Dublin Bus discrimination

jimcorbet

Like every weekend I was off to go home from UCD. Now this bus was standing their while I was making my way across to it. So I was about 10 meters away from it and I am sure the driver saw me running down to him.

So, there was a girl just ahead of me about a meter of so. The driver let her get on and just as I was about to get in, he closes the door. I start to bang on the door and he just drove off.

I feel this as clearly discrimination. Should I write a complaint to Dublin bus now or what should I do? After I was forced to miss that bus, I also missed my bus home.

DjFlin

Happens to me all the time. I dont think racism really has anything to do with it.

maygitchell

jimcorbet wrote: »

Like every weekend I was off to go home from UCD. Now this bus was standing their while I was making my way across to it. So I was about 10 meters away from it and I am sure the driver saw me running down to him.

So, there was a girl just ahead of me about a meter of so. The driver let her get on and just as I was about to get in, he closes the door. I start to bang on the door and he just drove off.

I feel this as clearly discrimination. Should I write a complaint to Dublin bus now or what should I do? After I was forced to miss that bus, I also missed my bus home.

Just to clarify, discrimination due to gender or due to race etc etc

TheBunk1

Seems wrong he drove off if you were banging on the door, unless he was at capacity... but just to clarify, why do you feel it was racism and discrimination?

jor el

An ignorant Dublin bus driver. Well that has to be a first. I've certainly never heard anything like this before.

In other news, there are ignorant people working in every job. Just because you met one today does not mean it's racism or discrimination. Ignorant people are just that. A complaint to Dublin bus about a driver just leaving you when you made it to the bus in time may be in order, but it will not go anywhere. Don't dwell on it.

jimmycrackcorm

In defence of DB, there are just as many drivers who slow up and stop to let people running on as those who don't.

You should complain anyway.

mikemac

Happened me before, happens lots of people

Don't play the race card

You can write to Dublin Bus if you want but it's a waste of time

jimcorbet wrote: »

After I was forced to miss that bus, I also missed my bus home.

Not to sound smug but that's cutting it very close. If you were trying to get to Busáras on a Friday evening well you can't predict exactly how long it takes.

dudara

Moved to Commuting & Transport

dudara

LXFlyer

OP how are you totally sure the driver saw you?

The basic rule that the drivers are taught in the driving school is that once the doors are closed they are then focussing on the offside mirror and traffic and are no longer looking at the nearside where passengers may be.

MarkR

You weren't at the stop when he stopped. He could stop I suppose, and let you on. Then someone else runs up. Could stop for them too. Eventually, it's not a bus. Just a crappy place to sit with poor ventilation.

Why on earth would you be playing the race card? Some times people are just dicks.

lods

http://youtu.be/R5TTA4f7Q3E

Bob Newhart's 'Bus Driver Training' skit from his Button Down Comedy stand-up show. This video was recorded in 1995, but I believe it was originally found on 'The Button-Down Mind Strikes Back', which was released in 1960 as an audio recording.

homerjay2005

the driver may have been a wan*er, but racist? come off it, i assume seen as your playing the racist card, you have foreign heritage, but to read this "racism" accusations, makes me angry.

so if the driver treated somebody like this, its acceptable, but somebody with a foreign background, it is racism?

shock horror, somedublin bus drivers are pr*cks, but id be pretty sure, racism does not exist in the company...and likewise, for every bad bus driver you see, you will meet 20 bad passengers....if they are foreign, does that make them racist towards irish bus drivers?

pathetic..

corktina

lxflyer wrote: »

OP how are you totally sure the driver saw you?

The basic rule that the drivers are taught in the driving school is that once the doors are closed they are then focussing on the offside mirror and traffic and are no longer looking at the nearside where passengers may be.

THAT has to be nonsense. A Bus Driver must be looking everywhere. To suggest he is taught to pull away from a stop without checking the nearside for anyone being dragged under the wheels or caught in the doors is ....well words fail me.

OP the driver has to shut the doors at some stage as he has a schedule to keep....who knows? there could have been another half dozen people at 10 metre intervals running down the street.... Oh and banging on the doors isnt going to help...I would nt open a door to an angry person banging on a door...would you?

-Chris-

I'm still waiting on info that would support an accusation of racism/discrimination

LXFlyer

corktina wrote: »

THAT has to be nonsense. A Bus Driver must be looking everywhere. To suggest he is taught to pull away from a stop without checking the nearside for anyone being dragged under the wheels or caught in the doors is ....well words fail me.

