Goodbye Christmas, Hello Winter Holidays

Locker10a · 10-10-2011 8:37pm #1

http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/news-extra/article/191361/thomas-the-tank-engine-creators-cancel-christmas.html

Im no devoute Catholic, infact i despise the church and their carry-on. (However i still belive in god)Im a very openminded and liberal person, im not racist in any way, i live and let live but i think out culture and heritage is important and should be valued and i think this is a sad day. Christmas is part of out culture here and should not be changed because it is not part of certain peoples culture/religion.

One of my bestfriends is English and she told me of how Christmas lights are now called winter lights there! I was like wtf?
She told me it was because it was said using the word "christmas was racist and discriminated against the Islam culture"

Not i have nothing agains Muslims, or anyone else but what i dont like is how we change things like christmas to suite people from another country and culture, especially when they dont do the same for us?
Im really disapointed this is happening. If you are muslim and want to live in West Europe/North America, come on in! I have no problem, but dont expect us to change our values to suite you?
* am not racist and what i say does not just apply to the Islam religion/culture but all varying cultures/religions.

AnamGlas · 10-10-2011 8:38pm

There's fucking stupid, then there's that.

ejmaztec · 10-10-2011 8:39pm

Happy Festivus.

chin_grin · 10-10-2011 8:39pm

Neither are you a devout Catholic.

Wacca wacca! :pac:

Also it's political correctness gone mad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGAOCVwLrXo

Wertz · 10-10-2011 8:40pm

It's PC gone mad I tells ya, disgrace etc.

FatherLen · 10-10-2011 8:40pm

i think we should be calling it Kwanzaa anyway

mikemac · 10-10-2011 8:40pm

Locker10a wrote: »

im not racist in any way,

* am not racist

Chill OP
Nobody said you were

the groutch · 10-10-2011 8:40pm

Have a proper bo Crim-bo

mackg · 10-10-2011 8:40pm

I wonder how this thread is going to turn out...:rolleyes:

starbelgrade · 10-10-2011 8:41pm

DEY TUK UUR CHRISTMAS!!!

Where To · 10-10-2011 8:41pm

Its not even Pumpkin day yet. . . .

Dudess · 10-10-2011 8:42pm

Meh, I'll continue to call it Christmas, I'll celebrate it as Christmas - and nobody's going to arrest me for it. Just because a few local authorities in England refer to it at an official level as Winter Holidays doesn't mean people cannot dare refer to it as Christmas on these islands.

Nothing's been changed. In America, there's all the "happy holidays" stuff for years and years - has Christmas been outlawed?

There really isn't a need to get so worried about this kinda abstract stuff. Removing a nativity scene from a hospital though, yes, I would object to that.

InkSlinger67 · 10-10-2011 8:43pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

Happy Festivus.

I'm not mad on the whole process of Festivus tbh. I'd be happy enough with the Feats of Strength and the Airing of the Grievances only

Dotrel · 10-10-2011 8:44pm

Couldn't care less what they call it. It's all just nonsense that is perpetuated by advertisers and marketeers in order to help sell 25% of their stock of useless unwanted crap in one just 1week.

They could call it Annual Gift Season and it wouldn't make a bit of difference. Actually "Annual Gift Day" has a nice ring to it. In fact the only reason it's probably even being mooted for a change is not to do with PC and is instead so these sellers of crap can weasel themselves in to non Christian wallets also.

Temptamperu · 10-10-2011 8:46pm

I cant foresee the muslims changing there holidays as not to offend us somehow.

ejmaztec · 10-10-2011 8:46pm

InkSlinger67 wrote: »

I'm not mad on the whole process of Festivus tbh. I'd be happy enough with the Feats of Strength and the Airing of the Grievances only

If that was restricted to one day, I'd have feck all to do for the rest of the year.:(

Ghost Buster · 10-10-2011 8:47pm

Locker10a wrote: »

http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/news-extra/article/191361/thomas-the-tank-engine-creators-cancel-christmas.html

Im no devoute Catholic, infact i despise the church and their carry-on. (However i still belive in god)Im a very openminded and liberal person, im not racist in any way, i live and let live but i think out culture and heritage is important and should be valued and i think this is a sad day. Christmas is part of out culture here and should not be changed because it is not part of certain peoples culture/religion.

One of my bestfriends is English and she told me of how Christmas lights are now called winter lights there! I was like wtf?
She told me it was because it was said using the word "christmas was racist and discriminated against the Islam culture"

Not i have nothing agains Muslims, or anyone else but what i dont like is how we change things like christmas to suite people from another country and culture, especially when they dont do the same for us?
Im really disapointed this is happening. If you are muslim and want to live in West Europe/North America, come on in! I have no problem, but dont expect us to change our values to suite you?
* am not racist and what i say does not just apply to the Islam religion/culture but all varying cultures/religions.

Islam isnt a race. Epic fail by so very many.

Christmas was originally Yule and a multitude of other names with nothing to do with that Christ Johnny come lately. Its only another name change. Pressies and drink and food will remain.

Ruu_Old · 10-10-2011 8:47pm

Happy Love Day!

