Do protestors have jobs?

joela

Other than protesting about things? I would love to take off and shout slogans, ok that was a lie, but I would love to skive off work except I'd have no money. However the obstacle I can't overcome is the job bit, no matter how much I try to persuade my boss that it is imperative for me to go and live in a yurt.

So again, do protestors who seem to appear at every available protest and campaign for every perceived wrong have jobs? If they have jobs then I want the ones they have got and if they haven't got jobs then are they claiming social welfare? If they are claiming social welfare shouldn't they be showing that they are actively seeking employment? If they are actively seeking employment then how come they are off chanting slogans and living in yurts for weeks, months and years? If they are not actively seeking employment shouldn't they be the very people that the social welfare system targets for benefit fraud? If you protest against every facet of the system isn't it then somehow hypocritical and wrong that you take money from the coffers of the system?

Just wondering like.......................

Oranage2

Arent all the protests these days about not enough jobs?


That or student fees and you can put your bottom dollar on it that lazy students dont work!

Feeona

joela wrote: »

Other than protesting about things? I would love to take off and shout slogans, ok that was a lie, but I would love to skive off work except I'd have no money. However the obstacle I can't overcome is the job bit, no matter how much I try to persuade my boss that it is imperative for me to go and live in a yurt.

So again, do protestors who seem to appear at every available protest and campaign for every perceived wrong have jobs? If they have jobs then I want the ones they have got and if they haven't got jobs then are they claiming social welfare? If they are claiming social welfare shouldn't they be showing that they are actively seeking employment? If they are actively seeking employment then how come they are off chanting slogans and living in yurts for weeks, months and years? If they are not actively seeking employment shouldn't they be the very people that the social welfare system targets for benefit fraud? If you protest against every facet of the system isn't it then somehow hypocritical and wrong that you take money from the coffers of the system?

Well fix it dear Henry, dear Henry, dear Henry

hondasam

If they had jobs they would not have time for protesting.

joshrogan

They can do it every day except Thursday, that's dole day.

Micky Dolenz

Ask them all and then report back here with your findings.

Guill

Protesting is a full time job.

MungBean

You sure ya dont mean activists ?

mikemac

Maura Harrington of Shell to Sea is a retired school principal for an example OP
Lots of time free for protesting

Her hunger strike didn't finish her off anyway

Teclo

MungBean wrote: »

You sure ya dont mean activists ?

But are they in any way active when they're not protesting?

hondasam

MungBean wrote: »

You sure ya dont mean activists ?

Some of them are active, causing trouble and protesting about stuff they know nothing about.

joela

I'd like to ask them but yurts don't have addresses!

Maura Harrington is slightly different than the average bear (protestor) boo boo. Was she on hunger strike? That whole Shell to Sea thing has gotten beyond confusing at this stage, who's side am I meant to be on again?

@Feeona not sure how I can fix it, give up my job, go on the dole and go protesting?

joela

Guill wrote: »

Protesting is a full time job.

Paid or unpaid? Maybe you the government job bridge protesting and I could intern for dole + €50/week?

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

I've been involved in a lot of protests and most of the people I've associated with during them do indeed work, as well as study. But don't let this ruin your image of the unemployed layabouts protesting which clearly fits your world view so well.

MungBean

Teclo wrote: »

But are they in any way active when they're not protesting?

Vast majority of protesters are people who come out on the day. Plenty of them who have jobs. Plenty of protests are organised by workers unions. So why do people link protesters with unemployment ?

Activists on the other hand are professional protesters and go from one thing to the next to create trouble.

joela

MungBean wrote: »

Vast majority of protesters are people who come out on the day. Plenty of them who have jobs. Plenty of protests are organised by workers unions. So why do people link protesters with unemployment ?

Activists on the other hand are professional protesters and go from one thing to the next to create trouble.

Ok I guess I meant professional protestors as opposed to people who march for particular causes on occasion but live and work like the rest of the population otherwise.

hondasam

MungBean wrote: »

Vast majority of protesters are people who come out on the day. Plenty of them who have jobs. Plenty of protests are organised by workers unions. So why do people link protesters with unemployment ?

