Help please, car bought from dealer was crashed!

nickcleverley

Hi lads, looking for a bit of help. I'm 17 and 3 weeks ago i bought a 2004 Peugeot 307 from <snip>, they are a SIMI registered car dealer. From day one I've had problems, i fell in love with the car straight away and it only had NCT for a few months but he wrote on the receipt that he would guarantee the next one. Now i have started to notice things wrong with the car, the steering wheel is misaligned, the indicator switch is not working properly, the horn is intermittent and now the big problems are the left hub squeaks when i turn left and it is becoming more and more apparent that the car had been badly crashed. A few of the panels don't match up in colour but that didn't bother me, what is happening now is that the windscreen pillar is starting to crack and with a closer look it has been filled and sprayed badly. I'm not happy as i thought i wouldn't have these problems buying from a dealer and just drove the car and liked it. The dealer has been very bad to sort things so far like i've been waiting 3 weeks for my spare key. Before i approached him about the car having been badly crashed and him not telling me I wanted to find out did I have any legs to stand on? What action should i take as i think i should get my money back.. Thanks in advance lads

L-M

Did you ask him was it crashed?

How long of a warranty did you get?

Any pictures of said cracking pillar?

Do you have any receipt saying the car wasn't previously involved in an accident (or was).

nickcleverley

No I didn't ask him was it crashed, didn't think it would be if i bought it from a proper dealership.

I've a 3 month warranty.

Will I upload photos?

Nothing on the receipt saying twasnt crashed

L-M

Generally, and in future, ask has the car been crashed.

If you have a few good quality photo's I wouldn't mind seeing them.

nickcleverley

I know i've learned the hard way

You can't really see it in the photo cos its on the inside beside the windscreen, but there's various small cracks and they're getting larger...

L-M

You'll have to take a further away picture than that, can't see a thing!

nickcleverley

I'm trying to upload another one now

mickdw

You didnt ask if it was crashed. You knew it had repairs to the body due to colour mismatch etc and were happy to buy it anyway.
Forgetting about thee cracks for a minute, the other stuff you mention are not the end of the world and could be expected when buying what sounds like a poorly inspected cheap, rough 7 year old 307.
I feel you might struggle to get a dealer to fork out for a new key and also the stuff you mention might not be covered by the warranty anyway.

The cracks you mention need to be checked out though. I dont quite understand what you a referring to though in relation to the cracks. Photo would be interesting.

nickcleverley

cml387

is it cracking in the plastic trim?

I'm afraid that photo is even less clear.

L-M

Probably the result of filler alright, but unless it's deemed unsafe (by an assessor) I can't see you winning any fight. You bought the car and signed that you were happy with it in it's present condition.

As mick said the other stuff you mentioned wouldn't be the end of the world.

I fillered a spoiler in my car and it cracked about two years later, I can't imagine filler cracking within a week or two.

nickcleverley

There's no need to give out to me like, I'm only looking for advice, I know i ****ed up by buying this car, it isn't rough and it has low milage. I only thought the front bumper and wing had been sprayed and the windscreen pillar wasn't cracked when i bought it, it's getting worse like. Dealer is being a dick like even with the indicator switch, he's trying to palm me off with a second hand one when it is needed for his 'NCT guarantee'.

L-M

nickcleverley wrote: »

There's no need to give out to me like, I'm only looking for advice, I know i ****ed up by buying this car, it isn't rough and it has low milage. I only thought the front bumper and wing had been sprayed and the windscreen pillar wasn't cracked when i bought it, it's getting worse like. Dealer is being a dick like even with the indicator switch, he's trying to palm me off with a second hand one when it is needed for his 'NCT guarantee'.

What's the difference between a second hand one and a new one? I wouldn't expect a new part to be fitted.

nickcleverley

I want new parts used, the indicator unit in peugeots is a common fault and the new one could go very soon aswell. I just looked over the contract i signed and it wasn't co-signed and i'm not 18 so it isn't valid, where do i stand now?

How much did you pay for the car?

mickdw

nickcleverley wrote: »

I want new parts used, the indicator unit in peugeots is a common fault and the new one could go very soon aswell. I just looked over the contract i signed and it wasn't co-signed and i'm not 18 so it isn't valid, where do i stand now?

Why then did you sign the contract?

wee truck big driver

tell him you want your money back or else you will go to a solicitor

nickcleverley

mickdw wrote: »

Why then did you sign the contract?

Because I didnt read the entire contract, I seriously did not think that any **** would result from buying a car from a SIMI registered car dealer

nickcleverley

wee truck big driver wrote: »

tell him you want your money back or else you will go to a solicitor

Im going to go Citizens Info on Monday and if i have any legs to stand on I will, i love the car but this just isn't good enough, a cracked A-pillar that has been badly repaired is not acceptable for a proper car dealership

nickcleverley

RoverJames wrote: »

How much did you pay for the car?

