Records of fighters question

MMA Man

Legends MMA Gym wrote: »

Looking for replacements to fight the following fighters:

Leigh Stewart: 77kg, C Class, Antrim MMA, Debut.

Just out of curiosity, & apologies if theres a mix up, but is that debutant Leigh Stewart this guy? Just wondering

http://www.mmauniverse.com/fighters/leigh-stewart-28458

cowzerp

Certainly not a debutant, ive seen Leigh a few times and he's pretty good-im sure he's more fights than Mma universe says also. Has to be a mistake about the debut

Performance Martial Arts

A mistake I would like cleared up as this lad was confirmed to fight my lad who has is certainly a debutant with no question so this could have been a very bad nite for my lad. I understand the promoter can only go on the info he gets from coaches so mabye the Antrim MMA coach can clear this up? Saying that my lad got injured in the end but us being a new club trying to break out I'd just like things to be fair for my guys as I have been honest with my info??

Legends MMA Gym

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

It is my understanding that all information given to me by coaches is correct. To pass on false information about any fighter (Junior, Amateur or Pro) is completely unacceptable and will not be tolerated. I would like to think that I have a good relationship with all the coaches I deal with in Man of War and that information such as records can be trusted. However, I have contacted the club in question and can quote them in saying that this was a breakdown in communication on their part and that the information given to me was an error and that there was no malice intended.

I would welcome the club in question to please comment and clarify on this.

L S

Leigh Stewart Here! Just replying to the above few posts, there has obviously been a mix-up between my coach and the promoter of man of war, this fight IS MY NEW C-CLASS RULES DEBUT and who ever has made the record and page up about me, will be found out and i will be naming and shaming them!!!!!

Barry.Oglesby

L S wrote: »

Leigh Stewart Here! Just replying to the above few posts, there has obviously been a mix-up between my coach and the promoter of man of war, this fight IS MY NEW C-CLASS RULES DEBUT and who ever has made the record and page up about me, will be found out and i will be naming and shaming them!!!!!

Was our fight pro or am Leigh? I can't remember? Anyway I'd vouch for your honesty

cowzerp

L S wrote: »

Leigh Stewart Here! Just replying to the above few posts, there has obviously been a mix-up between my coach and the promoter of man of war, this fight IS MY NEW C-CLASS RULES DEBUT and who ever has made the record and page up about me, will be found out and i will be naming and shaming them!!!!!

You cant just make up an MMA Universe record for someone-you have to find out who registered each event-you need a full event to be registered for your fight to be counted, so for example spartan promotions which your down as the main event and a pro fight most likely got posted up by I'd guess Marty walker jr, Cage of truth which your also down as a pro fight would have been by John Kavanagh most likely.

If they are false i would suggest you get onto the people who created them to try get them edited to factual information.

Performance Martial Arts

L S wrote: »

Leigh Stewart Here! Just replying to the above few posts, there has obviously been a mix-up between my coach and the promoter of man of war, this fight IS MY NEW C-CLASS RULES DEBUT and who ever has made the record and page up about me, will be found out and i will be naming and shaming them!!!!!

Hi leigh heres some info you might look at please,

• Martin Walker wrote: »

  Liegh Stewart (AMMA) Vs Mark Comiskey (3 Castles) LW B-Class Pro

john kavanagh wrote: »

Keith Norton v Leigh Stewart 70kgs (B)

So can you explain these then?? I was putting a very raw novice lad in for this fight as the info gave to the promoter clearly stated that you were of the same expierience so again i would like to hear from the Antrim MMA coach on this so it can be cleare up and no further mistakes can be made because this would have been a very un fair match up in my opinion.

Mick burke

Tito Ortiz

Would picking up the phone and asking the coach of Antrim MMA not be an idea?? If not already done...

I really hope we are not at the stage of people not giving correct records to get easier fights !!

Performance Martial Arts

Tito Ortiz wrote: »

Would picking up the phone and asking the coach of Antrim MMA not be an idea?? If not already done...