Activists on the other hand are professional protesters and go from one thing to the next to create trouble.

The op might not have been clear on what he was talking about, I think he meant Activists.

Oddjob

joela wrote: »

Ok I guess I meant professional protestors as opposed to people who march for particular causes on occasion but live and work like the rest of the population otherwise.

No, they're generally wasters who will protest about any old bollocks.

Like Richard Boyd Barrett.

joela

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I've been involved in a lot of protests and most of the people I've associated with during them do indeed work, as well as study. But don't let this ruin your image of the unemployed layabouts protesting which clearly fits your world view so well.

Where did I say that? I asked do the people who seem to protest at the drop of a hat have jobs. I have protested myself a couple of times but usually if the protest is on a day I am not working as it would be difficult to get so much time off so hence my question.

MungBean

joela wrote: »

Ok I guess I meant professional protestors as opposed to people who march for particular causes on occasion but live and work like the rest of the population otherwise.

So your talking about activist groups then. I'd imagine the majority of people involved in those groups are unemployed alright. And I'd agree it is quite hypocritical to spend your time fighting the man yet ever Friday lining up for the weekly payout that they might not need if they spent their time trying to find employment instead of creating trouble.

But they will occasionally release a youtube clip or smear some mud on a chipper bag and proclaim themselves artists too. Is struggling artist a job?

joela

MungBean wrote: »

So your talking about activist groups then. I'd imagine the majority of people involved in those groups are unemployed alright. And I'd agree it is quite hypocritical to spend your time fighting the man yet ever Friday lining up for the weekly payout that they might not need if they spent their time trying to find employment instead of creating trouble.

But they will occasionally release a youtube clip or smear some mud on a chipper bag and proclaim themselves artists too. Is struggling artist a job?

I guess struggling artist could be actively seeking work though inspiration by protesting?

hondasam

MungBean wrote: »

But they will occasionally release a youtube clip or smear some mud on a chipper bag and proclaim themselves artists too. Is struggling artist a job?

:D LOL very good.

LeixlipRed

Do idiots have jobs?

Oranage2

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Do idiots have jobs?

Yes just go into a Dunnes anywhere!

SafeSurfer

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Do idiots have jobs?

Is there a point to your question?

techyjon

I know one guy who doesn't work who spends his life posting socialist links on facebook, attending meetings & protesting. Alot of these university graduates are full of their own importance and think that they are helping society when in fact they are just a nuisance and a parasite.

donalg1

They only protest cause they got nothing better to do, gives em a sense of purpose if they were employable they wouldn't bother with protest they'd go to work instead

SafeSurfer

joela wrote: »

Other than protesting about things? I would love to take off and shout slogans, ok that was a lie, but I would love to skive off work except I'd have no money. However the obstacle I can't overcome is the job bit, no matter how much I try to persuade my boss that it is imperative for me to go and live in a yurt.

So again, do protestors who seem to appear at every available protest and campaign for every perceived wrong have jobs? If they have jobs then I want the ones they have got and if they haven't got jobs then are they claiming social welfare? If they are claiming social welfare shouldn't they be showing that they are actively seeking employment? If they are actively seeking employment then how come they are off chanting slogans and living in yurts for weeks, months and years? If they are not actively seeking employment shouldn't they be the very people that the social welfare system targets for benefit fraud? If you protest against every facet of the system isn't it then somehow hypocritical and wrong that you take money from the coffers of the system?

Just wondering like.......................

You mean people like Rosa Parks?

Lech Walesa

Mohamed Ali

Ceasr Chazez

John Hume

and all of these

http://www.topyaps.com/top-10-famous-protests/

Why does it matter to you if people who wish to change the staus quo are in employmrnt or not?

SafeSurfer

techyjon wrote: »

I know one guy who doesn't work who spends his life posting socialist links on facebook, attending meetings & protesting. Alot of these university graduates are full of their own importance and think that they are helping society when in fact they are just a nuisance and a parasite.

Nothing like our politicians and corrupt financial system then.