-Mr. Costington

Haelium · 10-10-2011 8:50pm

I couldn't give a **** what we call it, but I'm going to point out that "Christmas" is based on European Pagan tradition, in fact there is a passage in the bible...

Hear the word that the Lord speaks to you, O house of Israel. Thus says the Lord: “Learn not the way of the nations, nor be dismayed at the signs of the heavens because the nations are dismayed at them, for the customs of the peoples are vanity. A tree from the forest is cut down and worked with an axe by the hands of a craftsman. They decorate it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so that it cannot move. Their idols are like scarecrows in a cucumber field, and they cannot speak; they have to be carried, for they cannot walk. Do not be afraid of them, for they cannot do evil, neither is it in them to do good.”

So happy holidays is more accurate.

ejmaztec · 10-10-2011 8:50pm

Temptamperu wrote: »

I cant foresee the muslims changing there holidays as not to offend us somehow.

We're PC push-overs.:(

Latchy · 10-10-2011 8:52pm

When the English were told to take their St Georges flag down in case it offended non - British - non - christian members of the population ( who to be fair are not on record of complaining much ..or at all ) you knew then the loony PC brigade had taken over but not for to long ... the tide may be turning

Dudess · 10-10-2011 8:52pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

We're PC push-overs.:(

"We"? It happened in England.

cocoshovel · 10-10-2011 8:52pm

Closing this thread before I get banned

Locker10a · 10-10-2011 8:53pm

Dotrel wrote: »

Couldn't care less what they call it. It's all just nonsense that is perpetuated by advertisers and marketeers in order to help sell 25% of their stock of useless unwanted crap in one just 1week.

They could call it Annual Gift Season and it wouldn't make a bit of difference. Actually "Annual Gift Day" has a nice ring to it. In fact the only reason it's probably even being mooted for a change is not to do with PC and is instead so these sellers of crap can weasel themselves in to non Christian wallets also.

I know i get your point but what annoys me is that people are offended at our culture! I know the whole Christmas thing is commericalised! But can you imagine the uproar in Yemen/Packistan,UAE etc if we went over and said "we live here now and we are offended by your loud bell thing you use when its time to pray, can you turn it off [lease, Thanks"
Or if we went to India and started major beef and dairy production businesses!

Paparazzo · 10-10-2011 8:53pm

Locker10a wrote: »

Not i have nothing agains Muslims........ If you are muslim and want to live in West Europe/North America, come on in!* am not racist and what i say does not just apply to the Islam religion/culture but all varying cultures/religions.

Temptamperu wrote: »

I cant foresee the muslims changing there holidays as not to offend us somehow.

I read the article twice, think i missed out the part about "the muslims" ordering this to be changed.

the groutch · 10-10-2011 8:53pm

I like the Japanese idea of replacing the turkey with KFC (no joke)

InkSlinger67 · 10-10-2011 8:54pm

mackg wrote: »

I wonder how this thread is going to turn out...:rolleyes:

David Kelly stole my thunder today....minutes after he challenged Martin McGuinness about his murdered father and the cameras went away, I held up a picture of a Christmas Tree and asked him if he knew who killed Christmas! :mad:

Morag · 10-10-2011 8:54pm

International toy company changed the script of a DVD to increase thier market share shocker!

Seriously your getting stroppy over that?

Ghost Buster · 10-10-2011 8:58pm

Locker10a wrote: »

I know i get your point but what annoys me is that people are offended at our culture! I know the whole Christmas thing is commericalised! But can you imagine the uproar in Yemen/Packistan,UAE etc if we went over and said "we live here now and we are offended by your loud bell thing you use when its time to pray, can you turn it off [lease, Thanks"
Or if we went to India and started major beef and dairy production businesses!

What aspects of Christmas are "OUR" culture exactly?

ejmaztec · 10-10-2011 8:58pm

Dudess wrote: »

"We"? It happened in England.

I must be predicting the future by accident.

Dotrel · 10-10-2011 8:58pm

Locker10a wrote: »

I know i get your point but what annoys me is that people are offended at our culture! I know the whole Christmas thing is commericalised! But can you imagine the uproar in Yemen/Packistan,UAE etc if we went over and said "we live here now and we are offended by your loud bell thing you use when its time to pray, can you turn it off [lease, Thanks"
Or if we went to India and started major beef and dairy production businesses!

Have you been to those countries? I haven't. I don't know what it's like or what they think over there about Christian attitudes. But it's a bit easy to paint the majority of Muslims as fanatics.

As for it going on over here, I'd say deep down most of them don't give a **** about retaining the name Christmas or not, especially when they consider they've chosen to live in a predominantly Christian culture.

Deep down it's just a lot of media lies to push their fear agenda.

Locker10a · 10-10-2011 9:01pm

Paparazzo wrote: »

I read the article twice, think i missed out the part about "the muslims" ordering this to be changed.

Like i said i heard it was because of the Islam religion from my friend who lived in england and she told me about how they were offended by the term "christmas" She also said bus stop adds and bilboards displaying addverts of scantly dressed women were vandalised and the women in the adds were given spray painted burkas etc!!