What difference?

nickcleverley

nickcleverley wrote: »

What difference?

:rolleyes:

nickcleverley

RoverJames wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Didn't mean any disrespect, just wondering what difference it makes

L-M

nickcleverley wrote: »

Because I didnt read the entire contract, I seriously did not think that any **** would result from buying a car from a SIMI registered car dealer

Someone's been watching too much tv!

the_syco

nickcleverley wrote: »

What difference?

Well, since most 307's are being sold at €5000, if you got yours for €500 the garage may have thought you would have copped that there was a reason why it was €500...

nickcleverley

Limerick man wrote: »

Someone's been watching too much tv!

I know, my third car to go wrong and buying it at a dealership made me think I would get something decent, how wrong I was

nickcleverley

the_syco wrote: »

Well, since most 307's are being sold at €5000, if you got yours for €500 the garage may have thought you would have copped that there was a reason why it was €500...

4 bags of gold

Kristopherus

OP, when you did'nt ask if the car was crashed, you don't have a leg to stand on. There's no way the Dealer will admit to knowing it was crashed, so take this as a salutory lesson on what to really do when buying a car.

mickdw

I think you would have a chance of getting money back if you had an engineers report to say it was structurally damaged and unsafe. If its only cosmetic stuff thats filled, Id say you are left with it.

dev100

nickcleverley wrote: »

Im going to go Citizens Info on Monday and if i have any legs to stand on I will, i love the car but this just isn't good enough, a cracked A-pillar that has been badly repaired is not acceptable for a proper car dealership

Your first mistake falling in love with a Pug:p You will soon learn cars cost a bomb...


It doesnt matter if he is part of simi. A cowboy is a cowboy no matter what letters he has aft his name.

Dont worry we have all been there, For future reference never part with the cash unless all work has been done all keys handed over etc.

For a poorly looked after 7 yr car you will get problems with panel colors not matching or if it got a bit of a ding and been resprayed. Which shouldnt be a problem if you bought it cheap. Is he a Pug dealer? If not More than likely car will need to be sent to a main dealer for a new key to be coded. Unless you have it down on paper he is to get you a key id say yo will be whistling dixie for it ... As for the indictator problem let him stick a second hand one into it.

Get the AA to give car a good look over and let them make an engineers report on it and if they conclude whats wrong with it then you may have a cause then to go at the garage owner.

How much did you pay for ?

mark renton

your wasting your time here nick - a lot of people on here are car dealers and do the same most weeks as was done to you, which was sell you a dud


you are better off posting on legal thread - id imagine it would be similar result to below


if a car is bought privately then its bought as seen

if the car is bought from a dealer and you can show he knew it was a crached car and sold to you without full information then you may be entitled to claim the car is faulty

L-M

nickcleverley wrote: »

I know, my third car to go wrong and buying it at a dealership made me think I would get something decent, how wrong I was

Third car at 17?

What did you have before?

.......... the steering wheel is misaligned
............ the indicator switch is not working properly
.................. the horn is intermittent
................ the left hub squeaks when i turn left and it is becoming more and more apparent that the car had been badly crashed. A few of the panels don't match up in colour but that didn't bother me, what is happening now is that the windscreen pillar is starting to crack and with a closer look it has been filled and sprayed badly...................


Tell him you want the car tracked properly to allign the wheel, let him fix the indicator, tell him the horn needs fixing too. I wouldn't worry about the hub really.

Book and NCT now for the thing.

mickdw

john47832 wrote: »

your wasting your time here nick - a lot of people on here are car dealers and do the same most weeks as was done to you, which was sell you a dud

How many car dealers have posted in the thread?

nickcleverley

Kristopherus wrote: »

OP, when you did'nt ask if the car was crashed, you don't have a leg to stand on. There's no way the Dealer will admit to knowing it was crashed, so take this as a salutory lesson on what to really do when buying a car.

Not good

nickcleverley

john47832 wrote: »

your wasting your time here nick - a lot of people on here are car dealers and do the same most weeks as was done to you, which was sell you a dud


you are better off posting on legal thread - id imagine it would be similar result to below


if a car is bought privately then its bought as seen

if the car is bought from a dealer and you can show he knew it was a crached car and sold to you without full information then you may be entitled to claim the car is faulty

Would it not benefit me that the sale contract is not legally binding, so that would mean that I didnt sign and agree to accepting the car in it's current state?

nickcleverley

Limerick man wrote: »

Third car at 17?

What did you have before?

