Scarface r....re.......remake?!?!!?

grames_bond

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad::mad: :mad:

http://www.themovieblog.com/2011/09/coming-soon-scarface-remake

Universal will be going back to the well for a new version that will have Marc Shmuger and Martin Bregman producing; the latter was behind the Pacino movie. It won’t be an unrecognizable tale, since it “will take the common elements of the first two films,” those being “an immigrant, barges his way into the criminal establishment in pursuit of a twisted version of the American dream, becoming a kingpin through a campaign of ruthlessness and violent ambition.”
I got a good laugh when reading that the ethnicity of the main character is being kept under wraps at the moment. It’s supposed to be significant to this movie’s location — the first had an Italian conquering Chicago, the remake a Cuban gaining control of the Miami drug trade. What ethnicity could match a location today? There are at least a few that come to mind.

Jesus f*cking wept!!

Sad Professor

The Pacino film was a remake as well though, so it's not like this is the first time. Doesn't really bother me. At least they waited 30 years.

allanb49

And you also had GTA - Vice City

Renn

Yeah massive fail here since this was a remake already.

And I can never understand people getting their knickers in a twist about remakes. Watch them/don't watch them.

nix

Renn wrote: »

And I can never understand people getting their knickers in a twist about remakes. Watch them/don't watch them.

We get annoyed as people buy into them and give the hollywood fucks reasoning to do them over putting money into new original ideas.

Take notice of the increase of remakes and the decrease of new original movies.

So instead of getting new movie ideas, were getting movies we've seen before, that's why we get annoyed.

:rolleyes:

johnny_ultimate

There always are original movies, like there always are remakes. Sure, there's an increase in Hollywood remakes, but that's because they're a safe bet economically. And Scarface: The Remake is guaranteed to make millions. They can at least guarantee the custom of everyone who's ever featured on MTV Cribs!

If you want originality, Melancholia and Guilty of Romance are out today. Huzzah!

nix

I guess i like a large variety of choices, also the movies you named, Melancholia only showing in cineworld and the other is a foreign movie showing in the big small screen of the ifi.

Neither my local cinema, so i gotta put more leg work in, plus neither of those movies are what would tiddle my fancy.

Point being i used to have alot of choice when going to the cinema, over the last year or two i have feck all choices.

I used to enjoy movies hollywood threw at us, now they are mostly throwing movies ive seen before, and lets face it. Scarface doesn't need to be remade, its all just for the $$$.

Millions will go to see it and come out saying the original is better, so whats the point??

Next they will be remaking the godfather :rolleyes:

MrStuffins

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

They can at least guarantee the custom of everyone who's ever featured on MTV Cribs!

And this is the thing! The movie could be an absolute turd buut will make an absolute fortune for this reason.

I'm one of these people who liked Scarface but thought it was/is a bit over rated. Not a fail on the movie's part, I just don't buy into the whole romanticising of his character and his actions etc.

That beig said, there is no way they can tell the story better as the 1983 movie is an all out epic. it's nothing more than a money-making exercise!

foxyboxer

A remake of the remake of the original. Damn those Hollywood suits.

Corholio

Possibly the most overrated film I've ever watched, in regards to the hype it gets. Average gangster film with Pacino chewing more scenery than he does cocaine.

faceman

Yeah the Pacino remake is over-rated IMO.

charlemont

I'll be looking forward to seeing it.

nix

Right, but that's not were discussing, does it need to be remade?? Do most of the movies being remade need to be remade?

I dont think they do at all, its cleary just a cheap cop out from hollywood to save money on paying writers for their hard work and original stories :rolleyes:

I dont mind taking a very old dated movie thats weak script wise and remaking it, a movie like the crazies stands out as a good remake.

Taking a brilliant or over rated movie thats gonna do well based on the name alone for remake is just stupid. And its becoming an increasing trend and its just greed, ****in stoopid world. :mad

And lets face it, nobody will be able to outshine Pacino. No self respecting actor will go for the role, it will be given to some clown like Bradley cooper.

