Who is going to vote Mitchell?

Bergkamp 10

Anyone here on boards still going to vote for this guy, he will get a decentish vote I'd say. Just wondering will it be just the FG supporters voting like they follow their own gaa club or is the rationale at place for voting Gay Mitchell as president.

Interesting to hear from people considering Mary Davis as well. What do you think these people will bring to the table?

I myself hope neither are elected, but I want to hear out reasons for changing my mind.

maygitchell

Me

gbee

Not me.

Mitchell said the things I was waiting for him say in the Sunday Newspapers. He would have been better off selling himself rather than lambasting other candidates.

I wasn't going to vote for him anyway.

I'll reply for Davis in her thread.

thebman

Not voting for him, wasn't going to anyway if I'm being honest. He never has properly made his views on gay marriage known or homosexuality in general and it is an obvious area where the man doesn't seem to agree with homosexuality when he goes around defending comments describing it as a sin.

That was before he even bothered campaigning so now he has and all he is doing is attacking other candidates it seems and doesn't actually seem to be interested in giving us the same insight into his character that many of the other candidates are giving us and it just isn't very professional to go around having a go at other candidates like that.

Won't be voting for anyone having a go at other candidates TBH. They should be able to stick to their own merits and not have to try to attack the other candidates. Let the interviewers ask for clarification if they believe the other candidates are lying.

I think Mitchell will only get the hardcore FG vote, he will not get the swing vote that FG had in the election as he is simply a bad candidate.

toexpress

Dear sweet Jesus what is with you people and the gay marriage

Can't you think about anything but your own hides?

I will be voting for Mitchell because he will provide the best possible leadership to the country.

Sadly Michael D. will be my next choice

michael999999

Has Mitchell confirmed that hes cousin wont be funding hes running for president?

toexpress

michael999999 wrote: »

Has Mitchell confirmed that hes cousin wont be funding hes running for president?

Has anyone confirmed who exactly will be funding their campaign?

Sunnyisland

michael 999999 wrote: »

Has Mitchell confirmed that hes cousin wont be funding hes running for president?

George the penguin Mitchel

ChippingSodbury

Of the 7, he and McGuinness are at the bottom of my list. I don't like negativity in campaigning and I'm not going to vote for a guy because he will be able to look out his window in the Aras every morning and see across to where he grew up: what a lame reason to give when he was finishing on the Late Late on Fri.

Merch

gbee wrote: »

Not me.

Mitchell said the things I was waiting for him say in the Sunday Newspapers. He would have been better off selling himself rather than lambasting other candidates.

I wasn't going to vote for him anyway.

+1 to that,
I know its on, but i've hardly followed it.
What i have heard mostly still is gay mitchell lashing out, I'll see if I can find his slogan at first, according to the times it was something other than pride at home, respect abroad. It sounded very much like that made up nonsense, plenty done more to do shyte. It really sounds like, well were not worse than them, best of a bad bunch lads, you have to vote someone in and it may aswell be us the other side of the coin of FF.
And to listen to him talk on the news about defending this country, you'd think he was on the beaches in a tin hat, what a tool.

The only two that have credibility are Michael D and Mcguinness, whether you agree with them or disagree with them, I believe more in them than others, I'm dissapointed about norris and he has really gone down in my eyes, Im actually annoyed at him, him and Gay Mitchell,

CDfm

I am surprised Mitchell does not have more Dublin and working class support.

The Michell's are an inner city sucess story.

Rehoused from the inner city to Inchicore according to a friend of mine who was an inner city neighbour. His Dad dies when Gay was 5 and his mother worked as a cleaner.

His cousin went the other way and became a criminal but Mitchell did well.

This guy should be miles ahead.

thebman

toexpress wrote: »

Dear sweet Jesus what is with you people and the gay marriage

Can't you think about anything but your own hides?

I will be voting for Mitchell because he will provide the best possible leadership to the country.