I really hope we are not at the stage of people not giving correct records to get easier fights !!

Yes but the fact that Leigh came on here and stated that this info was incorrect i just thought the Antrim coach might want to explain things as others may get the wrong impression. My lad got injured anyway but what if he didn, this fight would have went ahead and it could have certainly ended bad for my lad. I have no interest ringing the coach, if he wants to clear it up he can i just will be more carefull in the future.

cowzerp

Performance Martial Arts wrote: »

and it could have certainly ended bad for my lad.

Not could have-Would have, Noel is training what-7-8 Months and this would have been his debut full stop?

There has been some mistakes here and it would be good to have it clarified who made the mistakes and where they innocent or where they done to get easy fights.

This is between 2 clubs and a promoter and Mick has stated his position in it, would be good if all sides could defend themselves and explain what happened.

Tito Ortiz

cowzerp wrote: »

Not could have-Would have, Noel is training what-7-8 Months and this would have been his debut full stop?

There has been some mistakes here and it would be good to have it clarified who made the mistakes and where they innocent or where they done to get easy fights.

This is between 2 clubs and a promoter and Mick has stated his position in it, would be good if all sides could defend themselves and explain what happened.

Agree with Paul on this, although I fear if this was an innocent mistake or miscommunication it would have been cleared up easily.

The longer the other side on this matter stay quiet the more suspect it sounds.

Credit goes to MMA MAN for spotting it too.

Martin Walker

Knowing the people involved from Antrim this looks like a genuine mistake to me. I dont represent any Fighters from Antrim anymore however so i know nothing of this and cannot comment officially.
I do not know the promoter or the other Club as i never meet any of them before i left Ireland last year.
Leigh and the Managment from Antrim are honest people and would not try to get "an easy fight" in my opinion. All you have to do to see this is look at the fighters they have produce over the years and look at the standard of fighter they have fought. Ill use Martin Begley vs Greg Loughran as an example. Its just not the way they do things.
Also anyone thats waiting on them coming on here to "explaine themselves" could be waiting for a while. That was my role as fighter manager. Marty snr never uses these forums and im pretty sure he wont use it now. Its between the partys involved and can get sorted privately. Not on an internet Forum.

Performance Martial Arts

Martin Walker wrote: »

Knowing the people involved from Antrim this looks like a genuine mistake to me. I dont represent any Fighters from Antrim anymore however so i know nothing of this and cannot comment officially.
I do not know the promoter or the other Club as i never meet any of them before i left Ireland last year.
Leigh and the Managment from Antrim are honest people and would not try to get "an easy fight" in my opinion. All you have to do to see this is look at the fighters they have produce over the years and look at the standard of fighter they have fought. Ill use Martin Begley vs Greg Loughran as an example. Its just not the way they do things.
Also anyone thats waiting on them coming on here to "explaine themselves" could be waiting for a while. That was my role as fighter manager. Marty snr never uses these forums and im pretty sure he wont use it now. Its between the partys involved and can get sorted privately. Not on an internet Forum.

Hi Martin,
first off im not questioning any club credentials here or fighter records ether and im well aware of Antrim MMAs reputation. What i am questioning is the info i recieved from the promotor who has told me that this info came straight from the coach of Antrim and that Leigh was training about 22 months and had some kickboxing backround. Im just trying to look out for my fighters as im sure you being a former coach from there would do the same for your lads. Again i no my lad got injured but i still hate to think that if he hadn he would have probly been put off the sport for good. The only reason why im doing this on here is because it came to my attention on here and Leigh himself has stated that this record was made up and also the promotor has told me that the coach has said the same which clearly is not the case. With us only being just over one year old the last thing i want to do is to start anything with coaches that have been in the sport longer than me and whom i respect but the fact is there has been some miscommunication somewhere and it could have involved my lad having a very bad expierience for his debut fight. As i said i have no interest ringing the Antrim coach and if he wants to come on and explain he can or mabye you can pass on his reply seen as you have came on anyway.