OP the driver has to shut the doors at some stage as he has a schedule to keep....who knows? there could have been another half dozen people at 10 metre intervals running down the street.... Oh and banging on the doors isnt going to help...I would nt open a door to an angry person banging on a door...would you?

What I meant is that once the doors are closed the bus driver is focussing on driving and is not supposed to stop for more passengers. Of course they are focussing on everywhere but not on stopping again and opening the doors.

Victor

The best solution is such situations is to smile politely and show your pre-paid ticket. Do not appear demanding. Most drivers will react positively to this.

If you rush to the closed door, run on the road to get to the bus quicker or bang on the door, the driver is unlikely to open it.

Buses run for those that wait, they don't wait for thsoe that run.

ejmaztec

The driver probably meant to stop the girl getting on as well, but she was obviously too quick for him.

brokenhinge

Bus drivers often won't stop in/at UCD at night because of anti-social behaviour before.

meanmachine3

jimcorbet wrote: »

Like every weekend I was off to go home from UCD. Now this bus was standing their while I was making my way across to it. So I was about 10 meters away from it and I am sure the driver saw me running down to him.

So, there was a girl just ahead of me about a meter of so. The driver let her get on and just as I was about to get in, he closes the door. I start to bang on the door and he just drove off.

I feel this as clearly discrimination. Should I write a complaint to Dublin bus now or what should I do? After I was forced to miss that bus, I also missed my bus home.

sorry jim i've no sympathy for you. as high lighted in bold you were making your way across to the bus.ie. walking. we've a timetable to keep to and whether you like or not once our time comes to go we're gone. it's up to you to be at the stop on time. on what grounds are you trying to use the discrimation card. driver did absolutely nothing wrong. you were late for your bus. i assume you were getting the 39A.these do not pick in U.C.D. after 11pm. it's also one of the best bus services in the city. so in theory you still had the chance of getting other buses. i've said in other posts before people have the attitude of " i dont care who i delay as long as i'm alright jack".

TheBunk1 wrote: »

Seems wrong he drove off if you were banging on the door,

driver was correct the bunk. if someone came banging on my doors there aint a hope in hell of them getting on. when the doors close we're watching our offside for any traffic coming up and waiting for a chance to move off. the last thing we're looking at is some clown trying to put them selves in danger.
a number of years ago something like you are endorsing happened. the out come was the guy went under the front wheels of the bus after loosing his footing, lost his legs and died a short time later in hospital.
dublin bus by-laws in boarding and lighting.
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/About-Us/Dublin-Bus-Bye-Laws/Boarding-and-Alighting/
No person shall attempt to board or to alight from the vehicle after the doors have commenced to close.
as victor said you might have a slim chance of getting on by being polite.
BUT FOR GODS SAKE DO NOT COME UP BANGING ON THE SIDE OF THE BUS .IN MOST CASES WE WONT EVEN SEE YOU UNTIL IT'S TO LATE ,YOU WILL NOT GET ON..
as a rule of thumb to everyone else. i'm sorry but if your not at the stop when the doors are closing i'm afraid you'll have to get the next bus. i've those already on board to consider.

AlekSmart

jimcorbet wrote: »

Like every weekend I was off to go home from UCD. Now this bus was standing their while I was making my way across to it. So I was about 10 meters away from it and I am sure the driver saw me running down to him.

So, there was a girl just ahead of me about a meter of so. The driver let her get on and just as I was about to get in, he closes the door. I start to bang on the door and he just drove off.

I feel this as clearly discrimination. Should I write a complaint to Dublin bus now or what should I do? After I was forced to miss that bus, I also missed my bus home.

The salient point here is not what distance the OP was "about" from the bus or how "sure" he was of the drivers sight lines,it is the fact that he was banging on the closed door.

Once the Door is closed,you have missed that bus.

The only option the Busdriver then has is to go through the full Bus-Stop drill again,which on the UCD N11 flyover stop is fraught with difficulty if not danger.

The situation at the inner terminus is only marginally better given the haphazard nature of how the facility is currently arranged.

As other posters have remarked there is a set regime to be observed at bus-stops and a set mirror sequence which drivers automatically go through.

The OP should also be aware that nearly all BAC vehicles are now fitted with a "Door Brake" mechanism which makes it impossible to move the vehicle until the doors are Fully-Closed.

This safety-feature is expressly designed to prevent the scenario described here and in fact results from one which did occur...