Sadly Michael D. will be my next choice

It is not gay marriage but homosexuality itself that Mitchell seems to have an issue with. That has nothing to do with gay marriage and it is incorrect to paint it as the same issue.

Mitchell has defended comments describing homosexuality itself as a sin not comments opposing gay marriage which he also appears to be against.

I simply think it is wrong to even consider such a candidate who also thinks attacking candidates like he did on the Eamon Dunphy show is right especially when he can't even get the facts right with regard to the MP salary he claimed McGuinness is in receipt of which McGuinness claims he doesn't get because he didn't swear an oath to the queen.

The man is in no way fit to be president IMO. He has controversial opinions on topical issues and he believes it is fine to attack other candidates running for election rather than promoting the positive aspects of himself even seeming to make up facts to suit his agenda while calling for the candidate he is attacking to be more honest making him a hypocrite too IMO if McGuinness can release the figures to back up what he earns.

Sorry that is not presidential material as far as I'm concerned.

woodoo

I couldn't vote for him at all. I couldn't believe his paranoia and ignorance on the Dunphy show this morning. He came across as a complete tool.

Fr Tod Umptious

I am beginning to warm to him, was not considering him at all early on but now he will be in my top 2.

I am starting to realise that the office of the president is for someone that will be dignified, carry out their duties with the minimum fuss, represent us abroad and have a good understanding of the workings of the Oireachtas and the constitution

Michtell seems to tick all these boxes

It matters not a hoot what he thinks about gay marriage or bank bailouts beacuse at the end of the day it is not the job of the president to make policy.

Sid_Justice

CDfm wrote: »

I am surprised Mitchell does not have more Dublin and working class support.

The Michell's are an inner city sucess story.

Rehoused from the inner city to Inchicore according to a friend of mine who was an inner city neighbour. His Dad dies when Gay was 5 and his mother worked as a cleaner.

His cousin went the other way and became a criminal but Mitchell did well.

This guy should be miles ahead.

not so sure at all this rags to riches stuff about mitchell. his dad worked in guinnesses and when he died left the wife with a good pension etc.

Merch

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I am beginning to warm to him, was not considering him at all early on but now he will be in my top 2.

I am starting to realise that the office of the president is for someone that will be dignified, carry out their duties with the minimum fuss, represent us abroad and have a good understanding of the workings of the Oireachtas and the constitution

Michtell seems to tick all these boxes

It matters not a hoot what he thinks about gay marriage or bank bailouts beacuse at the end of the day it is not the job of the president to make policy.

what is the job of the president?

blahfckingblah

Merch wrote: »

what is the job of the president?

Well if hte job of the president is to divert any negative attention from himself by making accusations about other people then Gay Mitchell is the perfect man for the job. If not then I would rank him about 5th or 6th out of the 7 candidates.

Merch

blahfckingblah wrote: »

Well if hte job of the president is to divert any negative attention from himself by making accusations about other people then Gay Mitchell is the perfect man for the job. If not then I would rank him about 5th or 6th out of the 7 candidates.

exactly

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I am beginning to warm to him, was not considering him at all early on but now he will be in my top 2.

I am starting to realise that the office of the president is for someone that will be dignified, carry out their duties with the minimum fuss, represent us abroad and have a good understanding of the workings of the Oireachtas and the constitution

Michtell seems to tick all these boxes

It matters not a hoot what he thinks about gay marriage or bank bailouts beacuse at the end of the day it is not the job of the president to make policy.

thats got to be a joke, all ive heard him is bitching about those that he thinks he can get away with sniping at? seriously there must have been an element of tongue in cheek there.

AND what is the role/job of the President?? shake the hand of foreign dignitaries? sign off shyte for the Govt? accept that this party is taking up govt or that they are dissolving it. for **** sake, what are they doing the rest of the time? its a non role

CDfm

It is a weird election.

What is it with mono-dimensional politics.

Here is a short guide to the History of the Presidency

http://neverfeltbetter.wordpress.com/2011/08/06/irish-presidential-elections-a-short-guide/

Does anyone remember President Hilary refusing to disolve the Dail ?

