Why no more manly Hollywood actors?

snafuk35

In the 1950s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s there were tough guy actors who actually looked like they could not the stuffing out bad guys.

Victor Mature, Charlton Heston, John Wayne, Robert Mitchum and even guys in B-movie Westerns were believable tough guys. Many of the other leading men had been in World War 2 and Korea and actually killed people so when you saw them beat down a criminal or pull a trigger and kill a bunch of Germans or Indians they actually knew what they were doing. Clint Eastwood grew up the hard way did a stint in the Air Force, Lee Marvin fought at Saipan and was one of the few survivors of his Marine platoon wiped out by Japs, Charles Bronson worked in a coalmine and flew missions over Japan as B-29 aerial gunner and was wounded in action. Clark Gable did a stint as a gunner on a B-17 over Germany before returning to acting. The king of cool was Steve McQueen who did a stint in the Marines, worked as hired muscle to beat bolshy johns in brothels and was a getaway driver for hoods. Marlon Brando grew up in poverty and was a sexual tyrannosaurus who devoured women. Sean Connery told women what to do and they did it. Arnold, Sylvester and Bruce were the last of the old breed.

Even Rock Hudson who was shall we say was very much in touch with his feminine side could play a decent believable masculine tough guy.

Nowadays we have leading men with pretty boy faces, hairless chests and pefect six-packs who are full of post-feminist angst, tortured souls with no guts.

What the hell has happened?

irishh_bob

snafuk35 wrote: »

In the 1950s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s there were tough guy actors who actually looked like they could not the stuffing out bad guys.

Victor Mature, Charlton Heston, John Wayne, Robert Mitchum and even guys in B-movie Westerns were believable tough guys. Many of the other leading men had been in World War 2 and Korea and actually killed people so when you saw them beat down a criminal or pull a trigger and kill a bunch of Germans or Indians they actually knew what they were doing. Clint Eastwood grew up the hard way did a stint in the Air Force, Lee Marvin fought at Saipan and was one of the few survivors of his Marine platoon wiped out by Japs, Charles Bronson worked in a coalmine and flew missions over Japan as B-29 aerial gunner and was wounded in action. Clark Gable did a stint as a gunner on a B-17 over Germany before returning to acting. The king of cool was Steve McQueen who did a stint in the Marines, worked as hired muscle to beat bolshy johns in brothels and was a getaway driver for hoods. Marlon Brando grew up in poverty and was a sexual tyrannosaurus who devoured women. Sean Connery told women what to do and they did it. Arnold, Sylvester and Bruce were the last of the old breed.

Nowadays we have leading men with pretty boy faces, hairless chests and pefect six-packs who are full of post-feminist angst, tortured souls with no guts.

What the hell has happened?

the world is dominated by liberals and pc fascists

snafuk35

irishh_bob wrote: »

the world is dominated by liberals and pc fascists

How did the geeks win? What happened between the time they were dangled by their ankles so lunch money was spilled from their pockets, they were wedged so bad they had their underpants were wrapped over their heads and they were dunked in toilet bowls and NOW they run Hollywood?

I dunno...

Hugh Jackman is pretty manly

Professey Chin

Jason Statham?

phasers

I was also gonna suggest Hugh Jackman.

doomed

Moisturiser and cosmetic products.

Never saw the Duke say "Get a posse together and we'll head 'em off at the pass, right after we've exfoliated".

zuroph

Daniel Craig.

BlackRoom

What is manly?

irishh_bob

snafuk35 wrote: »

How did the geeks win? What happened between the time they were dangled by their ankles so lunch money was spilled from their pockets, they were wedged so bad they had their underpants were wrapped over their heads and they were dunked in toilet bowls and NOW they run Hollywood?

i never mentioned geeks

irishh_bob

BlackRoom wrote: »

What is manly?

clint eastwood

jaykhunter

I wouldn't mess with The Rock either

R P McMurphy

Danny Trejo, seems like a pretty tough fellow.A child drug addict and criminal, Danny Trejo was in and out of jail for 11 years. While serving time in San Quentin, he won the lightweight and welterweight boxing titles. Imprisoned for armed robbery and drug offenses, he successfully completed a 12-step rehabilitation program that changed his life

snafuk35

zuroph wrote: »

Daniel Craig.

Come on! Emerging out of the sea like Ursula Andress????:mad:

snafuk35

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Danny Trejo, seems like a pretty tough fellow.A child drug addict and criminal, Danny Trejo was in and out of jail for 11 years. While serving time in San Quentin, he won the lightweight and welterweight boxing titles. Imprisoned for armed robbery and drug offenses, he successfully completed a 12-step rehabilitation program that changed his life

Only for Robert Rodriquez he never would have got into movies.

celticcrash

And their names Orlanda Bloom, what next Timmy Blossom.

