Single Toilet

roundymac

Ryanair are to replace the two toilet's at the rear of their plane's with six seat's according to the Irish Examiner. Ryanair have Boeing to recertify the aircraft for 200pax & crew. It will be tested on the short haul routes, most of which Ryanair's are, however the Canairies is 4.5hours. Cost saving to passengers will be about €3 on a average ticket of €45. Boeing have refused to comment saying it's between them and the airline. Ryanair have dropped plans to charge for using the toilets on their planes saying that due to differing currences it would be unworkable.
Now is this going ahead or is this Ryanair rehashing the story for a bit of free advertising.

boeingboy

Free advertising, the other half is in there and NO way he will put an extra CCM onboard. Require 1 per 50 seats.

But ya never know. Too damn tight as it is with 189.

IrishB.ie

Could be worse, if Gerard Depardieu was running the airline, there would be no toilets, just plastic bottle(s).

L1011

Boeing won't recertify the planes. Ryanair are no longer in any position of power over Boeing. It'll cost Boeing insane amounts of money and the exit door configuration on the 737-800 only allows 189 pax. The 900's with the same exits are limited to 189 despite being longer.

Also the IAA won't let them have only 1 toilet either.

Its Ryanair trying to get free advertising, that's all.

Tenger

roundymac wrote: »

.......Now is this going ahead or is this Ryanair rehashing the story for a bit of free advertising.

Several angles here:
-the main one is to generate media attention for FR, always a reliable ploy by FR.
-In PR terms regardless of how plausible this story is is, it perpetrates the idea in the public mind that FR will do pretty much anything to lower fares.
-Lastly, if (when) Boeing and/or the IAA prevent this FR can claim that the establishment is preventing them lowering airfares for the flying public.

3/3 win scenario for FR.

xflyer

It's just Mick on his usual publicity seeking, thinking out loud nonsense. It would need re-certification of the aircraft as has already being pointed out. That isn't going to happen.

Apart from anything else, it's unrealistic, again as pointed out, the longer routes need the extra toilets. So you couldn't swop aircraft around. With one toilet, if it went down, the aircraft is grounded.

Plus the so called extra seats are of no benefit as in fact even in Ryanair many flights have empty seats. It would only be useful on sectors with constant full loads.

You have to hand it to MoL, he does like publicity. But it's all a bit silly now.

IngazZagni

You would be surprised by how many people buy into this stuff. Lots of people still think that charging for the toilet is imminent as well as those standing seats.
It works though. It reinforces the fact that Ryanair is cheap and for most people that's the main thing when they suddenly have to book a flight.

Foggles

Another money spinner: selling Travel Johns from the in flight cart.

Chuck Stone

He should fit 20 special commode seats that you could book if you intend to have a few beers.

buzzard

IngazZagni wrote: »

You would be surprised by how many people buy into this stuff. Lots of people still think that charging for the toilet is imminent as well as those standing seats.
It works though. It reinforces the fact that Ryanair is cheap and for most people that's the main thing when they suddenly have to book a flight.

Ryanair are not cheap, that's just a perception. I needed to book a same day return to Birmingham for a particular week (didn't matter what day) and looked at AL and FR. On each occasion FR was more expensive and in some cases, significantly more expensive. Alot of people just book with FR as they have bought into the MOL publicity train.

ro2

They're getting good advertising out of it in the US. It's been on CNN and the local news on a few of the channels in California.

IngazZagni

buzzard wrote: »

Ryanair are not cheap, that's just a perception. I needed to book a same day return to Birmingham for a particular week (didn't matter what day) and looked at AL and FR. On each occasion FR was more expensive and in some cases, significantly more expensive. Alot of people just book with FR as they have bought into the MOL publicity train.

In the vast majority of cases, Ryanair are cheaper. With flights to Birmingham, they are usually fairly cheap anyway so the difference would be small be but still present. Also remember AL also have hidden charges right at the end of the booking process, a lot of the time even more than FR. Yes I'm sure you will get an occasion where AL is cheaper than FR but that will be the exception, not the norm. If you were to book a flight to the Canaries, the prices will be noticeable, sometimes in the difference of over 100 Euro.

