Whats the worst Divine Liturgy ( Mass ) you ever attended?

Onesimus

As the title asks I dont think there is a need to repeat myself here.

But to be more specific it could be the homily, sacrilige by either priests or deacons or whatever it may be it can be any part of the mass. But what really was the worst Catholic Mass you've ever ''attended'' Note that this is not about the worst you have SEEN but that you have PERSONALLY attended.

You may include what measures you took to ensure it wouldnt happen again.

Keaton

A talking duck. On the altar during Mass.

I couldn't do anything about the duck since I never saw him again. It wasn't Orville. If it was him, I could have dealt with it. I'd have told him that Mass was not the place to make a public spectacle.

cybercellesta

I attend the Galway Solemn Novena every year, and there was one particular session that was for children, which I avoid because of the clamor! Barney among others were in attendance! Link below to see fotos.

http://www.pbase.com/michaelmccloskey/galway_novena

Onesimus

Wow. Truly awful. My prayers go out for them parishes who suffer like that under the hands of modernists.

gimmebroadband

Those pictures show how far removed some have become from the real purpose of the Holy Mass!

Newsite

That's a social club, right there.

Keaton

Newsite wrote: »

That's a social club, right there.

And a pretty dismal one at that.

PDN

Keaton wrote: »

And a pretty dismal one at that.

That's not even the real Barney - it's a man in a suit!

neuro-praxis

Don't you ever get sick of moaning? What a pious, uppity thread.

gimmebroadband

neuro-praxis wrote: »

Don't you ever get sick of moaning? What a pious, uppity thread.

Why bother trawling in here if it bother's you?

neuro-praxis

gimmebroadband wrote: »

Why bother trawling in here if it bother's you?

Morbid curiosity I suppose. Or perhaps in some twisted sense I enjoy becoming depressed at the judgy attitudes of the Irish faithful!

Keaton

neuro-praxis wrote: »

Morbid curiosity I suppose. Or perhaps in some twisted sense I enjoy becoming depressed at the judgy attitudes of the Irish faithful!

Catholics believe that their Liturgy ought to be beautiful and reverent and sacred, given that it is a participation in the Divine Liturgy in heaven. We are right to call out those priests who make of the Mass a cheap imitation of what the world has to offer as opposed to what the Mass is supposed to be.

Newsite

neuro-praxis wrote: »

Morbid curiosity I suppose. Or perhaps in some twisted sense I enjoy becoming depressed at the judgy attitudes of the Irish faithful!

Depressed? On the contrary, you should be glad that there are people who call this out for what it is! - a complete sham.

Onesimus

neuro-praxis wrote: »

Morbid curiosity I suppose. Or perhaps in some twisted sense I enjoy becoming depressed at the judgy attitudes of the Irish faithful!

Not judging them personally just judging their actions ( which we are permitted to do ) to be contrary to the whole function of the Mass to be contradictory of what we are supposed to have been given.

What would you do if you walked into a chinese shop that prides themselves quite clearly in their advertisements that they sell only authentic chinese food, and then to look at their menu and it say: ''Irish stew''.?

neuro-praxis

Comparing the church to a supermarket selling the wrong products. Wow!

PatricaMcKay2

neuro-praxis wrote: »

Comparing the church to a supermarket selling the wrong products. Wow!

I think its modernists who are treating the Church as if it was a supermarket to be honest...And Im not a Romanist.

Why not the old Roman missal in English?

Onesimus

neuro-praxis wrote: »

Comparing the church to a supermarket selling the wrong products. Wow!

It's not the Church I'm comparing to the supermarket its the ideas of the modernists and liberals who are within her and not obeying her precepts and Dogma.

Why do you care anyway?

lmaopml

When we go to Church and hear the Liturgy, Catholics experience a meeting with the past and present and also the ancient. It's not meant to be like stepping into a modern status quo, but moreso a stepping 'out' of the noise of life, a quiet time with God, while the noise continues outside - there is a refuge in the cross on the steeple. No matter where anybody is, they have a home when they view the skyline and see it..


That's the relevance of the first footsteps in the door of the Catholic church - it's not modern, or any other 'name' you could assign, it's quite simply not only God as omniscient, which of course God is, but God like your Dad or the ultimate Father, right there that you are paying a personal visit to in person with person - somewhere you may decide to light a candle or say a prayer, but ultimately lay your cross on the alter, all the doubts and fears, everything is left there, and heard and the burden is lightened, or accepted, or fought..but the visit happens, and God knows it.

The Quadratic Equation

I'm sick of the "Father Trendy" types, the tambourine and guitar types, and their "entertainment" add ons, and their bit parts for fellow attention seeking laity. Pity they would not put half the effort they put into the add on rubbish into their homilies.

cybercellesta

The Pope would have to step in and bring those maverick priests who don't stick to the ruberics of the Holy Mass into line.