Mick Burke

Martin Walker

Performance Martial Arts wrote: »

Hi Martin,
first off im not questioning any club credentials here or fighter records ether and im well aware of Antrim MMAs reputation. What i am questioning is the info i recieved from the promotor who has told me that this info came straight from the coach of Antrim and that Leigh was training about 22 months and had some kickboxing backround. Im just trying to look out for my fighters as im sure you being a former coach from there would do the same for your lads. Again i no my lad got injured but i still hate to think that if he hadn he would have probly been put off the sport for good. The only reason why im doing this on here is because it came to my attention on here and Leigh himself has stated that this record was made up and also the promotor has told me that the coach has said the same which clearly is not the case. With us only being just over one year old the last thing i want to do is to start anything with coaches that have been in the sport longer than me and whom i respect but the fact is there has been some miscommunication somewhere and it could have involved my lad having a very bad expierience for his debut fight. As i said i have no interest ringing the Antrim coach and if he wants to come on and explain he can or mabye you can pass on his reply seen as you have came on anyway.

Mick Burke

I understand fully where your coming from Mick and if it was me id feel the same. However this is not the place for you to seek answers because you wont get them here. This forum isnt the everything of Irish MMA. Im pretty sure you will see my dad soon enough at a show and if you still have a gripe you can ask him to his face about it. Im not being aggro about it at all i fully get your problems with this, but at the end of the day man it looks like a breakdown in communications to me. As for me relaying this back to him, well, thats not gonna happen either, simply because its not a big deal to me. Ill ring him next week when im due to but ill not talk about this because ive more imprtant things to talk about.
To be honest im not suprised this has happened with the recent "change" in rules. Not every one wants it yet its been pressed on. New C and Old C. Its a bit of a joke guys get your act together and sort this mess out.

cowzerp

Martin Walker wrote: »

To be honest im not suprised this has happened with the recent "change" in rules. Not every one wants it yet its been pressed on. New C and Old C. Its a bit of a joke guys get your act together and sort this mess out.

New c class debut means nothing if he has fought b class, which he has twice so you should be suprised-there is no complications with the rules, most people are using them and not putting fighters on shows in the old outdated rule set, the people dragging there feet and not moving with the times need to stop dragging there feet but there in a tiny minority anyway.

they'll fall behind if they don't move on but thats there problem.

Sid_Justice

I'm on Leigh's record, his only win! In the MMA league, what, 5 years ago.

I wasn't at Barry Oglesby's fight but it was definitely semi-pro no head shots on the ground. Video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKIMuZ_8d3U
I was at the COT fight against Keith Norton, and it was under the "B" class rule at the time. I believe Leigh took that fight at very late notice.

His mmauniverse record is accurate (and quite extensive).

Was the old 'B' class the equivalent rule set to the current 'C' class?

pablohoney87

When a fighter hi put forward you're supposed to provide any information relevant. be it mma league old rules or even any grades they hold. I'm confused as to how Mick was informed the fighter had only been training 22 months.

Sid_Justice

pablohoney87 wrote: »

When a fighter hi put forward you're supposed to provide any information relevant. be it mma league old rules or even any grades they hold. I'm confused as to how Mick was informed the fighter had only been training 22 months.

maybe it's the old polish trick they only count the days they trained so if you train for 10 years once a week that's really only 520 days which is less than a year and a half.

damox1

Maybe this can be discussed on another thread, as this issue is taking away from what will be a great show and a great venue, casual fans may be put off going to the show reading the last few pages.

Martin Walker

cowzerp wrote: »

New c class debut means nothing if he has fought b class, which he has twice so you should be suprised-there is no complications with the rules, most people are using them and not putting fighters on shows in the old outdated rule set, the people dragging there feet and not moving with the times need to stop dragging there feet but there in a tiny minority anyway.

they'll fall behind if they don't move on but thats there problem.

