The Great 'Book'

listermint · 17-10-2011 8:00am #1

I was looking at some of the threads in legal discussion about producing Driving license and insurance in a garda station and got me thinking to the times when I had been asked to produce in the local station.

Upon bringing in your details they enter it into what looks like a glorified A4 folder, Its all a bit 'irish' i thought. I mean does someone then have to enter all this detail in to Pulse?

Is pulse used for any of this? Why isnt their a Pulse system at the front desk to elliminate the book. what if the book is lost or the station burns down surely this sort of system isnt used in the UK or is it ? anyone got any experience ?

pcardin · 17-10-2011 8:35am

I don't even know what to say....

Sure, they wouldnt mind to bring all the details into iPad or something, the money isnt just there for these things.

pcardin · 17-10-2011 8:35am

double post due to medieval internet connection.

listermint · 17-10-2011 8:38am

pcardin wrote: »

I don't even know what to say.... Sure, they wouldnt mind to bring all the details into iPad or something, the money isnt just there for these things.

Who said anything about an Ipad? how difficult is it to have a computer at the front desk connected to pulse so the info is logged straight away.

Would you not agree a 'book' is kind off archaic ?

Do they use this system across the water ?

Mr. Presentable · 17-10-2011 8:39am

I presume the Garda has to sign it.

pcardin · 17-10-2011 9:00am

listermint wrote: »

Would you not agree a 'book' is kind off archaic ?

Oh, I do absolutely agree as I think paper driving licence is archaic too.
Maybe not every Garda has the access right to the system, or maybe only one of them is trained for the computer entry and other can only take all the details in book by hand?
Next time ask them why is that?

TestTransmission · 17-10-2011 9:03am

Thread moved to Emergency Services, someone should be able to help ya out here with your question.

Zambia · 17-10-2011 9:45am

The whole produce your licence thing is stupid. When you are stopped the cop should be able to check your licence status then and there. Or else change the law that all drivers must carry a licence on them.

MagicSean · 17-10-2011 10:30am

Most stations do put it on Pulse.

listermint · 17-10-2011 10:32am

MagicSean wrote: »

Most stations do put it on Pulse.

The 2 ive been in put it straight to the Book, Large stations that is.

goldie fish · 17-10-2011 11:16am

Zambia wrote: »

The whole produce your licence thing is stupid. When you are stopped the cop should be able to check your licence status then and there. Or else change the law that all drivers must carry a licence on them.

Is it not already the law?

Paulzx · 17-10-2011 12:00pm

Zambia wrote: »

The whole produce your licence thing is stupid. When you are stopped the cop should be able to check your licence status then and there. Or else change the law that all drivers must carry a licence on them.

It already is the law. A driver must have his driving license with him.

He doesn't however need an insurance cert with him and this must be produced later.

17-10-2011 12:01pm

Paulzx wrote: »

It already is the law. A driver must have his driving license with him.

He doesn't however need an insurance cert with him and this must be produced later.

You are supposed to carry both but you have 10 days to produce if not.

msg11 · 17-10-2011 12:18pm

foreign wrote: »

You are supposed to carry both but you have 10 days to produce if not.

This is correct.

I always though it was an offence not to carry your driving licence when driving.

But it seems that it's not an offence, the offence is when you don't produce within the ten days same thing with the cert of insurance.

Good practise is too carry both with you to save yourself the hassle of going to the Garda Station to produce.

Licence

40.—(1) (a) A member of the Garda Síochána may demand, of a person driving in a public place a mechanically propelled vehicle or accompanying pursuant to regulations under this Act the holder of a provisional licence while such holder is driving in a public place a mechanically propelled vehicle, the production of a driving licence then having effect and licensing him to drive the vehicle, and if such person refuses or fails to produce the licence there and then, he shall, unless within ten days after the date on which the production was demanded he produces such licence in person to a member of the Garda Síochána at a Garda Síochána station to be named by such person at the time at which the production was so demanded, be guilty of an offence.

