Should I become a Secondary school teacher so I have way more holidays?

MLH1

Should I become a Secondary school teacher so I have way more holidays?

alwaysadub

No

Chuck Stone

No.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Become a primary school teacher so you have shorter days

aaronjumper

Yes of course. If you are a capable teacher. Then no. Just no.

Saila

is there an echo in here

stupidusername

sure just go on the dole, you'll have all the holidays in the world then.

Louthdrog

Go on the dole if its time off your after.

EDIT: beaten to it, and by someone with a stupid user name.

Then you have to put up with little snot nose ****ers all the time.

Also, well for some having the option.

LaFlammeRouge

If you cannot control a class you will have a miserable time. Other than that it's an easy job.

Saila

MLH1 wrote: »

Should I become a Secondary school teacher so I have way more holidays?

Louthdrog wrote: »

Go on the dole if its time off your after.

might aswell start now istead of waiting 3 years I suppose

mojesius

Think of all the teachers you had in secondary school.

Do you really want to turn into one of them?

Also be prepared for a nickname that'll stick well past your retirement.

aaronjumper

Saila wrote: »

is there an echo in here

is there an echo in here

:pac:

AnonoBoy

No. The kids will hate you, hurl abuse at you constantly and force you to turn to drink.

Then, years down the line when you've lost your hair, your wife and your will to go on you will snap as one more snot-nosed teenager gives you backchat and beat him to death using a protractor and a set square.

And all that for a few more days holidays?

Is it worth it?

Well?

Whaddya think?

Where To

Depends.

FatherLen

as apposed to what?

uriah

Brenna Whining Socket wrote: »

Become a primary school teacher so you have shorter days

How's that?

Post primary teachers work 22 hours per week,
primary teachers work 25 hours per week.

Post primary work 167 days per year,
primary work 183 days per year.

I'd go for post-primary if all that matters to you is class-contact hours!!

Naomi00

No, you'd be a useless teacher if that's the reason you want to be one, and theres enough of them around already.

Galwayguy35

Yeah go for it. A 22 hr week for €600 and ya can go on strike when ya feel hard done by.

AnonoBoy

You do realise that teachers do work outside of classroom hours too, don't you?

Well the decent ones do.

yop

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yeah go for it. A 22 hr week for €600 and ya can go on strike when ya feel hard done by.

Wow, thats a nice life! I work near 3 times that for the same wage, great work if you have an honour in Irish!

Galwayguy35

yop wrote: »

Wow, thats a nice life! I work near 3 times that for the same wage, great work if you have an honour in Irish!

I know. And it was a teacher that told me it as well.

Herb Powell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5kPUFxXYLs

jaffacakesyum

It's great work if you can get it in a good school (not necessarily a private school before you all start calling me a snob )

There is a huge difference between teaching in half-decent school and a school in [insert disadvantaged area here] where the little sh1ts will drive you insane :pac:

Naomi00

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yeah go for it. A 22 hr week for €600 and ya can go on strike when ya feel hard done by.

They don't get paid €600 a week, secondary school teachers are all paid differently for doing the same hours. A teacher who's been in the school longer/has masters degree/etc gets paid more than a newer teacher, even if the second is a lot better at teaching than the first.

Also all new teachers at the moment are only getting about 1 year contracts at the most. Pay for that is a lot lower I think.

Galwayguy35

Naomi00 wrote: »

They don't get paid €600 a week, secondary school teachers are all paid differently for doing the same hours. A teacher who's been in the school longer/has masters degree/etc gets paid more than a newer teacher, even if the second is a lot better at teaching than the first.

Also all new teachers at the moment are only getting about 1 year contracts at the most. Pay for that is a lot lower I think.

Well it was a teacher that told me that. Granted she was full time but i have no reason to doubt her.

Cill Dara Abu

Yes

andyjo

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yeah go for it. A 22 hr week for €600 and ya can go on strike when ya feel hard done by.

most get paid a lot more than that. I know someone getting 1200 a week.

Go for it, the holidays + days off are insane.

yop

andyjo wrote: »

most get paid a lot more than that. I know someone getting 1200 a week.

Go for it, the holidays + days off are insane.

