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UPC is the worst ISP for Deep Packet Inspection and throttling

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    they've obviously never had an *enhanced* pat down at a US airport by the TSA. they could teach UPC a thing or two about deep packet inspection! :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭Virgin Media: Jason


    Guys

    Just wanted to set the record straight for anyone interested.

    UPC do NOT do this - you can take this as an official response.

    Regards

    Jason



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,042 ✭✭✭spooky donkey


    when I first got my UPC in I got amazing speed on torrents. Now I never get more than 100k on any torrent so I was wondering if they did this.
    Still Could be an issue with the PC. I must try it on another system.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    UPC: Jason wrote: »
    Guys

    Just wanted to set the record straight for anyone interested.

    UPC do NOT do this - you can take this as an official response.

    Regards

    Jason

    But you so obviously do. And you or one of your carriers throttle the **** out of filehosters based in Asia.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    Lots of threads on here lately about slow speeds on UPC from filesharing sites


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭yoyo


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    Lots of threads on here lately about slow speeds on UPC from filesharing sites

    Fileserve does seem to be slow on UPC (Its fine using a download manager though)/Megaupload is unuseable free (30 or so kb/s)-fine on VPN but I'm not sure if UPC are to blame. I remember reading somewhere that Virgin in the UK (Cable bb there) had similiar problems. Rapidshare always works well on UPC.
    I did the shaping test linked and it said that UPC don't throttle, its a weird one but I think there could be other variables here for UPC to be slow with certain file hosts,

    Nick


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,007 ✭✭✭Moriarty


    It would be worth noting that those results are suspect - Smart Telecom don't do DPI either but are listed there.

    Looks like the information is at least a year and a half out of date too?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    Moriarty wrote: »
    It would be worth noting that those results are suspect - Smart Telecom don't do DPI either but are listed there.

    Looks like the information is at least a year and a half out of date too?

    Smart have been owned by Digiweb since 2009. Digiweb have the reputation of being the cap kings, (nasty rolling caps and throttling etc)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,007 ✭✭✭Moriarty


    .. Digiweb don't to do any DPI either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    Moriarty wrote: »
    .. Digiweb don't to do any DPI either.

    Do you work for them, how do you know they don't?

    There's not a provider in the World that doesn't care about the effect torrenting customers has on their network.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    yoyo wrote: »
    Fileserve does seem to be slow on UPC (Its fine using a download manager though)/Megaupload is unuseable free (30 or so kb/s)-fine on VPN but I'm not sure if UPC are to blame. I remember reading somewhere that Virgin in the UK (Cable bb there) had similiar problems. Rapidshare always works well on UPC.
    I did the shaping test linked and it said that UPC don't throttle, its a weird one but I think there could be other variables here for UPC to be slow with certain file hosts,

    Nick
    Fileserve is absolutely fúcking useless! Using a premium account I never got more than 350kbps. With rapidshare I average 2.5mbps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,007 ✭✭✭Moriarty


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    Do you work for them,

    Yes.
    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    how do you know they don't?

    Because I'd be one of the people controlling it, if it existed.
    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    There's not a provider in the World that doesn't care about the effect torrenting customers has on their network.

    Well, not really. ISPs can care about the amount of traffic their customers generate, but whether any/all of that is due to torrenting is of little concern to many of them. Digiweb and Smart Telecom don't use DPI and couldn't care less if all people did with their connections was torrent.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭yoyo


    Fileserve is absolutely fúcking useless! Using a premium account I never got more than 350kbps. With rapidshare I average 2.5mbps.

    Agreed, although with multiple file downloads I get decent overall speeds :)

    Nick


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,389 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lenny


    yoyo wrote: »
    Agreed, although with multiple file downloads I get decent overall speeds :)

    Nick
    have to aggree too, most times if i am downloading a single file on fileserve, I only get about 300ish too, but if I download multiple I can about 1.8mb.
    the odd and I say odd tiem does a single file get 1.8mb... its strange


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Moriarty wrote: »
    Well, not really. ISPs can care about the amount of traffic their customers generate, but whether any/all of that is due to torrenting is of little concern to many of them. Digiweb and Smart Telecom don't use DPI and couldn't care less if all people did with their connections was torrent.

