Football is Scottish.

celticbest

It's official - Scotland invented football,

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1018/breaking24.html

Le King

celticbest wrote: »

It's official - Scotland invented football,

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1018/breaking24.html

Scottish museum finds Scotland invents football. Slightly dodgy.

Neil3030

So the song should have read:

It's coming right beside home
It's coming right beside home
It's coming... Football's coming right beside home

Liam O

Em, just because they play a game with a pigs bladder doesn't mean that it was football. Was it closer to Rugby's version of the game or the association version that we see today?

Guy:Incognito

No doubt large amounts of batter and deep frying were involved somewhere.

That_Guy

Pity they don't know how to play it.

Dozen Wicked Words

Ah, Scottish Football. A proud legacy to whoever invented it.

parker kent

Liam O wrote: »

Em, just because they play a game with a pigs bladder doesn't mean that it was football. Was it closer to Rugby's version of the game or the association version that we see today?

Rugby and soccer evolved from the same game and were actually the same game for a period of time in the 19th century, so in reality these ball games were the origin of both games. Just that being the place where soccer was "invented" would get greater worldwide attention.

CiaranC

Im afraid its Chinese

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/CTVNewsAt11/20040724/soccer_chinese_040724/

The_Kew_Tour

Didn't China say they invented the game before too?

edit: beaten to it by CiaranC

Liam O

parker kent wrote: »

Rugby and soccer evolved from the same game and were actually the same game for a period of time in the 19th century, so in reality these ball games were the origin of both games. Just that being the place where soccer was "invented" would get greater worldwide attention.

They were not really the same game. Variations of football were played in the public schools in England and Rugby were the first to put their rules into writing and didn't agree with the FA's rules so stayed out, their game eventually becoming more popular than soccer until in-fighting stunted it's growth.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

That_Guy wrote: »

Pity they don't know how to play it.

Didn't take as long as I thought before the first petty dig

newballsplease

So whoever kicked a round spherical shape on the ground first is the person that invented football?

:rolleyes:

TheBuilder

dooferoaks wrote: »

Ah, Scottish Football. A proud legacy to whoever invented it.

Very proud actually, some fantastic acheivements in football by many Scottish clubs.

Fr Tod Umptious

Whatever about inventing soccer I think it is true however that the professional game developed in Scotland and then spread South to England

At the beginning of the last century soccer was very popular in mill and mining towns on the east coast of the US, and it was the large Scottish populations that were responsible for it developing in those communities.

CiaranC

TheBuilder wrote: »

Very proud actually, some fantastic acheivements in football by many Scottish clubs.

You Scottish then?

Some good info on the history of the game here in this thread:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=74613848

(edit: It came here from Scotland)

TheBuilder

CiaranC wrote: »

You Scottish then?

Some good info on the history of the game here in this thread:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=74613848

Yeah mate, lived in Ireland a big part of my life though.

I'll have a look at that.

everdead.ie

So really the Irish invented football after all we were the ones who invaded and took over Scotland about 1500 years ago, not only that but then more recently the "Scottish" king took the throne of England so even if it was England it was still the Irish* :pac:



*Pesky Chinese

keane2097

Where's soccer from then?

Son Of A Vidic

The Mayans were among the first to use a football for sport. Mayan football was a cross between soccer and basketball. The captain of the winning team was willingly sacrificed at the end to one of the Mayan gods. This sacrifice was apparently a great honour for the victim :eek:. One thing is for certain, it wasn't the Scots or the English that first started using a football for sport.

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yadda yadda yadda

Ancient people inflate pigskin and kick it around shocker.

mike65

keane2097 wrote: »

Where's soccer from then?

England (but we dissociate from the term unless its used in alliterative TV programme titles).

AgileMyth

Pfft, they were kicking balls around in China hundreds of years earlier than that. Their game was remarkably similiar to modern association football.

CSF

Thanks be to jaysus that Celtic are Irish so they can't take credit for this.

Coillte_Bhoy

CSF wrote: »

Thanks be to jaysus that Celtic are Irish so they can't take credit for this.

