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Will all anti Gallagher voters now need to vote for Higgins?

  • 23-10-2011 4:55am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭


    With SG at 40% will all who don't favour him be forced to vote for MDH now?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,580 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    This is the beauty of single transferable vote - you can vote for whoever you want and then transfer to your next least unacceptable candidate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭chughes


    I was going to just vote for David Norris but it looks now like it will have to be Norris 1 and Higgins 2.

    He can deny it all he likes but Gallagher is still part of the FF gene pool.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    chughes wrote: »
    I was going to just vote for David Norris but it looks now like it will have to be Norris 1 and Higgins 2.

    He can deny it all he likes but Gallagher is still part of the FF gene pool.
    That'll be my vote too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    chughes wrote: »

    He can deny it all he likes but Gallagher is still part of the FF gene pool.

    This is what happens with the agenda against SG.

    He has'nt denied at all that he is from the "FF gene pool".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    the SG surge is truly shocking.

    And it's because of his FF links - his % share rose in tandem with the mention of his FF connections. A nobody with 5 or 6 years 'riding on the boom' experience.
    What a country.


    Anyway, does anyone know exactly how the transfers will work in this case?

    In a GE some transfers are lost - they become inert.

    But anyone with actual knowledge know how it will work here?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭The Volt


    If that gap actually transpires on election day then no amount of transfers will put MDH in front of him. 14% is probably about 350,000 votes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭tonycascarino


    I always wonder if these so called ''polls'' are fabricated to try an influence the voter & if not then what sort of individuals do they ask?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    I always wonder if these so called ''polls'' are fabricated to try an influence the voter & if not then what sort of individuals do they ask?
    Well I'd say they're legit alright. And by nature have to pool a wide sample.

    You see, there's a whole world out there that havent heard of the 'internets' and only vaguely heard of stuff outside their immediate world.
    and quite a number who feel guilty for shafting FF and now see an opportunity to apologise by voting Gallagher. ('shure we'll give them the presidency, they deserve that much)

    Problem is SG is not - as an individual - up to the task of president*.

    But shure he's the closest thing to FF without actually being it. (in theory)

    Sad, sad, state of affairs.

    *by that I mean knowledge of international affairs, and law, both Irish and international. And also SG's lack of political skill/ experience. yes, all necessary for this particular job. I reckon SG thought he'd get a bit of profile out of this and then go for a seat next time round. not in his wildest dreams did he think he would awaken the sleeping FF beast


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,601 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    I always wonder if these so called ''polls'' are fabricated to try an influence the voter & if not then what sort of individuals do they ask?

    RedC polls are highly scientific and methodological - they usually are pretty accurate. The poll includes a core sample group which is representative of the electorate as a whole.

    Now if you were talking about Phantom Research (Quantum Research) that would be an entirely different story altogether. Those polls are probably just a quick survey of how those in the Irish Independent offices are voting - basically those dodgy polls are really the tools of journalists and reflect what they what to write about. Would probably have Higgins on 70%. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    When I heard the Red C poll I got a little bit of sick in my mouth.

    Happy to be emigrating if this comes to pass; I'll expect FF in Govt in less than ten years.

    Lessons learned = 0


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    MadsL wrote: »
    When I heard the Red C poll I got a little bit of sick in my mouth.

    Happy to be emigrating if this comes to pass; I'll expect FF in Govt in less than ten years.

    Lessons learned = 0
    Gallagher I could deal with. Gallagher + a yes on 29 and 30; I may be considering the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    MadsL wrote: »
    When I heard the Red C poll I got a little bit of sick in my mouth.

    Happy to be emigrating if this comes to pass; I'll expect FF in Govt in less than ten years.

    Lessons learned = 0

    I do not understand this type of anti- patriotism stating how great it would be to emigrate. If your country means that little to you then why would it matter?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    Gallagher I could deal with. Gallagher + a yes on 29 and 30; I may be considering the same.

    I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on Gallagher FreudianSlippers, have you outlined it somewhere?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on Gallagher FreudianSlippers, have you outlined it somewhere?!
    I just don't like him. I find him extraordinarily disingenuous and I don't like his policy/views on most things.

