Taoiseach's advisors exceed pay cap

PeterIanStaker

The Taoiseach Enda Kenny has defended the decision to breach a pay cap for the salaries of his own special advisors.

Department of Finance guidelines set a limit of €92,000 for Government advisors, but two members of staff in the Taoiseach's office are paid a salary of €168,000.

Read more: http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/kenny-defends-pay-cap-breach-by-his-department-523109.html#ixzz1ZqM5T6tA


More proof that this shower are a mirror image of FF.

7golfer

tyipical ,,, of two -faced politicians,,
say one thing to the press, then do the oppisite behind everyones back,
is he going to change this??
dont vote for f.gael gay mitchel
let the voters speak!!!

Manach

My understanding is that Labour ministers are also paying such rates. Don't vote Michael D. then?

7golfer

yeah,, if that's what it takes,
labour no better,

conorhal

I wonder will they now buckle on the pay cap for bank executives?
It would seem that they don't have much of a moral high ground on which to stand when it comes to extraordinary exemptions and such.

Typical politicians, do as I say not as I do.

meditraitor

Manach wrote: »

My understanding is that Labour ministers are also paying such rates. Don't vote Michael D. then?

Link?

meditraitor

7golfer wrote: »

yeah,, if that's what it takes,
labour no better,

Usual nonesense, a valid and perfectly reasonable compalint about the behaviour of FG gets derailed with cries of

"Labour are worse"

RMD

Even before the general election it was clear to see FG were just the same as FF, they just hadn't the necessary power to prove it yet. Doesn't matter what party is in power in this country, they'll still do a half assed job of running it as they know no better.

Tipp Man

I have no problem with this - assuming the guys n girls they are paying these high salaries to are worth it

People get up in arms when they see somebody earning a lot of money - I personally have no problem with it as long as they are worth it to the organisation.

I would rather pay 1 person good money and get a good job done than 5 people decent money and get a rubbish job done. It usually works out cheaper in the short and long run that way

There was an interesting interview with Michael Summers, formerly of the NTMA on RTE late on Monday night. I would like to see his methods of managing a public entity used in all public sector areas - we might see some value for our money then

Manach

meditraitor wrote: »

Link?

www.thejournal.ie

meditraitor

Manach wrote: »

www.thejournal.ie

There is nothing in that article to say labour are breaking the pay cap!

There is one tweet on the replies that imply it........ do I have to explain why I find posting a twitter rumour disingenuous in the contest of this forum?

Please provide proof to the claim that Labour are overshooting the pay ceiling for secretary/advisors or recind the remark!


Oh....And if they are, shame on them.......... the whole bloody lot of them

Crochet

Tipp Man wrote: »

I personally have no problem with it as long as they are worth it to the organisation.

Yeah but nearly always they are not worth it. Like the bankers they were all 'worth it' till we realised that they were indeed not worth it. A persons ability to 'adivse' is not worth these kind of sums - this is nonsense. I would rather put five people in there and take 5 people off the live register.

Manach

meditraitor wrote: »

There is nothing in that article to say labour are breaking the pay cap!

My apologies to you, in that I should have stated it was in the opinion sector.
The following is a link from the Examiner, political section, which does mention the cap being broken by the Tánaiste's advisers. link.

Tipp Man

Crochet wrote: »

Yeah but nearly always they are not worth it. Like the bankers they were all 'worth it' till we realised that they were indeed not worth it. A persons ability to 'adivse' is not worth these kind of sums - this is nonsense. I would rather put five people in there and take 5 people off the live register.

Regardless of the quality of the work?? Plenty of people earn big money and are worth every penny of it

You remind me of the FAS scheme in my local village - get as many idiots as you can to look busy and pay them well while they're at it

Crochet

Eh Tipp man - Why did you immediately pick idiots to employ. Thats odd. There are plenty of people of the calibre of these advisers (people who only offer opinions) who would work for a fraction of their wages.

Tipp Man

Crochet wrote: »

Eh Tipp man - Why did you immediately pick idiots to employ. Thats odd. There are plenty of people of the calibre of these advisers (people who only offer opinions) who would work for a fraction of their wages.

I have nothing to do with any FAS scheme so have no influence over who gets on it or not - it wouldn't bother me only for the fact it is costing a pure fortune to the taxpayer and is hiding people who are unemployed from the real unemployment numbers

So you want the cheapest people advising the government as opposed to the best people advising the government?? That is pure nuts and is so short sighted its unbelievable. A short term small gain but with huge potential downside which could cost a fortune

Note i am not saying that the government have hired or are paying for the best people, my point is that if they are very good then they should be paid accordingly.

thebman

Tipp Man wrote: »

I have no problem with this - assuming the guys n girls they are paying these high salaries to are worth it

People get up in arms when they see somebody earning a lot of money - I personally have no problem with it as long as they are worth it to the organisation.

I would rather pay 1 person good money and get a good job done than 5 people decent money and get a rubbish job done. It usually works out cheaper in the short and long run that way

There was an interesting interview with Michael Summers, formerly of the NTMA on RTE late on Monday night. I would like to see his methods of managing a public entity used in all public sector areas - we might see some value for our money then

I agree with you about Michael Summers but I must say the main problem I have with these appointments to breach salary caps is that there is no process for them or assessment of whether a person is worth such a wage. The Taoiseach is saying they are worth it but where has he put down on paper a request to breach the wage cap and his justification for doing so sent to an independent body for assessment?

Maybe the media just aren't showing us it but not much point of a salary cap you can breach at will with no paper trail on how it was decided they worth breaching the cap for.

Tipp Man

thebman wrote: »

I agree with you about Michael Summers but I must say the main problem I have with these appointments to breach salary caps is that there is no process for them or assessment of whether a person is worth such a wage. The Taoiseach is saying they are worth it but where has he put down on paper a request to breach the wage cap and his justification for doing so sent to an independent body for assessment?

Maybe the media just aren't showing us it but not much point of a salary cap you can breach at will with no paper trail on how it was decided they worth breaching the cap for.

Oh i agree completely

The processes and accountability (lack of) in government and public service are an absolute disgrace. Yet they make every other business in the country bend over backwards with rules and regulations

JustAddWater

It's an absolute DISGRACE

Now none other than 9, yes NINE department advisors are exceeding the pay cap, INCLUDING that of Joan Burton's department

The tainiste's are not even 1k or 2k over but f**king €63k to €75k over EACH

€75k is almost enough to pay for another advisor (who would be paid €80k - €92k within the cap)

The double standards and hypocrisy of these shower of pure buffoons is nothing short of rubbing our face in it.

These are the muppets who said to the bankers that they must their chiefs within the banking pay cap. Well, I have news for you clowns, it's called LEAD BY EXAMPLE! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Link: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/nine-ministers-exceed-pay-cap-for-advisors-524023.html

It is reported that nine Ministers are paying their special advisers more than the money-saving pay cap announced by Government.

The normal pay scale is €80,000 to €92,000, but nine Departments have secured exemptions.

Sinn Féin said it was ironic that advisers to Joan Burton's department of Social Protection were on higher rates "while the department is doggedly pursuing fraud".

The Taoiseach's two advisers earn €168,000 each while the Tánaiste's advisors earn €168,000 and €155,000. They are not subject to the pay ceilings.

one more for good measure: :mad:

Podge_irl

Crochet wrote: »

There are plenty of people of the calibre of these advisers (people who only offer opinions) who would work for a fraction of their wages.

Somehow I doubt that.

They're not offering "only opinions". They're offering informed opinions based on their expertise and experience.