Insurance

69.—(1) (a) Where a member of the Garda Síochána has reasonable grounds for believing that a mechanically propelled vehicle has been used in a public place on a particular occasion (including a case in which the member has himself observed the use) and that the actual user of the vehicle on that occasion was a particular person, the member may, at any time not later than one month after the occasion, demand of the person the production of either a certificate of insurance or a certificate of guarantee or a certificate of exemption in respect of the use of the vehicle by the person on the occasion and, if the person refuses or fails to produce any such certificate then and there, he shall, unless within ten days after the day on which the production was demanded he produces such certificate in person to a member of the Garda Síochána at a Garda Síochána station named by the person at the time at which the production was demanded, be guilty of an offence.

Hooch · 17-10-2011 12:18pm

listermint wrote: »

The 2 ive been in put it straight to the Book, Large stations that is.

How long ago is that??

The books are generally gone from stations with the last 6 or more years. Everything is straight onto PULSE......unless PULSE is down for an update in which case it would be manually logged and then placed on PULSE later.

Hooch · 17-10-2011 12:19pm

foreign wrote: »

You are supposed to carry both but you have 10 days to produce if not.

There is no offence for not carrying your insurance cert. There is however for not having you licence there and then.

msg11 · 17-10-2011 12:31pm

Hooch wrote: »

There is no offence for not carrying your insurance cert. There is however for not having you licence there and then.

Stupid question to ask you Hooch, but you sure? I can't find anything on it, I always though it was an offence too, but I can't find anything in RTA about it..

17-10-2011 12:55pm

Hooch wrote: »

There is no offence for not carrying your insurance cert. There is however for not having you licence there and then.

But the wording on the summons says that failed to produce it there and then and failed to produce it within ten days. So not a separate offence but one that is included in the overall offence. (Or am I wrong again?)

MagicSean · 17-10-2011 2:12pm

foreign wrote: »

But the wording on the summons says that failed to produce it there and then and failed to produce it within ten days. So not a separate offence but one that is included in the overall offence. (Or am I wrong again?)

For the licence there is an offence for not producing there and then, not producing in 10 days and not having a licence. For insurance there is one for not having insurance and not producing in 10 days. Same goes for NCT.

17-10-2011 2:48pm

MagicSean wrote: »

For the licence there is an offence for not producing there and then, not producing in 10 days and not having a licence. For insurance there is one for not having insurance and not producing in 10 days. Same goes for NCT.

That's what I was saying. Just not as clear as it could be.

Hooch · 17-10-2011 6:27pm

foreign wrote: »

But the wording on the summons says that failed to produce it there and then and failed to produce it within ten days. So not a separate offence but one that is included in the overall offence. (Or am I wrong again?)

Most members read it like that, however the summons is worded as such to stop a prosecution in a case where someone produces a cert at the side of the road, and the member still makes the demand to produce. The wording stops a prosecution taking place as both failing at scene AND fail to produce are needed as proofs

17-10-2011 7:30pm

Hooch wrote: »

Most members read it like that, however the summons is worded as such to stop a prosecution in a case where someone produces a cert at the side of the road, and the member still makes the demand to produce. The wording stops a prosecution taking place as both failing at scene AND fail to produce are needed as proofs

More crystal clear legislation then. They sure make it easy for us, don't they!

Hooch · 17-10-2011 7:33pm

foreign wrote: »

More crystal clear legislation then. They sure make it easy for us, don't they!

And more yet to come buddie!!!!

Clear as mud

Zambia · 17-10-2011 10:29pm

Paulzx wrote: »

It already is the law. A driver must have his driving license with him.

He doesn't however need an insurance cert with him and this must be produced later.

Cheers

However it does seem to add in a level of complexity that really could be cut down.

I mean if someone is driving without out a licence or Insurance the option should be there for the Garda to take him of the road then and there.

So if that cant be checked at roadside then remove the option of the 10 days from legislation.

18-10-2011 1:25pm

Hooch wrote: »

And more yet to come buddie!!!!

Clear as mud

Oh I can't wait for the new drink driving legislation. That's going to bring a whole new level of fun to the job.

The Great 'Book'

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