Primary Schools - Waterpark or Ballygunner

BSPOKE20

My son is going to primary school in 2 years time, and we have him down for both Waterpark and Ballygunner.

Anyone have any experience or comparisons between both primary schools to help make the important decision.....?

Master and commander

My GF's nephew goes to waterpark, even though they live closer to ballygunner school. Her sister and her partner say they thought it better to send him to Waterpark as there is a significant portion of non-national pupils there. Though it would bring down the standard there.

It depends though on your views. Are you happy for your child to be mixing with foreigner's children?

BSPOKE20

Sorry Master and Commander - they sent him to Waterpark because there is a sigificant portion of non nationals in Ballygunner?

Don't have views either way but just trying to find the best school....

How do they find Waterpark?:rolleyes:

Master and commander

Don't know for certain. I asked one time was he going to ballyg and they said no it was waterpark for the above reason. I was surprised. I never thought there was many foreigners in that part of waterford - that whole region is a better area on the whole. As such I'm sure you'll be fine with either though

michellie

Master and commander wrote: »

It depends though on your views. Are you happy for your child to be mixing with foreigner's children?

Seriously ? Is that a basis for choosing schools now ?? Unbelievable amount of racism on this lately. It's sickening.

deisemum

My children went to Ballygunner and in my opinion I think there's a smaller proportion of foreign nationals in Ballygunner than Waterpark if what I heard about Waterpark is true. There was only one foreign national child in my younger son's class and he left June 2010. I don't recall any in my older son's class.

I heard there was a much higher proportion of foreign nationals in Waterpark but that's hearsay so can't say one way or the other.

seanybiker

Leaving nationalities aside. I never heard anything bad about either school to be honest.

ILoveShoez

michellie wrote: »

Seriously ? Is that a basis for choosing schools now ?? Unbelievable amount of racism on this lately. It's sickening.

I agree on this statement - what a way of picking a school :mad:

Sos Beag

Master and commander wrote: »

My GF's nephew goes to waterpark, even though they live closer to ballygunner school. Her sister and her partner say they thought it better to send him to Waterpark as there is a significant portion of non-national pupils there. Though it would bring down the standard there.

It depends though on your views. Are you happy for your child to be mixing with foreigner's children?

I usually just read these forums but had to register having read this thread. I find the views aired above staggering! For what its worth I actually teach in a class with quite a number of students who are not Irish. The atmosphere in the classroom and the manner in which all the children from diverse social, economic and indeed cultural and religious backgrounds integrate and mix is heartwarming! Academic standards are very good in general, particularly good amongst most of the non Irish children as it happens. The children are for the most part oblivious to any difference between each other. Such exposure to multi cultural environments will serve the children in good stead for their future years. They will be all the better for it, a new generation of broadminded folk, as distinct from the narrowminded generation we seem to be part of and which seems prevalent in these parts!

ikeano29

Well thats the great thing about children, they don't usually see other kids with labels(black, white, red, yellow, foreign, alien, accents).

Kids see other kids simply as other kids.

Maybe some of you above should take a leaf from your childrens books!

TPK

Master and commander wrote: »

It depends though on your views. Are you happy for your child to be mixing with foreigner's children?

I too am a long time lurker on these forums, I registered as I was astounded by the statement above & felt I should offer some response. I hope M & C is a troll and made a statement just for a reaction. I'm not even going to argue with the statements made. Actually I wont respond, a level of ignorance like this deserves no response.

nkay1985

TPK wrote: »

I too am a long time lurker on these forums, I registered as I was astounded by the statement above & felt I should offer some response. I hope M & C is a troll and made a statement just for a reaction. I'm not even going to argue with the statements made. Actually I wont respond, a level of ignorance like this deserves no response.

Pretty sure you hit the nail on the head there buddy.

Stick around though. There's usually a few good discussions going on.

seanybiker

When i was in primary we had a pakhastani chap in our class for a year or two. This is going back 20+ years now. We thought it was cool learning about what he got upto back home, so i think the more nationalities the better.
The fella in my class ended up being an awful gombeen but that was nothing to do with nationality, he just got annoying after a while is all. Plenty of annoying Irish around aswell so Feck it.

Speak Now

BSPOKE20 wrote: »

My son is going to primary school in 2 years time, and we have him down for both Waterpark and Ballygunner.

Anyone have any experience or comparisons between both primary schools to help make the important decision.....?

I wouldn't spend to much time worrying about this until you get offered a place. I know Ballygunner take in 3 classes every year but could have over 50% more applicants than they can take.

Cabaal

Kind of shocked that racism appears to be so strong amongst some users and they are so public about it.

Very worrying when you consider that regardless of ethnic background etc you can easily have a student from any background drag down a class and affect other pupils experience/grades yet on this thread its been blamed on "non-nationals".

Of course how people know that these kids are all non-nationals is interesting considering a kid could easily have a different ethnic background and they could still be a Irish citizen.

Yes Boss

OP - my kids go to Waterpark. I had the same option as you and was offered both places. The reason i chose Waterpark is because it was a smaller more intimate school - they have only one class per year. That ensures that the kids in juniors will know by name the kids in 6th class. They also know each of the Teachers teaching in the school.

I will take it you are not ignorant like M&Cs family who made a choice on the grounds of Nationality. My opinion on this is that my kids have made some great friend from different Countries and learn about different cultures and will grow up all the better for it (more open minded).

If you have any specific questions - just PM me.

gscully

I had the pleasure of volunteering in Ballygunner for Junior Achievement a couple of years ago. If you get the chance, do it. It's heartening and rewarding and so much fun, but I digress.