Otis Driftwood

Viggo Mortenson is pretty damn manly.

I also have a major man crush on Javier Bardem.

johnny_ultimate

Estrogen in the water.

Duh.

snafuk35

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Viggo Mortenson is pretty damn manly.

I also have a major man crush on Javier Bardem.

But he is getting little or no leading man roles unless he acts in rubbish with Julia Roberts.

This was his finest moment!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhXJcfczNIc

westies4ever

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Viggo Mortenson is pretty damn manly.

I also have a major man crush on Javier Bardem.

I hear javier bardem is confirmed as the 'baddie' in the new bond movie - looking forward to that!

snafuk35

westies4ever wrote: »

I hear javier bardem is confirmed as the 'baddie' in the new bond movie - looking forward to that!

Is he acting as Jaws? I hope so.

But the new Bond movies just prove me point.

Bond is turned into an angst ridden socially awkward grump who keeps breathing hard and looks scared. The point of Bond is that he is an ashamedly manly man who kills the baddies with panache while his boyish charm makes the toughest ice queen melt like butter and he is utterly utterly cool calm and collected throughout.

The girls blouses making the current crop of Bond movies haven't a clue what they are doing.

Nerds and geeks are making films these days.

westies4ever

god I dont know - I thought daniel craig absolutely kicked ass in casino royale! maybe thats just me?

Professey Chin

jaykhunter wrote: »

I wouldn't mess with The Rock either

Seen that tweet.
The hammer brothers, sledge and jack :pac:

duckworth

Jodie Foster's pretty manly.

busyliving

phasers wrote: »

I was also gonna suggest Hugh Jackman.

Deleted User wrote: »

I dunno...

Hugh Jackman is pretty manly

Really????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-WZZtyo5w4

du Maurier

Russell Crowe acts tough I suppose, but that's more boorishness and ignorance.

But yeah, the straw that's breaking the camel's back is allowing Justin Timberlake into the film industry. Him and his girly voice and tiny feet. God.

snafuk35

This movie is the absolute nadir.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsD0NpFSADM

Guys like the fool in this film need to be scalped, disemboweled, hung in chains and left for the jackdaws.

This is the example Hollywood is holding up to humanity.

Rhett Butler on the other hand was a REAL man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nACj50uq6_s

Voodu Child

jaykhunter wrote: »

I wouldn't mess with The Rock either

Nah, looks like he spends all day looking at himself in the mirror and deliberately buys clothes two sizes too small. I'd say he'd get on better with Elton John than Steve McQueen.

Liam O

Voodu Child wrote: »

Nah, looks like he spends all day looking at himself in the mirror and deliberately buys clothes two sizes too small. I'd say he'd get on better with Elton John than Steve McQueen.

you're just jealous of the people's strudel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtMML_zdfxA

Fishooks12

snafuk35 wrote: »

This movie is the absolute nadir.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsD0NpFSADM

Guys like the fool in this film need to be scalped, disemboweled, hung in chains and left for the jackdaws.

This is the example Hollywood is holding up to humanity.

I love that film, JGL is a quality actor too

I think alcohol or the lack of it is the problem, go back 30 or 40 years and Hollywood was littered with great drunks who could deliver a dry cut down as they kicked seven shades of crap out of a Nazi uniform, all while pissed out of their minds. These days if an actor is pissed on set they end up shooting around him or sacking him and hiring someone else.

Guy:Incognito

busyliving wrote: »

Really????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-WZZtyo5w4

A proper man should know how to dance when the occasion calls for it.

Ruu_Old

The lack of scotch and water or other spirits, women who smoke cigarettes and sing and a fella who would give you a slap in the chops for looking at him wrong. Looking at Bogie and Bacall.

tommyboy2222

It's society changing.

These days men/boys burst into tears if the don't get through to the next round of a song and dance competition.

If they have issues its cos Mammy didn't show enough attention.

The concepts of manning up and stiff upper lips are fading away.

A lot of those old movie stars would have fought in wars and wouldn't have much time for the first world problems men experience today.

http://www.listal.com/list/war-heroes-big-screen-war

e_e

I can't tell if this thread is satirical or not.

Phony Scott

Deleted User wrote: »

I think alcohol or the lack of it is the problem, go back 30 or 40 years and Hollywood was littered with great drunks who could deliver a dry cut down as they kicked seven shades of crap out of a Nazi uniform, all while pissed out of their minds. These days if an actor is pissed on set they end up shooting around him or sacking him and hiring someone else.