I need to find a new passion, modern cinema is getting ass raped and everybodies cheering it on

grames_bond

Renn wrote: »

Yeah massive fail here since this was a remake already..

yeah not quite coz if you read the article you would have seen the line:

...the movie was actually a remake of a film from the 30′s.....

Ya see i did know that - in fact i have seen both versions and read the Armitage Trail book that started it all!

The point I'm making is that they should f*cking leave well enough alone!

As nix pointed out it does not need a remake! (and shhh don't mention remaking the godfather - they may actually hear you!)

johnny_ultimate

nix wrote: »

Taking a brilliant or over rated movie thats gonna do well based on the name alone for remake is just stupid. And its becoming an increasing trend and its just greed, ****in stoopid world. :mad

And lets face it, nobody will be able to outshine Pacino. No self respecting actor will go for the role, it will be given to some clown like Bradley cooper.

I need to find a new passion, modern cinema is getting ass raped and everybodies cheering it on

Generalisations ahoy!

Hollywood is an industry first and foremost. The occasional artistic triumph breaks through, but they're an exception. They want to make money. A Scarface remake will make money. Profit! I've never seen Scarface, but given that many thousands of people have subverted and misunderstood what (I believe) is a critique of greed and turned it into a celebration of the same, it only seems appropriate.

Modern cinema is not getting, as you put it, ass raped. There's still hundreds of fantastic films being made. You may have to seek out an obscure a DVD or two, but they're there for the watching.

I just don't buy this 'all modern films are **** because they're remaking things' theory. Hollywood has always produced more crap than not, and has been remaking films since its inception (The Maltese Falcon, Scarface etc...). Nothing is new, it's the circle of life. Or more accurately, the circle of business.

I get worked up about remakes too - the threatened Akira remake (which is actually fundamentally offensive), or Kurosawa's back catalogue being bought up irritates. But screw it, the classics aren't damaged by them being remade. Ignore them if you wish. Let Hollywood make their money which they surely will. Hopefully it will help fund cinemas being kept open and more money being given to talented people.

So hooray for Scarface: The Remake: The Remake!

the whole year inn

"Footloose" is being remade,pretty iconic movie,and people seem not to give a **** about that!

When it comes out ill watch it and judge it on its own merits.

senordingdong

Personally, I never thought Scarface was that good, so I can't say I'm upset.

Apologies in advance for this rant

It's not a remake, just another adaptation of the novel. I seriously cannot understand the amount of negative posts I've read over the past few days regarding the news that there is going to be another Scarface film. It's not like either of the adaptations thus far are amongst cinemas finest hours, yes both films are very well made, entertaining as hell and well acted but it's not like there isn't room for improvement.

Remakes have existed as long as cinema has and over the years there has been numerous remakes which are far superior to the original. I've been constantly amused over the past few months by people complaining about the new The Thing film with statements like "I can't believe they're remaking a horror classics" or "Hollywood doesn't make original films" completely oblivious to the fact that the Thing is it's self a remake/adaptation. Same thing happened with True Grit, people were banging on about what an amazing film it was and how it was truly different to the usual Hollywood fare. And don't get me wrong, it's a very good film but it's so slavishly loyal to the source material that there isn't a single surprise in the film. The great remakes/adaptations take the original and do something different with it. Dawn of the Dead remake begin a great example of how a remake can be as good as the original and change everything bar a few key features.

If you are one of those people who says things like "Foreign cinema is so much better than US" or "Hollywood doesn't make original films" then you really need to look beyond the multiplexs. There is a lot of great cinema coming out of the US and sadly most people are too lazy to bother checking it out. As much as I enjoyed True Grit I was quite annoyed that the superb Meek's Cutoff disappeared without a trace. it played a handful of theaters both in the US and over here before quickly disappearing to DVD where it hasn't exactly set the world on fire. It's a truly fantastic little film which deserves to be seen.

nix

I'm not just pissed about the Scarface remake, heck i havent even seen scarface as i know how the story goes based on the notoriety of the film. I'm annoyed at the AMOUNT of unnecessary remakes, that are only getting done on their name bases purely to rake in the cash.