Toyota Starlet (Best car in the world!!!) RIP i flipped it
Peugeot 106 bought for 400, spent 800 on it

Loved that faacking Starlet

nickcleverley

RoverJames wrote: »

.......... the steering wheel is misaligned
............ the indicator switch is not working properly
.................. the horn is intermittent
................ the left hub squeaks when i turn left and it is becoming more and more apparent that the car had been badly crashed. A few of the panels don't match up in colour but that didn't bother me, what is happening now is that the windscreen pillar is starting to crack and with a closer look it has been filled and sprayed badly...................


Tell him you want the car tracked properly to allign the wheel, let him fix the indicator, tell him the horn needs fixing too. I wouldn't worry about the hub really.

Book and NCT now for the thing.

The hub is worrying me, he booked the NCT and have me a date to go to Cahir, in 3 weeks, he supposedly 'NCT prepped the car on Friday but didnt correct any of the things that I told him I wanted to correct, apparently he didn't have the parts, although I had told him what parts were needed and surprise surprise, I had given him a correct list.. Hes just trying to put it off till the warranty runs out and I know it will pass the NCT because HE booked it and I bet any money that he knows the bloke in the test centre!

corktina

ring the NCT,cancel booking and ask them for another elsewhere if that worries you.

Tea drinker

none of the things you listed nick point it to being crashed, apart from the cracking pillar, and even that might be down to rust. I can't see it in those photo's
Get it checked out for sure though, and that list of other stuff should be sorted

alexmcred

nickcleverley wrote: »

I want new parts used, the indicator unit in peugeots is a common fault and the new one could go very soon aswell. I just looked over the contract i signed and it wasn't co-signed and i'm not 18 so it isn't valid, where do i stand now?

You didn't sign a contract you signed a receipt/bill of sale so I wouldn't bother thinking any more along those lines.

Also in certain circumstances it's perfectly legal for some one under 18 to sign a contract.

krissovo

The same happened to me with a Saab convertible, bought from the main Saab dealer and realized after few days that things were not right. To keep a long story short dealer refused initially to take it back but after few weeks and some serious pressure I got my money back plus compensation.

subway

The motor trade in Ireland gets by (if this forum is anything to go by) by deliberately misinforming people of their rights.
A dealer has to inform you if a car was crashed, despite what people on boards.ie would have you believe.

Call the dealer and tell him what you know about the car and ask for a refund, if he won't assist, you can use the small claims court if it's less than 2k or engage with simi directly or via a solicitor to attempt to resolve. After that you will need to go to court.
Can't see a motor dealer not sorting this if it's as you say, they simply don't want the publicity of a court judgement.

dr.bollocko

Did you run the plate of the car to see if it has a history?

nickcleverley

Tea drinker wrote: »

none of the things you listed nick point it to being crashed, apart from the cracking pillar, and even that might be down to rust. I can't see it in those photo's
Get it checked out for sure though, and that list of other stuff should be sorted

A panel beater has looked at it, the whole drivers side has been replaced

nickcleverley

alexmcred wrote: »

You didn't sign a contract you signed a receipt/bill of sale so I wouldn't bother thinking any more along those lines.

Also in certain circumstances it's perfectly legal for some one under 18 to sign a contract.

Its called a contract of sale and in the small print it says customer must certify that they are 18 years of age..

nickcleverley

krissovo wrote: »

The same happened to me with a Saab convertible, bought from the main Saab dealer and realized after few days that things were not right. To keep a long story short dealer refused initially to take it back but after few weeks and some serious pressure I got my money back plus compensation.

When I go into him on Monday he might be co-operative but I need to have a backup just in case, thanks for giving me a bit hope

nickcleverley

subway wrote: »

The motor trade in Ireland gets by (if this forum is anything to go by) by deliberately misinforming people of their rights.
A dealer has to inform you if a car was crashed, despite what people on boards.ie would have you believe.

Call the dealer and tell him what you know about the car and ask for a refund, if he won't assist, you can use the small claims court if it's less than 2k or engage with simi directly or via a solicitor to attempt to resolve. After that you will need to go to court.
Can't see a motor dealer not sorting this if it's as you say, they simply don't want the publicity of a court judgement.

So by law, he is meant to tell me if the car has been in a major accident, without me requesting the information?

nickcleverley

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Did you run the plate of the car to see if it has a history?

No lad, they cost like 35 euro and I heard that they wouldn't even have a crash history on some of them, the price of petrol to school and back now these days that's a lot of money to me...

Al Capwned

nickcleverley wrote: »

So by law, he is meant to tell me if the car has been in a major accident, without me requesting the information?

YES!

nickcleverley

alproctor wrote: »

YES!

Thanks a lot for informing me that. I really do love the car but I took it on the motorway last night and the ****ing thing was weaving all over the place, couldn't hold her straight atall and i was only going about 65, 70

nickcleverley

By the way thanks for all the replies lads, I really appreciate them