He was probably the most able President we have had and the guy you would want in a crisis.

Or indeed President Cearbhall O'Dailaghs (who had been a respected European Jurist) resignation from the office amidst a furore over him exercising the limited discretion he had in refering an Emergency Powers Bill to the Supreme Court.

What measures are people using to assess the suitability of the candidates.

Using gay marriage as a criteria assumes it will bean act of the oireachtas within the next 7 years and also that the content of the act would be repugnant to the consitution.

As far as I know, the constitution does not define marriage to any great degree, and the limited discretion the President would have would be to refer the Bill to the Supreme Court for scrutiny.

So the Hilary disolution issue under Art 13 is more important.

CDfm

Sid_Justice wrote: »

not so sure at all this rags to riches stuff about mitchell. his dad worked in guinnesses and when he died left the wife with a good pension etc.

I am only going on what my friend told me and his upbringing was a bit on the rough side.

And if his father worked for Guinness it was not as an executive but in a blue collar role.

Sid_Justice

everybody in guinesses were very well looked after, it was one of the best if not the best, companies to work for in ireland at the time. equivalent of google imo

CDfm

Sid_Justice wrote: »

everybody in guinesses were very well looked after, it was one of the best if not the best, companies to work for in ireland at the time. equivalent of google imo

his brother Jim started as a messenger there and the Ma was a cleaner.

I cant find any reference to his dads work?

Sid_Justice

CDfm wrote: »

his brother Jim started as a messenger there and the Ma was a cleaner.

I cant find any reference to his dads work?

Sorry I have no source, just someone who was vaguely familiar with the family told me. My information may be wrong (don't think it is).

CDfm

Sid_Justice wrote: »

Sorry I have no source, just someone who was vaguely familiar with the family told me. My information may be wrong (don't think it is).

I will ask my friend. A fairly amazing character in his own right.

thebman

CDfm wrote: »

Using gay marriage as a criteria assumes it will bean act of the oireachtas within the next 7 years and also that the content of the act would be repugnant to the consitution.

The president represents the Irish people all the time and it is very easy to cause controversy or insult another nation in this regard especially on social issuse as Mary McAleese did to a certain extent when she referred to the way some Protestant children in Northern Ireland had been raised to hate Catholics, just as European children "for generations, for centuries" were encouraged to hate Jews (borrowed from wikipedia).

There was quite a lot made about the above issue at the time but the president does represent the people of Ireland and can embarrass us on an International level which would be all the more infuriating if their views did not represent the majority of the Irish peoples on such issues. The office is often used to push social issues as highlighted by most of the candidates on the LLS saying they wish to utilise the office for this reason on one social issue or another to bring attention to those issues.

Not that odd that a current social issue comes up in the election campaign.

Two-thirds support gay marriage, poll finds
JUST OVER two-thirds of people (67 per cent) believe gay couples should be allowed to marry, according to an Irish Times/Behaviour Attitudes social poll.

It is one of a series of findings in a poll on “sex, sin and society” that indicates Irish people have adopted a more liberal attitude towards personal relationships and sexual behaviour.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0915/1224278900109.html

It should be noted that during this presidency, Britain will be attempting to legalise gay marriage so this is an election issue as our nearest neighbor and one our own legal system is heavily based on will be changing their laws on this issue so it could well come up as a domestic issue here or an International issue from Britain and Gay Mitchell could well misrepresent the majority of Ireland's views on this issue or what appear to be the majority view from the above opinion poll which is one reason it is important to highlight it.

