player of the tournament

handsomecake

dagg for me.a serious class act.

kaino close second.best forward anyway.manhandling people.picked ioane up a yard from the AB's line and carried him backwards.also put in a rib tickler on mccabe today

cgpg5

Will hold out till after the final before choosing but if France win I'd imagine Dusautoir would become a front-runner and if NZ win it'll be surely between Jane, Kaino or Dagg.

handsomecake

cgpg5 wrote: »

Will hold out till after the final before choosing but if France win I'd imagine Dusautoir would become a front-runner and if NZ win it'll be surely between Jane, Kaino or Dagg.

surprised youve touted the captain of a team that lost twice and who clearly lacked leadership against tonga when they had a pen under sticks in last min for bonus point and took a scrum.

wixfjord

Dagg for me.
Thought Roberts, Phillips, Priestland, Hairydonkey, Clerc, SOB, Healy and Nonu were good too.
Is there a real player of the tournament?

thomond2006

Well since John Hayes wasn't picked, it must be Dagg.

cgpg5

handsomecake wrote: »

surprised youve touted the captain of a team that lost twice and who clearly lacked leadership against tonga when they had a pen under sticks in last min for bonus point and took a scrum.

Not many better warriors in the game, if France beat the All Blacks it'll surely come down to his leadership and I'd imagine he'd play a pivotal role in the victory. I barely recall him ever having a bad game. Tbh I hardly analysed every game of the tournament, was merely a suggestion, I hadn't factored in the Tonga game

ambid

thomond2006 wrote: »

Well since John Hayes wasn't picked, it must be Dagg.

Well, that's a sentence I never thought I'd see

I like the surprising contenders - the guys who exceeded the limits of their assumed ability. So the guys who most impressed me were Priestland, Best, and even Weepu (who stepped up from second choice scrum half to first choice, and having to shepard a rookie fly half, and taking on the goal kicking - I'm sure he never imagined having to do that). Even Parra deserves a mention for being weirdly played out of position by a coach who is a little odd.

On the reverse, disappointing player would probably be Wilkinson for me unfortunately.

.ak

Aside from the 'incident', Warburton's got a definite shout in. Jane after today as well.. man of the play off's that's for sure. Imanol H as well, it's hilarious how clearly he's the only thing binding the French squad together and he's not even the skipper, and at one point ML was accusing him of all sorts and benched him.

.ak

... and from a biased point of view I'd also mention Best, Ferris and SOB.

tolosenc

Harinordoquy, Warburton, O'Brien, Pockock, Dagg.

Arlidge deserves a mention.

durkadurka

Gotta be quade cooper.:D

twinytwo

Its a toss up between Dagg and Warburton.. WOuldnt be at all surprised if that dark horse Richie Mccaw comes out of no where and wins it:D

handsomecake

twinytwo wrote: »

Its a toss up between Dagg and Warburton.. WOuldnt be at all surprised if that dark horse Richie Mccaw comes out of no where and wins it:D

he is in the top 4 is say.todays performance was imperious supposedly on one foot. they reckon he could be out for six months after tournament.

wouldnt be surprised if he won it. a braver player i havnt seen. and he aint a big man by backrow standards

.ak

handsomecake wrote: »

he is in the top 4 is say.todays performance was imperious supposedly on one foot. they reckon he could be out for six months after tournament.

wouldnt be surprised if he won it. a braver player i havnt seen. and he aint a big man by backrow standards

The dude is 1.88m and 108kg. That is about the right size for backrow. That's a kilo heavier than SOB.

Kiwi_knock

Kaino, Warburton, Dagg or Jane for me. I would not be surprised though if McCaw wins player of the tournament just for leading NZ to the WC win.

If Ireland progressed any further Best, Ferris and SOB would have been contenders, but early knockout rules them out.

handsomecake

.ak wrote: »

The dude is 1.88m and 108kg. That is about the right size for backrow. That's a kilo heavier than SOB.

jesus he must be granite. becuase i would never have thought he was heavier then SOB.

Fishooks12

Daag for me

Honourable mentions:

SOB
Corey Jane
Victor Gresev
Warburton
Roberts
Harinorduqoy

Iron Hide

handsomecake wrote: »

jesus he must be granite. becuase i would never have thought he was heavier then SOB.

Christ McCaw doesnt look 108kg at all, SOB looks like a much larger man than 107 though. As does Kieran Read who tips the scale at 106kg. I'd give McCaw nearer the 100 mark tbh.

Anyway back to topic.