Im not blaming the rule change for this. Ive already stated i belive its a simple breakdown in communications. For the record i like the rules the way they are now and thought it was a good change. But not everyone does. And to simply say "its there problem" is a crappy attitude in my opinion. Everyone should be pulling in the same direction. But anyway lets let the thread get back on track for what should be an excellent event for fans and fighters alike. Ive said all i wanted to say.

Marty

cowzerp

Martin Walker wrote: »

. And to simply say "its there problem" is a crappy attitude in my opinion. Everyone should be pulling in the same direction.

Marty

You cant blame the 95% of clubs on not pulling together when they can't force the others to move on-the fact your not over here on the ground working with clubs shows how out if touch you are now, these rules are going down a storm and almost everyone is pulling together

Ps as far as the off topic- it's in relation to this show but when I get home I will move it all to it's own thread by your request, that will be a bit later today

Man o war is going to be great, cang wait to see it on in the helix

MMAIRELANDFAN

Martin Walker wrote: »

Marty snr never uses these forums and im pretty sure he wont use it now. Its between the partys involved and can get sorted privately. Not on an internet Forum.

So what appears to be a communication that was wrong on the Antrim end should be discussed in private where other's don't get to see what certain clubs are doing when matching there fighter's, Comvenient since it's your father's club that appears to be the ones at fault here

Something stink's here and it's either the promoter just trying to get fights without caring for fighters safety or else a club trying to get a very easy fight for there fighter

If there is no explanation then i think there is something to hide and know who i would blame

And you saying you won't discuss this seems familiar to last time people wanted answers off you and you went missing leaving fighters and coaches in limbo.

Martin Walker

cowzerp wrote: »

You cant blame the 95% of clubs on not pulling together when they can't force the others to move on-the fact your not over here on the ground working with clubs shows how out if touch you are now, these rules are going down a storm and almost everyone is pulling together

Im not blaming anyone on anything Paul. The fact of the matter is that some people pressed on and some didnt. The % is irrelevent. Any split in a small scene like Irish MMA isnt good in my eyes. I hear the rules are going down well and that awesome, as i said before im all for the new rule set and ill be all for it when they are cut down to Pro and Amateur only.
And please i was never "in touch" with things. I just did what i did and enjoyed it!;)

MMAIRELANDFAN wrote: »

So what appears to be a communication that was wrong on the Antrim end should be discussed in private where other's don't get to see what certain clubs are doing when matching there fighter's, Comvenient since it's your father's club that appears to be the ones at fault here

Yes because its no-one elses buisness. I dont see why people on here want to know the every goings on with other people. If it was another club i would think the same. Im sure its been sorted out already but hey lets do it to death on an internet forum thats not going to change anything.

MMAIRELANDFAN wrote: »

Something stink's here and it's either the promoter just trying to get fights without caring for fighters safety or else a club trying to get a very easy fight for there fighter

If there is no explanation then i think there is something to hide and know who i would blame

You are completely intitled to you opinion and you can "blame" who ever you want. It dosnt really matter as your not involved.

MMAIRELANDFAN wrote: »

And you saying you won't discuss this seems familiar to last time people wanted answers off you and you went missing leaving fighters and coaches in limbo.

Now you can stop right there. No need for that sort of remark. I live 15,000 miles away and im not commenting on it because i dont know the facts. I stated my opinion, that its just a miss understanding. But hey i dont know. Bringing up the fact i ****ed up a show over 2 years ago is just stirring up old crap. Build a bridge and get over it man. I have.

Performance Martial Arts

Just to let you Martin nothing has been sorted out and also if it's no ones buisness then why did you come on here giving an opinion? Look it's a fact that lies were told and my guy was being set up in my opinion. @ MMA FAN just to day that the promoter was the only person to contact me twice and give his side and the info he recieved so I don't think he's trying to mismatch fights. We have been on the first Man of War card and about 3 other charity shows that he has set up and we have had no problem with him before.

