Christology; What are your views?

PatricaMcKay2

Rather than be accused of trolling on the Sacred Heart thread I thought I would open up a fresh thread on this important subject.

What are your views on the relationship of the Divine and human in Christ?

Do you consider that Christ's humanity should be an object of worship?

lionmqj

Hi.
JESUS ~ fully God and fully man.
Hebrews 2:5-18 ESV

Now it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking. It has been testified somewhere,

"What is man, that you are mindful of him,

or the son of man, that you care for him?

You made him for a little while lower than the angels;

you have crowned him with glory and honor,

putting everything in subjection under his feet."

Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him.
But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering. For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying,

"I will tell of your name to my brothers;

in the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise."
And again,

"I will put my trust in him."

And again,

"Behold, I and the children God has given me."
Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery. For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham. Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For as he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

I think we should worship Him as fully God because He has been glorified, but look at his humanity also keeping in mind that He was tempted in every way that we are yet without sin and so he is able to sympathise with our weaknesses.

Bear in mind the offspring of Abraham is not the bloodline of Abraham.



Galatians 3:7 ESV

Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.

kelly1

My understanding is that Christ is 1 person with 2 natures - True God and true man.

georgieporgy

PatricaMcKay2 wrote: »

Rather than be accused of trolling on the Sacred Heart thread I thought I would open up a fresh thread on this important subject.

What are your views on the relationship of the Divine and human in Christ?

Do you consider that Christ's humanity should be an object of worship?

Yes I do. Just like any other aspect of Christ. As you know, he referred to himself as The Son of Man on a few occasions.

But I'll qualify it by saying catholics (incl me) worship Jesus as one all inclusive unit. We don't worship his right hand one day and his left foot the next day. Likewise this thing about the Sacred heart devotion. Devotion and worship are not the same.
A particular devotion is where we take one aspect of Christ's life and say "thanks for that mate". And that's why there are numerous devotions and they vary in popularity from place to place.

Soul Winner

According to Paul the only thing that really matters is that the new man is being built up and the old man is put away. The new man being the new nature that is growing in us as we live the life of faith in Christ. The old sinful nature will be displaced more and more the closer we get to death's door, at which time it will be laid down like an old garment, and then we will put on the new garment and have life eternal with Him.

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature." Galatians 6:15

Quibbling over the nature of Christ in His human form is just wasting time and can be used of Satan to side track Christians from what's most important from God's perspective. Answers to such inquiries will be given on the other side. The most important thing for the saint to do in this life is to make sure he/she attains unto the the next life and we can only do that through faith in Christ and His Resurrection from the dead.

lionmqj

Soul Winner wrote: »

According to Paul the only thing that really matters is that the new man is being built up and the old man is put away. The new man being the new nature that is growing in us as we live the life of faith in Christ. The old sinful nature will be displaced more and more the closer we get to death's door, at which time it will be laid down like an old garment, and then we will put on the new garment and have life eternal with Him.

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature." Galatians 6:15

Quibbling over the nature of Christ in His human form is just wasting time and can be used of Satan to side track Christians from what's most important from God's perspective. Answers to such inquiries will be given on the other side. The most important thing for the saint to do in this life is to make sure he/she attains unto the the next life and we can only do that through faith in Christ and His Resurrection from the dead.

2 Peter 1:4 ESV

by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire.

Omentum

PatricaMcKay2 wrote: »

Do you consider that Christ's humanity should be an object of worship?

Nothing should be worshiped but appreciated. Christ was Human, as are you and I. Treat others and yourself as you would christ.

tommy2bad

Do you consider that Christ's humanity should be an object of worship?

Good question.
Were talking about the incarnation here, a unique event, a intersection of the divine and the human. should we worship the human element? I don't think so but should we worship the divine to the exclusion of the human, I don't think that would be right either. I think the incarnation would have happened anyway even if the fall hadn't ocurded . Recognising our own fallen nature is one thing but Christ came to redeem us and that requires a recognition of the 'good' that man is. After all we were created good.

PDN

We don't worship a nature - we worship a person. The historic Christian understanding has been that Jesus, as God the Son, had two natures (human and divine) which were united in one person. This is in contrast to the Nestorians who taught that He had two persons, and the monophysites who taught that He had only one nature.

Therefore, as a Christian, I worship Jesus Christ who is fully and properly man and is fully and properly God. To try to separate and distinguish His divine and human natures as objects of worship would appear to be a denial of the hypostatic union.

lionmqj

PDN wrote: »

We don't worship a nature - we worship a person. The historic Christian understanding has been that Jesus, as God the Son, had two natures (human and divine) which were united in one person. This is in contrast to the Nestorians who taught that He had two persons, and the monophysites who taught that He had only one nature.

Therefore, as a Christian, I worship Jesus Christ who is fully and properly man and is fully and properly God. To try to separate and distinguish His divine and human natures as objects of worship would appear to be a denial of the hypostatic union.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jor0tBzpCTM

lionmqj

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufAM--ig-XU