    And past your CSU/DSU? Just because you don't care, doesn't mean others don't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,007 ✭✭✭Moriarty


    And past your CSU/DSU? Just because you don't care, doesn't mean others don't.

    Did I say different?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 burt


    UPC: Jason wrote: »
    Guys

    Just wanted to set the record straight for anyone interested.

    UPC do NOT do this - you can take this as an official response.

    Regards

    Jason



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    Jsaon,

    The funding of these tests is sponsored by some big companies, such as Google and Amazon. You should reach out to the people behind the est and site and get this cleared up. If UPC aren't doing DPI then the tests & monitoring are severly flawed.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    burt wrote: »
    If UPC aren't doing DPI then the tests & monitoring are severly flawed.

    They wouldn't be the first tests that are flawed.

    People are taking these tests as FACT yet here we have two companys clearly saying the test is not accurate.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭mickoneill30


    So what do these results mean?

    I'm with UPC and am able to max out my link (25Mb) with torrents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭Swampy


    I get great torrent speeds but Megavideo has gotten so slow it's unusable.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭M.J.M.C


    So what do these results mean?

    I'm with UPC and am able to max out my link (25Mb) with torrents.


    +1 with my 100Mb line

    Anytime, Day or night!

    No issues with bittorrent on upc EVER!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Cabaal wrote: »
    They wouldn't be the first tests that are flawed.

    People are taking these tests as FACT yet here we have two companys clearly saying the test is not accurate.

    And they are probably correct. But for UPC at least I know connections to Asia are throttled when connecting to popular filehosters. This is most likely done outside of their network somewhere in or on the way to Asia. But I have a contract with UPC which mentions nothing about throttling or DPI. Since their paid for links are doing this, it is UPC responsibility to ensure it doesn't happen to their customers. And since filehosters are throttled, bit torrent almost undoubtedly is. We wouldn't notice though as with popular torrents a fair portion or connections would most likely be within the EU boundary and on the UPC network or direct links to the UPC network.

    These tests are surely testing all possible connections across the globe, not just each ISP's own internal network.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭M.J.M.C


    These tests are surely testing all possible connections across the globe, not just each ISP's own internal network.

    Surely :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭mickoneill30


    But for UPC at least I know connections to Asia are throttled when connecting to popular filehosters.

    That's interesting stuff. Have you got any info about that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 652 ✭✭✭Blackdragon


    So what do these results mean?

    I'm with UPC and am able to max out my link (25Mb) with torrents.

    Same here - Never had any speed issues to date


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    That's interesting stuff. Have you got any info about that?

    A single file with a single connection to hotfile, megaupload and fileserve on my 100mb UPC connection will get 40-120kbps. But I can remote into work and with either Smart fibre, Irish broadband fixed wireless or a Eircom Business Dsl line get near or close to near full speed on these lines at the same time. Consistently.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭mickoneill30


    A single file with a single connection to hotfile, megaupload and fileserve on my 100mb UPC connection will get 40-120kbps. But I can remote into work and with either Smart fibre, Irish broadband fixed wireless or a Eircom Business Dsl line get near or close to near full speed on these lines at the same time. Consistently.

    That doesn't rule out your infrastructure. Have you tried it in another persons house with UPC preferably someone in a different estate. If you give me your megaupload password I'll be happy to check for ya on mine :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭M.J.M.C


    A single file with a single connection to hotfile, megaupload and fileserve on my 100mb UPC connection will get 40-120kbps. But I can remote into work and with either Smart fibre, Irish broadband fixed wireless or a Eircom Business Dsl line get near or close to near full speed on these lines at the same time. Consistently.

