't afford to share our Presidential resource.

But given that Northern Ireland is his country and his forte, given this is where he actually holds a senior governmental position, where he has networked and where his real constituents actually live, it doesn't take much imagination to realise this is where his main focus will be. He is after all only human

Human nature predicts people look after their own, McGuinness is NI through and through, its fool hardy to think other wise

Really :D wouldn't you just wish.

drunkmonkey

sparkling sea wrote: »

Human nature predicts people look after their own, McGuinness is NI through and through, its fool hardy to think other wise

He's lives closer to the Aras than Michael D, he is one of our own.

phog

drunkmonkey wrote: »

He's lives closer to the Aras than Michael D, he is one of our own.

Ml D lives closer to America than I do, does that make him american :rolleyes:

sparkling sea

drunkmonkey wrote: »

He's lives closer to the Aras than Michael D, he is one of our own.

Oh he might be one of your own alright but he's not one of mine, no matter how hard you try to push him on me.

And neither is Dana

Liam Byrne

drunkmonkey wrote: »

sparkling sea wrote: »

Human nature predicts people look after their own, McGuinness is NI through and through, its fool hardy to think other wise

He's lives closer to the Aras than Michael D, he is one of our own.

I don't know EXACTLY where McGun or Micheal D live, but if we take Derry City & Galway City, then that's a false claim.

237km vs 208km

dixiefly

McGuinness wont be bring any jobs "down here" as he says himself.

The question wont arise as McGuinness has about the same chance as Mary Davis or Dana of winning...i.e. none.

jbkenn

drunkmonkey wrote: »

He's lives closer to the Aras than Michael D, he is one of our own.

When he can produce a PPS number and a P60 for any year since he was released from prison, then I will consider him "one of our own"

Frowzy

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Will MMcg have a dilemma when it comes to bringing jobs to the republic of Ireland? All his speeches seem to be centered on the fact that he wants to be president of a 32 county country. He highlights how he brought jobs to Ireland all of which are in the north.

So my question is will mmcg devote his full time and effort to bringing jobs to the republic? While i agree that a 32 county country would be great, I want a president to devote all his time to the 26 counties.

Has this same issue bothered you for the last 14 years while Mary McAleese was in office?

Liam Byrne

Frowzy wrote: »

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Will MMcg have a dilemma when it comes to bringing jobs to the republic of Ireland? All his speeches seem to be centered on the fact that he wants to be president of a 32 county country. He highlights how he brought jobs to Ireland all of which are in the north.

So my question is will mmcg devote his full time and effort to bringing jobs to the republic? While i agree that a 32 county country would be great, I want a president to devote all his time to the 26 counties.

Has this same issue bothered you for the last 14 years while Mary McAleese was in office?

Did McAleese ever refuse to refer to the state by name or claim that they were running for president of 32 counties ?

nordydan

jbkenn wrote: »

drunkmonkey wrote: »

He's lives closer to the Aras than Michael D, he is one of our own.

When he can produce a PPS number and a P60 for any year since he was released from prison, then I will consider him "one of our own"

Is Sean Fitzpatrick or David Drumm "on of your own"? Is Mary McAleese?

Frowzy

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Did McAleese ever refuse to refer to the state by name or claim that they were running for president of 32 counties ?

That wasn't the OP's question. Read the OP again....

sparkling sea

Frowzy wrote: »

Has this same issue bothered you for the last 14 years while Mary McAleese was in office?

It bothered me and many others - do we count? Probably not but at least we can vote in the real world, the world where we are happy to be the Ireland the Republic of - not - Ireland the Island

Liam Byrne

Frowzy wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Did McAleese ever refuse to refer to the state by name or claim that they were running for president of 32 counties ?

That wasn't the OP's question. Read the OP again....

I was replying to your post comparing the recent presidents to McG.

McG's view of the scope of the state & position and McAleese's view are completely different, which would colour their approach.

Did McAleese campaign - prior to the election - in Northern Ireland.

Frowzy

sparkling sea wrote: »

It bothered me and many others - do we count? Probably not but at least we can vote in the real world, the world where we are happy to be the Ireland the Republic of - not - Ireland the Island

Absolutely! Just can't figure out why?

