Mitchell V McGuinness (& Dunphy) > Mitchell comes out fighting, and wins hands down!

LordSutch

Election battle Live on Air!

Eamon Dunphy talks to Gay Mitchell and Martin McGuinness in a heated debate/row.
Click > (Sunday 02nd/Ocrober) > http://media.newstalk.ie/podcast/26542/popup

Summary;
Listening to Gay Mitchell coming out fighting was a joy to listen to, he stands up to McGuinness & Dunphy & makes mince meat of both of them! brilliant Election battle, brilliant radio, brilliant attacks from Mitchell, who takes no waffle from McGuinness (or Dunphy), because as you will hear, Dunphy openly declared his backing for former Provisional IRA man McGuinness from the off (very unfair) Two against One, and this is what spurrs on Mitchell to attack both of them! Gay Mitchell is the 1st person I have ever heard down here dishing it out to McGuinness in a 'face to face' situation, and it was great to hear, electrifying radio at its best. Dunphy as usual sounds slightly sloshed and can't hide his hero worhip of McGuinness, and you will hear him getting more & more annoyed with Mitchell who dares to put it up to "his old mate Marty". But Mitchell is relentless & never gives up from the off, brilliant stuff, Gay Mitchell is a revelation to me, he really knows his onions, several times Mitchell gave a detailed answer to a garbled question from Dunphy, only to have McGuinness say words to the effect of 'I happen to agree with Gay in this sit-i-ation', for McGuinness (Like Adams) doesn't have a detailed grasp of the workings of the Southern State, so he really is a 2nd class candidate on that count too. Well done Gay, you are now getting my No: 1 vote.

Election Lunchtime date?
Put on the kettle, put your feet up, and enjoy the one hour+ Election Battle Royal

KeithAFC

Thanks. Will listen to this.

Richard tea

LordSutch wrote: »

Election battle Live on Air!

Eamon Dunphy talks to Gay Mitchell and Martin McGuinness in a heated debate/row.
Click > (Sunday 02nd/Ocrober) > http://media.newstalk.ie/podcast/26542/popup

Summary;
Listening to Gay Mitchell coming out fighting was a joy to listen to, he stands up to McGuinness & Dunphy & makes mince meat of both of them! brilliant Election battle, brilliant radio, brilliant attacks from Mitchell, who takes no waffle from McGuinness (or Dunphy), because as you will hear, Dunphy openly declared his backing for former Provisional IRA man McGuinness from the off (very unfair) Two against One, and this is what spurrs on Mitchell to attack both of them! Gay Mitchell is the 1st person I have ever heard down here dishing it out to McGuinness in a 'face to face' situation, and it was great to hear, electrifying radio at its best. Dunphy as usual sounds slightly sloshed and can't hide his hero worhip of McGuinness, and you will hear him getting more & more annoyed with Mitchell who dares to put it up to "his old mate Marty". But Mitchell is relentless & never gives up from the off, brilliant stuff, Gay Mitchell is a revelation to me, he really knows his onions, several times Mitchell gave a detailed answer to a garbled question from Dunphy, only to have McGuinness say words to the effect of 'I happen to agree with Gay in this sit-i-ation', for McGuinness (Like Adams) doesn't have a detailed grasp of the workings of the Southern State, so he really is a 2nd class candidate on that count too. Well done Gay, you are now getting my No: 1 vote.

Election Lunchtime date?
Put on the kettle, put your feet up, and enjoy the one hour+ Election Battle Royal

You dont honestly believe that do you? Really. No really. Oh wait now I get it, Its another McGuinness bashing thread:(

LordSutch

I suppose if anything its a 'Pro Gay Mitchell thread', and if you listen to the one hour clip you may become pro Gay yourself? Up until this interview I didn't rate Gay, indeed I had Norris or Michale D down as my top two, but now I am thinking that neither of them have the electricity, the energy, or the gonads to be the President, but Gay certainly does

The Internet Explorer

It's all about perceptions. One person will says wins, the other will say talks much quicker.

KeithAFC

That Gay Mitchell is incredible!

thebman

What exactly did Dunphy say while chairing this debate that showed he was biased against MMG before GM decided to accuse him of bias and not chairing the debate as GM put it?

KeithAFC

Mitchell was first class. His calling out of Dunphy and his clear bias from his newspaper article was great and to not allow Dunphy to set the agenda from the off in the discussion. That is the first time anyone so far asked Martin some real questions and put him under pressure.