    Oh god!
    That's a UPC fault indeed..
    Post a link to a test file and I will test it on my 100Mb home connection


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭Sudsy86


    A single file with a single connection to hotfile, megaupload and fileserve on my 100mb UPC connection will get 40-120kbps. But I can remote into work and with either Smart fibre, Irish broadband fixed wireless or a Eircom Business Dsl line get near or close to near full speed on these lines at the same time. Consistently.


    Be Curious to See a trace route if you have an IP...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    That doesn't rule out your infrastructure. Have you tried it in another persons house with UPC preferably someone in a different estate. If you give me your megaupload password I'll be happy to check for ya on mine :D

    My connection is fine, I work in a technical position with other people who have similar issues throughout our capital.
    M.J.M.C wrote: »
    Oh god!
    That's a UPC fault indeed..
    Post a link to a test file and I will test it on my 100Mb home connection

    Difficult to find one that wouldn't get me banned.

    http://www.fileserve.com/file/T2heezJ/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso

    Can't tell you what speed my lines in work should currently get as its lunch time, the accessible ones are being hammered atm.

    Sudsy86 wrote: »
    Be Curious to See a trace route if you have an IP...

    eircom tracert
    Tracing route to www.fileserve.com [209.222.23.221]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
    
      1     5 ms     5 ms     6 ms  
      2    24 ms    24 ms    25 ms  
      3    48 ms    38 ms    26 ms  
    ]
      4    27 ms    24 ms    26 ms  
    .65]
      5    38 ms    27 ms    27 ms  tenge-2-2-1.pe1.cwm.cwm-cwm.eircom.net [86.43.252.178]
      6   125 ms   124 ms   121 ms  ge13-1-0.corea.cwm.dublin.eircom.net [86.43.244.45]
      7   106 ms   107 ms   108 ms  pos3-0-0.corea.hud.newyork.eircom.net [83.71.113.114]
      8   117 ms   109 ms   113 ms  nyiix.gi3-6.cr1.nyc1.choopa.net [198.32.160.157]
    
      9   116 ms   127 ms   121 ms  ve27-br1.ewr3.choopa.net [66.55.135.233]
     10   121 ms   125 ms   124 ms  vl3-c58-c6-1.ewr3.choopa.net [66.55.134.186]
     11   107 ms   110 ms   107 ms  209.222.7.82
     12   122 ms   122 ms   124 ms  209.222.7.86
     13   122 ms   123 ms   122 ms  209.222.23.221
    

    I'll post up a UPC one this evening if you want.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭mickoneill30


    Difficult to find one that wouldn't get me banned.

    http://www.fileserve.com/file/T2heezJ/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso

    That's interesting. On my home machine (UPC) I'm getting about 40Kb/s. Here in work (BT I think). I'm getting 250Kb/s.
    If I download the same ISO at home from Ubuntu I get about 2.2MB/s

    Trace from my PC at home.

    tracert www.fileserve.com

    Tracing route to www.fileserve.com [209.222.23.221]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:

    1 14 ms 14 ms 11 ms
    2 43 ms 24 ms 9 ms
    3 24 ms 25 ms 42 ms
    4 43 ms 23 ms 22 ms 84.116.238.38
    5 41 ms 39 ms 26 ms uk-lon01b-rd1-xe-1-1-2.aorta.net [84.116.132.45]

    6 22 ms 25 ms 22 ms 84.116.133.230
    7 26 ms 30 ms 21 ms ldn-b5-link.telia.net [213.248.96.89]
    8 26 ms 23 ms 23 ms ldn-bb2-link.telia.net [80.91.249.181]
    9 96 ms 97 ms 220 ms nyk-bb2-link.telia.net [80.91.248.254]
    10 104 ms 94 ms 98 ms nyk-b2-link.telia.net [80.91.247.200]
    11 104 ms 102 ms 98 ms choopa-ic-138364-nyk-b2.c.telia.net [213.248.83.
    126]
    12 94 ms 96 ms 98 ms vl12-c58-c6-1.ewr3.choopa.net [66.55.128.190]
    13 103 ms 95 ms 98 ms 209.222.7.130
    14 98 ms 94 ms 95 ms 209.222.7.134
    15 107 ms 96 ms 121 ms 209.222.23.221

    Trace complete.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭M.J.M.C


    That website has a premium and a free service, with the premium service being quicker.

