Donald's kick was wide...

Downlinz

My gut is still saying wide though you'd really need to see a higher quality shot than that youtube video to be conclusive.

http://img.imgcake.com/kick1jpgyr.jpg

This is an early point of the kick and you can see its on course for being well off the target.

http://img.imgcake.com/kick2jpggy.jpg

Here its curling in and its not clear with the poor quality if the ball is in front of the posts or behind it. Seeing it in realtime and considering the trajectory of the ball it would appear behind but hard to tell on a still.

http://img.imgcake.com/kick3jpgas.jpg

This is just after the ball crosses the line of the post. Again hard to tell if its in front or behind.

http://img.imgcake.com/kick4jpghy.jpg

This is in between those two shots where I can't actually identify the ball at all. Its either behind the posts or blended in perfectly with the post in front of it, most likely the former.

danthefan

And yet no French player protests or in any way indicates the kick missed.

Risteard

My first impression was that it was over, just about.

MungBean

Four French players on the outside of the posts staring up with a good view, one of them would have protested if there was any doubt.

Downlinz

danthefan wrote: »

And yet no French player protests or in any way indicates the kick missed.

There were other incorrect decisions made throughout the game which weren't protested by the French. They seemed resigned to not contesting decisions with the officials.

Although its very hard to tell from the camera angle we had either way, will be interesting to see if there were any crowd cameras from a different angle.

poppers

my first impression was it was missed. dont remember seeing a replay of the kick just donald turning away when he kicked it.

MungBean

Downlinz wrote: »

There were other incorrect decisions made throughout the game which weren't protested by the French. They seemed resigned to not contesting decisions with the officials.

Although its very hard to tell from the camera angle we had either way, will be interesting to see if there were any crowd cameras from a different angle.

A debatable kick can be brought to the tmo to be questioned though, other decisions cant. If the French thought it was wide and the tmo would see it then they would have contested it.

decisions

If it was wide the french would have protested.

And both touch judges are top refs and in the past when they were in doubt they have gone up to the TMO. I think in a WC Final if it were in any doubt they would have gone upstairs.

danthefan

Downlinz wrote: »

There were other incorrect decisions made throughout the game which weren't protested by the French. They seemed resigned to not contesting decisions with the officials.

Although its very hard to tell from the camera angle we had either way, will be interesting to see if there were any crowd cameras from a different angle.

Are you honestly trying to suggest Dusautoir would not have asked the ref to go to the TMO if he thought the kick missed? Honestly...

highfield90

If you're looking for a conspiracy then question why there was no replay of McCaw's knee on Parra.

REDWEB

Being the kick that secured the points that won the WC for NZ I would expect this kick to be replayed ad infinitum from various angles over the coming days, wouldn't you?

...wouldn't you?

Unless...

ScissorPaperRock

My first reaction was that it was wide, was pretty surprised when it was given.

durkadurka

Perhaps one of you folks could embed this for me. Looks wide to me.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD79angquus&feature=youtube_gdata_player

REDWEB

I'm sure the camera angle from behind the posts will clear this up definitively and allow me to remove my tinfoil hat. Anyone got a link?

ROCKMAN

durkadurka wrote: »

Perhaps one of you folks could embed this for me. Looks wide to me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD79angquus&feature=youtube_gdata_player

on a tv screen :rolleyes: When count them 10 ,,10 french players in the clip are watching it and not one reacts in any way ,they all just turn and run back out....hmmmm

durkadurka

ROCKMAN wrote: »

on a tv screen :rolleyes: When count them 10 ,,10 french players in the clip are watching it and not one reacts in any way ,they all just turn and run back out....hmmmm

It's a fair point, all I'm saying is that it looks wide.

danthefan

durkadurka wrote: »

It's a fair point, all I'm saying is that it looks wide.

I think it's a fair point to say it looks wide, however weighing up other factors I think it's a much fairer point to say it was not wide.

REDWEB

ROCKMAN wrote: »

on a tv screen :rolleyes: When count them 10 ,,10 french players in the clip are watching it and not one reacts in any way ,they all just turn and run back out....hmmmm

Maybe they are in on it too What "it" is though, I have no idea!

99.99% in favour of it having gone over but would like to see it from behind posts too. Just because, you know...;)

Bigcheeze

As the ball pasts the post, it definitely looks like it goes behind the post so
I think it's wide. I thought it was wide in real time too.

fryup

well in this day and age i'm sure someone out there has a "Definite" pic of the moment the ball passed the post....that way we can see if it was in or out

personally speaking whilst watching this morning i thought it was just wide and as others have mentioned..how come no replay? they nearly always show an instant replay

Fits Morris

I recorded the match on the TV and have watched it back. It was very close but definitely over. Believe me I wanted nothing more than to see the ball disappear behind that post and be proved wide.

iroced

fryup wrote: »

personally speaking whilst watching this morning i thought it was just wide and as others have mentioned..how come no replay? they nearly always show an instant replay

I feel the same. Though, not a single sign of protest from any of our players. I'd like to ask them

Liam90

The camera was looking at the posts from an angle, putting the tv viewers in no position to say it was wide. The best view was seen by the touch judges and the french players and they all seen it go over.

Downlinz

Did we actually get a camera shot of the french team after the kick? Is it known the French didn't appeal to Joubert or is it just assumed because we weren't shown anything.