Dagg, Jane and Kahui have had great tournaments, Jerome Kaino as well he's playing like an angry drunk shunting fellas this way and that.

Warburton is probably the best no.7 in the NH at the moment and a shoe in for lions 2013.

Much as i hate him, Parra has had a great one for Lievremonts Travelling Circus, he and Morne Steyn been pretty much bulletproof with the boot.

Honourable mention to SOB and Best too.

Dunno who to give best player mantle to really, but Quade Coopers a shoe in for the worst

thebaz

Warburton ; Phillips ; Roberts - Wales have been so refreshing in this WC

Jess16

Richie McCaw/Jamie Roberts. Ashton was incredible at times but too inconsistent. I think SOB did great but I don't get the sudden love-in
-anyone who saw his 6N performance and how he's played for Leinster this year would have expected even more from him in the WC

Fight_Night

Has to be Kaino, he has been immense throughout the tournament. Unfortunately I think McCaw will get it if NZ win.

roycon

cian healy capitulated in the scrum against the welsh and shouldnt be given a mention

.ak

Jess16 wrote: »

Richie McCaw/Jamie Roberts. Ashton was incredible at times but too inconsistent. I think SOB did great but I don't get the sudden love-in
-anyone who saw his 6N performance and how he's played for Leinster this year would have expected even more from him in the WC

Yes, but you're forgetting two things. One, this is the WC and not the H-Cup, and thus running at opposition more skilled at taking you down. And secondly, he's more a 6 than a 7. I'm not talking about the groundhog aspect, but the positional aspect. So to play out of position, in a WC, on his debut he did very, very well indeed.

pickarooney

Bonnaire has been the standouf French forward but he won't get near an shortlists. Nonu would be my own pick.

.ak

.... also Ashton? Incredible? Where? When?

durkadurka

Alice

Cill Dara Abu

durkadurka wrote: »

Alice

Alice? Who the fcuk is Alice?

Jess16

.ak wrote: »

.... also Ashton? Incredible? Where? When?

I already acknowledged that SOB did well, I was referring to the sudden onset of praise as though it was some sort of revelation, when in reality it was a performance consistent with how he's played all year.

Re. Ashton -the fact that England wouldn't have even made the final eight if it wasn't for his late try against Scotland for a start. Also, the guy is 24 years old -don't let the fact that he's a flamboyant moron cloud your perspective regarding his ability

durkadurka

She was in the O2 ads

swordofislam

handsomecake wrote: »

he is in the top 4 is say.todays performance was imperious supposedly on one foot. they reckon he could be out for six months after tournament.

wouldnt be surprised if he won it. a braver player i havnt seen. and he aint a big man by backrow standards

They'll award it to McCaw of course. You hiv t frunt tup. Boring though the New Zealanders aren't they? The team I mean not necessarily the people. No energy no excitement just tedious competence. They are the chartered accountants of world rugby. Of course we employ chartered accountants to let us cheat the spirit of the rules while obeying their form.

handsomecake wrote: »

dagg for me.a serious class act.

kaino close second.best forward anyway.manhandling people.picked ioane up a yard from the AB's line and carried him backwards.also put in a rib tickler on mccabe today

Class is the last thing I'd associate with Dagg. Pocock for the way he carried the Wobblies today. Sean O'Brien for Ireland's first win against Australia in the Southern Hemisphere. Tedious to hear about All Blacks isn't it. Hideously dull team and frankly cheats.


I would pick Dusartois but if I HAD to pick a Kiwi I would pick Piri Weepu. Piri Weepu has alot of heart and unlike the loathsome Dagg he actually has class. DINCAAHDUH !! would've choked.

gally74

Dagg

danthefan

Roberts
Kaino
McCaw
Dagg

matthew8

swordofislam wrote: »

They'll award it to McCaw of course. You hiv t frunt tup. Boring though the New Zealanders aren't they? The team I mean not necessarily the people. No energy no excitement just tedious competence. They are the chartered accountants of world rugby. Of course we employ chartered accountants to let us cheat the spirit of the rules while obeying their form.

Class is the last thing I'd associate with Dagg. Pocock for the way he carried the Wobblies today. Sean O'Brien for Ireland's first win against Australia in the Southern Hemisphere. Tedious to hear about All Blacks isn't it. Hideously dull team and frankly cheats.


I would pick Dusartois but if I HAD to pick a Kiwi I would pick Piri Weepu. Piri Weepu has alot of heart and unlike the loathsome Dagg he actually has class. DINCAAHDUH !! would've choked.