    I'd have a lot more respect for him if he was more open and honest about the FF connection in recent times; I'm not one of the ones that is really freaking out about whether or not he is still a member - I couldn't care less as I don't believe in party politics anyway, I just vote for who I like.

    I don't like Gallagher :D I should also say I don't buy his whole "expert businessman" angle and I don't think he really understand the role of president. I've found him to be one of the most underwhelming of the candidates as well. Of course, he's still higher in my book than Dana, Davis and McGuinness.


    Plus, he looks slightly like a big baby :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭parrai


    I always wonder if these so called ''polls'' are fabricated to try an influence the voter & if not then what sort of individuals do they ask?

    RedC polls are highly scientific and methodological - they usually are pretty accurate. The poll includes a core sample group which is representative of the electorate as a whole.

    Now if you were talking about Phantom Research (Quantum Research) that would be an entirely different story altogether. Those polls are probably just a quick survey of how those in the Irish Independent offices are voting - basically those dodgy polls are really the tools of journalists and reflect what they what to write about. Would probably have Higgins on 70%. ;)

    Not taking away from your point...

    It would be interesting to see a comparison between past polls and their actual results in terms of how accurate they are...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    I do not understand this type of anti- patriotism stating how great it would be to emigrate. If your country means that little to you then why would it matter?

    Anti-patriotism? Would like to see a place you love go to the dogs? FFailure have dragged us into the knacker's yard, who are the real anti-patriots?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    The problem with polls for both McGuinness and Gallagher is that geographically when provinces are polled if the numbers polled per province are equal they are going to appear to have a much higher % of the vote in the case of Ulster with only 3 counties compared to Leinster with 11+Dublin and most will vote for Dana, Gallagher or mad dog McGuinness.

    The Ulster counties should not be counted to get an overall % for the country as they are going to skew the results in favour of the Ulster candidates who may have much less support elsewhere in the country.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,601 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    parrai wrote: »
    Not taking away from your point...

    It would be interesting to see a comparison between past polls and their actual results in terms of how accurate they are...

    They were pretty spot on with the General Election, with all actual election figures within the margin of error of the last opinion poll of the General Election. The last poll had FF on 15%, with the party securing 17% on the day of the election. SF were predicted to get 10% and the party got 9.9%. Labour were predicted to get 18% and ended up getting 19%. FG were predicted to get 39% although they actually polled 36% on the day which was the largest discrepancy in the polling - but that was believed to have been down to a drop in support for FG between the polling and the actual election, due to the attacks FG started to recieve from Labour in relation to preventing FG securing an overall majority (which the last poll had flagged).

    RedC also predicted a turnout of over 65% and the turnout on the day was 70%.

    So yes, as you can see they are usually pretty spot on when you take the 3% margin of error into account. So the likelihood is that Gallagher does stand at around 40% today and is likely to win the election so long as there is not a massive twindling of support by Thursday, which may be possible - but unlikely!

    foggy_lad wrote: »
    The problem with polls for both McGuinness and Gallagher is that geographically when provinces are polled if the numbers polled per province are equal they are going to appear to have a much higher % of the vote in the case of Ulster with only 3 counties compared to Leinster with 11+Dublin and most will vote for Dana, Gallagher or mad dog McGuinness.

    The Ulster counties should not be counted to get an overall % for the country as they are going to skew the results in favour of the Ulster candidates who may have much less support elsewhere in the country.

    Geographical discrepancies are taken into account when polling actually occurs - helping prevent the polls (hopefully) from being skewed.

    This is a professional company we are talking about here ... have a read of this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    With SG at 40% will all who don't favour him be forced to vote for MDH now?

    No just make sure you're giving MDH a preference ahead of Gallagher and you're doing your bit to keep Gallagher out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Doirtybirdy


    Roughly half the SG vote in that poll is the hardcore FF vote.
    Another 10% are representative of the poor choice and the soft FF vote.

    The soft FF vote are the formerly strong FF voters who cried their way into the ballot box last february to vote against FF or who lent FG their vote for the very first time with a heavy heart following the FF green disastrous government.

    This is strong evidence in my opinion that a core ff vote of around 30% is out there,bewildered but out there and they will vote ff again.

    There are enough anti FF voters to keep SG out of the park if they use pr properly.
    Proof of that is in how mary robinson won against a core 40% FF vote back in the day.