Couldn't agree more. But the buck doesn't stop with actors. Think about the great directors who drove them, Sam Peckinpah being the most famous and hardened of the lot of them.

Phony Scott

Phony Scott wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. But the buck doesn't stop with actors. Think about the great directors who drove them, Sam Peckinpah being the most famous and hardened of the lot of them.

Peckinpah was a complete and utter mad man and all the better for it.

Look at a film such as the Dirty Dozen, you could not make that film today simply because assembling a team of actors as grizzled and manly as the original team would be impossible.

There simply aren't the actors working today who can pull of being tough and act at the same time. Then you have the problem of the plot, not a single main character is female and you know damn well that were it made today there would be a feisty love interest who could hold her own alongside the boys yet be feminine enough that she falls for one of our heroes and either die and give our heroes that added incentive to win or else she'd save the day.

Watch any of the classic men on a mission films, Dirty Dozen, Where Eagles Dare, Dark of the Sun, Attack, etc, etc and then compare them to what passes as a men on a mission film today and they couldn't be more different.

LighterGuy

Deleted User wrote: »

I dunno...Hugh Jackman is pretty manly

Mega Chin wrote: »

Jason Statham?

zuroph wrote: »

Daniel Craig.

jaykhunter wrote: »

I wouldn't mess with The Rock either

what do the above have in common?

All are in their late 30s / early 40s. Seems thats the age now for the old classic style of mainly.

snafuk35 wrote: »

Nowadays we have leading men with pretty boy faces, hairless chests and pefect six-packs who are full of post-feminist angst, tortured souls with no guts.

What the hell has happened?

Exactly op. Couldnt agree more. Gone are the days of guys who look manly and today we have guys who tan themselves, pluck their eyebrows and over-all making sure they are stylish before they "kick ass"

Sure isnt that guy from Twilight ( Taylor Lautner ) rumored to be Robocop in the remake ...

Galvasean

LighterGuy wrote: »

Sure isnt that guy from Twilight ( Taylor Lautner ) rumored to be Robocop in the remake ...

Perfect casting. He is a robot.

JP Liz V1

Clint Eastwood still has it

foxyboxer

Case in Point:

Then: Ursula Andress comes out of the water in Dr No.

Now: Bond comes out of the water in Casino Royale.



Give me Connery's Bond and his hairy chest any day.
Could you imagine the Twilight fella's with hairy chests?
The reaction I would guess from the fans would be "Ewww, gross, etc etc"

MonicaBing

Um im gonna stick my head out here and say, Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Gerard Butler....?

Sad Professor

As far as current action heroes go, I think Liam Neeson stands apart as being an old fashioned tough guy who looks like he could actually beat people up without having to hit the gym first.

And there's not a chance in hell of Lautner getting cast as Robocop. Go watch Padiha's previous film Elite Squad - he knows how to do tough guys.

blue note

Deleted User wrote: »

I dunno...

Hugh Jackman is pretty manly

He is, but why did he do Oklahoma? He taints it a bit.

GavRedKing

Tom Hardy?

bullvine

Josh Brolin

irishh_bob

westies4ever wrote: »

god I dont know - I thought daniel craig absolutely kicked ass in casino royale! maybe thats just me?

true but he came across as making too big an effort

connery,s bond was effortless

irishh_bob

Deleted User wrote: »

Peckinpah was a complete and utter mad man and all the better for it.

Look at a film such as the Dirty Dozen, you could not make that film today simply because assembling a team of actors as grizzled and manly as the original team would be impossible.

There simply aren't the actors working today who can pull of being tough and act at the same time. Then you have the problem of the plot, not a single main character is female and you know damn well that were it made today there would be a feisty love interest who could hold her own alongside the boys yet be feminine enough that she falls for one of our heroes and either die and give our heroes that added incentive to win or else she'd save the day.

Watch any of the classic men on a mission films, Dirty Dozen, Where Eagles Dare, Dark of the Sun, Attack, etc, etc and then compare them to what passes as a men on a mission film today and they couldn't be more different.

as i said earlier , PC fascists , liberals and feminists dominate behind the scenes in every sphere nowadays , art , politics , media

traditional gender roles are relentlessly attacked and while the traditional brassy yet womanly female charecther is frowned upon , masculinity in its old fashioned form is seen as the definition of evil

beware theese social engineers

Fishooks12

Michael Cera = 100% alpha male

foxyboxer

Jon Hamm.
Clive Owen.

knird evol

What aboutHarry Molloy?