Jeez you clearly hate New Zealand. They're very enjoyable to watch.

.ak

Jess16 wrote: »

I already acknowledged that SOB did well, I was referring to the sudden onset of praise as though it was some sort of revelation, when in reality it was a performance consistent with how he's played all year.

Re. Ashton -the fact that England wouldn't have even made the final eight if it wasn't for his late try against Scotland for a start. Also, the guy is 24 years old -don't let the fact that he's a flamboyant moron cloud your perspective regarding his ability

Yeah I acknowledge that behind Ashton's foolishness there is talent. But he's no where near the class some pundits rate him at. Especially not at this WC. He was VERY subdued compared to the performance he had in the 6N.

handsomecake

swordofislam wrote: »

handsomecake wrote: »

he is in the top 4 is say.todays performance was imperious supposedly on one foot. they reckon he could be out for six months after tournament.

wouldnt be surprised if he won it. a braver player i havnt seen. and he aint a big man by backrow standards

They'll award it to McCaw of course. You hiv t frunt tup. Boring though the New Zealanders aren't they? The team I mean not necessarily the people. No energy no excitement just tedious competence. They are the chartered accountants of world rugby. Of course we employ chartered accountants to let us cheat the spirit of the rules while obeying their form.

handsomecake wrote: »

dagg for me.a serious class act.

kaino close second.best forward anyway.manhandling people.picked ioane up a yard from the AB's line and carried him backwards.also put in a rib tickler on mccabe today

Class is the last thing I'd associate with Dagg. Pocock for the way he carried the Wobblies today. Sean O'Brien for Ireland's first win against Australia in the Southern Hemisphere. Tedious to hear about All Blacks isn't it. Hideously dull team and frankly cheats.


I would pick Dusartois but if I HAD to pick a Kiwi I would pick Piri Weepu. Piri Weepu has alot of heart and unlike the loathsome Dagg he actually has class. DINCAAHDUH !! would've choked.

Xenophobic, unsubstantiated , borderline trolling. Dross

tolosenc

Jess16 wrote: »

I think SOB did great but I don't get the sudden love-in
-anyone who saw his 6N performance and how he's played for Leinster this year would have expected even more from him in the WC

Yeah, the media down under were kind of fawning over him, and I was watching, going, these are actually very average performances by comparison to some of the stuff he did last season. It was nice to see him so heavily bigged up down under, especially when they tend to write off NH rugby.

Fireball07

Nothing too revolutionary from me...Dagg was the first name that came to mind, he's a class act.

But depending on final performances, there could be a change in that. I thought McCaw was superb today and if he had a great final (and they won it) plus the whole leading them to the title, he could be a deserved winner.

I'd say the same with Kaino and Kahui, and possibly Jane too.


For the French...Harinordoquy has been brilliant imo- and Bonnaire and Dusautoir have been good in some matches. Nothing really close to player of the tournament standard but if they win it, and they have good games it's a possibility.


Outside of them...Warburton, Priestland, Phillips, Pocock, Ferris, O'Brien- but I don't think any of them are realistic candidates tbh. A NZ player will win it if NZ win. If the French win...who knows

Dr.Evil

Aside from today, what other games was Jane good in? That's just a genuine question, I haven't seen him that much..

matthew8

Dr.Evil wrote: »

Aside from today, what other games was Jane good in? That's just a genuine question, I haven't seen him that much..

He was also very good against Argentina, he's been the best player of the knockout stages.

Dr.Evil

matthew8 wrote: »

He was also very good against Argentina, he's been the best player of the knockout stages.

Ah okay, I missed that game. He was great today though.

I'd agree with pretty much what's been said already. Dagg has had a great tournament, Priestland has boosted his reputation in it, Roberts, Warburton, O'Brien, Kaino..Nonu was great too.

[Jackass]

Pocock, McCaw & Warburrton as well as Sean O'Brien and Ferris must all be given a mention. It was a world cup of the 7's / back-row, and now, more than ever, the obvious need for an out and out 7 and not three ball carriers is evident.

Hopefully Kidney takes note and brings Jennings and Johnny O'Connor to training more and even brings in young guys like Dom Ryan to try and mould them from a young age. Sean O'Brien and Heaslip learnt a lot from Rocky, but there's no real 7 to teach the dark arts in Irish rugby. Perhaps Keith Gleeson should take up a coaching role in the academies. None of Ferris, O'Brien or Wallace are 7's.

OldRio

McCaw ????

Did he play in any of their early games?????