Coillte_Bhoy

mike65 wrote: »

England (but we dissociate from the term unless its used in alliterative TV programme titles).

What, like 'Monday Night Soccer'?

The_Kew_Tour

CSF wrote: »

Thanks be to jaysus that Celtic are Irish so they can't take credit for this.

Hibs got there before ye im afraid.:rolleyes:

parker kent

Liam O wrote: »

They were not really the same game. Variations of football were played in the public schools in England and Rugby were the first to put their rules into writing and didn't agree with the FA's rules so stayed out, their game eventually becoming more popular than soccer until in-fighting stunted it's growth.

I said origin as the games played in public schools are where the modern games of rugby and soccer came from. When I say "the same game" I mean the ball games played between various public schools. There are enough similarities between the games to recognise them as such. The success of those games led to rules being codified (and the ensuing split between soccer and rugby over hacking).

CSF

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Hibs got there before ye im afraid.:rolleyes:

Good one there.

mike65

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

What, like 'Monday Night Soccer'?

SKY for some reason love the S word in programme titles but never call it soccer in those programmes

DB21

They can't call it Monday Night Football. The Americans got that first.

Coillte_Bhoy

mike65 wrote: »

SKY for some reason love the S word in programme titles but never call it soccer in those programmes

Generally referred to as soccer in this country

Coillte_Bhoy

DB21 wrote: »

They can't call it Monday Night Football. The Americans got that first.

Maybe they wanted to call it Monday Night Soccer? Afer all, all the main newspapers, tv stations, radio stations have 'soccer' correspondents.

gustavo

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Maybe they wanted to call it Monday Night Soccer? Afer all, all the main newspapers, tv stations, radio stations have 'soccer' correspondents.

I support SRFC not SRSC

grenache

we always knew football to be scottish, this is not a new finding. Scotland has the most registered players per capita in the world, and also some of the biggest attendances per capita.

Coillte_Bhoy

gustavo wrote: »

I support SRFC not SRSC

I presume its the bit o red and not the other shower? If so good for you. So do i btw. Doesnt deny the fact that the game is generally referred to as soccer in this country. I really dont see why people have a problem with that.

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Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Doesnt deny the fact that the game is generally referred to as soccer in this country. I really dont see why people have a problem with that.

Because it isn't true, mainly.

Maybe down the country, where bogball is king, people say Soccer.

But in normal parts of society, Football is Football, and Gaelic Football is either referred to as "Gaelic" or "gah".

pickarooney

Yeah, sure Dubs have no interest in Gaelic Football.

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pickarooney wrote: »

Yeah, sure Dubs have no interest in Gaelic Football.

who said that?

In Dublin it's called "Gaelic" or "gah", well normal Dubs anyway.

Fr Tod Umptious

Why is this turning into a football (soccer) v football (GAA) thread ?

Coillte_Bhoy

Des wrote: »

Because it isn't true, mainly.

Maybe down the country, where bogball is king, people say Soccer.

But in normal parts of society, Football is Football, and Gaelic Football is either referred to as "Gaelic" or "gah".

It is true. I rarely if ever hear people refer to 'football' and i do spend a lot of time in 'normal' society.
No need for the insults. Ya it probably may be different in areas where GAA isnt that strong i suppose. I live in a rural area and GAA is referred to as gaelic and football as soccer.

But why in your opinion do all the major media outlets have soccer correspondents, not football correspondents?? Why anyone gives a **** anyway is beyond me.:rolleyes:

Son Of A Vidic

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Why is this turning into a football (soccer) v football (GAA) thread ?

Would you expect anything less?

parker kent

Des wrote: »

who said that?

In Dublin it's called "Gaelic" or "gah", well normal Dubs anyway.

By normal, presumably you mean your group of friends. Both words are fairly popular. I would say soccer is probably what I hear more often both at home in Wicklow and Dublin where I work. Either way, I have never met anybody who cares that much. I'd probably use both words.