    Given the above point, and the below point - this thread has failed to deliver any solid proof on its title.

    Fair play to Jason for confirming this so quickly.
    UPC: Jason wrote: »
    Guys

    Just wanted to set the record straight for anyone interested.

    UPC do NOT do this - you can take this as an official response.

    Regards

    Jason



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,258 ✭✭✭MrVestek


    Guys it could be any hop along the way that is affecting your traffic in some way shape or form.

    Traffic from an Eircom connection or a UPC connection isn't going to take the same route to reach it's destination, therefore presenting the appearance that one connection is throttling where the other is not. ANY node along the way could be throttling bittorrent data using DPI.

    That said I worked for an ISP once upon a time that swore blind to it's customers and it's employees that it did not employ any kind of traffic shaping whatsoever... until I found out that they did and that everybody was being lied to. They were using a few of these to do so: http://www.arbornetworks.com/arbor-eseries-deep-packet-inspection-dpi.html

    So whilst Jason may be perfectly right in what he's saying and may believe it and may be the 'official response'... it doesn't mean that he's not being lied to like I was at the time.

    Food for thought.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭mickoneill30


    M.J.M.C wrote: »
    That website has a premium and a free service, with the premium service being quicker.

    I tried the same link using the two different ISPs. UPC was 40Kb/s (coincidentally very similar to Cuddlesworths result). My work was 250Kb/s.
    I don't have an account with Fileserve so I was using the free service for both downloads.

    Considering Cuddlesworth has tried Smart, IBB & Eircom and gotten faster speeds to me it looks like something with UPC. Yes we all take different routes to sites on the internet but if it's consistently slow for UPC users the only explanations I can think of are

    1: Something in UPCs end either faulty or restricting traffic.
    2: Fileserve are throttling UPC users. Which is a possibility too. UPC are the fastest ISP in Ireland. It's possible Fileserve saw a lot of traffic going to UPC and turned it down. That explanation is not as likely if the same result is seen with multiple file hosters.
    3: It's a problem with one of the hops near UPC.

    If it's a route issue like Achilles says maybe someone more technical can give us the commands so we can put static routes to Fileserve for a test. Cuddlesworth posted the hops from Eircom which work OK for him. Could we put in static routes to use the same route once we break out of UPCs network. This is beyond my knowledge, so I've no idea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭M.J.M.C


    With all due respect, many of your points would be described as very vague at best and not technically sound.

    I will wait till someone posts some solid technical proof.

    This thread is concentrating on one website by the looks of it.

    Any protocol I've used, I've never seen any throttling. At anytime.
    I'm open to be proved wrong, but want some solid facts,


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭mickoneill30


    M.J.M.C wrote: »
    Any protocol I've used, I've never seen any throttling. At anytime.
    I'm open to be proved wrong, but want some solid facts,

    So for the link Cuddlesworth posted above, that's working at full speed for you?
    The guy said hotfile, megaupload & fileserve seem to be slow for him. You hardly want links for all three. Either he's having the problem he described or he's making it up and just able to provide one link to back him up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭Sudsy86


    Routing is easily change by altering DNS settings, for example use Goggles DNS

    Primary 8.8.8.8
    Secondary 8.8.4.4


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    M.J.M.C wrote: »
    With all due respect, many of your points would be described as very vague at best and not technically sound.