Corktina: THAT has to be nonsense. A Bus Driver must be looking everywhere. To suggest he is taught to pull away from a stop without checking the nearside for anyone being dragged under the wheels or caught in the doors is ....well words fail me.

The downside of this safety-feature,from the OP's and indeed any "runner's" perspective,is that the option of a driver slowing down or opening the doors at the last minute whilst pulling away is no longer there....It cannot happen,as the brakes will automatically apply.

Whilst Corktina may indeed be stuck for words,the actuality of what occurs as the Bus leaves the Stop is as Lxflyer remarks.

Check Left Mirror-Close Doors-Check Right Mirror-Recheck Left Mirror-release handbrake+begin departure.

The drill is automatic,the only variable is the relative amounts of time spent on each mirror,as no two stops are alike...

The UCD Flyover Stop,for example,requires some added concentration on the Offside (Righthand) mirror as traffic exiting the Campus often comes away from the traffic signals at a cracking pace and not particularly minded to allow a Bus to pull away from the Stop.

If the OP still perceive's some level of discrimination or personal malice relating to his experience then by all means submit a complaint as there may well be on-bus CCTV evidence to prove/disprove his allegation.

However,just as the OP appears to be able to discern exactly what the Busdriver saw and also to be able to accurately measure the distances involved,I'm going to suggest a Not-Proven verdict on the central accusation of Racism and Discrimination.

stop

I've often seen this happen at the UCD N11 stop. You have a constant stream of people walking out of campus during the day, if people see a bus they feel inclined to run to it before it pulls up. I've often sat on a bus there and wondered how long it'll be before the driver gets to pull away!
It's one of the best served bus stops in the city with the regular services of the 39a/46a/145 not to mention all the xpressos at peak times.

OP for all you know the driver might have already let on 10 people who came running up to the door before you and at some point the bus has to leave.

Don't see how anything in this situation can be called racism. Except maybe your assumption that the driver doesn't like you, because he's from a different race than you?

blubloblu

I've regularly seen in-service, under capacity busses sail right past people sticking their hand out at the bus stop. Only ever seen it happen to non-Irish looking people by themselves.

AlekSmart

blubloblu wrote: »

I've regularly seen in-service, under capacity busses sail right past people sticking their hand out at the bus stop. Only ever seen it happen to non-Irish looking people by themselves.

If YOU see it again Blubloblu then REPORT IT !

Arm yourself with the BAC Customer Service number.....8734222
or customercomment@dublinbus.ie and use them.

If you are suggesting that the company operates a racist orientated service then back it up with facts.

What you "regularly see" may well be unintentional mistakes,it may be passengers waiting at incorrect stops,it may well be a grand-prixx of a Busdriver,but unless YOU can prove this accusation then it might be fairer to all concerned to withdraw it.....

Just to underline one other element that may be relevant......

I work with several Non-Irish looking people,who are born and bred Liberties Lads...I also work with the most Irish looking of guys...freckles,ginger hair,blue eyes...and he's a multi lingual Algerian...so I'd recommend a little bit of reflection on that post in the interest of fairness.

Qualitymark

I'm the most Irish-looking (and harmless-looking) person in Ireland, and it's regularly happened to me: bus drivers pull away, they fail to stop when I have my hand out, etc. Not to mention that scheduled buses fail to turn up on time; even with the much welcomed electronic boards, buses are often shown as "Due", only for the listing to disappear suddenly, replaced by the next bus due in 14 minutes.

I put the sail-past drivers down to 99% inattention and 1% meanness; the pull-away drivers ditto; the failure to meet scheduling down to 90% incompetence and 10% drivers deciding to take a smoke break or tea break or toilet break that's not scheduled for.

The service generally has an air of incompetence - the failure to bring in interoperable electronic ticketing (I still have a Dash card from the 1995 test for such a system); the failure to clean up buses left filthy by passengers.

The dirty buses give people a sense that anything is allowed. Maybe we should send drivers to train in Japan, where each driver is absolutely in control of the bus, has a sacred sense of service, drives perfectly in clean, neat uniform and white gloves, cleans the bus between trips so it's unknown to see trodden-on sandwiches and spilling Coke cans, and will certainly not allow shouting mobile phone conversations, loud music, dope smoking upstairs down the back, people drinking from beer cans and bottles, or lubriciously shrieking gangs of teenage girls.

But then in Japan, where salaries are fairly equal from top to bottom, it's not how you're paid but your pride in the job that mandates how you perform.

nommm

This happens to me all the time, not in UCD mind. Stick your hand out for the bus and they don't stop. It's almost as if DB don't want customers. :rolleyes:

In fairness, there are a few that will sit and wait for you, even if your a good bit away from the bus stop.