Martin Walker

Performance Martial Arts wrote: »

Just to let you Martin nothing has been sorted out and also if it's no ones buisness then why did you come on here giving an opinion? Look it's a fact that lies were told and my guy was being set up in my opinion. @ MMA FAN just to day that the promoter was the only person to contact me twice and give his side and the info he recieved so I don't think he's trying to mismatch fights. We have been on the first Man of War card and about 3 other charity shows that he has set up and we have had no problem with him before.

Ok well i didnt know that as i said im not involved. I came to express my opinon thats all. And to be honest your right i shouldnt have said anything and just let this sink like many of the threads that decend into bitching on here. I dont really understand what you trying to achive here if you want anwsers pick up your phone or confront my dad at the show in question he will be there. I just dont like this sort of thing done in public. But i seem to be the only one.

Performance Martial Arts

Martin Walker wrote: »

Ok well i didnt know that as i said im not involved. I came to express my opinon thats all. And to be honest your right i shouldnt have said anything and just let this sink like many of the threads that decend into bitching on here. I dont really understand what you trying to achive here if you want anwsers pick up your phone or confront my dad at the show in question he will be there. I just dont like this sort of thing done in public. But i seem to be the only one.

Well I'm not the one who needs to explain myself as the info I gave on my fighters are the truth. I'm not looking to achieve anything or was I looking to make anything public it was Leigh himself who came on stating that his record was made up.

Legends MMA Gym

MMAIRELANDFAN wrote: »

Something stink's here and it's either the promoter just trying to get fights without caring for fighters safety or else a club trying to get a very easy fight for there fighter.

First and foremost I am not in the business of mismatching fights. Fighters safety is top priority at all of my shows. I would like to clarify that I keep record of phone conversations, text messages and emails on all correspondence relating to any aspect of my show, particularly to do with match making. If you look at all of the fights that we have on Man of War and if you want to do your homework on their records you will see how closely these fighters are matched and even to the lay persons view will make very exciting fights. I receive information from coaches regarding their fighters and contact other coaches with this information when match making, and if further information is needed I will obtain it.

Now regarding Leigh, the information I received on him from his coach I had no reason to believe was false, as I have dealt with his coach regarding other fighters and the information was always correct. I was told from the club in question that the information they gave me on Leigh was in fact an error and was a breakdown in communication. As to how this error occurred on their part, I cannot answer.

cowzerp wrote: »

most people are using them and not putting fighters on shows in the old outdated rule set.

I agree 100% with Paul here in saying that all promotions should be using the new C Class rules period.

Stef

MMAIRELANDFAN

Martin Walker wrote: »

I don't really understand what you trying to achieve here if you want answers pick up your phone or confront my dad at the show in question he will be there. I just don't like this sort of thing done in public. But i seem to be the only one.

Boards is a great tool for letting other club's/promoters an all know what goes on with bad match making and the likes and is also a good way of preventing club's of trying to get away with this

So if Performance Martial Arts goes and asks him what happened and he Say's it was a miscommunication, you think that should be the end of it!

If the fight went ahead and his fighter got hurt and quit the sport as he lost confidence in the promoters do you think that excuse is adequate

The best thing that can happen in this circumstance is that it's put out in the community and all club's realise that mismatching won't be hidden

Sid_Justice

Legends MMA Gym wrote: »

Now regarding Leigh, the information I received on him from his coach I had no reason to believe was false, as I have dealt with his coach regarding other fighters and the information was always correct. I was told from the club in question that the information they gave me on Leigh was in fact an error and was a breakdown in communication. As to how this error occurred on their part, I cannot answer.


Stef

you never google fighter names to check? just take them at face value?