I'm not out to defend anyone, I'm just trying to figure out if the problem is with someone from Northern Ireland, or other reasons why the OP is questioning McG.

So is the general feeling that Mary was a bad president?

** note the post I was replying to was edited while I was replying, I was replying to first sentence only. - rest of post is off topic IMO

Liam Byrne

Frowzy wrote: »

sparkling sea wrote: »

It bothered me and many others - do we count? Probably not but at least we can vote in the real world, the world where we are happy to be the Ireland the Republic of - not - Ireland the Island

Absolutely! Just can't figure out why?

I'm not out to defend anyone, I'm just trying to figure out if the problem is with someone from Northern Ireland, or other reasons why the OP is questioning McG.

So is the general feeling that Mary was a bad president?

No. But Mary didn't have an ulterior definition when/if she used the phrase "a new Ireland"

Frowzy

Liam Byrne wrote: »

No. But Mary didn't have an ulterior definition when/if she used the phrase "a new Ireland"

Now it's getting ridculous, and off topic.

I'm all for a debate but that's speculation not fact!

I'm out....

Sunnyisland

Frowzy wrote: »

Now it's getting ridiculous, and off topic.

I'm all for a debate but that's speculation not fact!

I'm out....

Know how you feel some people cant see the forest because of the trees.

KELTICKNIGHTT

drunkmonkey wrote: »

And that's why we need a kick ass president.

mmg a kick ass alright
terrorist an big liar all his life like his party

EI_Flyboy

MMcG said lastnight, if elected as president, he'd create six jobs by taking the six of the dole and paying them out of his presidential pay. That's six more concrete jobs than the rest of the candidates.

In saying that, Higgins was right when he said he created thousands of jobs over the years thanks to his support of the arts and filming.

Just like I asked on the other thread about pots and kettles, do any of MMcgs' detractors/bashers/dislikers have any clue about what started the troubles? Have any read the Northern Ireland Special Powers act or have any idea what led upto Bloody Sunday?

Born_to_Hula

Ignoring his IRA past, the fact that Martin McGuinness wants to represent Ireland's 32 counties when he's running for the presidency of the Republic of Ireland, which has 26 counties, makes him, in my opinion unsuitable for the job.

KeithAFC

drunkmonkey wrote: »

And that's why we need a kick ass president.

The role of Irish president has no power though? So how could he/she bring jobs?

Liam Byrne

EI_Flyboy wrote: »

Just like I asked on the other thread about pots and kettles, do any of MMcgs' detractors/bashers/dislikers have any clue about what started the troubles? Have any read the Northern Ireland Special Powers act or have any idea what led upto Bloody Sunday?

Irrelevant. McG has repeatedly claimed that he "fought back", which is bullcrap, because he and his gang fought against and killed people who hadn't started anything.

KELTICKNIGHTT

EI_Flyboy wrote: »

MMcG said lastnight, if elected as president, he'd create six jobs by taking the six of the dole and paying them out of his presidential pay. That's six more concrete jobs than the rest of the candidates.

In saying that, Higgins was right when he said he created thousands of jobs over the years thanks to his support of the arts and filming.

Just like I asked on the other thread about pots and kettles, do any of MMcgs' detractors/bashers/dislikers have any clue about what started the troubles? Have any read the Northern Ireland Special Powers act or have any idea what led upto Bloody Sunday?

sinn fein head office is in north so they don't pay taxes in south

all sinn fein posters for MMG where made totally in north

mmg making great start creating work in south ,mmg is full of bull

crucamim

jbkenn wrote: »

When he can produce a PPS number and a P60 for any year since he was released from prison, then I will consider him "one of our own"

He probably could produce a P60 for each year of his adult life. The form P60 is a UK form - a certificate of pay and tax deducted during the tax year just ended.

EI_Flyboy

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Irrelevant. McG has repeatedly claimed that he "fought back", which is bullcrap, because he and his gang fought against and killed people who hadn't started anything.

