Cow shot in the midlands

JasonBourne

Hi Lads,

was talking to a guy in work today, he told me there was a cow shot in in the midlands this week?? is that true? anyone know what happened?

EPointer=Birdss

I heard Jim Carey was seen with Renee Zelweger in the area at the time...

JasonBourne

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

I heard Jim Carey was seen with Renee Zelweger in the area at the time...

he he he! did they find hand lotion at the scene too?? lol

garv123

JasonBourne wrote: »

Hi Lads,

was talking to a guy in work today, he told me there was a cow shot in in the midlands this week?? is that true? anyone know what happened?

It is true apparently yes.

JasonBourne

really? crap. what was it lamping i assume. was it in the papers? thats all we need, more bad press for shooters.

garv123

JasonBourne wrote: »

really? crap. what was it lamping i assume. was it in the papers? thats all we need, more bad press for shooters.

yup lamping.
They dont seem to make the papers, which is a good thing.

MacraPat

Was the county mentioned anywhere lads??

JasonBourne

garv123 wrote: »

yup lamping.
They dont seem to make the papers, which is a good thing.

any idea of the caliber of rifle?

MacraPat wrote: »

Was the county mentioned anywhere lads??

not sure lad, wondering that myself

beretta391

who was it ye bastards

JasonBourne

beretta391 wrote: »

who was it ye bastards

who it was doesent matter, its a public forum, just interested to know how happened, what can be done to avoid it for all shooters.

would someone have difficulty renewing there licence next time after something like that happening? i assume the gardai had to be called to verify it happened for the insurance company etc.

johngalway

JasonBourne wrote: »

what can be done to avoid it for all shooters.

Make a positive ID of your target.
Don't shoot at "eyes".
Always have a backstop.
Simples

JasonBourne

johngalway wrote: »

Make a positive ID of your target.
Don't shoot at "eyes".
Always have a backstop.
Simples

yeah thats a given, but im wondering were the circumstances different for the shooter in question?

bazza888

obviously they were, he/she shot a cow in the face!

landkeeper

beretta391 wrote: »

who was it ye bastards

another halfwit who shouldn't have a firearm by the sound of things if things carry on at this rate legitimate lamping will be banned and shooting insurance will specify 'excepting lamping'
how the heck can you mistake a bloody cow for a fox:eek:

JasonBourne

bazza888 wrote: »

obviously they were, he/she shot a cow in the face!

oh in the face??? could have been anywhere. i wasent sure if it was a stray bullet, accidental dischage or something else. how do you know it was in the face?

TRG 308 master

should of gone to spec savers

JasonBourne

landkeeper wrote: »

another halfwit who shouldn't have a firearm by the sound of things if things carry on at this rate legitimate lamping will be banned and shooting insurance will specify 'excepting lamping'
how the heck can you mistake a bloody cow for a fox:eek:

well if that was the case im assuming its down to inexperience or being to trigger happy.

bazza888

because it was said here it was(he/she shot at eyes)

landkeeper

JasonBourne wrote: »

well if that was the case im assuming its down to inexperience or being to trigger happy.

either of which may still end up with the rest of us paying the price

JasonBourne

bazza888 wrote: »

because it was said here it was(he/she shot at eyes)

not in this thread it wasent, what was said was

johngalway wrote: »

Make a positive ID of your target.
Don't shoot at "eyes".
Always have a backstop.
Simples

thats just good advice, I dont think its an account of what happened. i might be wrong but thats what i think he means

bazza888

oh ok have a look at the i learnt that from shooting thread,idont think it was recently shot

JasonBourne

landkeeper wrote: »

either of which may still end up with the rest of us paying the price

true, but would it not be worth people like that either getting a life time ban on a firearm OR a long ban example 5 years. i would make someone think twice before pulling the trigger

bazza888

all that would happen then is the person would pretend they didnt do it,if the circumstances allowed

robbie mars

If in doubt don't shoot I've been taught this for years

JasonBourne

bazza888 wrote: »

all that would happen then is the person would pretend they didnt do it,if the circumstances allowed

I suppose thats a fair point.

robbie mars wrote: »

If in doubt don't shoot I've been taught this for years

well i think we all were.

i wonder was this person more motivated by shooting as much as possible to boast on a place like this and try show off at there "ability"? or lack of in this case

Spunk84

out of a matter of interest how much would it cost you if you shot a cow by accident? Im sure your insurance would cover the accidentally shooting of the animalbut wondering is there a set price or what the farmer tells the insurance? Also is there a specfic law that you cant shoot a cow or livestock by accident? Not stirring just wondering

bazza888

a law that you cant shoot a cow by accident?:D

landkeeper

im sure it depends on the value of the beast, it would have to be valued by someone in the know like an auctioneer or dept of ag valuer the same as reactor cattle
if it was a pedigree animal it could be worth tens of thousands even a run of the mill cow would be worth a grand this year

JasonBourne

im guessing a heifer is probable in the region of €1,000 -€1,500 depending on the breed and condition.

homerhop

cost would depend on the breed i guess, up to €3.60 a kg

bazza888

jesus if you shot one a them prize bulls that would put a dent in your bank account

Spunk84

bazza888 wrote: »

a law that you cant shoot a cow by accident?:D

LOL you know what i mean smart a"rse:D. No seriously, if you did accidentally shoot a cow, what would you be charged for

bazza888 wrote: »

jesus if you shot one a them prize bulls that would put a dent in your bank account

I remember 14 years ago up in monaghan a friend who was a farmer paid 100,000 sterling for a bull,only to have it nicked that night! that was huge money back then.

landkeeper

it costs 60euro+ just to get rid of a dead one now too talking about adding insult to injury

bazza888

i dont think you would be charged unless you were on the land maybe without permission or something,in a case where you know the farmer id say youd get a proper tongue lashing and be told you were paying all the bills

bazza888

yeah i heard a lad at the ploughing saying his bull was worth about 50,000!

garv123

landkeeper wrote: »

it costs 60euro+ just to get rid of a dead one now too talking about adding insult to injury

Could said cow have been brought to the factory that morning?
Saw a cow jumping over a pen and landed on H iron and got impaled. was brought off to the factory.