MMAIRELANDFAN

Legends MMA Gym wrote: »

First and foremost I am not in the business of mismatching fights. Fighters safety is top priority at all of my shows. I would like to clarify that I keep record of phone conversations, text messages and emails on all correspondence relating to any aspect of my show, particularly to do with match making.
Stef

I was just playing devil's advocate and don't blame you for treating club's who have never given you false information before the benefit of the doubt

I know where i stand on this subject and the fact his son know's it was a miscommunication but know's nothing about it tell's it's own story

We can only assume that Marty sr just said it was Leigh's new C class debut and this is not a lie, the fact he left out his 2 B class fights and the rest of his c class fights is the issue

Just for the record: if Shane Thomas wanted to fight and said it was his C class debut he would not be lying but he would not do that as he is a man of integrity.

LeeCor88

Sid_Justice wrote: »

you never google fighter names to check? just take them at face value?

I know I would take the information provided by the coach to be more accurate as neither Sherdog or MMAUniverse share consistency? Maybe there is an official records page that I don't know about (I am only a fan after all) but I thought Sherdog was the one to go by and in Leigh's case it only shows a record of 1 fight (loss).

MMAIRELANDFAN

LeeCor88 wrote: »

I know I would take the information provided by the coach to be more accurate as neither Sherdog or MMAUniverse share consistency? Maybe there is an official records page that I don't know about (I am only a fan after all) but I thought Sherdog was the one to go by and in Leigh's case it only shows a record of 1 fight (loss).

There only as accurate as the information passed on by the promoters of show's that leigh has fought on

They are innacurate in the sense that they may be missing fights but they won't have fights that did not happen

The MMA universe link clearly shows plenty of fights for leigh

2 at pro B class

So basically the coaches information should be the most important but is not when coaches are hiding the truth

It would be a good idea to check google in future Stefan but i still put the blame at others feet

Martin Walker

MMAIRELANDFAN wrote: »

I know where i stand on this subject and the fact his son know's it was a miscommunication but know's nothing about it tell's it's own story.

Not once have i stated that i know it was misscomunication. Simply that i think it was:

Martin Walker wrote: »

Knowing the people involved from Antrim this looks like a genuine mistake to me. I dont represent any Fighters from Antrim anymore however so i know nothing of this and cannot comment officially.

Martin Walker wrote: »

Im not being aggro about it at all i fully get your problems with this, but at the end of the day man it looks like a breakdown in communications to me.

Martin Walker wrote: »

Im not blaming the rule change for this. Ive already stated i belive its a simple breakdown in communications.

Martin Walker wrote: »

Ok well i didnt know that as i said im not involved. I came to express my opinon thats all.

If your gonna try to run me down please make sure your right in what you say first.
Now you say "it tells its own story". Enlighten me here.

MMAIRELANDFAN

Martin Walker wrote: »

Not once have i stated that i know it was misscomunication. Simply that i think it was:


If your gonna try to run me down please make sure your right in what you say first.
Now you say "it tells its own story". Enlighten me here.

Apologies on my mistake with words

I'm not trying to run you down at all

Fact is you don't know the details! and are defending the indefensible

Promoter and the other club have both said there case and it is clear that there was wrong information given

Let's call it miscommunication/ that makes it ok

But as seen as you don't know or don't want to know the details then debating it with you is pointless

Fact is it was wrongly communicated that your father's lad was only training a short time and on his debut when in fact he was fighting as long as 2005 and was 2 weeks away from fighting a proper debut lad in 2 weeks only for he got injured and had to withdraw.

Legends MMA Gym

Sid_Justice wrote: »

you never google fighter names to check? just take them at face value?

Thanks for bringing that to my attention, I have various different ways of obtaining information about fighters, Google being one of them. As I stated before with my previous dealings I had no reason to believe that the information was incorrect.

Stef

cowzerp

The main way is to get info from the clubs, ive never been given false information as a promoter and if I was I would not deal with the club again-as a coach of opposing fighter I've been told lads are debuts yet forgot to mention there extensive backgrounds in other arts-this is very bad and I dont deal with these clubs either.