The government has said it is committed to changing the law in England and Wales to allow gay marriage by 2015.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14960357

It should also be noted that Labour who are a junior coalition partner in the current government support a gay marriage referendum:

It is likely, I believe, that a referendum will be needed to provide for full marriage equality between same sex couples. Labour will, of course, support such a referendum. But we need to learn the lessons of the past.

http://www.labour.ie/press/listing/1241688554881714.html

And they are in quite a similar position to the Liberal Democrats in Britain in that they are the junior coalition partner and given their portfolio's and the upcoming cuts and tax increases are somewhat likely to be blamed for these things especially considering their support base could end up losing support to SF and might look for a social win for the next election too and this could well be it given the opinion polls show significant support for the issue.

To say this social issue won't come up over the next 7 years seems unlikely to me considering we had a Marriage Equality March in Dublin as recently as the 14th August of this year and thousands turned up for it. To say someone who defended another person condemning homosexuality as a sin, seemingly without any pressure to comment on it at all AFAIK, won't speak out on this social issue is unlikely IMO.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0814/breaking29.html

CDfm

Red followed by herring just about sums up that argument and it is about as likely ,if elected, that Mary Davis would jog naked daily around the Phoenix Park.

Most of the functions of the President are done on the advice of the government and by convention the President does not criticise the government or government policy.

The only real powers are those of refering legislation to the supreme court or disolving the Dail.

The President can make speeches but generally they are innocuos.

Of all the candidates likely to toe the government line on issues Gay Mitchell is the guy .

It is likely that Norris, McGuinness or Dana would have agenda's.

I do not know about Davis or the other guy Gallagher.

Michael D Higgins is older than the rest and may not even be an active President or may be as active as any 70 year old would be.

Higgins is Pro Castro and anti-American to the extent that he was pro Saddam.

The President can only travel abroad with Government approval. Thank God for that, as if the Americans knew what Higgins thinks of them, they may not like us very much at all.

toexpress

thebman wrote: »

It is not gay marriage but homosexuality itself that Mitchell seems to have an issue with.

Have you evidence to support this statement?

He is hardly attacking MMG frankly I don't think he has said anything that is off centre about what he has said in respect of this convicted criminal.

maxer68

Finally one of the candidates has had the balls to tell McGuinness that is a murdering, robbing, gun toting, violent b%$tard.

McGuinness claims this is not coming up in the hustings - Maybe if McGuinness saw the scum types that encircle him, he would know why. Bring that up and you'll need hospital treatment, compliments of the SF/IRA back boys.

As a FF supporter for many many years - the balls FG are showing on issues recently has me converted.

Mitchell #1 (Michael D #2)

efb

Not a hope!

NIMAN

The official race is only a few days old and already its sad to see that quite a few of the candidates, rather than telling us the positives about themselves, are telling us about the negatives of their competitors.

And there's going to be so much more mud slinging.

Zubeneschamali

I'm not a FG member, but I have voted for various FGers over the years, usually because they are the only real alternative to FF.

Not Michell, though. He'll be at the bottom of my ballot with McGuinness.

Fr Tod Umptious

thebman wrote: »

The president represents the Irish people all the time and it is very easy to cause controversy or insult another nation in this regard especially on social issuse as Mary McAleese did to a certain extent when she referred to the way some Protestant children in Northern Ireland had been raised to hate Catholics, just as European children "for generations, for centuries" were encouraged to hate Jews (borrowed from wikipedia).

There was quite a lot made about the above issue at the time but the president does represent the people of Ireland and can embarrass us on an International level which would be all the more infuriating if their views did not represent the majority of the Irish peoples on such issues. The office is often used to push social issues as highlighted by most of the candidates on the LLS saying they wish to utilise the office for this reason on one social issue or another to bring attention to those issues.

Not that odd that a current social issue comes up in the election campaign.



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0915/1224278900109.html

It should be noted that during this presidency, Britain will be attempting to legalise gay marriage so this is an election issue as our nearest neighbor and one our own legal system is heavily based on will be changing their laws on this issue so it could well come up as a domestic issue here or an International issue from Britain and Gay Mitchell could well misrepresent the majority of Ireland's views on this issue or what appear to be the majority view from the above opinion poll which is one reason it is important to highlight it.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14960357

It should also be noted that Labour who are a junior coalition partner in the current government support a gay marriage referendum:



http://www.labour.ie/press/listing/1241688554881714.html

And they are in quite a similar position to the Liberal Democrats in Britain in that they are the junior coalition partner and given their portfolio's and the upcoming cuts and tax increases are somewhat likely to be blamed for these things especially considering their support base could end up losing support to SF and might look for a social win for the next election too and this could well be it given the opinion polls show significant support for the issue.