Daroxtar

highfield90 wrote: »

If you're looking for a conspiracy then question why there was no replay of McCaw's knee on Parra.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGzg1heE4k0

fryup

this is more intriguing than JFK and 9/11:)

CatFromHue

Punch? Really?
I don't think so, even the knee was accidental!

decisions

Conspiracy Theories forum that way

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Downlinz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lyvZ4fRAAc&feature=player_embedded

Another video. If you pause at 0:25 the ball even more clearly escapes behind view of the post.

danthefan

Downlinz wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lyvZ4fRAAc&feature=player_embedded

Another video. If you pause at 0:25 the ball even more clearly escapes behind view of the post.

That video blatantly shows the ball inside the post. He scored.

Fishooks12

danthefan wrote: »

That video blatantly shows the ball inside the post. He scored.

Surprised there's even discussion on this, ball clearly went over

REDWEB

This would be easily put to bed if we can see a camera angle from behind the posts. I find it hard to believe that Eden Park does not have such cameras operating. Rabo12 grounds have these.

Why aren't the points that won the WC for NZ not shown being scored from more than one bad angle?

fryup

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Surprised there's even discussion on this, ball clearly went over

wah ....maybe he did score but "clearly" isn't a word i would use

Fishooks12

fryup wrote: »

wah ....maybe he did score but "clearly" isn't a word i would use

The original replay shown during the match clearly showed the ball going inside the post

Clear for me, clear for the touch judges, and judging by the French players (who were under the post) lack of protest, clear for them

pickarooney

Has anyone seen a replay of Yachvili's missed penalty? Did it drop short or drift wide right?

MyKeyG

My first reaction was that it just snuck in. In that video it does look wide!

Downlinz

danthefan wrote: »

That video blatantly shows the ball inside the post. He scored.

Pause it and show me a screenshot of the ball overlapping the front of the posts. If you can see this you must surely be able to freeze it at this moment and post it for the rest of us.

danthefan

pickarooney wrote: »

Has anyone seen a replay of Yachvili's missed penalty? Did it drop short or drift wide right?

Drifted wide, the NZ player caught it behind the goal line.

Fishooks12

pickarooney wrote: »

Has anyone seen a replay of Yachvili's missed penalty? Did it drop short or drift wide right?

drifted wide

he didn't seem to hit it with any conviction though, it was almost like he was trying to chip it over the bar

.ak

Do be honest, there's plenty of cause for the players on the pitch not to see it either. The speed of the ball, how close it is to the post, etc., etc. Looks wide to me, but I wouldn't be able to tell without different views.

.ak

One thing is for sure, it's not "CLEAR" to anyone when a ball is that close to the posts. But more to the point, on TV there is some doubt (hence the discussion), so why didn't the broadcasters re-show it?

PJ Maybe

It's difficult to make out but it was inside the posts. Both the French players and the assistant referees were in a good spot to see it. Better quality video below, if you play it at full screen, pause it and skip through frame by frame you should see it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Pzsfc2OTs

danthefan

Decent quality video there, no doubt at all in my mind it was over.

Chavways

They should just make the ball blue or black to get rid of all these stupid conspiracy theories.

.ak

PJ Maybe wrote: »

It's difficult to make out but it was inside the posts. Both the French players and the assistant referees were in a good spot to see it. Better quality video below, if you play it at full screen, pause it and skip through frame by frame you should see it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Pzsfc2OTs

Hrmm, with this video if you put it in HD, and pause on the moment it goes past the post, and zoom in you can't see the ball... I can't anyhow. It's wide if you go on that video. But then it could be an optical illusion as the ball is white and so are the posts and the video will only be so clear. There's gotta be other angles.. Why weren't they shown on the match day? They always re-show tight shots from other angles.... Weird.

.ak

Here's a screenshot of what I saw. I'm totally open to correction, but in this screen grab you can clearly see the ball is behind the post, you can see the edge of the ball sticking out, and the post clearly obstructing view... Wide, no?

Screen shot 2011-10-23 at 17.26.38.jpg

P.S: Yes, I'm a mac n00b and didn't know how to print screen.

JustinDee

Kick was fine. Hugged the upright but thats about it really.

CatFromHue

.ak wrote: »

Here's a screenshot of what I saw. I'm totally open to correction, but in this screen grab you can clearly see the ball is behind the post, you can see the edge of the ball sticking out, and the post clearly obstructing view... Wide, no?

Screen shot 2011-10-23 at 17.26.38.jpg

P.S: Yes, I'm a mac n00b and didn't know how to print screen.

Far to blurry to make anything out. If anything all I see in that pic is the face of a Kerry Blue standing behind a bar.

DB21

Just after watching the youtube link there in HD Full screen. I think that was wide.

.ak

CatFromHue wrote: »

Far to blurry to make anything out. If anything all I see in that pic is the face of a Kerry Blue standing behind a bar.

Hahah true. Like I said, I'm open to anything, and the pic/video zoomed in is obviously too blurry to say for certain, but based on what I can see I'm 60% sure it went wide.

wixfjord

.ak wrote: »

Here's a screenshot of what I saw. I'm totally open to correction, but in this screen grab you can clearly see the ball is behind the post, you can see the edge of the ball sticking out, and the post clearly obstructing view... Wide, no?

Screen shot 2011-10-23 at 17.26.38.jpg

P.S: Yes, I'm a mac n00b and didn't know how to print screen.

Mac eh? Niceeeeee