BenShermin

I was late for work on Tuesday, I was late for my bus a few minutes earlier and the driver quite rightly wouldn't open the doors. Absolutely MY fault for not getting out of bed on time, absolutely not MY right to delay the other passengers on the bus! OP, my advice is get to the bus stop on time the next time.

I've been using Dublin Bus for 22 years and only had two serious complaints with drivers from the company, both drivers were of a different ethnicity to me. Both complaints were resolved by Dublin Bus without any race card thrown anywhere.

TheBunk1

meanmachine3 wrote: »

sorry jim i've no sympathy for you. as high lighted in bold you were making your way across to the bus.ie. walking. we've a timetable to keep to and whether you like or not once our time comes to go we're gone. it's up to you to be at the stop on time. on what grounds are you trying to use the discrimation card. driver did absolutely nothing wrong. you were late for your bus. i assume you were getting the 39A.these do not pick in U.C.D. after 11pm. it's also one of the best bus services in the city. so in theory you still had the chance of getting other buses. i've said in other posts before people have the attitude of " i dont care who i delay as long as i'm alright jack".
driver was correct the bunk. if someone came banging on my doors there aint a hope in hell of them getting on. when the doors close we're watching our offside for any traffic coming up and waiting for a chance to move off. the last thing we're looking at is some clown trying to put them selves in danger.
a number of years ago something like you are endorsing happened. the out come was the guy went under the front wheels of the bus after loosing his footing, lost his legs and died a short time later in hospital.
dublin bus by-laws in boarding and lighting.
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/About-Us/Dublin-Bus-Bye-Laws/Boarding-and-Alighting/
No person shall attempt to board or to alight from the vehicle after the doors have commenced to close.
as victor said you might have a slim chance of getting on by being polite.
BUT FOR GODS SAKE DO NOT COME UP BANGING ON THE SIDE OF THE BUS .IN MOST CASES WE WONT EVEN SEE YOU UNTIL IT'S TO LATE ,YOU WILL NOT GET ON..
as a rule of thumb to everyone else. i'm sorry but if your not at the stop when the doors are closing i'm afraid you'll have to get the next bus. i've those already on board to consider.

Fair point actually mate.

n97 mini

This poor chap narrowly missed the 4am 33N to Balbriggan. He chased the bus half way up D'Olier street, and pleaded with the bus driver to let him on as the bus was stopped at the traffic lights for a minute or so. This was when I photographed him.

For his own safety the driver should have let him on rather than ignoring him and leaving him standing in the middle of a busy road as traffic pulled off again.

How much is a taxi to Balbriggan?

fly_agaric

n97 mini wrote: »

For his own safety the driver should have let him on rather than ignoring him and leaving him standing in the middle of a busy road as traffic pulled off again.

afaik they are not supposed to let people on or off other than at a stop.*

*Probably due to prospect of legal actions rather than shibboleths that come out in these sorts of discussions [Dublin Bus staff laziness, ignorance, arrogance (or posionous mixture of the 3), public sector unions etc]

Losty Dublin

n97 mini wrote: »

This poor chap narrowly missed the 4am 33N to Balbriggan. He chased the bus half way up D'Olier street, and pleaded with the bus driver to let him on as the bus was stopped at the traffic lights for a minute or so. This was when I photographed him.

For his own safety the driver should have let him on rather than ignoring him and leaving him standing in the middle of a busy road as traffic pulled off again.

How much is a taxi to Balbriggan?

A taxi from town to Balbriggan would be around €70-€80.

If yer man reckons that it's worth saving that while risking his life chasing up the street at all hours o clock for the sake of one more mouthful of takeaway that's fair enough.

What would the driver do if he had have fallen over while getting into the bus and inured himself?

n97 mini

Losty Dublin wrote: »

What would the driver do if he had have fallen over while getting into the bus and inured himself?

Couldn't he have done that before the bus left too?

More realistically, how would the driver feel if the young chap was run down outside the door of his bus, the door that he refused to open?

I do remember when there was a bit common sense and courtesy shown by the public services in this country. I think it's sad that we've come to this, where with rules and regulations seem to be there for the sake of 'insurance' or some other crap, and that the things that made this country famous, are indeed maybe with O'Leary in the grave.

CIE

Been looking at this thread on and off for a couple of hours. Is there any point to it?

Losty Dublin

n97 mini wrote: »

Couldn't he have done that before the bus left too?