BQQ

thebman wrote: »

What exactly did Dunphy say while chairing this debate that showed he was biased against MMG before GM decided to accuse him of bias and not chairing the debate as GM put it?

Nothing.
when challenged on the allegation, Mitchell could only say he had interrupted him.
Later, after repeated allegations of bias, Dunphy lost the head and said Mitchell was making a fool of himself.

GM's an experienced politician doing what politicians do (anything for votes). He's languishing in the polls and he sees votes in being the man who "stands up to McGuinness". He's basically courting the anti-MMG vote since he can't muster a pro-GM vote.
Ironically, MMG also benefits from this as it hardens his core support and earns him a small sympathy vote. [and GM is fully aware of that]

jank

I usually tend to vote for FG in elections but Mitchell made a fool of himself here. I was expecting these attacks at the end of the campaign but so soon is a sign of desperation. It will do more damage than good not only to Mitchell himself but to the wider FG party.
There is a reason why Enda didnt want him and that is now baring fruit. What is he? 5th of out 7? I think some of the D4 media as well would want to wake up and cop on.

jonniebgood1

LordSutch wrote: »

Up until this interview I didn't rate Gay, indeed I had Norris or Michale D down as my top two, but now I am thinking that neither of them have the electricity, the energy, or the gonads to be the President, but Gay certainly does

This was exactly what I thought but some people have already made their minds up and indeed opinions vary!

stomprockin

MMG was outstanding! he is getting my Vote after that.

Biggins

Mitchell's suicide joke is a bit bad.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/presidential-election/gay-mitchell-threatens-to-jump-in-liffey-in-suicide-gaffe-2894765.html

maccored

on the dunphy show, mitchell came out looking like a complete tit.

shaggykev

maccored wrote: »

on the dunphy show, mitchell came out looking like a complete tit.

Agreed. He tried to pin MMG on his wages & failed miserably. He attacked Dunphy because Dunphy had written favorably about MMG in a paper. Dunphy was just acting against the rest of the media who have been completely against MMG & attacked him worse than a gang of Bigotted Unionists.

Dunphy did nothing wrong in that interview & Gay Mitchell has shown himself up

jonniebgood1

shaggykev wrote: »

Dunphy did nothing wrong in that interview & Gay Mitchell has shown himself up

He told one of his guests he was making a fool out of himself.
Are you neutral in this debate?

Any examples of what MMG said that impressed people?

joseph brand

All I heard from the 'debate', (More like bash MMG for an hour) was this:

Nay Mitchell:"Teacher teacher Martin did this and that".
Dunphy:" Ahh grow up and stop shouting/ interrupting/ whining".
Nay Mitchell:"Waaaaaahhhh I want my Mammy".

But seriously, Nay Mitchell jumped in feet first, and for no reason at all, (unless Dunphy was sitting on MMG's lap in the studio) accused Dunphy of siding with MMG and being biased. Sounded like an ignorant and arrogant fool, like a lot of politicians, who wouldn't stop to listen. Using his heart and not his head.

He didn't even need Hogans' help. Tool.

COYW

shaggykev wrote: »

Dunphy was just acting against the rest of the media who have been completely against MMG & attacked him worse than a gang of Bigotted Unionists.

Why are people not allowed to question MMG? Norris is getting hammered by the media over the letters, Davis is getting hammered by the media over her business past and this is acceptable, yet when someone questions MMG, who genuinely has serious questions to answer about his past, its not allowed?

Questions about his past are going to be asked until he answers them truthfully. His current response doesn't add up. He is lying or his 'terrorist gone good' façade is false.

joseph brand

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

He told one of his guests he was making a fool out of himself.
Are you neutral in this debate?

Any examples of what MMG said that impressed people?

Nay Mitchell was shouting down MMG. Hardly appropriate behaviour for a debate. It's not easy to listen to that type of shouting on the radio and Dunphy was right to try to stop it. Any other host would / should have done the same.

shaggykev

COYW wrote: »

shaggykev wrote: »

Dunphy was just acting against the rest of the media who have been completely against MMG & attacked him worse than a gang of Bigotted Unionists.