Socialist links on Facebook? Obviously he should be in jail. :rolleyes:

MungBean

techyjon wrote: »

I know one guy who doesn't work who spends his life posting socialist links on facebook, attending meetings & protesting. Alot of these university graduates are full of their own importance and think that they are helping society when in fact they are just a nuisance and a parasite.

And I know one guy who owns a business and he's sole purpose in life is to make as much money as possible buy charging as much as possible for the product while paying the workers as little as possible to do the work.

Some people think they are entrepreneurs when all the are are greedy self serving slave drivers. If those workers did nothing and said nothing they would eventually be working for nothing.

Point being. Sometimes people have to make a stand to protect their interests as human beings. Protesters are only a nuisances to those who cannot benefit from what they are doing.

Some people take it too far and turn it into a chance to try and achieve whatever they are after with violence and by creating anarchy. But most people who take part in peaceful protests are just trying to effect change the only way that they can. And posting socialist links, attending meetings and protests is hardly enough to call someone a parasite.

DEFTLEFTHAND

I had to laugh at one of the Dale Farm protesters who while giving an interview referred to his occupation as 'Professional Activist'.

MungBean

donalg1 wrote: »

They only protest cause they got nothing better to do, gives em a sense of purpose if they were employable they wouldn't bother with protest they'd go to work instead

Your straying into generalisation again. Who's they ? The previous post yo yours referenced a socialist student who has attended some protests. Are we still talking about activists/anarchists here or are you lumping all protesters together again ?

SafeSurfer

donalg1 wrote: »

They only protest cause they got nothing better to do, gives em a sense of purpose if they were employable they wouldn't bother with protest they'd go to work instead

What do you think people are, worker ants?

Is the only function of humans to work if they are lucky enough to have a job and never question the system or conditions in which they live and work?

If you have a grievence at work do you just keep your head down and keep working? What if your wages are cut by a quarter, a half? Of course you wouldn't protest you would continue working and look down on anyone who protests instead, right?

joela

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You mean people like Rosa Parks?

Lech Walesa

Mohamed Ali

Ceasr Chazez

John Hume

and all of these

http://www.topyaps.com/top-10-famous-protests/

Why does it matter to you if people who wish to change the staus quo are in employmrnt or not?

All slightly different protestors than those I am referring to and I think you know that. Rosa Parks lost her job because of that day on the bus, those are world altering events. The activists I am referrring to seem to jump from protest to protest.

It does matter if they are unemployed and claiming social welfare, if you are going to campaign against aspects of the state you live in then you can't expect to be paid for it out of state coffers. Just because I work and don't go out protesting for every single incident doesn't mean I am not an actively concerned citizen. There are many ways to express your disatisfaction with a system, I personally don't believe you have the right to challenge that system if you refuse to be a responsible, fair, contributing member.

joela

Ah but here is a nice juicy topic, has socialism ever really worked and is a socialist society likely to work somewhere like Ireland?

MungBean

joela wrote: »

Ah but here is a nice juicy topic, has socialism ever really worked and is a socialist society likely to work somewhere like Ireland?

Been done to death. Answer is most people dont even know what socialism is and will point to Soviet Russia as a great example of why it will never work.

That question leads nowhere.

jill_valentine

I've attended a lot of protests. I work and study, so to be honest, my "activism" such as it is, is largely relegated to weekends and summertime now, if it's something substantial, I might shuffle a shift around with a workmate.

I do find it deeply disheartening to see protest after protest hijacked by "professional activists". Dilutes any use any protest might have.

PseudoFamous

Oranage2 wrote: »

That or student fees and you can put your bottom dollar on it that lazy students dont work!

I'd say I probably work a helluva lot harder than you do, as a "lazy student". I'll bet you don't have a 62-68 hour week to do due to living 80km away from your work or study because you can't afford to live nearer (Due to fees, surprisingly). I'll bet you don't get up at 6am to be back at 9pm. I also have homework, study and assignments to do, adding many hours to that figure.

I'd appreciate you to not make such sweeping generalisations, thanks.