To say this social issue won't come up over the next 7 years seems unlikely to me considering we had a Marriage Equality March in Dublin as recently as the 14th August of this year and thousands turned up for it. To say someone who defended another person condemning homosexuality as a sin, seemingly without any pressure to comment on it at all AFAIK, won't speak out on this social issue is unlikely IMO.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0814/breaking29.html

You are really hung up on the gay marriage thing aren't you.

I'm not convinced that gay marriage has the support of the majority of the Irish people as you claim it does

If I recall during the discussion about the civil partnership bill commentators were suggesting that full gay marriage would require a constitutional referendum, so I am sure a referendum would be the only real gauge of who much support it would actually have.

But back to Michell, I believe he is smart enough and knows the office enough not be shooting his mount off as president, so I think you will be saved any embarrassment, the same is true of Higgins too I believe.

johngalway

To date, I will be giving Gay Mitchell my no.1. I like more of what he has to say than others, thought MD's focus on citizenship has merit but it as yet a little unexplained for me.

Michael D. will be getting no.2.

I had thought of giving Mary Davis a vote but with Aras na NDaoine, her ridiculously airbrushed posters and the more I hear about her, nah, not happening.

The former terrorist won't even be getting a thought.

HellsAngel

Sid_Justice wrote: »

not so sure at all this rags to riches stuff about mitchell. his dad worked in guinnesses and when he died left the wife with a good pension etc.

Exactly, he's playing up the poor inner city Dublin boy bit.

CDfm

HellsAngel wrote: »

Exactly, he's playing up the poor inner city Dublin boy bit.

I think it is I that raised the inner city boy bit here and the Mitchell family were neighbours of my friend Chris's family in the inner city in the pre Inchicore days. Nobody from there was well off and I posted it because I felt it was an interesting that it had not been raised.

Fr Tod Umptious

CDfm wrote: »

I think it is I that raised the inner city boy bit here and the Mitchell family were neighbours of my friend Chris's family in the inner city in the pre Inchicore days. Nobody from there was well off and I posted it because I felt it was an interesting that it had not been raised.

I'd take no heed of it.

Almost everyone on boards.ie thinks every politician or public figure was either born with a silver spoon in their mouth or earns too much for what they do now or did in the past.

mikemac

Michael D #1 (Mitchell #2)

Not surprised at all to see Mitchell have so little support on boards
But then boards predicted Fianna Fáil would win three seats so when someone is unpopular it swings too far
He'll do well and has a real shot at winning

You'd think he was a no hoper reading here

careca11

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

Anyone here on boards still going to vote for this guy, he will get a decentish vote I'd say. Just wondering will it be just the FG supporters voting like they follow their own gaa club or is the rationale at place for voting Gay Mitchell as president.

Interesting to hear from people considering Mary Davis as well. What do you think these people will bring to the table?

I myself hope neither are elected, but I want to hear out reasons for changing my mind.

Current President Mary McAlesse , has a presents/Aura and oozes carisma and enthusism ,
Mitchell can about as much carisma as a bag of spuds , the problem is all the candidates are the same , and are simply after an easy job with a secure Salary for 7years.
They all remind me of a case combining the Muppets/Fraggle rock/seasme street , with Michael D the exception as he looks like DOBBY from Harry Potter

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I will spoil my vote as non of the above deserve it

Fr Tod Umptious

careca11 wrote: »

Current President Mary McAlesse , has a presents/Aura and oozes carisma and enthusism ,
Mitchell can about as much carisma as a bag of spuds , the problem is all the candidates are the same , and are simply after an easy job with a secure Salary for 7years.
They all remind me of a case combining the Muppets/Fraggle rock/seasme street , with Michael D the exception as he looks like DOBBY from Harry Potter

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I will spoil my vote as non of the above deserve it

fair enough, but don't come back here complaining if you do not like our new President

thebman

CDfm wrote: »

Red followed by herring just about sums up that argument and it is about as likely ,if elected, that Mary Davis would jog naked daily around the Phoenix Park.