Why are people not allowed to question MMG? Norris is getting hammered by the media over the letters, Davis is getting hammered by the media over her business past and this is acceptable, yet when someone questions MMG, who genuinely has serious questions to answer about his past, its not allowed?

Questions about his past are going to be asked until he answers them truthfully. His current response doesn't add up. He is lying or his 'terrorist gone good' façade is false.

I am neutral. Gave a FG candidate first choice at last election but I was really taken aback when the frontline dedicated an entire show to why MMG was not a suitable candidate & guest after guest attacked him. From RTE that was disgusting & the fact liveline ran a poll a few days later that stated MMG was in the lead means it turned people like myself towards MMG when before I would have been indifferent.


His IRA connections are a red herring. He is now the deputy first minister of Northern Ireland working side by side with Peter Robinson. If he worked or led the IRA in the 70s, 80s or 90s does not matter.

IRA is a dirty word to most uneducated people as they cannot distinguish between Michael Collins IRA, Provos, Real, CIRA etc.

Martin Mc Guinness had nothing to do with Omagh etc which media etc are trying to brainwash the masses to believe with their constant MMG IRA Sinn Fein comments

COYW

shaggykev wrote: »

His IRA connections are a red herring.

MMG sells himself on the fact that he was part of the IRA. Are you suggesting that he was never of part of it at all? It is a core part of his political persona when it suits him.

shaggykev wrote: »

IRA is a dirty word to most uneducated people as they cannot distinguish between Michael Collins IRA, Provos, Real, CIRA etc.

Martin Mc Guinness had nothing to do with Omagh etc which media etc are trying to brainwash the masses to believe with their constant MMG IRA Sinn Fein comments

Yes those of us who don't consider the IRA cira 1916 and 1970+, to be one of the same are uneducated and brainwashed. That adds up alright. Finally, who in the media suggested that MMG has some part in the Omagh bombings?

shaggykev

COYW wrote: »

shaggykev wrote: »

His IRA connections are a red herring. He is now the deputy first minister of Northern Ireland working side by side with Peter Robinson. If he worked or led the IRA in the 70s, 80s or 90s does not matter.

MMG sells himself on the fact that he was part of the IRA. Are you suggesting that he was never of part of it at all? It is a core part of his political persona.

shaggykev wrote: »

IRA is a dirty word to most uneducated people as they cannot distinguish between Michael Collins IRA, Provos, Real, CIRA etc.

Martin Mc Guinness had nothing to do with Omagh etc which media etc are trying to brainwash the masses to believe with their constant MMG IRA Sinn Fein comments

Yes those of us who don't consider the IRA cira 1916 and 1970+, to be one of the same are uneducated and brainwashed. That adds up alright. Finally, who in the media suggested that MMG has some part in the Omagh bombings?

I have listened to commentators again & again refer to Sinn Fein as Sinn Fein IRA. The unionists dint even do that anymore.

It's a deliberate attempt to reemphasize that Sinn Fein are evil. Most Irish people hear IRA and think bombs and murder.

Keep repeating this over and over & people cannot separate MMG from those who planted those bombs that killed innocent lives at Omagh

jonniebgood1

shaggykev wrote: »

I have listened to commentators again & again refer to Sinn Fein as Sinn Fein IRA. The unionists dint even do that anymore.

It's a deliberate attempt to reemphasize that Sinn Fein are evil. Most Irish people hear IRA and think bombs and murder.

Keep repeating this over and over & people cannot separate MMG from those who planted those bombs that killed innocent lives at Omagh

A fairly weak attempt at a link i'd say. Was Omagh not well after the ceasefire and by a breakaway group that McG was strongly against. Your opinion of 'most irish people' is very low if thats what you think.

What commentators have you heard call them Sinn Fein IRA (you say again and again)? Link/ source please.

shaggykev

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

shaggykev wrote: »

I have listened to commentators again & again refer to Sinn Fein as Sinn Fein IRA. The unionists dint even do that anymore.

It's a deliberate attempt to reemphasize that Sinn Fein are evil. Most Irish people hear IRA and think bombs and murder.

Keep repeating this over and over & people cannot separate MMG from those who planted those bombs that killed innocent lives at Omagh

A fairly weak attempt at a link i'd say. Was Omagh not well after the ceasefire and by a breakaway group that McG was strongly against. Your opinion of 'most irish people' is very low if thats what you think.

What commentators have you heard call them Sinn Fein IRA (you say again and again)? Link/ source please.

