Favre v Rodgers

Hmmmmmm.

So Favre reckons Rodgers just fell into a good situation and was surprised he didn't win the Superbowl sooner? Though he at least concedes that Aaron is a "good" player! In subsequent interviews he said he was surprised at the reaction and claims he was "gracious and complimentary".

I see Rodgers has been pretty diplomatic in his response, the usual bland "53 guys won the title, we can do it again" stuff.

It seems that Brett is almost going out of his way to tarnish his reputation even further amongst Packers fans. Maybe he doesn't care, that's his prerogative, but there does seem to be a trace of bitterness amongst the quotes carried in the media.

Pherekydes

I half thought Rodgers would win the SB as a first year starter, so I can see where Favre is coming from. When all is said and done, I expect Rodgers to have multiple rings. While he'll never overtake Favre's outrageous career stats, he will win multiple MVPs, rings and eh, he's already the career passer rating leader, both in the regular season and the play-offs.

After years of futility in the 80s, all I can say is, it's great to be a Packers' fan, with one future HOFer followed by another.

Peyton Manning

It's a nothing story, typical media overreaction. What Favre said is nowhere near an insult. Sports media in the US is disgusting at times but fools have lapped it up like it was some sort of thought out dig at Rodgers when it was anything but.

Spongey1975

I believe this is the media blowing things out of proportion. I dont believe there was any malice intended in what Favre said. He is right that Rodgers fell into a good situation. How many QBs get to sit behind one of the greatest of all time for 3 years and then inherit a team that went 13-3 the year before. So maybe there was some expectation for that team to win the superbowl sooner than they did.

D3PO

yeah its been blown out of proportion I reckon.

Sure give it 6-7 years and Rodgers will be saying the same thing about Flynn :p

bruschi

agree witht he above. I thought if Favre had to have stayed on then the Pack could have gone the next step the year after. It was an OT field goal in the ice that beat them in Lambeu in the NFC championship game, so to come in as starter the next season, you would be expecting good things.

why couldnt the media read it - 'Rodgers is so good, I expected him to win sooner'
rather than - 'I left a sucessful team, and Rodgers should have won it sooner if he was any good'.

me-skywalker

Pherekydes wrote: »

I half thought Rodgers would win the SB as a first year starter, so I can see where Favre is coming from. When all is said and done, I expect Rodgers to have multiple rings. While he'll never overtake Favre's outrageous career stats, he will win multiple MVPs, rings and eh, he's already the career passer rating leader, both in the regular season and the play-offs.

After years of futility in the 80s, all I can say is, it's great to be a Packers' fan, with one future HOFer followed by another.

Nail on head... While the debate has been Brady V Manning, Favre has been overlooked with all the stats but only the 1 ring, Rodgers will be in that debate after another ring win and years to have the stats built up.

D3PO

me-skywalker wrote: »

Nail on head... While the debate has been Brady V Manning, Favre has been overlooked with all the stats but only the 1 ring, Rodgers will be in that debate after another ring win and years to have the stats built up.

Farve has never been overlooked and especially not because he only has 1 ring. Sure Manning only has 1 ring so that makes absolutly no sense at all.

me-skywalker

D3PO wrote: »

Farve has never been overlooked and especially not because he only has 1 ring. Sure Manning only has 1 ring so that makes absolutly no sense at all.

In fairness its always a Brady V Manning topic, and Favre is then brought into, of course Manning with the 1 ring is on a par in that respect with Favre, but he has always been considered behind these 2. While Rodgers has the potential to overlap all 3, in terms of success and QB stats, ratings, TD's, avg. yards, total yards, attempts, accuracy, etc. maybe not all but certainly most.

D3PO

me-skywalker wrote: »

In fairness its always a Brady V Manning topic, and Favre is then brought into, of course Manning with the 1 ring is on a par in that respect with Favre, but he has always been considered behind these 2. While Rodgers has the potential to overlap all 3, in terms of success and QB stats, ratings, TD's, avg. yards, total yards, attempts, accuracy, etc. maybe not all but certainly most.

Just becasue its been a Manning v Brady conversation doesnt mean Farve was overlooked.

A large part of the reason the conversation is/was Manning V Brady was that they were both in the same conference.

Nobody has overlooked Farve . You dont get to the Hall of Fame if you were overlooked and we all know hes going to Canton.