Most of the functions of the President are done on the advice of the government and by convention the President does not criticise the government or government policy.

The only real powers are those of refering legislation to the supreme court or disolving the Dail.

Which candidates do you think can't perform in that part of the job? I think most won't have any problem with that part of the role.

The President can make speeches but generally they are innocuos.

Of all the candidates likely to toe the government line on issues Gay Mitchell is the guy .

But not always and I've already given example of the last president slipping up in that regard and demonstrated Mitchell has spoken out in defense of comments referring to homosexuality as a sin before. I think we should elect someone who actually represents the Irish peoples opinions on these important and current social issues and not someone who can toe the government line especially since they were mostly elected for their economic policies IMO since that was the focus of the last election.

It is likely that Norris, McGuinness or Dana would have agenda's.

I do not know about Davis or the other guy Gallagher.

I agree most of those candidates have their own agenda on social issues, they were on the LLS highlighting them for the most part though they may have an agenda they aren't publically speaking about too.

Michael D Higgins is older than the rest and may not even be an active President or may be as active as any 70 year old would be.

Higgins is Pro Castro and anti-American to the extent that he was pro Saddam.

The President can only travel abroad with Government approval. Thank God for that, as if the Americans knew what Higgins thinks of them, they may not like us very much at all.

Age is only a factor if you think it would stop him in the role. Not going to defend Higgins anyway, I'm not in his party so I don't feel the need to... I'm sure he has his own thread and there is no need to derail this one for that purpose also. I didn't vote for a Labour candidate before in my life and if is revealed that Higgins has very controversial views on such issues and it is likely he does then I will not be voting for him either and I'll have to evaluate the candidates again. I don't have any party allegiance and voted 1,2,3 FG in the last election and independents because of the importance of economic issues and I think Gay Mitchell lost a lot of votes of people like me for FG because of his social views.

toexpress wrote: »

Have you evidence to support this statement?

Yes he has been defending comments describing homosexuality as a sin by another MEP. He says he does not wish to do anything that weakens marriage when asked for his views on same sex marriage and it appears he is against homosexuality in general when he is defending such comments and making such statements.

If you google for peoples opinions on his comments, you will see many people seem to believe this too so if this is not Mitchell's opinion he should clear up the issue and make it known that he supports gay marriage and does not believe homosexuality is a sin as he'll probably win some support by doing so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Mitchell#Views_on_homosexuality

He is hardly attacking MMG frankly I don't think he has said anything that is off centre about what he has said in respect of this convicted criminal.

Really he accused him of taking an MP salary that MMG says he can't be claiming because he doesn't swear an oath to the queen. I'm not a big defender of MMG and won't be voting for him but I also disagree with the attacks on him especially when it appears the facts weren't checked beforehand. Gay should let MMG discredit himself and focus on telling us more about Gay Mitchell IMO and what he stands for.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

You are really hung up on the gay marriage thing aren't you.

I'm not convinced that gay marriage has the support of the majority of the Irish people as you claim it does

If I recall during the discussion about the civil partnership bill commentators were suggesting that full gay marriage would require a constitutional referendum, so I am sure a referendum would be the only real gauge of who much support it would actually have.

Why don't we ask them? Lets have a referendum on it. What leads you to believe the majority of Irish people don't support gay marriage despite me just posting a poll showing that it was the case in the poll? Do you think that poll was biased, do you have one you believe is free of bias? Do you think the majority of Irish people would be happy to see Gay Mitchell defended comments referring to homosexuality as a sin by another MEP?