    There is nothing vauge about it. My 100mb UPC connection can provide me with close to 100mb of traffic from heanet. When going to a Asian Filehoster the best speed I can get is around 40kbps per connection. I can test the same link on multiple lines from multiple ISPs at once and can hit full speed on all but the UPC line.

    How much more technical would you like it?
    M.J.M.C wrote: »
    I will wait till someone posts some solid technical proof.

    I'll pop onto TOR this evening and get better speeds again. Like I've done in the past when I wanted something quickly.
    M.J.M.C wrote: »
    This thread is concentrating on one website by the looks of it.

    Because its popular. So is Hotfile and Megaupload. Its why they are throttled.
    M.J.M.C wrote: »
    Any protocol I've used, I've never seen any throttling.

    Good for you. Although I get the impression from your posts you wouldn't know where to begin if you did have a problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭M.J.M.C


    So for the link Cuddlesworth posted above, that's working at full speed for you?

    Why would it download at full speed? I don't have a premium account which makes this whole conversation fairly poor.

    Saying download speeds are slow from sites that often require you to pay money to download faster, well....enough said.

    I've a dedicated server in france and can constantly get 100Mb down from it anytime, no issues with any protocol.
    I've seen no issues EVER of throttling and UPC have confirmed this too.


    Achilles made a good point, and if someone has some GOOD proof to show UPC are then by all means show it.
    Some good technical proof. Not hearsay or complaints about one or two websites.

    I might make a thread "UPC is the BEST ISP for not doing Deep Packet Inspection and throttling" and wait to be proven wrong.

    This thread title so far has been misleading as we haven't seen any proof and titles like this can give UPC a bad name.

    Thanks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    Sudsy86 wrote: »
    Routing is easily change by altering DNS settings, for example use Goggles DNS

    Primary 8.8.8.8
    Secondary 8.8.4.4

    That would make zero difference, Dns doesn't specify a route, it just resolves hostnames to ip addresses. If the ip is not directly connected to a router, it passes the packet to the nexthop router specified in its routing table (which can change).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Sudsy86 wrote: »
    Routing is easily change by altering DNS settings, for example use Goggles DNS

    Primary 8.8.8.8
    Secondary 8.8.4.4

    Routing isn't changed by altering the DNS servers. You can change routing by either changing ISP's or using a proxy server to force your traffic along another route.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭M.J.M.C


    Good for you. Although I get the impression from your posts you wouldn't know where to begin if you did have a problem.

    My degree in computer networking and cisco qualifications beg to differ.

    Still waiting to see some proof.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    M.J.M.C wrote: »
    Why would it download at full speed? I don't have a premium account which makes this whole conversation fairly poor.

    Fileservce offer 200kbps to unpaid users. And would you believe it, I just got 200kbps when using it as a free user.
    M.J.M.C wrote: »
    Saying download speeds are slow from sites that often require you to pay money to download faster, well....enough said.

    Regardless of premium or free, it caps itself to 40kbps. Everytime regardless and has done for the last six months.
    M.J.M.C wrote: »
    I've a dedicated server in france and can constantly get 100Mb down from it anytime, no issues with any protocol.
    I've seen no issues EVER of throttling and UPC have confirmed this too.

    Your dedicated server in France is not comparable to a Filehoster in Asia.
    M.J.M.C wrote: »
    Achilles made a good point, and if someone has some GOOD proof to show UPC are then by all means show it.
    Some good technical proof. Not hearsay or complaints about one or two websites.

    I'm beginning to get the impression that no matter what I say you will deny it. Have you got a vested interest to declare?
    M.J.M.C wrote: »
    I might make a thread "UPC is the BEST ISP for not doing Deep Packet Inspection and throttling" and wait to be proven wrong.

    And I'll post the above fileserve link and we will see how many upc users can get above 100kbps. I'm going to go out on a limb and say 0.
    M.J.M.C wrote: »
    This thread title so far has been misleading as we haven't seen any proof and titles like this can give UPC a bad name.