JasonBourne

Bloody hell! :eek:

so any of you have any opinions on what the out come should be for a shooter in this position??

Spunk84

tell ya if im paying 100k for a cow, i want my burgers at the end of it:D

JasonBourne

garv123 wrote: »

Could said cow have been brought to the factory that morning?
Saw a cow jumping over a pen and landed on H iron and got impaled. was brought off to the factory.

Any animal going for slaughter is supposed to be able to walk in to the slaughter house. (as you said not always the case) besides the meat would be ruined with the adrenalin tainting the meat.

Spunk84

JasonBourne wrote: »

Bloody hell! :eek:

so any of you have any opinions on what the out come should be for a shooter in this position??

Jes sorry JB i kinda side tracked the thread:o Yep if he has insurance they should pay for the cow, if he doesnt he should pay. Should retrained on firearms and do community service;) Other than that not more you can do. Unless you see or know the whole story we are kinda of going off hear say.

IMO shooting the cow has now blacken his/her name in the farming/shooting circles. Everyone will know now in the area and sometimes all over Ireland such and such shot a cow and he/she has now just screwed up their shooting prospects.

garv123

423 views in 3 hours. my inbox is going to explode with notifications from boards

Spunk84

garv123 wrote: »

423 views in 3 hours. my inbox is going to explode with notifications from boards

i hated that, had it on my iphone and all day long bing,bing,bing:mad: so took them off email notifications"

EastTyrone

could there be a possibillity that there has been a fallout between the farmer and another farmer or member of the community and this was part of it?

JasonBourne

EastTyrone wrote: »

could there be a possibillity that there has been a fallout between the farmer and another farmer or member of the community and this was part of it?

This was part of it? How do you mean?

323

landkeeper wrote: »

another halfwit who shouldn't have a firearm by the sound of things if things carry on at this rate legitimate lamping will be banned and shooting insurance will specify 'excepting lamping'
how the heck can you mistake a bloody cow for a fox:eek:

Agree with you as to the halfwit, but full bore rifle licences are being given out in huge numbers to idiots, many who are not insured or legitimate hunters.

Doubt they mistook the cow for a fox, but a deer instead.

Not sure if this is a bad thing as it will raise awareness of the idiots who are wholesale commercially lamping deer at the moment. Apart from genuine conservation minded hunters, no one appears to care, "Sure there is far too many deer anyway"
Just a matter of time before it happens again, or much, much worse. as for the Simples mentioned earlier

Make a positive ID of your target.
Don't shoot at "eyes".
Always have a backstop.

are not an issue to these folks, pretty scarey when shooting at night.

meathstevie

Spunk84 wrote: »

out of a matter of interest how much would it cost you if you shot a cow by accident? Im sure your insurance would cover the accidentally shooting of the animalbut wondering is there a set price or what the farmer tells the insurance? Also is there a specfic law that you cant shoot a cow or livestock by accident? Not stirring just wondering

Yep, it's an offence called criminal damage. It applies where someone deliberately or carelessly damages someone else's property without the owners permission.

fodda

I dont think any insurance would pay out if you committed a criminal offence or would it?

garv123

323 wrote: »

Agree with you as to the halfwit, but full bore rifle licences are being given out in huge numbers to idiots, many who are not insured or legitimate hunters.

Doubt they mistook the cow for a fox, but a deer instead.

Not sure if this is a bad thing as it will raise awareness of the idiots who are wholesale commercially lamping deer at the moment. Apart from genuine conservation minded hunters, no one appears to care, "Sure there is far too many deer anyway"
Just a matter of time before it happens again, or much, much worse. as for the Simples mentioned earlier

Make a positive ID of your target.
Don't shoot at "eyes".
Always have a backstop.

are not an issue to these folks, pretty scarey when shooting at night.

It was a fox he taught he was shooting at. Why must every story about lamping turn into he was lamping deer.

I was lamping last Easter with a fella that I did a
bit of shooting with.
There was a fox in the field but he was lamp shy so went running
into the next field. All the light we had was from a P7 which was
mounted on the members scope. He was searching for the fox with the
P7 from the same spot. Suddenly a set of eyes lit up further
down and to the left of where we were.

Without checking what it was there was a shot gone off. It wasn't a fox it was a cow that got hit threw the mouth and into the lungs we believe.
The vet was called and the cow was put down.

Lads after experiencing this and seeing the trouble the member had to
go through with insurance, I ask again is it really worth it for a
fox?

And im pretty sure it was last easter as the story above tells. People are just hearing about it now after that was posted in the I learnt about shooting thread

meathstevie

It depends very much on what way the owner of the damaged property wants to proceed. If he's happy enough going the damage restoration/insurance route it's completely a civil matter.

If he goes down the road of making a complaint it can be dealt with as an offence or both.

johngalway

garv123 wrote: »

Why must every story about lamping turn into he was lamping deer.

I had the very same thought.

homerhop

fodda wrote: »

I dont think any insurance would pay out if you committed a criminal offence or would it?

IFA insurance will cover livestock in the event of an accidental shooting as far as i can remember