Equally nobody is overlooking Rodgers but it will still always be a Manning v Brady discussion. Maybe we can start a parrallel Rodgers v Brees one

FlutterinBantam

D3PO wrote: »

Just becasue its been a Manning v Brady conversation doesnt mean Farve was overlooked.

A large part of the reason the conversation is/was Manning V Brady was that they were both in the same conference.

Nobody has overlooked Farve . You dont get to the Hall of Fame if you were overlooked and we all know hes going to Canton.

Equally nobody is overlooking Rodgers but it will still always be a Manning v Brady discussion. Maybe we can start a parrallel Rodgers v Brees one

Indeed, was listening to a similar debate on some Wi. radio show and the gist of it was that #4 would always throw you three.

Rogers doesn't do that.


Both are HOFamers.

BillN

Comparing top quarterbacks seems easy if you just quote stats. There are intangibles to reckon with though. In the long run, I am hoping that Rodgers will have multiple rings ( not to jinx him). There's room at the top for both Favre and Rodgers. Must have been a slow news day when Favre made those comments for journalists to build it up as they did.

I think people are being generous to Favre by blaming the media.

Let's face it, Favre stating that Rodgers is a "good" player, without any spin or media twist, seems a bit mealy mouthed. By any stretch he is a good player and then some. At best I think Favre was a bit silly to leave comments open to interpretation, it would have been easier for him to say "the Packers are great, Rodgers is great" and trot out the usual fare instead of inviting scrutiny and comment by understatement.

eagle eye

Deleted User wrote: »

I think people are being generous to Favre by blaming the media.

Let's face it, Favre stating that Rodgers is a "good" player, without any spin or media twist, seems a bit mealy mouthed. By any stretch he is a good player and then some. At best I think Favre was a bit silly to leave comments open to interpretation, it would have been easier for him to say "the Packers are great, Rodgers is great" and trot out the usual fare instead of inviting scrutiny and comment by understatement.

No just no.

Its people like you that think that everybody has hidden meanings in what they say that are the problem.

This is just a stupid thread because its about somebody just being complimentary and not hugely complimentary about another player who is only in his 4th starting season in the NFL.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

No just no.

Its people like you that think that everybody has hidden meanings in what they say that are the problem.

This is just a stupid thread because its about somebody just being complimentary and not hugely complimentary about another player who is only in his 4th starting season in the NFL.

Ah no no no.

Let's be clear about one thing.

You don't know me at all.

Relax a little. Learn not to judge people on their analysis of one comment by one former quarterback. As for the "people like you" comment, most amusing. But leave the character analysis to people who actually know me.

I think Favre comes across as a little bitter. Many people have commented on this. I think the Channel 4 analyst made the exact same point last Monday morning. So there's at least two of us. Maybe we're both the problem...whatever THAT means!

As for it being a "stupid thread"...pffffffffft...I see you are contributing...

tallaghtoutlaws

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah no no no.

Let's be clear about one thing.

You don't know me at all.

Relax a little. Learn not to judge people on their analysis of one comment by one former quarterback. As for the "people like you" comment, most amusing. But leave the character analysis to people who actually know me.

I think Favre comes across as a little bitter. Many people have commented on this. I think the Channel 4 analyst made the exact same point last Monday morning. So there's at least two of us. Maybe we're both the problem...whatever THAT means!

As for it being a "stupid thread"...pffffffffft...I see you are contributing...

What I don't get is why people are getting all hot and bothered about what Favre says. Even if he is bitter, so what. He didn't say anything bad about Rodgers and the way the media are taking it up you would swear he said Rodgers was sh1t.

As for the bitter thing I know many folk in Sconnie who feel the same way as you about Favre attitude towards Green Bay.

Look at it this way do you think Rodgers gives a fook what Brett Favre thinks? No he doesn't so why should any of us. I love Brett and personally don't care what he thinks of Rodgers who I also love.

But with everything Brett Favre the Media need to make a meal of it and try flame a non issue.

Chucky the tree

Here is the full quote of it.

I'm going to be honest, I was not surprised. The biggest surprise to me would be that he didn't do it sooner. My last year in Green Bay prior to the first game, I made the remark that this was probably the most talented team that I've ever played on. And of course everyone looked up and was like, 'This guy's off his rocker.'