Describing advocating for equal rights as being hung up on something is a little insulting IMO and I just disagree with a candidate defending comments describing homosexuality as a sin and don't think such a man is fit to represent the people of this country and don't believe that he is being honest and open in the TV coverage on this issue while advocating for honesty in the campaign.

So far he has been the only one not to answer questions on Gay Marriage and the Cloyne report though it is partly because Tubridy was too incompetent or biased a host to ask all the candidates the same question. Even Norris, had to offer to answer the question though notably Gay Mitchell would appear to have strong views on this issue but didn't do the same.

But back to Michell, I believe he is smart enough and knows the office enough not be hshooting his mount off as president, so I think you will be saved any embarrassment, the same is true of Higgins too I believe.

He is mouthing off like he is running for student union president during the campaign IMO, I don't think we can say that about the man TBH.

This whole Gay would never say anything controversial despite the fact that he is on radio the other day slamming another candidate and accusing the host of bias in the discussion is a joke IMO.

careca11

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

fair enough, but don't come back here complaining if you do not like our new President

i'm already complaining as I don't see any of the candidate's worthy of the position

Panrich

Have voted for Fine Gael candidates in the past few elections but they have lost my vote this time and possibly for good with the negative campaigning here.

mikemac

You'll end up voting for nobody if negative campaigning turns you off
They are all at it, just politics

CDfm

mikemac wrote: »

You'll end up voting for nobody if negative campaigning turns you off
They are all at it, just politics

But will Fine Gael have a go at Micheal D Higgins ?.

This is a controvercial blog by a great grandson and grandson of 2 Taoisigh - a Cosgrave descendant -that is very critical of Michael D .

• 
  Irish presidential election, 2011The idea that Michael D. Higgins should be President of Ireland is madness. If he became President, he would make Ireland hated in America. Americans don't realise such people exist in Ireland.

http://markhumphrys.com/irish.left.people.html#michael.d

The language is very similar to what Fine Gael has used over the weekend except concerning McGuinness.

A link to a bit about the author.

http://markhumphrys.com/what.am.i.html

Sid_Justice

how'd you come across humprys' site? he's some fella.

thebman

mikemac wrote: »

You'll end up voting for nobody if negative campaigning turns you off
They are all at it, just politics

Disagree they are all at it.

FG are obviously at it.

Sean Gallagher was at it a bit even as early as on the LLS.

I guess you could say SF are at it but I don't see MMG doing it directly and the people doing it for SF are coy enough not to reveal they are SF as far as I can see.

I don't think any of the other candidates have been doing it really though obviously can't watch all coverage everywhere so might be missing some. I don't know why any of them would, it is a complete turn off for one candidate to have a go at another. I don't really want to vote for anyone engaged in it TBH.

CDfm

Sid_Justice wrote: »

how'd you come across humprys' site? he's some fella.

I was looking up some genealogy and accidentally came accross the site.

Fcek, and I am not even an FG supporter. :pac:

toexpress

thebman wrote: »

I guess you could say SF are at it but I don't see MMG doing it directly and the people doing it for SF are coy enough not to reveal they are SF as far as I can see.

True thebman, true, but then given that he never killed anyone when in the IRA he must have been frightfully good at making the bullets that others fired for him, why change the habit of a life time

CDfm

toexpress wrote: »

True thebman, true, but then given that he never killed anyone when in the IRA he must have been frightfully good at making the bullets that others fired for him, why change the habit of a life time

At the moment after looking at the Mark Humphry's site it seems that Michael D is to the left of MMG.

twincamman

not voting for him but to be honest i dont think many will vote at all !! the media are just making it into a big thing . to be honest most people dont really care who is in

sotoole1

Missed the debate last night on TV3 .
Watched just now. Mc Guinness or Norris will be in the first 2 places .
Gay Mictchell will be fourth .He reminds me of a dry cold slice of toast i just don't want to eat!