I'm not against remakes altogether, i agree some of the remakes surpass the originals, but thats because the originals were dated and not really good in the first place.

Scarface however hasnt really dated and its deemed by many as a masterpiece in its genre. It's only being remade as the name itself will rake in the cash to line some big wigs pockets. And given the actual "talent" in hollywood directors today, nobody will beat scarface (Pacino), the only directors that would, wouldnt go near doing the movie. If hollywood were doing these remakes to bring in alot of money to then make decent orginal movies then i wouldnt mind, but from what im seeing, they are just pumpin out superhero movies and more remakes. Robocop anybody?

The only decent non superhero movie that was released this year (from hollywood), was Super 8 and Planet of the apes. Thats two.. So between remakes and super hero movies, there are not many good movies coming out, its like they are afraid to make something that doesnt already have a script or alot of source material.

Pay a writer?? Muwhahaha, why? thats just a waste, pick a name out of the hat there Bob and lets remake it, oh you got two? no worries, what are they? Robocop and scarface?? Nice one! You're good at this

Renn

You haven't even seen Scarface yet harp on about how it hasn't dated/nobody will beat Scarface etc

Look, if people are going to pay good money to go see these films then you'd be silly not to remake them. It's pretty simple really.

Mickeroo

nix wrote: »

I'm not just pissed about the Scarface remake, heck i havent even seen scarface as i know how the story goes based on the notoriety of the film. I'm annoyed at the AMOUNT of unnecessary remakes, that are only getting done on their name bases purely to rake in the cash.

I'm not against remakes altogether, i agree some of the remakes surpass the originals, but thats because the originals were dated and not really good in the first place.

Scarface however hasnt really dated and its deemed by many as a masterpiece in its genre. It's only being remade as the name itself will rake in the cash to line some big wigs pockets. And given the actual "talent" in hollywood directors today, nobody will beat scarface (Pacino), the only directors that would, wouldnt go near doing the movie. If hollywood were doing these remakes to bring in alot of money to then make decent orginal movies then i wouldnt mind, but from what im seeing, they are just pumpin out superhero movies and more remakes. Robocop anybody?

The only decent non superhero movie that was released this year (from hollywood), was Super 8 and Planet of the apes. Thats two.. So between remakes and super hero movies, there are not many good movies coming out, its like they are afraid to make something that doesnt already have a script or alot of source material.

Pay a writer?? Muwhahaha, why? thats just a waste, pick a name out of the hat there Bob and lets remake it, oh you got two? no worries, what are they? Robocop and scarface?? Nice one! You're good at this

Scarface has dated preety badly imho. I wouldn't really consider it a masterpiece of the genre either, plays like a parody more than anything.

nix

I havent sat down and watched it in its entirety, i have seen bits and pieces of it over the years on telly, IVE SEEN THE QUALITY. I've seen the big shoot out scenes and other bits and pieces, i don't put movies i know the story/end of at the top of my to watch list.

Your also missing my point, it seems. I'm not pissed off for my own selfish reasons, i want better cinema FOR EVERYBODY.

nix

Mickeroo wrote: »

Scarface has dated preety badly imho. I wouldn't really consider it a masterpiece of the genre either, plays like a parody more than anything.

Ok a poor choice of word, ill change it to over hyped. The name itself will bring in the $$$, that's the point im trying to make and its really the only reason its being done.

Mickeroo

nix wrote: »

Ok a poor choice of word, ill change it to over hyped. The name itself will bring in the $$$, that's the point im trying to make and its really the only reason its being done.

I get where you're coming from but all films are made to make money, maybe films made outside of the big studio system are an exception(only to an extent though) but apart from that all that matters is what they bring in at the box office. It sucks but thats the way the world works.

nix

It wasn't always how it worked though, atleast not too the extent it is now and is increasing. I don't mind the odd remake, but its like all we're getting showered with now, i know its a business and they want to make money, but its possible to make money by providing original movies, cinema up until recent years is testament to that

johnny_ultimate

nix wrote: »

It wasn't always how it worked though, atleast not too the extent it is now and is increasing. I don't mind the odd remake, but its like all we're getting showered with now, i know its a business and they want to make money, but its possible to make money by providing original movies, cinema up until recent years is testament to that

Why the obsession with Hollywood though? They always make crap.