    Realistically it's between Michael D now and SG.
    So supporters of other parties/persons should give Mdh a number 2,if they don't want SG in.
    It's called tactical voting.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭krd


    I've done the phone polling.

    I'm really not surprised with any result they get. Sometimes the polling companies will cheat, if they think the client wants a particular result. You have to remember - for many people perception is reality. When they ask a question, they don't want the truthful answer. They want to hear the answer they want. And they'll hold you personally responsible if you don't give them that answer.

    The average person is not that bright. It's not something particular to Ireland. The average person everywhere has the same IQ as the average 12 year-old. It's an unfortunate fact. The average person is a thick child.

    Gallagher's lead isn't really down to the Fianna Fail element - either way.

    He appeals to the thick children.

    To the thick children, all the other candidates come across as haughty school teachers. They like Sean, because he seems more like them. He's "no nonsense". He's "down to earth" - he doesn't have his head up in the air big fancy words and ideas. Crucially. He doesn't make them feel stoopid.

    The thick children believe what they see on television. They watch shows like The Dragon's Den, drooling like idiots, believing it's reality - when it's complete fiction. Sean Gallagher was never a high-roller in the Irish business world. He was no business genius - or investment expert. But the thicks saw him on television in his business suit talking blather and they believe - they want to believe.

    The thicks like him - and want to believe everything he says is true. They even like a like a little bullshish.

    Once the thick children have an idea in their heads, it's very hard to shake it out. They reinforce it with fantasy (In their imaginations they're all hot shot business managers and television celebrities - "no nonsense" television celebrities - Irish versions of JR Ewing - millinaires who struck turf on their daddies land). The Independent finally gets around to examining Gallagher - and all his little stories of buying the farm by himself when he was 21, the poor performance of his business, the unhappy investors, the snaffling down government grants as pay, etc. The thicks dismiss that - it's not what they want to hear or believe.

    Fianna Fail have always been acutely aware of the thick factor. That's why in rural Ireland they're careful to make sure their candidates always seem backward and stupid. It's why Jackie Healy Rae puts on that act.

    It's the same reason George W Bush was elected and re-elected. Even though he was thick a pig shish.

    He even used to do the American culchie act - marchin' around his Texas ranch in his cowboy hat and wellington boots.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    And you consider yourself above average I suppose?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭latenia


    krd wrote: »
    Gallagher's lead isn't really down to the Fianna Fail element - either way.

    He appeals to the thick children.

    To the thick children, all the other candidates come across as haughty school teachers. They like Sean, because he seems more like them. He's "no nonsense". He's "down to earth" - he doesn't have his head up in the air big fancy words and ideas. Crucially. He doesn't make them feel stoopid.

    The thick children believe what they see on television. They watch shows like The Dragon's Den, drooling like idiots, believing it's reality - when it's complete fiction. Sean Gallagher was never a high-roller in the Irish business world. He was no business genius - or investment expert. But the thicks saw him on television in his business suit talking blather and they believe - they want to believe.

    The thicks like him - and want to believe everything he says is true. They even like a like a little bullshish.

    You'll probably get a lot of flack for that post but depressingly, it's all true. It's the same element who voted for Mick Wallace because he's 'sound' and will head up to Dublin to fight some imaginary elite.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭celticcrash


    I always wonder if these so called ''polls'' are fabricated to try an influence the voter & if not then what sort of individuals do they ask?
    Smoke and mirrows, The papers tell us its a two man race, Seany G has no hope of getting in. Its to push MMG out of the race and to push the transfares to MDH. Its a political strategy to keep MMG out.
    FF know that SG wont get in, but at least MDH wont up set the appletart.
    FF are playing a protection game.
    Sorry to say in this day and age you cant trust the papers.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭krd


    mikemac wrote: »
    And you consider yourself above average I suppose?



    Mike, because the fact you engage in an intellectual activity like reading and writing on boards, may put you in the above average intelligence bracket. Don't take that as a compliment. It's just the way it is. Many people stop reading and writing once they leave school. Many people struggle to write a few hundred words.

    There's no such thing as average person.

    You're just somewhere on the bell curve

    See

    iq_bell_curve.gif


    Listen, I have done the polling. It was real eye opener. You'd ask someone a question like "which party did you vote for in the last election?"...They'll give an answer like Fianna Fail.....Then you ask them a minute later, which person they voted for, and they give you the name of a Finn Gael candidate.