I hope the Irish are too smart for that. Go to previous weeks Dunphy show for IRA Sinn Fein and frontline episode

UDP

Gay Mitchell has lost my vote anyway. Sounds like a cry baby.

My vote now is:
1. Michael D
2. MMcG
3. Seán Gallagher
4. David Norris

niallers1

Gay Mitchell was just embarrassing..Acting like spoilt teenager..

LordSutch

shaggykev wrote: »

Agreed. He tried to pin MMG on his wages & failed miserably. He attacked Dunphy because Dunphy had written favorably about MMG in a paper. Dunphy was just acting against the rest of the media who have been completely against MMG & attacked him worse than a gang of Bigotted Unionists.

Dunphy did nothing wrong in that interview & Gay Mitchell has shown himself up

Dunphy is meant to be an impartial interviewer, right? that is what interviewers do? isnt it? But Dunphy had nailed his pro-McGuinness colours to the mast pre interview, which then spilled over into the interview itself, hence Gay's diserved annoyance. Gay wasn't just debating with McGuinness, but he was up against a primed & self proclaimed pro-McGuinness interviewer!!! and as regards the other issue 're McGuinness's wages, Gay played a blinder, and for the 1st trime ever he actually got McGuinness to admit that he does indeed receive the Queens shilling in the form of expenses from Westminster ) brilliant!

Fantistic display from Gay Mitchell, a worthy candidate for the Aras who will now get my vote.

problemchimp

Gay Mitchell has been waffling around here for years!

LordSutch

problemchimp wrote: »

Gay Mitchell has been waffling around here for years!

Maybe, but he was never a Provo!

problemchimp

I was just quoting Bertie, relax

stewie01

LordSutch wrote: »

Dunphy is meant to be an impartial interviewer, right? that is what interviewers do? isnt it? But Dunphy had nailed his pro-McGuinness colours to the mast pre the interview, which then spilled over into the interview itself hence Gay's annoyance! and as regards the other issue 're McGuinness's wages, Gay played a blinder, and for the 1st trime ever he actually got McGuinness to admit that he does indeed receive the Queens shilling in the form of expenses from Westminster ) brilliant!

Fantistic display from Gay Mitchell, a worthy candidate for the Aras who will now get my vote.

Do you think if you keep writing this tripe we will all change our opinion.

Listen back to the start of the show and you will HEAR it was gay Mitchell who started down the road that dunphy is mmg PAL, and they where working in cahoots to stitch GM up.

Its funny how he hasnt complained once about the blatant continuous attacks on MMGs past when their all sitting on RTE shows.

FG need to sack what ever PR agency they use. Brutal stuff.

Mitchell came off in an extremely bad light at the start with the usual preeminent rubbish about mmg, but when he settled down to talk about proper topics did himself a little justice, sadly he lost my interest with the BS start.

flash1080

A lot of neutrals were put off voting for Mitchell in that interview. Mitchell's and FG's attacks smack of desperation, FG don't want to be embarrassed when the results come out so they're trying to stir up their own hardcore support to vote for him.

Bozacke

LordSutch wrote: »

Maybe, but he was never a Provo!

So you're implying that someone who's a fool and who has been waffling around for years is superior to someone who was once a Provo. So what's wrong with someone who was once a Provo? As you must know, someone who was once a Provo is former member of the Provisional Irish Republican Army. The Provisional Irish Republican Army was an Irish republican paramilitary organisation and in addition to a United Ireland, one of their main aims was civil rights and to bring an end to the discrimination against Catholics. Well like it or not, it worked! The peace process is working in Northern Ireland thanks to people like Martin McGuinness, Gerry Adams, Peter Robinson and Ian Paisley, who many never believed could actually sit down together and agree on anything. But despite their differences, they brokered an unprecedented Peace alliance and have blazed a great new chapter in Irish history. Unfortunately yourself and most of the blinded Irish media are stuck in the past and are too busy bashing a great Irish Patriot like Martin McGuinness, rather than see the changes he has helped to implement. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, many people like yourself will always be stuck with your prejudices and you cannot see the forest for the trees. Even your moniker gives a glimpse into who you are and what you want and peace isn't enough for you, and all you care about is your own selfish desires. Well it was selfish people like that who have gotten this country into all of our problems including our current financial crisis and although the President in Ireland doesn't possess that much power, considering our current predicament, we need a great selfless person like McGuinness, not a self-loathing buffoon like Mitchell.

thebman

Here is what I heard listening to this piece.