More realistically, how would the driver feel if the young chap was run down outside the door of his bus, the door that he refused to open?

I do remember when there was a bit common sense and courtesy shown by the public services in this country. I think it's sad that we've come to this, where with rules and regulations seem to be there for the sake of 'insurance' or some other crap, and that the things that made this country famous, are indeed maybe with O'Leary in the grave.

Of course he could have but at least he'd have fallen onto the path or bus cab and not in front of the same cars you reckoned the driver should be saving him from. I am sure Mean Machine or Alek will spell it out from their side of things as bus drivers. Certainly when I was driving the streets I erred on safety's side when it came to picking up and dropping off fares by way of pulling up to a path if it was possible. I chose to do that simply because I didn't want to be skinned with a claim through the actions of some eejit who'd invariably cost my policy if a claim as made.

n97 mini

Would letting him on the bus have been more of a risk than leaving him standing in the middle of traffic on D'Olier St? Seriously?

Cookie_Monster

CIE wrote: »

Been looking at this thread on and off for a couple of hours. Is there any point to it?

don't think so. The OP's accusation of racism is ridiculous in the circumstances and aside from that he just missed the bus...

spareman

n97 mini wrote: »

Would letting him on the bus have been more of a risk than leaving him standing in the middle of traffic on D'Olier St? Seriously?

few pointers from the other side......

At the end of the day if some guy want's to stand in the middle of D'olier street and play in the traffic at 4.01am thats up to him, Once I open the door his safety now becomes my responsibility, along with the other passengers already on board.

Can you imagine I open the door, The guy steps on, without falling, all seems fine, traffic starts to move, and suddenly a passenger already on the bus decides he wants out and makes a dart for the door, catching his trailing foot in the closing door and falling flat out in the road straight under another vehicle.

Who's fault would that be?

Who would lose his Job?

Who would have to explain to his wife and kids that the mortgage wont be getting paid no more.

On top of possible charges brought by the Garda.

It really is simple, If your not at the stop when the doors begin to close, then Im sorry you've missed your bus, Just the same as the Dart, Luas etc.

Your bad timing is not worth my Job and my family's welfare.

mikemac

n97 mini wrote: »

For his own safety the driver should have let him on rather than ignoring him and leaving him standing in the middle of a busy road as traffic pulled off again

Protect thyself, good advice for any job and not just drivers.

Yeah I've often seen that where a bus pulls into traffic just up the road from the bus stop and will not let people on the bus.

But this is a city and kamikaze cyclists and scooters cut up the inside of buses.
I'm know as I am one of them :pac:
A pedestrian standing on the road banging on the door is real danger of getting a belt.

And if he hops on the bus, slips and falls then ca-ching, get me a solicitor. Or maybe there won't be a claim but either way the driver has to go meet management which is stressful.

There are hostels and hotels in Dublin and you can get a room for less then the price of a taxi to Balbriggan. At the very worst, he has to wait a few hours until morning buses start up.

The lad has options, the driver has bills to pay and a lot of people ready to take his job if he looses it


And the OP has still not come back to explain what racism they experienced here, where are you OP?

Victor

n97 mini wrote: »

For his own safety the driver should have let him on rather than ignoring him and leaving him standing in the middle of a busy road as traffic pulled off again.

No. Letting people on like that will only encourage more people to do it. Any person who engages in unsafe behaviour to try to get on the bus should not be allowed on.

AlekSmart

n97 mini wrote: »

This poor chap narrowly missed the 4am 33N to Balbriggan. He chased the bus half way up D'Olier street, and pleaded with the bus driver to let him on as the bus was stopped at the traffic lights for a minute or so. This was when I photographed him.

For his own safety the driver should have let him on rather than ignoring him and leaving him standing in the middle of a busy road as traffic pulled off again.

How much is a taxi to Balbriggan?

Absolutely not.

Firstly,at this point the individual is not my responsibility,the instant I open the doors in the Third traffic lane his welfare becomes TOTALLY mine.

Secondly,if irrelevant,do we know that Balbriggan was his intended destination....it could have been Drumcondra for all we know..?

Thirdly had the lad any companions lurking behind shot or in the Centra waiting to see if those doors opened only then to make a dash across the car's the cars bonnet to get on also.