    But you'd have this nuttiness of people answering a stream of questions with ludicrously contradictory answers. The first time you think they're taking the piss, then it happens again and again, and you realise people have some mangled ideas in their heads.

    Something that's been known since at least the 50s. The average person, surprisingly, has the mentality and intelligence of the average 12 year-old.

    Why this is "surprising", is generally the people who find that factoid out, are more intelligent than the average 12 year-old, and find it surprising the average person is dumber than they thought.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    nesf wrote: »
    No just make sure you're giving MDH a preference ahead of Gallagher and you're doing your bit to keep Gallagher out.
    I'm just not so sure if the PR works that simply.


    Anyone, with real knowledge know exactly how it works?


    have to start a thread methinks.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    ArtSmart wrote: »
    I'm just not so sure if the PR works that simply.


    Anyone, with real knowledge know exactly how it works?


    have to start a thread methinks.

    It is quite simple really. When there can only be one winner there will be a few people under the quota struck off quite quickly, then all the way up to martin. Their second preferences will come into play until it is just Michael D. and SG, then whoever has the most votes - first AND second etc preferences which have been transferred - at the end will be the winner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭Condatis


    With SG at 40% will all who don't favour him be forced to vote for MDH now?

    I have reluctantly come to that conclusion.

    I was going to vote for Mary Davis and then transfer but there is no point in now doing so.

    To stop Gallagher Higgins needs all the # ones that can be mustered.

    Even voting Davis 1 and Higgins 2 will not do the business because my particular # 2 may not figure in the random selection for second count transfers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    Condatis wrote: »
    I have reluctantly come to that conclusion.

    I was going to vote for Mary Davis and then transfer but there is no point in now doing so.

    To stop Gallagher Higgins needs all the # ones that can be mustered.

    Even voting Davis 1 and Higgins 2 will not do the business because my particular # 2 may not figure in the random selection for second count transfers.
    random selection? why random?

    I do agree with the number one thing, because i think so 2nd preferences might be lost, i dont think it'll be as straight forward as some suggest.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    I can't honestly see the Homer Simpson candidate winning it. He simply doesn't have the experience and it will be exposed in the next week. Won't stop him getting the idiotic dragons den vote.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    I'm in complete disbelief about the Sean Gallagher surge. I don't know a single person who doesn't think he's an uninspiring, uncharismatic chancer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    I'm in complete disbelief about the Sean Gallagher surge. I don't know a single person who doesn't think he's an uninspiring, uncharismatic chancer.

    I know one person who said they were voting for him over Higgins because he is positive and doesn't have a squeaky voice.

    I hope the rest of Ireland has better reasons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    just going by another thread, it seems the PR preference thing is vitally important.

    because if SG transfer friendly candidates are eliminated before MDH friendly transfers then SG will win.

    SO VOTE MDH NUMBER ONE AND DONT TAKE CHANCES!!!


    (Unless you prefer SG of course)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,213 ✭✭✭✭therecklessone


    Condatis wrote: »
    I have reluctantly come to that conclusion.

    I was going to vote for Mary Davis and then transfer but there is no point in now doing so.

    To stop Gallagher Higgins needs all the # ones that can be mustered.

    Even voting Davis 1 and Higgins 2 will not do the business because my particular # 2 may not figure in the random selection for second count transfers.

    There will be no random selection for transfer of an excluded candidates votes!
    Exclusion of lowest candidate(s)
    If there is no surplus available or the distribution of a surplus is prohibited, the lowest candidate(s) is/are excluded and his/her/their votes distributed.