Have you seen I Saw the Devil, The Man from Nowhere, Cold Fish, Kill List, Confessions, Meek's Cutoff, True Grit, Attack the Block, Tinker Tailor..., Evangelion 2.0, Super (minus the 8), A Separation, Drive, Poetry, Tree of Life or Summer Wars? All wonderful films released in the last couple of months (most on DVD), some adaptations, some remakes, some genre rethreads, all at least interesting, most of them excellent.

Perhaps we Dubliners take a wide theatrical variety for granted, but even a few euro on amazon will hook you up with many superb films.

nix

Thanks for the list, seen some of them but ill be sure to check the others out. I watch alot of movies, mostly foreign these days.

But i miss the big block buster type movies which have big expenses from hollywood, They used to have a decent standard in regards to quality. Like i went to see Jurassic park in the cinema last night (mainly because there was nothing else out that i hadn't seen) And i thought to myself while watching it, wow, what a great movie, they dont put this much effort into movies anymore, which is sad.

The equivalent to Jurassic park these years is feckin Transformers, which is just **** all over, crap dialogue, crap story, crap SFX. So then i say ok ill ignore the big blockbusters, which worked for awhile. But now the others are becoming more and more, remakes or super hero movies.

So now im finding im downloading foreign movies or goin to the IFI to see good movies.

So im finding im going to the cinema less and less just because a bunch of **** wanna cut corners in producing movies.

I like goin to see movies on the big screen I used to average goin to a movie on the big screen atleast weekly, now its turning monthly, and even thats lookin to shrink again in the future.

There is 3 big movies comin out in the nearish future which im looking forward too, The avengers, the dark knight rises and Tintin. Two super heroes movies :P

Is it just me that see's the rapid decline in quality? Or am i just a weirdo?... Don't answer that :P

Renn

Have you seen all the Transformers films in the cinema? Or have you bought them on dvd?

al28283

nix wrote: »

Right, but that's not were discussing, does it need to be remade?? Do most of the movies being remade need to be remade?

Need to be remade? What does that mean?
No, nothing needs to be remade. As a matter of fact nothing needs to be made at all. If you're complaining that this remake is just a way for studios to make money then you have a lot to learn about why studios make movies.

nix

Renn wrote: »

Have you seen all the Transformers films in the cinema? Or have you bought them on dvd?

Seen them in the cinema, went to see the first one and was so excited going in and couldnt have been more disappointed with a movie coming out, i felt robbed. Then was ready to boycott the 2nd one but Darko convinced me to go and there were one or two scenes i liked but the movie was **** again. And the third one i wasnt going to see but my friend was bugging me to go, so i agreed to go only if i didnt have to pay for the ticket, which i didnt, and glad i didnt, all 3 were complete muck.

I am never going to see another Michael bay movie ever again..

al28283 wrote: »

Need to be remade? What does that mean?
No, nothing needs to be remade. As a matter of fact nothing needs to be made at all. If you're complaining that this remake is just a way for studios to make money then you have a lot to learn about why studios make movies.

........What? Seems you havent read my posts, or im not being clear with what im saying? anybody else having trouble grasping my points?

al28283

nix wrote: »

........What? Seems you havent read my posts, or im not being clear with what im saying? anybody else having trouble grasping my points?

Yes, I've read them. At one point you mentioned that Scarface hasn't dated much so I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about. And you keep asking whether it is necessary to remake it, yet i'm still not sure what you mean by this

nix

Scarface is deemed by many as a great movie, you may not agree but from a general stand point, should an already good movie, thats still classed as good today, be remade? Or should they focus on making something new and original?

Y'know, give us something new, instead of a rehash of a story been told before?

I can understand remaking a film with poor dated SFX, but for a movie like scarface, which is all acting/gunfire. It really doesnt need to be redone, and its simply because of the name they are doing it.