Have a sister clocking up around 22/24 hours per week on 50k per year. Of course they are taxed heavier than private workers but even with 2 hours extra per night its still a 32/34 hour week!
Add into it the grids at 25 euro per hour then they are well good money.

fiinch

become a college lecturer and do absolutely nothing but stroke your ego, get paid loads, don't work with post-grad students for longer holidays and maybe get a little freshers action gurrrllll

Mars Bar

You'll spend 6 weeks of those "holidays" correcting work and doing various courses so no.

mikemac

You'll be stressed and good chance you'll end up an alcoholic

The kids will give you a nickname, give you abuse, possibly mess with your car but if you give a well deserved belt then it's you who gets in trouble
Don't bother trying to defend yourself, every parent has a little darling who is always an angel in their eyes.

yop

mars bar wrote: »

You'll spend 6 weeks of those "holidays" correcting work and doing various courses so no.

But when u do a course u get the time back + extra time
Plenty of teachers do the Hibernia add-on courses each year just to clock up extra days holidays.

2700 euro for correcting junior or leaving papers.

yop

mikemac wrote: »

You'll be stressed and good chance you'll end up an alcoholic

The kids will give you a nickname, give you abuse, possibly mess with your car but if you give a well deserved belt then it's you who gets in trouble

lol, presume your messing with that part???

I have in my family and extended family 12 teachers, none are alcoholics and their cars are sound

So working in the private sector means that u don't stress or get abuse.. least the teachers have 3 months off to recover

Caraville

Take it from me, the holidays aren't enough of a reason to become a teacher. It's a brilliant perk to the job, but you'll need more than holidays to get you through the rest of the year.

But don't let that stop you from assuming it's an easy number and trolling on the internet.

ejmaztec

Teaching the infants is best, you're less likely to get stabbed because hardly any of them are on pcp, and they're too scared to hit you back.

Lord TSC

I generally find that people who moan about teachers holidays are the ones who don't respect teachers, education and schools, and see teachers as nothing more than glorified babysitters.

Teachers work hard through uni so of course get paid more than people who didn't bother. They work nine to five for 9 months of the year but most teachers will spend a large portion of the time "off" working on lesson plans, courses and corrections. They put up with bratty kids who come from houses who don't respect education, and thus they don't either, making teachers jobs harder. Meanwhile, they do a job that a mass number of people don't appreciate and don't realise how ****ed the world would be if they didn't exist.

And this all presupposes ALL teachers are on the amazing wages with paid holidays when the truth is it's near impossible for new teachers to break into the business due to the limits put on as a result of public pressure. A lot of teachers are not paid unless they work. Work is hard to come by (I've had four days in 18 months since I qualifed with no sight of even a part time position). And you're slowly advancing towards a system whereby youth can't get into the system and the older experienced teachers are leaving before they get **** on. The good teachers are being driven out by nonsense jealousy.

Wetai

mars bar wrote: »

You'll spend 6 weeks of those "holidays" correcting work and doing various courses so no.

We'd usually come back after holidays (especially Christmas) and some teachers would say they'll have them corrected like 2 weeks after we're back..

yop

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I generally find that people who moan about teachers holidays are the ones who don't respect teachers, education and schools, and see teachers as nothing more than glorified babysitters.

Teachers work hard through uni so of course get paid more than people who didn't bother. They work nine to five for 9 months of the year but most teachers will spend a large portion of the time "off" working on lesson plans, courses and corrections. They put up with bratty kids who come from houses who don't respect education, and thus they don't either, making teachers jobs harder. Meanwhile, they do a job that a mass number of people don't appreciate and don't realise how ****ed the world would be if they didn't exist.

And this all presupposes ALL teachers are on the amazing wages with paid holidays when the truth is it's near impossible for new teachers to break into the business due to the limits put on as a result of public pressure. A lot of teachers are not paid unless they work. Work is hard to come by (I've had four days in 18 months since I qualifed with no sight of even a part time position). And you're slowly advancing towards a system whereby youth can't get into the system and the older experienced teachers are leaving before they get **** on. The good teachers are being driven out by nonsense jealousy.