    The two or more lowest candidates must be excluded together where it is clear that they will be excluded in turn in any event or where it is clear that they will not qualify to recoup their election expenses or deposit (if applicable) i.e. where the sum of their votes, plus any available surplus(es), is less than the number of votes credited to the next lowest candidate. Where this rule does not apply, the lowest candidate only is excluded. All transferable votes of the excluded candidate(s) are distributed to candidates still in the running in accordance with the next available preferences shown on them. All non-transferable papers of the excluded candidate(s) are set aside and
    designated as “non-transferable papers not effective” because they are no longer credited to any candidate. Any candidate reaching or exceeding the quota following this distribution of votes is deemed elected.

    http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/LocalGovernment/Voting/FileDownLoad,1895,en.pdf

    The only time a question mark may exist over transfer of your vote is when a candidate is elected and their surplus is calculated and votes are physically transferred, but this will not occur in the Presidential election as there is only one seat to fill.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭krd


    thebman wrote: »
    I know one person who said they were voting for him over Higgins because he is positive and doesn't have a squeaky voice.

    because he is positive.............and because he doesn't have a squeaky voice - he has a Nordy Culchie voice.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    Anti-patriotism? Would like to see a place you love go to the dogs? FFailure have dragged us into the knacker's yard, who are the real anti-patriots?

    So what help is a person saying they would emigrate based on the result of a presidential election result. If you consider the country we live in compared with some other places and the elections there then you will see what I mean.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 189 ✭✭Bergkamp 10


    ArtSmart wrote: »
    just going by another thread, it seems the PR preference thing is vitally important.

    because if SG transfer friendly candidates are eliminated before MDH friendly transfers then SG will win.

    SO VOTE MDH NUMBER ONE AND DONT TAKE CHANCES!!!


    (Unless you prefer SG of course)

    Sorry I wont be voting number one for an Ex Fianna Failer, supporter of the current government and numerous banking bills.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭krd


    ArtSmart wrote: »
    random selection? why random?
    .

    Random sampling of votes is used in the general election. I can't remember the precise details.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    thebman wrote: »
    I know one person who said they were voting for him over Higgins because he is positive and doesn't have a squeaky voice.

    I hope the rest of Ireland has better reasons.
    Ah yes He's got the X-Factor and all the younger voters like his mentoring skills(an older conman showing a young fianna failer the ropes).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    krd wrote: »
    I've done the phone polling.

    I'm really not surprised with any result they get. Sometimes the polling companies will cheat, if they think the client wants a particular result. You have to remember - for many people perception is reality. When they ask a question, they don't want the truthful answer. They want to hear the answer they want. And they'll hold you personally responsible if you don't give them that answer.

    The average person is not that bright. It's not something particular to Ireland. The average person everywhere has the same IQ as the average 12 year-old. It's an unfortunate fact. The average person is a thick child.

    Gallagher's lead isn't really down to the Fianna Fail element - either way.

    He appeals to the thick children.

    To the thick children, all the other candidates come across as haughty school teachers. They like Sean, because he seems more like them. He's "no nonsense". He's "down to earth" - he doesn't have his head up in the air big fancy words and ideas. Crucially. He doesn't make them feel stoopid.

    The thick children believe what they see on television. They watch shows like The Dragon's Den, drooling like idiots, believing it's reality - when it's complete fiction. Sean Gallagher was never a high-roller in the Irish business world. He was no business genius - or investment expert. But the thicks saw him on television in his business suit talking blather and they believe - they want to believe.

    The thicks like him - and want to believe everything he says is true. They even like a like a little bullshish.

    Once the thick children have an idea in their heads, it's very hard to shake it out. They reinforce it with fantasy (In their imaginations they're all hot shot business managers and television celebrities - "no nonsense" television celebrities - Irish versions of JR Ewing - millinaires who struck turf on their daddies land). The Independent finally gets around to examining Gallagher - and all his little stories of buying the farm by himself when he was 21, the poor performance of his business, the unhappy investors, the snaffling down government grants as pay, etc. The thicks dismiss that - it's not what they want to hear or believe.

    Fianna Fail have always been acutely aware of the thick factor. That's why in rural Ireland they're careful to make sure their candidates always seem backward and stupid. It's why Jackie Healy Rae puts on that act.

    It's the same reason George W Bush was elected and re-elected. Even though he was thick a pig shish.

    He even used to do the American culchie act - marchin' around his Texas ranch in his cowboy hat and wellington boots.

    What a load of high horse nonsense, how do you explain Norris and to a lesser extent Higgins, leading the polls before Gallagher then? And of course you've got the urban-rural divide, yet Bertie was one of the most 'man of the people' type TDs we've had. Utter nonsense to make yourself feel more important and intelligent than the majority.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    ArtSmart wrote: »
    I'm just not so sure if the PR works that simply.