A debate starts and Dunphy asks the same questions of both candidates then asks follow up questions on their answers to those questions.

Mitchell decides he wants to challenge MMG on his expenses and proceeds to do so. MMG has not attacked Mitchell at all in this time. Then Dunphy tries to settle Mitchell down and he gets accused of bias immediately. Then the whole thing descends into madness as once he accuses the host of bias, of course the host is going to defend himself. They should have shutdown the whole thing then IMO and kicked Mitchell out of the studio and told him not to come back as it is a private station.

Dunphy who I'm not a big fan of and who I wasn't aware announced public support for MMG before the debate was fairly neutral until being accused of bias IMO. I think it was stupid of him to chair a debate after publically supporting MMG but Mitchell should have at least let him show bias in this debate before attacking him.

I'm sure every other debater supports a candidate too and isn't quite completely free of bias but Dunphy didn't really show his bias for MMG in that interview until Mitchell lost the rag at which point it doesn't really matter because the debate is over at that point because of course Dunphy is going to get mad when he gets accused of basically being unprofessional.

Tiocfaidh Armani

KeithAFC wrote: »

Mitchell was first class. His calling out of Dunphy and his clear bias from his newspaper article was great and to not allow Dunphy to set the agenda from the off in the discussion. That is the first time anyone so far asked Martin some real questions and put him under pressure.

WOW, one member of the press wants McGuinness to win and the other one hundred or so are slating him. What bias?!

problemchimp

I didn't have much of an opinion of Gay Mitchell either way, but the more I listen to him, he seems to have a very bad temper. Not a good trait in a president in my opinion.

KeithAFC

Gay Mitchell was an inspiration to many people who would want to take Martin Mcguinness and Sinn Fein on. A real Irish patriot and it was interesting to see how Dunphy didn't like being called his friend. Mitchell was right to point it out and to not let him dictate the debate in a sneaky way and as Dunphy said, he might of breached the broadcasting rules by declaring he will be voting for Mcguinness.

problemchimp

KeithAFC wrote: »

Gay Mitchell was an inspiration to many people who would want to take Martin Mcguinness and Sinn Fein on. A real Irish patriot and it was interesting to see how Dunphy didn't like being called his friend. Mitchell was right to point it out and to not let him dictate the debate in a sneaky way and as Dunphy said, he might of breached the broadcasting rules by declaring he will be voting for Mcguinness.

What broadcasting rule would that be then? The same broadcasting rule which is constantly broken by RTE with Pat Kenny declaring his support for Gay Byrne if he had of run?

dvpower

I thought Mitchell came out of that quite well (I'm not a fan of either Mitchel or MMG).

Dunphy has an admitted bias towards MMG and own ego doesn't allow him to remain impartial (e.g. he would categorise FG attacks as outragous and some MMG points as reasonable). It was difficult not to be rooting for Mitchell when the interview (the starting portion of it anyway) was so one sided.

dvpower

problemchimp wrote: »

What broadcasting rule would that be then? The same broadcasting rule which is constantly broken by RTE with Pat Kenny declaring his support for Gay Byrne if he had of run?

I'm not sure if declaring your impartiality is against any rule. Acting impartially may be.

KeithAFC

dvpower wrote: »

I thought Mitchell came out of that quite well (I'm not a fan of either Mitchel or MMG).

Dunphy has an admitted bias towards MMG and own ego doesn't allow him to remain impartial (e.g. he would categorise FG attacks as outragous and some MMG points as reasonable). It was difficult not to be rooting for Mitchell when the interview (the starting portion of it anyway) was so one sided.

Agree. That was the big problem with it and he didn't lie down either. He stuck to his convictions and didn't back off. I wish he was a Unionist.

UDP

KeithAFC wrote: »

Agree. That was the big problem with it and he didn't lie down either. He stuck to his convictions and didn't back off. I wish he was a Unionist.

The problem I see is that Dunphy was not biased in any way starting the debate/questions session but Mitchell still accused him of being biased. This was Mitchell acting like a baby.

dvpower

KeithAFC wrote: »

I wish he was a Unionist.