Anyway, if this turns into another soccer v GAA debate, I will lose all hope!

grenache

Des wrote: »

But in normal parts of society, Football is Football, and Gaelic Football is either referred to as "Gaelic" or "gah".

"in normal parts of society". I like what you post in general Des but that's a very snotty comment. You have a very Dublin-centric view of "normal society". You seem to think anywhere outside of the capital is abnormal? In Munster, i've only ever heard gaelic football being referred to as football, and association football is only called soccer. There is nothing wrong with calling football "soccer". Even Sky's flagship football programme is "soccer saturday".

Kirby

The correct name for the sport is football.

The correct name for our game is Gaelic football. Some people shorten it to just "football".

The correct name for America's game is American Football. Some people there shorten it to just "football".

It's perfectly understandable but soccer is just an americanism.

parker kent

Kirby wrote: »

The correct name for the sport is football.

The correct name for our game is Gaelic football. Some people shorten it to just "football".

The correct name for America's game is American Football. Some people there shorten it to just "football".

It's perfectly understandable but soccer is just an americanism.

The correct name is Association Football.

Soccer was first used in England.

Soccer's etymology is not American but British. It comes from an abbreviation for Association Football, the official name of the sport (for those of you who have never heard the team "Association Football" before, it was named after the Football Association, which still governs English soccer, to differentiate itself from the other major type of football, Rugby Football, which was named after the Rugby School. FIFA, the world governing body of soccer, is French for the International Federation of Association Football… F-I-F-A). For obvious reasons, in the 1880s and 1890s, English newspapers couldn't use the first three letters of Association as an abbreviation in their pages, so they took the next syllable, S-O-C. With the British penchant for adding "-er" at the end of words: punter, footballer, copper, and, of course, nicknaming rugby, "rugger," the word "soccer" was soon born, over a hundred years ago, here in England, the home of soccer. We adopted it and kept using it because we have our own indigenous sport that we call football.

Kirby

The people who play the game call it football. The english do. The spanish, Italians, Germans etc.

The origin of the word was never in question as wikipedia or the dictionary would provide you with the answer to that but I stand by what I said that "soccer" is an Americanism.

parker kent

Kirby wrote: »

The people who play the game call it football. The english do. The spanish, Italians, Germans etc.

The origin of the word was never in question as wikipedia or the dictionary would provide you with the answer to that but I stand by what I said that "soccer" is an Americanism.

So you are wrong, but somehow right? You said it was the correct name for the sport. It clearly is not judging by what FIFA stands for. Now if you said that many countries (many not all!) use football or something similar as shorthand, then fair enough.

Kirby

The sport is called Football. "Association Football" is merely the branding used for the organised version of the game. The term football is even in the name they use for their brand. There is a ball, you move it with your foot. Football.

I'm not quite sure where you are falling down on this.........

parker kent

Kirby wrote: »

The sport is called Football. "Association Football" is merely the branding used for the organised version of the game. The term football is even in the name they use for their brand. There is a ball, you move it with your foot. Football.

I'm not quite sure where you are falling down on this.........

Are you honestly this pedantic or are you just not getting it? I'm not falling down on anything. The sport is called Association Football. That is not my opinion. It is a fact. That Association Football has become the most popular version of football in the world and as such is referred to as simply football by many, does not change that fact. That I and millions of others usually refer to it as just football does not change that fact either. The correct name for the game is Association Football.

It has been called Association Football since the 19th century. There are other forms of football such as Rugby Football. But this game is Association Football.

Either you know extremely little about the origins of football and the split into rugby football and association football or you just don't want to admit you were wrong in the above post.

Kirby

And after a post like that you are calling me pedantic. You are arguing against a point nobody made and dragging us hopelessly off-topic.

As I said in my last post....you can wikipedia the origins all you want Football is what the game is called, not Soccer like I originally said. I never stated anything that isn't true but you seem determined to try and prove the game isn't called Football by putting the word "association" in front of it.

Saying I live in Ireland is not incorrect just because I didn't say I live in the "Republic of Ireland". Its Football. You can keep your Association.