Joke, must be.

iroced

pickarooney wrote: »

Bonnaire has been the standouf French forward but he won't get near an shortlists.

Agree.

swordofislam wrote: »

They'll award it to McCaw of course.

Agree... If they win (which is likely so).

If we managed to put on our usual great World Cup game, it could come to Parra. He's been convincing enough playing outhalf (one of the only one to break Wales defense several times in the semi) and flawless in his kicking. Hope he''ll continue for the final.

OldRio wrote: »

McCaw ????

Did he play in any of their early games?????

Joke, must be.

As much as I may agree with you for his playing, they'll probably go for the "facts" if New Zealand win: He'd be the (only second) AB captain to win the Webb Ellis trophy, he is the most capped NZ player of their history etc... etc...

Fishooks12

swordofislam wrote: »

They'll award it to McCaw of course. You hiv t frunt tup. Boring though the New Zealanders aren't they? The team I mean not necessarily the people. No energy no excitement just tedious competence. They are the chartered accountants of world rugby. Of course we employ chartered accountants to let us cheat the spirit of the rules while obeying their form.

Class is the last thing I'd associate with Dagg. Pocock for the way he carried the Wobblies today. Sean O'Brien for Ireland's first win against Australia in the Southern Hemisphere. Tedious to hear about All Blacks isn't it. Hideously dull team and frankly cheats.


I would pick Dusartois but if I HAD to pick a Kiwi I would pick Piri Weepu. Piri Weepu has alot of heart and unlike the loathsome Dagg he actually has class. DINCAAHDUH !! would've choked.

Probably the worst post I've ever read on the rugby forum

Whatever about the fact that it's nearly illegible, the fact that this guy thinks the Kiwis are boring and thinks Daag is ****e is hilarious

I've taken the liberty to highlight the more laughable aspects of the post

.ak

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Probably the worst post I've ever read on the rugby forum

Whatever about the fact that it's nearly illegible, the fact that this guy thinks the Kiwis are boring and thinks Daag is ****e is hilarious

I've taken the liberty to highlight the more laughable aspects of the post

I read the first line then just ignored the rest. What a joker. :rolleyes:

RugGol

Mike Phillips - Wales are the 2nd best team in the comp (after NZ) - He has been a huge player for them and scored vital tries against Ire and Fra

swordofislam

matthew8 wrote: »

Jeez you clearly hate New Zealand. They're very enjoyable to watch.

I love New Zealanders. I haven't been to New Zealand couldn't afford the time for the RWC and it is probably too far for the scenery. New Zealanders are hard working, likeable people who would always go out of their way for a friend and who are always fair if often harsh. But they are completely tedious and precious about their Rugby team.

Respect for the Haka, McCaw constantly chatting to the ref, faking blood injuries, whining about Adidas, setting out to injure players, constantly playing over the line, the gollum like evil manager, booing kickers the list goes on and on and on.

The New Zealand rugby team doesn't just reflect a bad side of the NZ character it is completely disconnected from their national character. Of course the guys themselves are great guys look at Umaga when he propped up Charvis and called over the medic. That was his own character. Look at Umaga when he spear tackled O'Driscolll. That was Graham Henry's character.

swordofislam

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Probably the worst post I've ever read on the rugby forum

Whatever about the fact that it's nearly illegible, the fact that this guy thinks the Kiwis are boring and thinks Daag is ****e is hilarious

I've taken the liberty to highlight the more laughable aspects of the post

The Kiwis are boring. It is robotic Rugby. Where is the humanity? Dagg may be a good player but his behaviour is scumbag behaviour.

.ak

swordofislam wrote: »

The Kiwis are boring. It is robotic Rugby. Where is the humanity? Dagg may be a good player but his behaviour is scumbag behaviour.

How is it robotic? Because they're good at what they do? The play 15 man rugby when other teams an incapable of that, and you call them robotic?

Examples perhaps?

Have you ever played rugby?

What these guys are doing is incredible. As a neutral you have to look up to them and some of the players on the pitch as being inspirational if anything.

Dagg is class - in every sense of the word. Don't see where you're getting any reason to drag his name into the dirt. You'd love him if he played for your team.

.ak

... also I think you're confusing the word 'robotic' with the phrase 'good work ethic'.

Are Leinster robotic now they've improved their work ethic over the past two seasons?

andrewdcs

Limiting myself to semi finalists, ie. played throughout the tournament, Dagg, Nonu, Warburton, Weepu, Phillips or Clerc in that order.