Haelium · 10-10-2011 9:02pm

Locker10a wrote: »

Like i said i heard it was because of the Islam religion from my friend who lived in england and she told me about how they were offended by the term "christmas" She also said bus stop adds and bilboards displaying addverts of scantly dressed women were vandalised and the women in the adds were given spray painted burkas etc!!

And my friend says that the Jews did 9/11.

noxqs · 10-10-2011 9:05pm

Christmas is originally a celebration of Winter Solstice. Fact.
Easter - also lines up perfectly with old pagan dates of celebration, and so on and so forth.

Quite frankly it was a bit hard to convince people back then to give up their joyous pagan rituals for this Christ guy, and so, the dates just happened to align. Why the hell do you think the old celtic/viking influenced areas got christmas trees (which wasn't originally called that of course) in the first place? Yule logs etc? It certainly has nothing, at all, do to with christ.

At all.

krudler · 10-10-2011 9:06pm

I wont have the true meaning of christmas sullied,anyway everyone knows what christmas is really about, its where our one lord and saviour John McClane saved all those souls in Nakatomi plaza and made good with Holly. but not before dropping Hans out a window.

amen.

Locker10a · 10-10-2011 9:07pm

Ghost Buster wrote: »

What aspects of Christmas are "OUR" culture exactly?

Christmas is a christian thing i know, But We have always used "christmas, easter, Saint Patricks day" anyway despite out religion! Why should we change be cause it offends a group of people(small group i should say) who have a different culture. Its not doing any harm we are not invading their culture! They chose life here, so!

My name is URL · 10-10-2011 9:09pm

Support the Agnosticism forum :pac:

Locker10a · 10-10-2011 9:09pm

Haelium wrote: »

And my friend says that the Jews did 9/11.

If you wanna belive im racist or whatever, go ahead!!! Dont really care wot ya think!
I know im not anyway

Killer Pigeon · 10-10-2011 9:10pm

Well, they are the Winter Holidays, aren't they?

Haelium · 10-10-2011 9:11pm

Locker10a wrote: »

Christmas is a christian thing i know, But We have always used "christmas, easter, Saint Patricks day" anyway despite out religion! Why should we change be cause it offends a group of people(small group i should say) who have a different culture. Its not doing any harm we are not invading their culture! They chose life here, so!

But they were pagan holidays, they're changing the names just like the Christians did when they invaded.

Locker10a wrote: »

If you wanna belive im racist or whatever, go ahead!!! Dont really care wot ya think!
I know im not anyway

I was trying to point out how what "Friends" say is a little silly.

efb · 10-10-2011 9:11pm

Did Christians not just rob the pagan midwinter festival? Im celebrating Samhain this year!

General General · 10-10-2011 9:11pm

How about Happy Paganismus...? or... Happy Ye-gods-day?

InkSlinger67 · 10-10-2011 9:12pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

If that was restricted to one day, I'd have feck all to do for the rest of the year.:(

Airing of grievances in-person is much more fun tbh! Plus you have the added bonus of them not being allowed to respond before you're finished.....doesn't happen around here much nowadays!

Haelium · 10-10-2011 9:12pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Well, they are the Winter Holidays, aren't they?

Not on the southern hemisphere.

efb · 10-10-2011 9:13pm

Haelium wrote: »

Not on the southern hemisphere.

Are we in the southern hemisphere now???

krudler · 10-10-2011 9:13pm

Locker10a wrote: »

Christmas is a christian thing i know, But We have always used "christmas, easter, Saint Patricks day" anyway despite out religion! Why should we change be cause it offends a group of people(small group i should say) who have a different culture. Its not doing any harm we are not invading their culture! They chose life here, so!

It was a "winter holiday" long before they put the christ in it.

efb · 10-10-2011 9:14pm

Locker10a wrote: »

Christmas is a christian thing i know, But We have always used "christmas, easter, Saint Patricks day" anyway despite out religion! Why should we change be cause it offends a group of people(small group i should say) who have a different culture. Its not doing any harm we are not invading their culture! They chose life here, so!

We always?

Since when?

Wertz · 10-10-2011 9:14pm

Ghost Buster wrote: »

What aspects of Christmas are "OUR" culture exactly?

The drinking aspects.

Locker10a · 10-10-2011 9:14pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Well, they are the Winter Holidays, aren't they?

Yup dey are! But i think it would be sad to loose "christmas"crackers,"christmas"trees, "christmas"presents,"christmas"dinner,"christmas"lights , And cards that said Merry"christmas".
I know this wont happen but its the fact people are trying to make it happen that erks me!!
What will we call easter eggs when"easter" is forbidden ???

efb · 10-10-2011 9:15pm

Locker10a wrote: »

If you wanna belive im racist or whatever, go ahead!!! Dont really care wot ya think!
I know im not anyway

Do you know what racist is?

Wertz · 10-10-2011 9:15pm

Locker10a wrote: »

What will we call easter eggs when"easter" is forbidden ???

Chocolate ovals.

Goodbye Christmas, Hello Winter Holidays

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