So you're completely unwilling to educate yourself as to the realities of the that conflict? You have a steadfast belief that the otherside is wrong, that they're evil incarnate and no matter what you are unwilling to see it from their point of view? You just hate them, fullstop. I think you'll find that you could easily be catagorised as an extremist and as such aren't a million miles from those who carried the gun during the troubles, you're actually in a better position than most to understand what caused them. Now take your anger and hatred, multiply it by the loss of loved ones, family or friends and then you might come close to understanding what many people on both sides of the divide in Northern Ireland had to get over for their to be a peace process.

Sunnyisland

EI_Flyboy wrote: »

So you're completely unwilling to educate yourself as to the realities of the that conflict? You have a steadfast belief that the otherside is wrong, that they're evil incarnate and no matter what you are unwilling to see it from their point of view? You just hate them, fullstop. I think you'll find that you could easily be catagorised as an extremist and as such aren't a million miles from those who carried the gun during the troubles, you're actually in a better position than most to understand what caused the them. Now take your anger and hatred, multiply by the loss of a loved one, family or friends and then you might come close to understanding what many people on both sides of the divide in Northern Ireland had to get over for their to be a peace process.

Well said .

jbkenn

crucamim wrote: »

He probably could produce a P60 for each year of his adult life. The form P60 is a UK form - a certificate of pay and tax deducted during the tax year just ended.

I am only interested in a P60 from the Revenue Commissioners and a PPS number issued by the Department of Social Protection, I could'nt give a damn for any documents issued by HM Government

Liam Byrne

EI_Flyboy wrote: »

So you're completely unwilling to educate yourself as to the realities of the that conflict? You have a steadfast belief that the otherside is wrong, that they're evil incarnate and no matter what you are unwilling to see it from their point of view?

What do you mean by "other side" ?

I think you'll find that you could easily be catagorised as an extremist and as such aren't a million miles from those who carried the gun during the troubles,

Yeah, sure :rolleyes: Objecting consistently to murder of innocents is just as bad as murdering them

I don't care what apologists categorise me as, to be honest, because their opinion has no bearing on reality if the above is anything to go by.

But before I add you to the ignore list, I would love to hear your definition of "other side"

Bergkamp 10

Ignore listing people you dont agree with. Thats a new one Liam. Then again I'm sure down in Limerick you would know every detail of the conflict on Northern Ireland and it affected your family and life daily, making it a misery. Or not?

Sunnyisland

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

Ignore listing people you dont agree with. Thats a new one Liam. Then again I'm sure down in Limerick you would know every detail of the conflict on Northern Ireland and it affected your family and life daily, making it a misery. Or not?

He has A very big ignore list and I would think you have now just joined it :D welcome.

Liam Byrne

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

Ignore listing people you dont agree with. Thats a new one Liam. Then again I'm sure down in Limerick you would know every detail of the conflict on Northern Ireland and it affected your family and life daily, making it a misery. Or not?

Actually, it's ignoring people that compare me to murderers, but don't let that get in the way of a cheap slur.

And do I need to remind anyone about the IRA thugs that brought their so-called "war" to a village street in Limerick ?

EI_Flyboy

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I don't care what apologists categorise me as, to be honest, because their opinion has no bearing on reality if the above is anything to go by.

But before I add you to the ignore list, I would love to hear your definition of "other side"

I'm glad I don't share your reality as I'm sure it's a very ugly and unhappy place to be, no subtle shades of colour but all just stark black and white and everyone is incapable of understanding that there's always two sides to a story if not three.

I'd be proud to be on your ignore list.

maccored

i just hope liam makes no reference to this post at all, so I know Im on his ignore list .... he's on mine so I'll probably never know.

Liam Byrne

EI_Flyboy wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I don't care what apologists categorise me as, to be honest, because their opinion has no bearing on reality if the above is anything to go by.

But before I add you to the ignore list, I would love to hear your definition of "other side"

I'm glad I don't share your reality as I'm sure it's a very ugly and unhappy place to be, no subtle shades of colour but all just stark black and white and everyone is incapable of understanding that there's always two sides to a story if not three.

I'd be proud to be on your ignore list.

At least I don't accuse people of being similar to murderers for daring to object to needless and wholly avoidable killings.

