Converting passenger to commercial

snes23

I am considering moving from a passenger car to a commercial jeep/car for my company car for BIK reasons and also the fact that i lug servers and other bits around as part of my job.

What are the guide lines that govern whether a vehicle can be converted to a commercial or not. The obvious savings on VRT and i am told the vehicle comes into the country as a passenger and is then converted at a cost of around 1200 euro!!!

Like a Toyota rav4, the new range rover evoque (i know they convert the freelander) etc....

101sean

No they don't, no more post build conversions on new vehicles. New commercials have to be factory built which from Land Rover means Discovery 4 or Defender (which are all N1 no matter what build inc 7 seater CSW).

Toyota.ie don't list a RAV4 commercial, only 4x4 commercial is the Land Cruiser.

snes23

when did the no more post build rule come into play....i know someone who got a 11 plate freelander earlier this year which was converted by NVD as far as i know....

R.O.R

Think they all had to be sold by the start of April, for stuff converted in country.

Ford are making the Kuga 4x4 as a commercial (from factory). Wouldn't mind being stuck in one them.

List price is €24,180 excluding metallic or delivery.

snes23

The Kuga are nice but the are really bad on tyres....

so is it safe to say you can no longer buy a new commercial jeep unless it has been factory built (ordered as a commercial) and not converted from a passenger...?????!!!!

R.O.R

snes23 wrote: »

The Kuga are nice but the are really bad on tyres....

so is it safe to say you can no longer buy a new commercial jeep unless it has been factory built (ordered as a commercial) and not converted from a passenger...?????!!!!

That's correct.

The highest mileage Kuga we have on fleet went from 75,000km to 125,000km on a set of Conti's, but the first set of tyres were listed at 75,000km so the driver might not be the best at keeping an eye on their tyres.

No tyres listed since then and it's around 168,000km now.

dgt

Does this apply to all vehicles? Ie if I were to get a 98 306 and wanted a carvan out of 1, could I do it myself and get an engineers report, declare it on the taxbook etc or is that now illegal?

Using the 306 as an example, don't have one myself

snes23

one of the lads i work with has one...70 k on clock and now on his 4 set of tyres ...they are run flats...but maybe it's the driver..know as a bit of a michael schumacher. ...cheers for that...

R.O.R

dgt wrote: »

Does this apply to all vehicles? Ie if I were to get a 98 306 and wanted a carvan out of 1, could I do it myself and get an engineers report, declare it on the taxbook etc or is that now illegal?

Using the 306 as an example, don't have one myself

I'm afraid I really haven't a clue whether it's still possible or not to convert vehicles that are already registered - just know what new models are available as commercial.

barura

dgt wrote: »

Does this apply to all vehicles? Ie if I were to get a 98 306 and wanted a carvan out of 1, could I do it myself and get an engineers report, declare it on the taxbook etc or is that now illegal?

Using the 306 as an example, don't have one myself

I'm getting worried about your fascination of that car!

dgt

R.O.R wrote: »

I'm afraid I really haven't a clue whether it's still possible or not to convert vehicles that are already registered - just know what new models are available as commercial.

I used to have a 98 Bravo TD100 van that as converted at the dealers when it was new. Looked very unprofessional if I may add (belts cut, holes not welded etc) I know some people did it in the past and got their report, just this thread has got me asking is it still legal to do it yourself...

barura wrote: »

I'm getting worried about your fascination of that car!

Its a culchie thing hai :pac:

McP2011

barura wrote: »

dgt wrote: »

Does this apply to all vehicles? Ie if I were to get a 98 306 and wanted a carvan out of 1, could I do it myself and get an engineers report, declare it on the taxbook etc or is that now illegal?
Using the 306 as an example, don't have one myself

I'm getting worried about your fascination of that car!

What's wrong with a 306?lol

101sean

You can still commercialise a vehicle that's already registered, need to satisfy requirements of DOE which aren't as onerous as VRT commercial requirements. Only worth it on big engined 4x4s and the like and then only if you are able to justify the need for commercial tax to the revenue.

IMHO it's no longer worth vandalising passenger vehicles to get commercial motor tax.

dgt

101sean wrote: »

You can still commercialise a vehicle that's already registered, need to satisfy requirements of DOE which aren't as onerous as VRT commercial requirements. Only worth it on big engined 4x4s and the like and then only if you are able to justify the need for commercial tax to the revenue.

IMHO it's no longer worth vandalising passenger vehicles to get commercial motor tax.

Well thats cleared that up

One final question (I'm probably going away from the original point made my the op) Can an ordinary joe soap like me that isnt vat registered tax it commercially? 4 seats mean nothing to me, a van is much more practical for lugging tools about...

Apologies for diving away from the main topic!

101sean

It's been covered in several posts but VAT number is only one of several possible conditions (eg herd number, registered company), you local VRO website will probably have a list.

Check what van you're interested in, low CO2 private motor tax could be cheaper than commercial.

dgt

101sean wrote: »

It's been covered in several posts but VAT number is only one of several possible conditions (eg herd number, registered company), you local VRO website will probably have a list.

Check what van you're interested in, low CO2 private motor tax could be cheaper than commercial.

Thanks very much, I never knew where to look or what to ask for. Next time I'm in the tax office so

Fishtits

101sean wrote: »

IMHO it's no longer worth vandalising passenger vehicles to get commercial motor tax.

Sadly, it depends on which Co council you are dealing with.

Some will accomodate, some will not, visit a few days later and you may have a diferent experience.