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Extension - Planning Needed?

  • 08-10-2011 8:23pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭


    Hi All, is planning permission required for extending a house?I would like to extend it by 20m2 ground and the same upstairs...where I can find the info and what would be a next step? Does it have to be done by some dedicated builders or I can choose whoever I want?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    It is not going to be possible to answer your question on whether planning is necessary or not without further information, like is your house detached or semi-detached? how far from the site boundary would the extension be? what part of the house are you extending onto front, back or sides? Is your house a protected structure or is there a protected structure within the curtilage of the house?

    Anyway, have a look here.

    Any competent, indemnified builder should be capable of carrying out extension works.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    iwo wrote: »
    Hi All, is planning permission required for extending a house?I would like to extend it by 20m2 ground and the same upstairs...
    I presume this is too the rear? you need to give more details on your house type/urban etc? from your brief post I would recommend an architect visit and advise as its the up stairs that might be tricky from a planning view point for a start..
    iwo wrote: »
    where I can find the info and what would be a next step? Does it have to be done by some dedicated builders or I can choose whoever I want?
    if you wish to check your self, contact your local planning office. you can choose who ever you want to build it, once its to Building regulations,health and safety and planning regulations etc that is:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 JGraham


    In general only single storey extensions to the rear are exempt from planning (and as long as certain other criteria are met). The fact you are planning a 2 storey extension, this will need planning permission. Where abouts in the country are you??

    JG


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    JGraham wrote: »
    In general only single storey extensions to the rear are exempt from planning (and as long as certain other criteria are met). The fact you are planning a 2 storey extension, this will need planning permission. Where abouts in the country are you??

    JG
    That is not the case.

    Seperation distances from site boundaries determine how much you can build to the first floor, but it is not necessarily the case that if you have a first floor that you automatically need planning permission.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭iwo


    Hi Gents, thanks for replies. This is Wexford area, close to Gorey.
    Semi detached house
    I would like to exited front of the house.

    Will I send photo of the house so you will have better understanding?


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  • Subscribers Posts: 42,168 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    JGraham wrote: »
    In general only single storey extensions to the rear are exempt from planning (and as long as certain other criteria are met). The fact you are planning a 2 storey extension, this will need planning permission. Where abouts in the country are you??

    JG

    just to reinforced PUT's last post.

    what is bolded above is simply incorrect.

    there are circumstances in which you can quite easily build a two storey extension which is exempt from planning permission.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    iwo wrote: »
    Hi Gents, thanks for replies. This is Wexford area, close to Gorey.
    Semi detached house
    I would like to exited front of the house.

    Will I send photo of the house so you will have better understanding?
    you need plannnig, speak your local arch or if you want i'm sure you'll get some PM's here..
    its a only a very good design that will suit the front of a semi-d.. if I were you id just make a list of your requirements and see could your chosen arch help you with the extension location.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭iwo


    Thank, would you have a quick look at this please? Are you sure that planning permission is required? What is the cost of getting planning permission - if required.
    Please see photo attached - my house is very last in the estate - semi detached.
    extention.jpg

    Photo - http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/141/extention.jpg/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,543 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    That is not the case.

    Seperation distances from site boundaries determine how much you can build to the first floor, but it is not necessarily the case that if you have a first floor that you automatically need planning permission.
    Sorry PUT but the previous poster is correct. The OP has said that he wants to extend by 20 m2 on ground floor with the same above. The maximum permitted area (exempt) above ground floor level as you know is 12 m2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭iwo


    muffler wrote: »
    Sorry PUT but the previous poster is correct. The OP has said that he wants to extend by 20 m2 on ground floor with the same above. The maximum permitted area (exempt) above ground floor level as you know is 12 m2

    And what would be the cost of getting this permission sorted?
    This is mega simple extension and I don't believe that I would need a drawer/architect.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    muffler wrote: »
    Sorry PUT but the previous poster is correct. The OP has said that he wants to extend by 20 m2 on ground floor with the same above. The maximum permitted area (exempt) above ground floor level as you know is 12 m2
    Thank you, (12m2 max on the first floor in the case of a semi-detached and 20m2 max on the first floor in the case of a detached).

    For clarity I would like to point out that it was only after my last post that it was mentioned we were dealing with a semi-detached house. Notwithstanding this my last post was directed at the bolded section of the post as I highlighted it and the following is correct.... but it is not necessarily the case that if you have a first floor that you automatically need planning permission.

    However, in this case, since we are talking about a semi-detached house and a first floor of over 12m2 planning permission is required.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    iwo wrote: »
    And what would be the cost of getting this permission sorted?
    This is mega simple extension and I don't believe that I would need a drawer/architect.

    I would cost a planning application at around €700 all in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭iwo


    I would cost a planning application at around €700 all in.

    it is not too bad.

    Just going back to 12m2. does it cover walls etc? or this is just inside, usable area? I am just measuring this carefully and getting 12m2 but inside only. Two walls, side and front would add extra cm's. Also studs and plasterboards would take another few cms :)

    thanks


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    iwo wrote: »
    Thank, would you have a quick look at this please? Are you sure that planning permission is required? What is the cost of getting planning permission - if required.
    Please see photo attached - my house is very last in the estate - semi detached.
    extention.jpg

    Photo - http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/141/extention.jpg/
    this is the front?

    If yes then PP is required.

    why not get three archs to quote and pick the one that suits you best. you will certianly need detailed drawings to allow selection of a preferred builder and a structural engineer on board as it appears you'll be removing a substantial part of the front wall.

    Note that any decent arch will be carrying out a provisional BER and assessing your existing house, as regards both building fabric and layout when designing/ preparing your PP.

    Why not allow the arch a chance to assess your house & layout and offer you an opinion on how best to extend. imho i would place some type of an entrance porch/ canopy, or maybe a different roof shape to what your proposing, maybe consider the balance of the semi-d. also consider what the orientation is, a try to get as much 'sunny south east' into the home as possible:)

    best of luck


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    The area is measured inside the outside wall all around, if that makes sense. So the external wall is not included in the calculation but all the internal walls or partitions are included.


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