I understand they are in the biz to make money, but they can make money by giving us something different and new, instead of giving us **** weve seen before, to me its just a cheap and sad way to make money. And its becoming an increasing trend in hollywood..

al28283

you make it sound pretty easy. how about a few original ideas then? something we havent seen before

nix

/facepalm

Perhaps id make an attempt at making a career in it, if i knew my script ideas weren't gonna be cast aside in favor of a remake of a movie that would be slightly cheaper as they have the rights to a backlog of already made movies

They should make it into a musical alá West Side Story.

al28283

nix wrote: »

/facepalm

Perhaps id make an attempt at making a career in it, if i knew my script ideas weren't gonna be cast aside in favor of a remake of a movie that would be slightly cheaper as they have the rights to a backlog of already made movies

/facepalm

Sure you would nix, sure you would

Renn

nix wrote: »

Seen them in the cinema, went to see the first one and was so excited going in and couldnt have been more disappointed with a movie coming out, i felt robbed. Then was ready to boycott the 2nd one but Darko convinced me to go and there were one or two scenes i liked but the movie was **** again. And the third one i wasnt going to see but my friend was bugging me to go, so i agreed to go only if i didnt have to pay for the ticket, which i didnt, and glad i didnt, all 3 were complete muck.

And you wonder why they still make films like this?

nix

Thanks for countering all my valid points regarding the state of hollywood movies with a dumb question, way to turn it into a me vs you debate :rolleyes:

I cant do better, thats obvious, its not my profession, but i can assure you with all these remakes getting churned out, alot of hard working/good writers wont be getting ****, instead the companies just use a story they already have, which is why they are remaking movies more and more, thats my ****in point which you failed to counter :rolleyes:

al28283

nix wrote: »

Thanks for countering all my valid points regarding the state of hollywood movies with a dumb question, way to turn it into a me vs you debate :rolleyes:

I cant do better, thats obvious, its not my profession, but i can assure you with all these remakes getting churned out, alot of hard working/good writers wont be getting ****, instead the companies just use a story they already have, which is why they are remaking movies more and more, thats my ****in point which you failed to counter :rolleyes:

rolleyes is not a point.
Moviemaking is a business, and a very expensive one. They do occasionally make original movies, and what generally happens is either people don't go see them in numbers that matter, or they become huge hits and spawn several sequels/rip-offs and people complain about lack of originality.
It' a very sound business practice to produce a product they know will sell, rather than take a chance on something and make a huge loss, especially now when even the huge studios are having a tough time of it.

As for the poor writers, they pretty much dug their own graves when they decided to go on strike and studios realized they could make money without them. Same goes for TV, when they realized they could get huge ratings for reality tv/home improvement and cooking shows.

nix

Thanks, you actually educated me with that last post, what i was looking for..

I sympathise with them in regards to it being a big risk to try something new, i wouldnt mind if they were churning out worthwhile remakes and then good movies side by side. But its getting more and more lob sided in that respect and they are making poor remake choices, in my opinion.

Remakes like dawn of the dead, the crazies and true grit id deem good remakes. Horrors in general that are pretty old tend to be great polished up.

But throwing out scarface, robocop just seem needless, heck they are even remaking spiderman

It just seems like remakes are on the increase and the only original movies are foreign, and hollywood remake them too haha

And as you mentioned, i feel the exact same with reality Tv, and also gaming's gone downhill too.

Need to find yet another new hobby i guess

Television
Cinema
Gaming

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johnny_ultimate

There's also a bit of a rose-tinted glasses effect when it comes to blockbusters. Sure, there have been many great ones in the past, but let's have a quick lesson in how Hollywood has shamelessly exploited them (please note that many of these franchises started as novels or otherwise):

Jurassic Park - followed by two ho-hum, largely redundant sequels. Take a look at 1993 in film and you'll see it's very much an exception quality wise that year (in terms of blockbusters, anyway).
Jaws - death by awful sequels.
Alien - one great sequel, two that are divisive at best, hated at worst.
Predator - one cheesy film followed by an awful sequel.
Alien vs Predator - facepalm.
Star Wars - three ****ty prequels to a trilogy that is already (arguably) overstretched. Plus, look at all the toys!
Donnie Darko - let's make a crappy DTV sequel to an indie breakthrough!
Every horror franchise ever - when the evil dude goes to space, you know there's a producer somewhere using $1000 bills to snort cocaine.