SafeSurfer

joela wrote: »

All slightly different protestors than those I am referring to and I think you know that. Rosa Parks lost her job because of that day on the bus, those are world altering events. The activists I am referrring to seem to jump from protest to protest.

It does matter if they are unemployed and claiming social welfare, if you are going to campaign against aspects of the state you live in then you can't expect to be paid for it out of state coffers. Just because I work and don't go out protesting for every single incident doesn't mean I am not an actively concerned citizen. There are many ways to express your disatisfaction with a system, I personally don't believe you have the right to challenge that system if you refuse to be a responsible, fair, contributing member.

Why does it matter if protesters are unemployed or claiming social welfare?

Or retired or disabled or gay or whatever.

Do you think that only taxpayers, those who contribute have a right to protest?

Why not limit the right to vote to those earning over 100,000, those that really make a contribution?

Or limit the franchise to property and business owners?

Is this where your argument is going?

Zebra3

joela wrote: »

The activists I am referrring to seem to jump from protest to protest.

Can you give us one real example of this happening?

MadsL

Consider the lillies...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9czBBKof7Yo

Richard Hillman

They have part time jobs at Placards-R-Us. Protests are just a corporate ploy for the placard making industry.

Pete M.

joela wrote: »

Ah but here is a nice juicy topic, has socialism ever really worked and is a socialist society likely to work somewhere like Ireland?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba

Ok so it ain't so hot here and we don't have a Fidel.

Your jibes about us protesters ain't gonna keep us brothers down you know :cool:

Just because you don't give a sh1t doesn't mean lots of folks don't.

I have a job. I protest.

I protest because lots of people don't have jobs and because corporate welfare has indebted us all.

I'm also an 'activist' and spend quite a lot of my time devoted to the cause.


I don't agree with the way in which society is currently run.
So I'm trying to do something about it. Problem?

donalg1

SafeSurfer wrote: »

What do you think people are, worker ants?

Is the only function of humans to work if they are lucky enough to have a job and never question the system or conditions in which they live and work?

If you have a grievence at work do you just keep your head down and keep working? What if your wages are cut by a quarter, a half? Of course you wouldn't protest you would continue working and look down on anyone who protests instead, right?

Exactly, because at the end of it all what does protesting actually achieve, i work for a firm and they decide to cut my wages by a quarter, they do it and I protest but my next pay packet will still be a quarter less regardless of any protest i may hold, if they were worried or swayed by protests they wouldnt cut em in the first place.

Sonnenblumen

Yeah they have jobs - sponsored assholes usually.:(

fat__tony

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I had to laugh at one of the Dale Farm protesters who while giving an interview referred to his occupation as 'Professional Activist'.

I would have thought that 'Professional Oxygen Thief' would be more appropriate.

TheyKnowMyIP

Socialist loonies with real jobs? Don't make me laugh.

Logical Fallacy

joela wrote: »

Other than protesting about things? I would love to take off and shout slogans, ok that was a lie, but I would love to skive off work except I'd have no money. However the obstacle I can't overcome is the job bit, no matter how much I try to persuade my boss that it is imperative for me to go and live in a yurt.

So again, do protestors who seem to appear at every available protest and campaign for every perceived wrong have jobs? If they have jobs then I want the ones they have got and if they haven't got jobs then are they claiming social welfare? If they are claiming social welfare shouldn't they be showing that they are actively seeking employment? If they are actively seeking employment then how come they are off chanting slogans and living in yurts for weeks, months and years? If they are not actively seeking employment shouldn't they be the very people that the social welfare system targets for benefit fraud? If you protest against every facet of the system isn't it then somehow hypocritical and wrong that you take money from the coffers of the system?

Just wondering like.......................

If you moan about having a job so much...why not quit?

****ing moaners.

TheyKnowMyIP

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

If you moan about having a job so much...why not quit?

****ing moaners.

Quitting is for losers and socialists.

Logical Fallacy

TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »

Quitting is for losers and socialists.

Technically socialists never got started...so calling them quitters is an insult to people who give stuff up.

powerplant

Slightly hypocritical OP, since yer farting about on boards like the rest of us.