Martin Walker

MMAIRELANDFAN wrote: »

Apologies on my mistake with words

I'm not trying to run you down at all

When you brought up the mess i had with my last Spartan show i was involved with it looked like you were to me.:(

Now with this im gonna bow out of this thread. Ive said what i belive and thats it. I dont want to take any more part because these things never end well.

Marty

MMAIRELANDFAN

Martin Walker wrote: »

When you brought up the mess i had with my last Spartan show i was involved with it looked like you were to me.:(

Now with this im gonna bow out of this thread. Ive said what i belive and thats it. I dont want to take any more part because these things never end well.

Marty

Yes i did as i felt it was relevant

On that occasion it's well documented you hid and did not give answers that the people who where wronged wanted to know

Looks like on here where you conveniently don't know whats happening when you easily could sort it out if you wanted

But as we both know there is no sorting out giving out wrong information and you cant defend it

It's just as easy for you to find out from there as it would be if you where here.

Martin Walker

My god man what is your problem?

Why should i find out what happend? Why should you know? Your opinion on this dosnt count. Your a nameless faceless internet warrior. You have trolled on here before and im not really suprised your at it again.

Really if you have a problem with me you need to move on. I dont even know who you are and to be frank i dont want to. People make mistakes such is life.

**MY NAME IS MARTIN WALKER I ****ED UP A SHOW TWO YEARS AGO**

There you go.:)

MMAIRELANDFAN

Martin Walker wrote: »

My god man what is your problem?

Why should i find out what happend? Why should you know? Your opinion on this dosnt count. Your a nameless faceless internet warrior. You have trolled on here before and im not really suprised your at it again.

I don't have a problem with you and am just drawing comparisons to then and now and the evasion on both subjects

I have a problem with you pretending you don't know what happened and know your comeback will be i don't!

OK so we know you don't want to find out and that's your prerogative and as i said makes debating this with you pointless

My opinion as a fan is as valid as anyone Else's

You calling anyone a troll is funny at best as your renowned for it

MMAIRELANDFAN

I strictly follow the charter so don't break any rules

I may ask questions you don't like but don't troll

On that note calling me atroll is against the charter and there is a report function if you feel i've broke any rules.

Martin Walker

MMAIRELANDFAN wrote: »

I don't have a problem with you and am just drawing comparisons to then and now and the evasion on both subjects

I have a problem with you pretending you don't know what happened and know your comeback will be i don't!

OK so we know you don't want to find out and that's your prerogative and as i said makes debating this with you pointless

My opinion as a fan is as valid as anyone Else's

You calling anyone a troll is funny at best as your renowned for it

lol. Why would i pretend? I honestly dont know what happened. I wasnt there when the information was given. I could find out quite easily but unless any of the parties involved ask me to find out im not gonna bother. Why? Because its nobodies buisness in my opinion. If i was to find out i wouldnt put it up here either i would do it in private.
And no your opinion is not worth a thing.

Now im going to bed. You made me miss Family guy.:mad:

MMAIRELANDFAN

Just wondering has leigh stewart been matched with a suitable opponent on this show, might try to get to see this show and would like to see him against a similar level opponent.

Dancor

MMAIRELANDFAN wrote: »

Just wondering has leigh stewart been matched with a suitable opponent on this show, might try to get to see this show and would like to see him against a similar level opponent.

Injured afaik

MMAIRELANDFAN

Dancor wrote: »

Injured afaik

:rolleyes: so he is found out what level he is at and suddenly is injured

I live in Belfast mostly and am going to ask around about this.

Legends MMA Gym

No he is not on the card, the card is full now thanks for your interest though and hope to see you at the show!

Dancor

MMAIRELANDFAN wrote: »

:rolleyes: so he is found out what level he is at and suddenly is injured

I live in Belfast mostly and am going to ask around about this.

Sorry I got mixed up. His original oponent is injured.