Keylem

How well do you know the Mass, and would you be able to notice abuses! A Link to Q/A to put you in the know.

neuro-praxis

Onesimus wrote: »

It's not the Church I'm comparing to the supermarket its the ideas of the modernists and liberals who are within her and not obeying her precepts and Dogma.

Why do you care anyway?

I care because I am suggesting that the poisons that afflict the church are in the hearts of those who complain non-stop about others and judge themselves as true believers and everyone else as damned liberals.

It is possible to form a constructive critique of liturgy but the very question "What's the worse Mass you ever attended?" sets the tone as self-righteous. Makes me feel ill.

Onesimus

neuro-praxis wrote: »

I care because I am suggesting that the poisons that afflict the church are in the hearts of those who complain non-stop about others and judge themselves as true believers and everyone else as damned liberals.

It is possible to form a constructive critique of liturgy but the very question "What's the worse Mass you ever attended?" sets the tone as self-righteous. Makes me feel ill.

Yeah I'll stand up and say I know my faith and what I see at mass that contradicts it isnt the faith end of story whats wrong with that?

I'd agree that although I accept the precepts of the Church obeying them is an ongoing struggle in my daily life and I'm grateful for Gods sacrament of confession in which I'm given the chance to work as hard as I can to obey his law of freedom and love.

I'm not critqing the Mass itself I'm critiqing the celebration of it that is contrary to what we are taught to believe.

I never did it or stated I did it with a self righteous motive thats one you assumed for yourself upon the basis of reading my post.

The Quadratic Equation

neuro-praxis wrote: »

I care because I am suggesting that the poisons that afflict the church are in the hearts of those who complain non-stop about others and judge themselves as true believers and everyone else as damned liberals.

It is possible to form a constructive critique of liturgy but the very question "What's the worse Mass you ever attended?" sets the tone as self-righteous. Makes me feel ill.

If you judge yourself by your own standards, then your post is just as guilty of being as self rightous as anything in the OP.

Newsite

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

If you judge yourself by your own standards, then your post is just as guilty of being as self rightous as anything in the OP.

Neuro-praxis, you're yet another in a long line of victims falling into that trap of judging in your rush to condemn the 'judgment' of others! ;-)

'How dare you be so self-righteous'!!

neuro-praxis

Yes. How dare I. Well done everyone.

Newsite

neuro-praxis wrote: »

Yes. How dare I. Well done everyone.

I'm not saying 'how dare you be self-righteous' - I was using that to demonstrate the point!!

zoomtard

This thread is brilliant craic. I too hate when the church doesn't meet my particular consumer needs which I have defined so stridently that even the Pope (by his own actions) can't get on board with. My personal holy-roller choo-choo train would be no fun at all if it let people different from me on it!

It's funny how the so called "orthodox" side the Catholic Church in Ireland sounds more schismatic than anyone else...

lmaopml

zoomtard wrote: »

This thread is brilliant craic. I too hate when the church doesn't meet my particular consumer needs which I have defined so stridently that even the Pope (by his own actions) can't get on board with. My personal holy-roller choo-choo train would be no fun at all if it let people different from me on it!

It's funny how the so called "orthodox" side the Catholic Church in Ireland sounds more schismatic than anyone else...

I have a difficulty appreciating people who 'appreciate' a 'form' or an orthodox mass sometimes too.

The most important part to me is the real presense, no matter the surroundings. Essentially, though, I would not like to see it diluted to such an extent that visiting a church becomes a sterile procedure - I appreciate art, the stained glass, the atmosphere, and indeed the liturgy too....

It's all part of stepping into and visiting a familiar home...it's ancient, and it should not be subject to modernising without reflecting on what it means either....The liturgy is really beautiful, I don't blame people loving it's form. It's universally understood too for so many...

PatricaMcKay2

zoomtard wrote: »

It's funny how the so called "orthodox" side the Catholic Church in Ireland sounds more schismatic than anyone else...

If someone is willfully stupid enough to go to a Communion liturgy where the words of the Lord are deliberately changed from "many" to "all" than it would be hard not to believe that they are in schism from Christ, which is a lot more worrying than being in schism from the Pope of Rome. Whatever I may think of RC traditionalists at least they show some concern for the Glory of God and their own souls.

lmaopml

What is the liturgy in your church Patricia, are many called but few are chosen? Is Christ actually present in body spirit and divinity in the Eucharist?