    Thanks

    I'm back to my vested interest question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    M.J.M.C wrote: »
    My degree in computer networking and cisco qualifications beg to differ.

    Still waiting to see some proof.

    If you did have a degree in computer networking and Cisco qualifications you wouldn't compare a 100mb server in France with the current no1 filehoster based in Asia.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭mickoneill30


    M.J.M.C wrote: »
    Why would it download at full speed? I don't have a premium account which makes this whole conversation fairly poor.

    Are you reading my posts or am I typing them in a different language.

    I don't have a premium account.

    I try with UPC. I get 40Kb/s
    I try the SAME LINK with a FREE ACCOUNT in work and get 250Kb/s.

    When you tried it (you have tried it right) what speed do you get? I know it's a free account but I'm sure with all your qualifications you're not arguing about something without having even had the courtesy to try it for yourself.

    What makes the whole conversation pretty poor is people not trying simple steps but continuing to argue because they've a degree in computer science. You're waiting on proof but won't try the link yourself. I won't bother replying again to stupid posts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭M.J.M.C


    No vested :)

    I'll test the link when I get home, i'm interested to see & test it for myself.

    But from my own use, I've never seen anything throttled.
    However I don't use these two websites.

    I'm sure even if members of boards were able to show upc we were all having an issue with websites x y and z being slow, they would look into it.

    If we had more people saying they were only getting 40kbps from this site that would be helpful, again like I said i'll check it out when I get home.

    Again not a vested interest, just a happy customer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    M.J.M.C wrote: »
    No vested :)

    I'll test the link when I get home, i'm interested to see & test it for myself.

    But from my own use, I've never seen anything throttled.
    However I don't use these two websites.

    I'm sure even if members of boards were able to show upc we were all having an issue with websites x y and z being slow, they would look into it.

    If we had more people saying they were only getting 40kbps from this site that would be helpful, again like I said i'll check it out when I get home.

    Again not a vested interest, just a happy customer.

    From a ISP point of view, it makes financial sense to limit the traffic going from continent to continent when your paying for the amount that's used. And for the traffic carriers who have to pass it on. And both UPC and eircom travel across two continents with two oceans to span.

    Even if it wasn't UPC but their Telia links in the States, its still their customers traffic and their responsibility.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭mickoneill30


    M.J.M.C wrote: »
    No vested :)

    I'll test the link when I get home, i'm interested to see & test it for myself.

    But from my own use, I've never seen anything throttled.
    However I don't use these two websites.

    I'm sure even if members of boards were able to show upc we were all having an issue with websites x y and z being slow, they would look into it.

    If we had more people saying they were only getting 40kbps from this site that would be helpful, again like I said i'll check it out when I get home.

    Again not a vested interest, just a happy customer.

    Yeah, well me too. I've no problem with torrents. And I don't use the other file sharing sites. I had thought it was all in Cuddlesworths head when I read his posts :p
    It is just weird that with multiple ISPs working OK, users using UPC seem to be getting reproducible results.
    He said he got 40 - 120Kbs with UPC. When I tried UPC I got exactly 40Kbs. With BT (or whoever my work uses) I got 250Kbs. I tried both at the same time (I can access my home PC from work) and I tried them both twice.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭mickoneill30


    Even if it wasn't UPC but their Telia links in the States, its still their customers traffic and their responsibility.

    I had a look in their AUP earlier on. Section 8 seems to have you covered.
    http://www.upc.ie/termsandconditions/acceptableusagepolicy/

    The Jason guy said they don't do this though. I'd imagine it's only in there to cover ass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    I had a look in their AUP earlier on. Section 8 seems to have you covered.
    http://www.upc.ie/termsandconditions/acceptableusagepolicy/

    The Jason guy said they don't do this though. I'd imagine it's only in there to cover ass.

    I'd be surprised if any ISP didn't have it covered in their agreement. Doesn't mean I'm going to let them come on and steadfast deny it.


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