In 5 ... 4... 3... 2...1...

woodoo

I thought Mitchell was a little aggressive he must have been taking instructions from his lovely cousin.

LordSutch

Bozacke wrote: »

So you're implying that someone who's a fool and who has been waffling around for years is superior to someone who was once a Provo. So what's wrong with someone who was once a Provo?

Nobody said that Gay Mitchell was a 'fool' and although he may waffle like many a politician, he was never a Provo, which in my book makes them (Provo's) the dregs of society, they were rmurderers, devients, liars, disgusting sub human people who terrorised, who killed & maimed (see Terrorist in the dictionary) and the sort of people that should not have been let out of prison, never mind the "ex Provo" now peacemaker variety, who now wish to be elected as President of Ireland!

McGuinness is an ex-member of the Provo's, he condoned their actions, he agreed with the planting of bombs, he agreed with the murder of Policemen, Civilians, Judges, & Soldiers, and anybody who happened to get in their way :mad:

In my book McGuinness is not Presidential material.

Sunnyisland

Lord Sutch wrote: »

Nobody said that Gay Mitchell was a 'fool' and although he may waffle like many a politician, he was never a Provo, which in my book makes them (Provo's) the dregs of society, they were murderers, deviants, liars, disgusting sub human people who terrorised, who killed & maimed (see Terrorist in the dictionary) and the sort of people that should not have been let out of prison, never mind the "ex Provo" now peacemaker variety, who now wish to be elected as President of Ireland!

McGuinness is an ex-member of the Provo's, he condoned their actions, he agreed with the planting of bombs, he agreed with the murder of Policemen, Civilians, Judges, & Soldiers, and anybody who happened to get in their way :mad:

In my book McGuinness is not Presidential material.

Well obviously thousands of people disagree with your one sided condemnation of the conflict,He has got elected time & time again and the way the presidents race is going he is still in there with a very good chance of becoming president of Ireland.

LordSutch

realies wrote: »

. . . and the way the presidents race is going he is still in there with a very good chance of becoming president of Ireland.

In your dreams realies, he is damaged goods & he will not win the Presidential Election, however, I don't think that was ever in the 'SF plan'

LuckyLloyd

KeithAFC wrote: »

Gay Mitchell was an inspiration to many people who would want to take Martin Mcguinness and Sinn Fein on. A real Irish patriot and it was interesting to see how Dunphy didn't like being called his friend. Mitchell was right to point it out and to not let him dictate the debate in a sneaky way and as Dunphy said, he might of breached the broadcasting rules by declaring he will be voting for Mcguinness.

Not very presidential though, is it?

Da Shins Kelly

This isn't serious, is it? Gay Mitchell is a fool.

Sonnenblumen

KeithAFC wrote: »

I wish he was a Unionist.

You must be a drummer.

stewie01

LordSutch wrote: »

Nobody said that Gay Mitchell was a 'fool' and although he may waffle like many a politician, he was never a Provo, which in my book makes them (Provo's) the dregs of society, they were rmurderers, devients, liars, disgusting sub human people who terrorised, who killed & maimed (see Terrorist in the dictionary) and the sort of people that should not have been let out of prison, never mind the "ex Provo" now peacemaker variety, who now wish to be elected as President of Ireland!

McGuinness is an ex-member of the Provo's, he condoned their actions, he agreed with the planting of bombs, he agreed with the murder of Policemen, Civilians, Judges, & Soldiers, and anybody who happened to get in their way :mad:

In my book McGuinness is not Presidential material.

lol. more rubbish. take off your tinted monocle will you and open your eyes.

Out of every thing you have listed above about the ''ex provos'' and ira, from ''your book'' do you hold the British government, the British intelligence agency and the British army with the same contempt or was the murdering, torturing and imprisonment of innocent people up north acceptable because they where a ''legitement'' government that where enforcing their laws of the day???

Simple question - Who is the bigger terrorist group, with more blood on their hands, the IRA or the last 10 elected British governments?

And before you answer, i refer you to Iraq and Afghan, more than 1 million CIVILIANS murdered since those WMDs were found (ohhhh wait), or the middle east where every despot since sliced bread has been armed to the teeth to subdue their populations by BAE.

Predicted answer if lordmuck has the balls to actually answer and not gloss over because the truth doesn't fit in with his nonsense - that's different because its not Irish blood.


anyone like to wager he wont answer my SIMPLE question?