Sorry N97mini,your photo embraces ALL of the relevant reasons for keeping those doors closed,if fact it reinforces them if anything.

n97 mini

In a sea of excuses not to let that customer on, this is the only one with a modicum of validity:

Victor wrote: »

No. Letting people on like that will only encourage more people to do it.

parsi

n97 mini wrote: »

I think it's sad that we've come to this, where with rules and regulations seem to be there for the sake of 'insurance' or some other crap, and that the things that made this country famous, are indeed maybe with O'Leary in the grave.

It was actually O'Leary who started this culture of adhering strictly to the rules come hell or high water.

The_Wrecker

Its the same with all companies, obey the rules and regulations as they will have time for you unless you can prove the bus/train/plane departed early.
As a Driver once i close the doors and indicate, im not a ticket seller anymore im interacting with other road users.
I was a victim of this in the last decade and i cost my employer 16k.

Losty Dublin

n97 mini wrote: »

In a sea of excuses not to let that customer on, this is the only one with a modicum of validity:

Don't forget the rest of Victor's quote lest it takes away from it's actual meaning and possibly twists it's real meaning. I've bolded the omitted bit just in case

Victor wrote: »

No. Letting people on like that will only encourage more people to do it. Any person who engages in unsafe behaviour to try to get on the bus should not be allowed on.

FruitLover

jimcorbet wrote: »

I feel this as clearly discrimination

This kind of bleating makes life more difficult for people who genuinely become victims of racial discrimination. If the race card gets played too many times without reason, it becomes like the boy who cried wolf.

n97 mini

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Don't forget the rest of Victor's quote lest it takes away from it's actual meaning and possibly twists it's real meaning. I've bolded the omitted bit just in case

That was good of you. Here's the bit you emboldened again:

Any person who engages in unsafe behaviour to try to get on the bus should not be allowed on.

Now, in this case they shouldn't have been allowed on to teach them a lesson of course. Crime doesn't pay and all that.

And like the driver, we'll just ignore the rest of the situation with the traffic at a busy junction at night etc etc etc, as teaching them that lesson is obviously more important.

meanmachine3

this thread is nearly two days old and still no sign of the O.P :rolleyes:.,no doubt he's probably offline reading the comments and if so.O.P. we're all still waiting for you to back up your claim of racist discrimination.

Losty Dublin

n97 mini wrote: »

That was good of you. Here's the bit you emboldened again:.

You seem to be less bothered about blaming the passenger who solely took the chance of risking his own safety and more concerned with blaming the bus driver for the passenger's risk. Thank you for your input :rolleyes:

jimcorbet

meanmachine3 wrote: »

this thread is nearly two days old and still no sign of the O.P :rolleyes:.,no doubt he's probably offline reading the comments and if so.O.P. we're all still waiting for you to back up your claim of racist discrimination.

Ok, So I may gone a bit over with racism but there was discrimination. As I said the driver allowed a girl in front of me to get in the bus but as I was at the doors they were closed, And I didn't exactly bang on the doors, I knocked and the driver looked at me.

Now other days, I have seen the driver let people on even after the doors had been closed.

And as to the fact that the driver had seen me. I saw him looking at me as I crossed the road to get to the bus.

The Skulls

jimcorbet wrote: »

meanmachine3 wrote: »

this thread is nearly two days old and still no sign of the O.P :rolleyes:.,no doubt he's probably offline reading the comments and if so.O.P. we're all still waiting for you to back up your claim of racist discrimination.

Ok, So I may gone a bit over with racism but there was discrimination. As I said the driver allowed a girl in front of me to get in the bus but as I was at the doors they were closed, And I didn't exactly bang on the doors, I knocked and the driver looked at me.

Now other days, I have seen the driver let people on even after the doors had been closed.

And as to the fact that the driver had seen me. I saw him looking at me as I crossed the road to get to the bus.

I'm sorry but how does this qualify as racism? This has yet to be clarified. To be honest I think you have a cheek claiming racism when you've yet to prove any hint of it. Fact is you weren't at the bus stop, driver left on time & you don't like it. Its happened to most of us.

OurLadyofKnock

Is it just me or is anyone else completely confused and bewildered at the initial racism claim?

Either something is racist or it isn't.

The Skulls

OurLadyofKnock wrote: »

Is it just me or is anyone else completely confused and bewildered at the initial racism claim?

Either something is racist or it isn't.

It's my opinion the OP deliberately used the term racist to attract attention & elicit responses, I agree that DB staff are Far from perfect but considering that one of them went out of his way to help me during last years bad snow then I feel the majority of them are decent people with a difficult job to do & people like the OP have a chip on their shoulder when the rules are applied to them. OP; get over it & move on, you seem bitter. That's just life after all.