    Anyone, with real knowledge know exactly how it works?


    have to start a thread methinks.

    Read up on it on wiki. It really is very simple and straightforward for a Presidential election.

    Here, I've done the googling for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Tubalkain wrote: »
    To vote Seán Gallagher – former member of the Fianna Fáil - as president would be A SLAP IN THE FACE for all who live in Ireland. FF government was the cause of the present financial desaster and the ruin of the country, people forget easily , it was not the Lehman crisis which caused this mess it was the squandering of FF.

    And you're wonderfully naive if you think FG/Lab would have not ended up in a very similar mess. Or was there a long campaign by them for better banking regulation during the boom that I missed?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    I always wonder if these so called ''polls'' are fabricated to try an influence the voter & if not then what sort of individuals do they ask?

    I would say you hit the nail on the head.Like with the elections.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    I will be giving one vote and one preference that is all and to neither of the above.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    nesf wrote: »
    And you're wonderfully naive if you think FG/Lab would have not ended up in a very similar mess. Or was there a long campaign by them for better banking regulation during the boom that I missed?

    This is the funny thing, you do not know what they would of done. Yet you would blinding go vote for the guys who DID do it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭krd


    What a load of high horse nonsense, how do you explain Norris and to a lesser extent Higgins, leading the polls before Gallagher then?

    Because both had a celebrity factor - And Mr. Television Business genius hadn't entered the race yet.

    We're well dug into the celebrity age now. If Katy French (God rest her soul), or Gerry Ryan (God rest his soul) were running, they'd be in with a chance.
    And of course you've got the urban-rural divide, yet Bertie was one of the most 'man of the people' type TDs we've had. Utter nonsense to make yourself feel more important and intelligent than the majority.

    Roysh.....Notice how even though Bertie was from North Dublin, he didn't have much of a North Dublin accent - more North County - hard to place, tinge of culchie.

    Same with Brian Lenihan, (God rest his soul, and I hope he's receiving his eternal reward for his patriotism and service to the country)....A dub who spoke with a, hard to place, country accent. A mock culchie accent for the party faithful.

    Brian Cowen went to a posh private secondary school - but managed, somehow, to keep his "down to earth", "no nonsense", culchietastic accent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    This is the funny thing, you do not know what they would of done. Yet you would blinding go vote for the guys who DID do it.

    Go have a look at the FG/Lab 2007 election manifestos and come back to me with whether you think they had a radically different plan to FF. Seriously, all the main parties sung from very similar hymn sheets during the boom precisely because that's what the majority of people were asking them to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭wow sierra


    Difficult choice for people who want to give their favourite candidate a vote but don't want Gallagher to win.

    I think if you want to vote for someone who is polling in single figures first and Michael D second that would be pretty safe as they will be eliminated. However if someone like McGuinness is going to get 15-20% could Gallagher be elected before McGuinesses votes are redistributed???

    I think it has to be Michael D - probably the best candidate of the lot anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    nesf wrote: »
    And you're wonderfully naive if you think FG/Lab would have not ended up in a very similar mess. Or was there a long campaign by them for better banking regulation during the boom that I missed?

    Doesn't change the fact that FF enacted their plan which caused the mess we are in today no matter what way you try to spin it.

    It seems a bit like a kid getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar, pointing to another kid saying he would have done the same if I hadn't of done it.

    FF could have taken the high ground but chose not to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    krd wrote: »
    Because both had a celebrity factor - And Mr. Television Business genius hadn't entered the race yet.

    We're well dug into the celebrity age now. If Katy French (God rest her soul), or Gerry Ryan (God rest his soul) were running, they'd be in with a chance.



    Roysh.....Notice how even though Bertie was from North Dublin, he didn't have much of a North Dublin accent - more North County - hard to place, tinge of culchie.

    Same with Brian Lenihan, (God rest his soul, and I hope he's receiving his eternal reward for his patriotism and service to the country)....A dub who spoke with a, hard to place, country accent. A mock culchie accent for the party faithful.

    Brian Cowen went to a posh private secondary school - but managed, somehow, to keep his "down to earth", "no nonsense", culchietastic accent.

    Gallagher has been declared for months yet its only in the last few weeks he's emerged as favourite, before that he was in single figures in the polls. Would you consider Mary McAleese a culchie?


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