'Many' is rather ambiguous, since God's grace extends to all who seek - rather few attend that 'could' attend, but 'many' do, and sometimes 'all' - but few are chosen. It seems a little petty to be honest in the bigger scheme of things..to think this is a negative. To say 'Many' are called implies that only 'some' are....an elect of which few are chosen. God calls everybody equally - there is no inequality in the pew kneeling, sitting, praying or attending a Catholic mass. We all submit, nobody is 'better' than the person passing by outside..

PatricaMcKay2

lmaopml wrote: »

What is the liturgy in your church Patricia, are many called but few are chosen? Is Christ actually present in body spirit and divinity in the Eucharist?

'Many' is rather ambiguous, since God's grace extends to all who seek - rather few attend that 'could' attend, but 'many' do, and sometimes 'all' - but few are chosen. It seems a little petty to be honest in the bigger scheme of things..to think this is a negative. To say 'Many' are called implies that only 'some' are....an elect of which few are chosen. God calls everybody equally - there is no inequality in the pew kneeling, sitting, praying or attending a Catholic mass. We all submit, nobody is 'better' than the person passing by outside..

I go the Church of Ireland, which doesnt change the words of the Lord, despite their many faults.

The fact the Lord used the word for many and not all was and IS His business.

According to the council of Trent a consecration without the words of the Lord is invalid, and certainly by Divine Law it is blasemphous...it took immesne breathe taking arrogance to change the words.

Anyway not all are saved and God knows from all eternity who will be saved.

lmaopml

Of course he does, and he entrusted his Church to interpret his word in humility and not as a 'guarantee'...to the many, or 'all' who attend, without a reminder of their son and daughership that is equal to every single person everywhere. Nobody knows their fate- we trust, we hope, we love, we presume nothing exept love in return - nothing else. If the Church decided to interpret the word that all are called but few are chosen, it was most likely to be inclusive of the 'few'...

The Church of Ireland is very orthodox too - I have no opinon really on their liturgy since I attend another - I don't think I am better, or that God will see me as such, I can't afford to - I've learned that from my Catholic background.

PatricaMcKay2

lmaopml wrote: »

Of course he does, and he entrusted his Church to interpret his word in humility and not as a 'guarantee'...to the many, or 'all' who attend, without a reminder of their son and daughership that is equal to every single person everywhere. Nobody knows their fate- we trust, we hope, we love, we presume nothing exept love in return - nothing else. If the Church decided to interpret the word that all are called but few are chosen, it was most likely to be inclusive of the 'few'...

The Church of Ireland is very orthodox too - I have no opinon really on their liturgy since I attend another - I don't think I am better, or that God will see me as such, I can't afford to - I've learned that from my Catholic background.

Neither the Uniates or the SSPX and other Latin Roman Catholics change the words of the Lord. The words of the Lord are in stone, both in the Bible, and if you are a Roman Catholic in the Council of Trent- so priests and Bishops are NOT at liberty to change them- to say that they do is make authority out and out arbitery; where does that lead? If the local Bishop decides that he will add an invocation to Baal into the Mass should that also be accepted? And if not where does the authority to changes things stop?

PatricaMcKay2

In fairness the actual official text of the Novus Ordo Missae does contain a change in the words of the Lord, that was done to Bishops in Ireland, England and the USA.

looksee

Going back to the original question - my wedding.

It was not in Ireland, but it was an Irish order and Irish priests. And in fairness it was a long time ago. Because I was not a Catholic (though baptised and a churchgoer) we were not allowed a mass, flowers, music, exchange of rings (I got one, he didn't) and the priest rattled through the entire service in 10 minutes - I couldn't keep up with the Lord's prayer - including signing the register.

PatricaMcKay2

looksee wrote: »

Going back to the original question - my wedding.

It was not in Ireland, but it was an Irish order and Irish priests. And in fairness it was a long time ago. Because I was not a Catholic (though baptised and a churchgoer) we were not allowed a mass, flowers, music, exchange of rings (I got one, he didn't) and the priest rattled through the entire service in 10 minutes - I couldn't keep up with the Lord's prayer - including signing the register.

I dont want to make cheap of the way you were treated but I think your problem arose right there.

Onesimus

looksee wrote: »

Going back to the original question - my wedding.

It was not in Ireland, but it was an Irish order and Irish priests. And in fairness it was a long time ago. Because I was not a Catholic (though baptised and a churchgoer) we were not allowed a mass, flowers, music, exchange of rings (I got one, he didn't) and the priest rattled through the entire service in 10 minutes - I couldn't keep up with the Lord's prayer - including signing the register.

Thanks for keeping on topic.

Wow! thats truly terrible I'm sorry you had to experience that, everyones wedding is supposed to be special to them and it sounds like they ruined the best day of your life. Such a tragedy is that.

All my prayers and best

Onesimus