One thing is for sure though. It's FR that has driven AL's prices down over the years. Win win for us the consumers.

Eleganza

I can assure you that Ryanair to Frankfurt-Hahn has been more expensive than AerLingus to Frankfurt the last six months.
Ryanair are about perception of cheapness now, not real cheapness.
In reality they are charging more per seat and have higher occupancy than Aer Lingus on many routes.

IngazZagni

Eleganza wrote: »

I can assure you that Ryanair to Frankfurt-Hahn has been more expensive than AerLingus to Frankfurt the last six months.
Ryanair are about perception of cheapness now, not real cheapness.
In reality they are charging more per seat and have higher occupancy than Aer Lingus on many routes.

Well having checked myself, I think that is far from true. However if I were flying to Frankfurt, I would travel with AL as Hahn is a dump in the middle of nowhere.

LLU

ro2 wrote: »

They're getting good advertising out of it in the US. It's been on CNN and the local news on a few of the channels in California.

Yep, and you can be sure that Cooper, Hook, and all the other hard-nosed journalists:rolleyes: will have someone from Ryanair on the line talking about it, gobbling up the free publicity. MoL snaps his fingers and the sheep come running every time, it must give him such a laugh!

Eleganza

IngazZagni wrote: »

Well having checked myself, I think that is far from true. However if I were flying to Frankfurt, I would travel with AL as Hahn is a dump in the middle of nowhere.

I've been scanning fares for the last year as I now live in Germany and return to Ireland regularly.
When you add on the Credit Card charge for Ryanair which can be avoided with a widely accepted debit card on AerLingus website Ryanair is more expensive and it's a near 2 hour drive from Frankfurt and Heidelberg.
You also don't have a choice of cheaper off-site parking in Hahn which pushes up cost of travelling still further.
...Still what would I know since I only have direct experience of both on a regular basis.

IngazZagni

Eleganza wrote: »

I've been scanning fares for the last year as I now live in Germany and return to Ireland regularly.
When you add on the Credit Card charge for Ryanair which can be avoided with a widely accepted debit card on AerLingus website Ryanair is more expensive and it's a near 2 hour drive from Frankfurt and Heidelberg.
You also don't have a choice of cheaper off-site parking in Hahn which pushes up cost of travelling still further.
...Still what would I know since I only have direct experience of both on a regular basis.

I'm lost. I've done multiple searches for return flights later this month and even including the 12euro card fee, FR is much cheaper all the time. HOWEVER as I already mentioned if I were flying to Frankfurt I would never fly to Hahn. I would always fly with AL to Main.

Eleganza

Later this month? You mean in the next two weeks? That is absurdly short notice.
Try 4 to 5 weeks out or more and see which is cheaper....I did and surprise, surprise Aer Lingus is cheaper

Tenger

Take into account that all airlines price their flight differently depending on the point of origin.
-EG. DUB-HHN-DUB could be more then HHN-DUB-HHN on the same dates.
-EG, EI often have cheaper fares from the USA as they are trying to attract pax from outside their noraml market.

BostonB

Hes just taking the P...

Cheapest isn't simply about the cost to fly. If you have to incur costs to get to the flight, because it leave you further away from you're destination than another airline. That can make it more expensive.

buzzard

IngazZagni wrote: »

In the vast majority of cases, Ryanair are cheaper. With flights to Birmingham, they are usually fairly cheap anyway so the difference would be small be but still present. Also remember AL also have hidden charges right at the end of the booking process, a lot of the time even more than FR. Yes I'm sure you will get an occasion where AL is cheaper than FR but that will be the exception, not the norm. If you were to book a flight to the Canaries, the prices will be noticeable, sometimes in the difference of over 100 Euro.

One thing is for sure though. It's FR that has driven AL's prices down over the years. Win win for us the consumers.

I'm comparing like-for-like and FR was more expensive. It's the checkout cost I'm comparing and if you can't accept the word of other contributors, then there is no point in discussing.

Us consumers are more savy than before and look at the complete process cost so your argument does not stand about hidden charges.