You could in fact substitute the word teacher there for a lot of qualified accountants/business students/IT heads etc etc etc or even carpenters/electricians etc.
They too have been unable to find work. You will find highly qualified people who have taken internships to get experience.

I am not dissing your situation as I am sure its a pain in the head and I know exactly what you mean with the old ones correcting papers (relatives included) which is gauling. How a 70 year old gets to correct papers is beyond me. :mad:

spank_inferno

I would happily be a teacher so long as I was only teaching the 6th years in an all girls school.

TheZohanS

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

It's great work if you can get it in a good school (not necessarily a private school before you all start calling me a snob )

There is a huge difference between teaching in half-decent school and a school in [insert disadvantaged area here] where the little sh1ts will drive you insane :pac:

I know of one poster on here that teaches in a disadvantaged school and judging by their posts I think they find that job far more rewarding than a cushy number in a "good" school. They get to make a real difference to a lot of lives.

Galwayguy35

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I generally find that people who moan about teachers holidays are the ones who don't respect teachers, education and schools, and see teachers as nothing more than glorified babysitters.

Teachers work hard through uni so of course get paid more than people who didn't bother. They work nine to five for 9 months of the year but most teachers will spend a large portion of the time "off" working on lesson plans, courses and corrections. They put up with bratty kids who come from houses who don't respect education, and thus they don't either, making teachers jobs harder. Meanwhile, they do a job that a mass number of people don't appreciate and don't realise how ****ed the world would be if they didn't exist.

And this all presupposes ALL teachers are on the amazing wages with paid holidays when the truth is it's near impossible for new teachers to break into the business due to the limits put on as a result of public pressure. A lot of teachers are not paid unless they work. Work is hard to come by (I've had four days in 18 months since I qualifed with no sight of even a part time position). And you're slowly advancing towards a system whereby youth can't get into the system and the older experienced teachers are leaving before they get **** on. The good teachers are being driven out by nonsense jealousy.

Yeah well that works both ways. Teachers got away with hitting kids when i was going even though they were not supposed to. And i can think of at least 3 of them who couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery let alone do their job and they happily cashed their cheques every week.

HavingCrack

Become a lecturer, better pay (generally), shexy students and you don't have to deal with teenagers.

retalivity

I can count 6 friends or family who have all, within the past 4 years, graduated as primary or secondary school teachers. Only one got a fulltime job, and thats in Italy. one more got a few months doing maternity a year ago, and has done nothing since. the rest might as well have signed on 4 years ago.

Ireland is crawling with way too many teachers who had the same idea as the op. and it serves them right for being stupid enough to believe theyd all get jobs

stovelid

The choices appear clear: become a teacher if It's so great otherwise quit moaning about those that do.

Galwayguy35

stovelid wrote: »

The choices appear clear: become a teacher if It's so great otherwise quit moaning about those that do.

I think its the teachers that are the ones that are always moaning how hard done by they are. Maybe they should try the private sector for a while and see what the real world is like. Id hazzard a guess they wouldnt be long running back to their cushy life...

andyjo

I was at a school reunion recently. There was two friends who both became teachers. One went to train in the North ( because her family had ties there ), and one trained in Dublin. One got a job teaching in the North, and one got a job teaching here in the republic. The teacher in the North remarked ( and her southern counterpart had to agree ) how over the past years teachers pay in the republic has been double what it is in the North.
The teachers here need the extra pay though, a lot have bought holiday homes and property investments for their retirement , and are struggling to keep up repayments if pay is cut further here. And imagine the stress of looking after a roomful of kids all day.

Irish Guitarist

Get a job dressing up as Santa in a shopping centre. You'll get loads of holidays.

Fratton Fred

There should be a rule that no one is allowed to become a teacher unless they have worked for three years doing a real job. That way they would appreciate what a spoilt bunch of primadonnas they actually are.

Of course, thinking this obviously makes me a school hating bad parent etc etc.

Snakeblood

MLH1 wrote: »

Should I become a Secondary school teacher so I have way more holidays?

Only if all the ninja jobs are taken.

Celticfire

Fratton Fred wrote: »

There should be a rule that no one is allowed to become a teacher unless they have worked for three years doing a real job.

What's a "real" job?