Good ideas have always been exploited by Hollywood. It's nothing new. Just enjoy the odd delicious blockbuster - Serenity, Super 8, Star Trek, whatever - and ignore the crap.

MrStuffins

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

There's also a bit of a rose-tinted glasses effect when it comes to blockbusters. Sure, there have been many great ones in the past, but let's have a quick lesson in how Hollywood has shamelessly exploited them (please note that many of these franchises started as novels or otherwise):

Jurassic Park - followed by two ho-hum, largely redundant sequels. Take a look at 1993 in film and you'll see it's very much an exception quality wise that year (in terms of blockbusters, anyway).
Jaws - death by awful sequels.
Alien - one great sequel, two that are divisive at best, hated at worst.
Predator - one cheesy film followed by an awful sequel.
Alien vs Predator - facepalm.
Star Wars - three ****ty prequels to a trilogy that is already (arguably) overstretched. Plus, look at all the toys!
Donnie Darko - let's make a crappy DTV sequel to an indie breakthrough!
Every horror franchise ever - when the evil dude goes to space, you know there's a producer somewhere using $1000 bills to snort cocaine.

Good ideas have always been exploited by Hollywood. It's nothing new. Just enjoy the odd delicious blockbuster - Serenity, Super 8, Star Trek, whatever - and ignore the crap.

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A lot of people need to realise that if Hollywood got rid of all the Blockbusters then the entire studio system would collapse. Deride the fact that the new Transformers made over a billion in cinemas but remember that if it wasn't for that fact then the studio would not have the money to take a risk on a smaller film.

For every big summer blockbuster there are dozens of great films coming out of America that people are just too lazy to go looking for. Seems that for many people on here, if it's not playing in the local multiplex then it may as not exist.

johnny_ultimate

MrStuffins wrote: »

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:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

nix

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

There's also a bit of a rose-tinted glasses effect when it comes to blockbusters. Sure, there have been many great ones in the past, but let's have a quick lesson in how Hollywood has shamelessly exploited them (please note that many of these franchises started as novels or otherwise):

Jurassic Park - followed by two ho-hum, largely redundant sequels. Take a look at 1993 in film and you'll see it's very much an exception quality wise that year (in terms of blockbusters, anyway).
Jaws - death by awful sequels.
Alien - one great sequel, two that are divisive at best, hated at worst.
Predator - one cheesy film followed by an awful sequel.
Alien vs Predator - facepalm.
Star Wars - three ****ty prequels to a trilogy that is already (arguably) overstretched. Plus, look at all the toys!
Donnie Darko - let's make a crappy DTV sequel to an indie breakthrough!
Every horror franchise ever - when the evil dude goes to space, you know there's a producer somewhere using $1000 bills to snort cocaine.

Good ideas have always been exploited by Hollywood. It's nothing new. Just enjoy the odd delicious blockbuster - Serenity, Super 8, Star Trek, whatever - and ignore the crap.

I agree with everything here brah and ive seen all them, infact just enjoyed star trek again there on C4. Thats a perfect example of how movies should be done, and proof its not impossible to do these days. I know im shooting myself in the foot by saying that based on what ive been preaching thus far, but i know there should be exceptions, id like to see star wars done in the same regard.

But i just know, based on previous recent remake trends, they wont show scarface the same love. As they know it wont be potential for more sequels after it.

I guess im just sick of feeling robbed when leaving the cinema, I guess ill just have to shut up, wait and see. And stop posting in this thread

Riddle101

I'm not really happy about the idea of a Scarface remake. But if they are doing it, then i'd love to see Javier Bardem in the role of Tony Montana. He just seems right for the part and I have not doubt that Bardem would do a great job filling Pacino's shoes.