"We were very, very young; take me out of the mix and we were by far the youngest team in the league. But I could see the talent pool across the board was outstanding. Now our season kind of ended up being a reflection of that. We came close, and I think we took a lot of people by surprise, but guys emerged rather quickly. Aaron had a chance…even though the last couple years it's seemed like he's almost a rookie, he's been around awhile. And I'd like to think that he watched, he learned, and then when he got a chance to play, he brought in his ability which is obviously very good or they wouldn't have drafted him in the first round. He's got tremendous talent, he's very bright and he got a chance to watch and see successful teams do it right.

"And so, he just kind of fell into a good situation. On top of that, he's a good player. I don't think there's any pressure on him now, the talent around him is even better than when I was there. So I'm really kind of surprised it took him so long. In the early part of last year season, it hadn't quite clicked yet and I didn't know it would. I just kind of figured when they hit their stride, they're going to be hard to beat. And that's what happened.

He does call him a tremendous talent and very good which obviously gets lost because this won't create the drama the media wanted. Also, the reason Favre is never in the Manning and Brady discussion is because he was never as good as those guys at that time.

eagle eye

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah no no no.

Let's be clear about one thing.

You don't know me at all.

Relax a little. Learn not to judge people on their analysis of one comment by one former quarterback. As for the "people like you" comment, most amusing. But leave the character analysis to people who actually know me.

I think Favre comes across as a little bitter. Many people have commented on this. I think the Channel 4 analyst made the exact same point last Monday morning. So there's at least two of us. Maybe we're both the problem...whatever THAT means!

As for it being a "stupid thread"...pffffffffft...I see you are contributing...

Well I'm sorry but based on your comments here where you describe Favre as 'mealy mouthed' and say he is full of bitterness which are just ludicrous imo, its clear that you are taking some meanings from his comments which are not there.

You even stress that he only called Rogers a 'good' player when in the statement he says 'very good'.

You started a thread about it here, you called him the above. I read the comments there and all I see is a guy being complimentary not only to Aaron Rodgers but to every player on that Packers team. Where is the harm in that

TaosHum

I dont think his comments are offensive or an attempt to bate Rodgers, but I think he does undermine Rodgers contribution abit. Sure thats a very good Packers team outside of the QB, but not every QB is capable of taking very good teams to the next level and win a championship.

I mean, Favre had a very good side in Minnesota but was unable to win a championship. So its not as easy to win a championship with a very good squad of players as he makes it out to be. Otherewise Mark Sanchez/Joe Flacco would have a SB ring at this point.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I'm sorry but based on your comments here where you describe Favre as 'mealy mouthed' and say he is full of bitterness which are just ludicrous imo

Ah but that's because you have made up those comments and wrongly attributed them to me, and I never said them.

For a man who wants people like Favre to be very accurately quoted, it's a little amusing!

For starters, I did not say Favre was "mealy mouthed", I said his comment seemed a little mealy mouthed, which is different.

I did not say he was "full of bitterness", I said he "comes across as a little bitter".

Terrible when things get twisted isn't it? I won't get all excited though, and start going on about people who do such things being "the problem" (I'm still not sure what that even means!).

Dohnny Jepp

Deleted User wrote: »

For starters, I did not say Favre was "mealy mouthed", I said his comment seemed a little mealy mouthed, which is different.
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Oh this quote makes sense, or does it seem to make a little sense.

Just cause you try and phrase it nicely doesnt change the meaning that was intended.

me-skywalker

D3PO wrote: »

Maybe we can start a parrallel Rodgers v Brees one

Haha.. yes.. alas then we can have the Big Ben Brigade weigh in

frostie500

Seems like a complete non story to me as well. Obviously everything Favre says will be eaten up by the press but no need for this to be taken as "if i was QB we would have won sooner" kind of story

Dohnny Jepp

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

Just cause you try and phrase it nicely doesnt change the meaning that was intended.

Either way, pffffffffffffffffffft.

I'm not the topic, Favre is. Do you have an opinion on his comments?

Peyton Manning

Deleted User wrote: »

Either way, pffffffffffffffffffft.

I'm not the topic, Favre is. Do you have an opinion on his comments?

I think it's quite clear he thinks both you and the media are full of shít tbh.

Stop looking for a story where there isn't one.

Cam Newton

Cam Newton wrote: »

I think it's quite clear he thinks both you and the media are full of shít tbh.

That would be a little bit weird. He doesn't know me.

Sheesh, people get very hot and bothered about Brett Favre, personal stuff, swearing etc. Whatever happened to the 'I disagree', without the tears and hysteria?!