That's a hell of a lot brighter outlook than going around insulting and slandering people who object to crimes.

You do know that paedophiles don't see their actions as crimes either, right ?

So should we not object to them either ?

Alopex

Interesting topic but I don't think it applies to this job. If he gets either side of the border investment he'll be applauded.

The real fun will start if NI drop the corporation tax and multinationals in the south decide to move north en masse to take advantage of lower costs.

Then Sinn Fein will have a huge dilemma because they'll have to risk losing votes on one side of the border depending on how they react to it.

drunkmonkey

Liam Byrne wrote: »

And do I need to remind anyone about the IRA thugs that brought their so-called "war" to a village street in Limerick ?

Your adamant that Mc Guinness had a part in that, why was he never questioned? You've 0 proof and neither does anyone else. Your basing that assumption on something that happened less than 12mts before he was elected MP for mid ulster.
I think he had no part in killing Jerry Mc Cabe. It's a tight circle and would presume he knew shortly after the incident along with senior Garda. Gerry Adams said the bank raid was not authorised by senior members of the Army council which would have included McGuinness if he was still serving at the time.

Liam Byrne

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

And do I need to remind anyone about the IRA thugs that brought their so-called "war" to a village street in Limerick ?

Your adamant that Mc Guinness had a part in that

Where did I claim that ? I was replying to someone who was talking about the IRA in general.

realdanbreen

Its interesting when McGuinness boasts about how well he gets on with Paisley & Robinson. Is it just a coincidence that he has a lot in common with bigots and extremists?

EI_Flyboy

Liam Byrne wrote: »

At least I don't accuse people of being similar to murderers for daring to object to needless and wholly avoidable killings.

That's a hell of a lot brighter outlook than going around insulting and slandering people who object to crimes.

You do know that paedophiles don't see their actions as crimes either, right ?

So should we not object to them either ?

You're kidding, right!?! Have you ever heard of a straw man...?

Alopex

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think he had no part in killing Jerry Mc Cabe. It's a tight circle and would presume he knew shortly after the incident along with senior Garda. Gerry Adams said the bank raid was not authorised by senior members of the Army council which would have included McGuinness if he was still serving at the time.

Oh right. Gerry said it didn't happen. That's alright then. As leader of the provisional republican movement there is of course no reason to suspect he would be in any way inclined to lie, in order to defend said movement.

guitarzero

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Will MMcg have a dilemma when it comes to bringing jobs to the republic of Ireland? All his speeches seem to be centered on the fact that he wants to be president of a 32 county country. He highlights how he brought jobs to Ireland all of which are in the north.

So my question is will mmcg devote his full time and effort to bringing jobs to the republic? While i agree that a 32 county country would be great, I want a president to devote all his time to the 26 counties.

Yea, no offence but thats a pretty useless pitch. Either you've truly bought into the whole jobs thing which a president will have so little in influencing. Or, you just want to incite republicans.

Pompey Magnus

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Yeah, sure :rolleyes: Objecting consistently to murder of innocents is just as bad as murdering them

Way to completely misrepresent his point. He was obviously saying that your blind hatred of Northern Irish Republicanism causes you to have a ridiculously simplistic attitude to the struggle in Northern Ireland.

There are certain people who believe the PIRA could do no wrong, that they were valiant heroes to a man and all that they did was for the greater good and completely justifiable. Then there are others who believe the PIRA to be pure, unadulterated evil and all that they did was reprehensible and completely indefensible. Both attitudes are simplistic to the point of being ridiculous. Some on Boards fall into the former catagory, you (and a few others here) seem to fall nicely into the latter.

The complete lack of effort from both of these sides to properly understand events in Northern Ireland just becomes tiresome and frustrating after a while. As far as I'm concerned there were indeed acts of senseless violence carried out by both Republicans and Loyalists, there were psychopathic killers on both these sides. At the same time however there were acts of violence which were understandable and defensible from both sides, the simple fact that a man may have participated in these acts does not automatically make him bad or evil by my reckoning. There was also indefensible acts which, with a bit of effort to understand the context, can be understood but not condoned.

It might be easier living in a black and white world, however as far as I'm concerned all that does nothing but drags society backwards.