One thing I took from my few weeks there, is that the students mix well and are encouraged to. It's a mixed-gender school and the boys and girls interact with each other. They sit with each other and hang around together. There's no divide. I was told that this actually discourages bullying. It's a great school and I hope to get my kids in there.

Master and commander

I'm not being racist here, i'm just saying. thats all. In my home area (cahir) alot of parents in recent years have chosen to send the kids to schools in non-urban areas because they think the educational standard there is better since there is a much smaller number of non-nationals and members of the travelling community in those schools. I don't know if its racism tbh, but i think it might qualify for good old fashioned snobbery of not wanting the kids associating with "those kinds". I cannot say i approve to much of a degree. Such is their distain that some parents who live in cahir, 5 mins walk from the school drive the kids on a 25min journey every day to grange or ardfinnan schools. Clasism and snobbery more than racism i'd say, since usually its the ones driving the BMW X7's and big mercs that go out there.

IrishManSaipan

Sos Beag wrote: »

I usually just read these forums but had to register having read this thread. I find the views aired above staggering! For what its worth I actually teach in a class with quite a number of students who are not Irish. The atmosphere in the classroom and the manner in which all the children from diverse social, economic and indeed cultural and religious backgrounds integrate and mix is heartwarming! Academic standards are very good in general, particularly good amongst most of the non Irish children as it happens. The children are for the most part oblivious to any difference between each other. Such exposure to multi cultural environments will serve the children in good stead for their future years. They will be all the better for it, a new generation of broadminded folk, as distinct from the narrowminded generation we seem to be part of and which seems prevalent in these parts!

You are a disgrace. Ireland for the Irish. Why are we paying to educate foreign interlopers?

IrishManSaipan

Cabaal wrote: »

Kind of shocked that racism appears to be so strong amongst some users and they are so public about it.

Very worrying when you consider that regardless of ethnic background etc you can easily have a student from any background drag down a class and affect other pupils experience/grades yet on this thread its been blamed on "non-nationals".

Of course how people know that these kids are all non-nationals is interesting considering a kid could easily have a different ethnic background and they could still be a Irish citizen.

Our country has been invaded by foreigners for the past ten years or so.

Yet, this poster seems amazed that people voice their concerns.

As for their ethnic background, a passport may make you legally Irish. But their blood aint Irish. Thats for sure. Repatriation is the answer.

Cabaal

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Our country has been invaded by foreigners for the past ten years or so.

Invade...seriously?

in·vade
   [in-veyd] Show IPA verb, -vad·ed, -vad·ing.
verb (used with object)
1.to enter forcefully as an enemy; go into with hostile intent: Germany invaded Poland in 1939.
2.to enter like an enemy: Locusts invaded the fields.
3.to enter as if to take possession: to invade a neighbor's home.
4.to enter and affect injuriously or destructively, as disease: viruses that invade the bloodstream.

So I guess coming to a country within the laws of said country and using the education system within that country, working in that country etc counts as a forceful act with hostile intent?
:rolleyes:

With pretty much the exception of Africa I think you'll find we are all "invaders" (as you incorrectly put it) to every country throughout the world.....at least this is what history factually shows us.

As for their ethnic background, a passport may make you legally Irish. But their blood aint Irish. Thats for sure. Repatriation is the answer.

Oh please enlighten me, exactly how many generations must a person be before they have "Irish blood"?

:rolleyes:

gscully

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

You are a disgrace. Ireland for the Irish. Why are we paying to educate foreign interlopers?

Another racist troll. They're entitled to an education as much as anyone else.

Sadly yours was wasted.

michellie

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Sos Beag wrote: »

I usually just read these forums but had to register having read this thread. I find the views aired above staggering! For what its worth I actually teach in a class with quite a number of students who are not Irish. The atmosphere in the classroom and the manner in which all the children from diverse social, economic and indeed cultural and religious backgrounds integrate and mix is heartwarming! Academic standards are very good in general, particularly good amongst most of the non Irish children as it happens. The children are for the most part oblivious to any difference between each other. Such exposure to multi cultural environments will serve the children in good stead for their future years. They will be all the better for it, a new generation of broadminded folk, as distinct from the narrowminded generation we seem to be part of and which seems prevalent in these parts!

You are a disgrace. Ireland for the Irish. Why are we paying to educate foreign interlopers?

There are no words.

Yes Boss

Master and commander wrote: »

I'm not being racist here, i'm just saying. thats all. In my home area (cahir) alot of parents in recent years have chosen to send the kids to schools in non-urban areas because they think the educational standard there is better since there is a much smaller number of non-nationals and members of the travelling community in those schools. I don't know if its racism tbh, but i think it might qualify for good old fashioned snobbery of not wanting the kids associating with "those kinds". I cannot say i approve to much of a degree. Such is their distain that some parents who live in cahir, 5 mins walk from the school drive the kids on a 25min journey every day to grange or ardfinnan schools. Clasism and snobbery more than racism i'd say, since usually its the ones driving the BMW X7's and big mercs that go out there.

You can call it class divide but it is clearly ignorant racism. It is actually quite backwards...

hardybuck

People who think the people who are trolling here are being naiive. These are common opinions which people share in conversations regularly. Many who don't express it openly will keep it not to far from the surface.

I think its a genuine concern in a scenario where perhaps kids who don't class English as their first language holding back a class. I'm aware of scenarios where this has become a problem, especially in areas like Dublin's inner city.

As much as I try my best to be fair and decent to every person I meet, racism, ageism, sexism are just a fact of life. I've experienced racist abuse myself abroad as an Irish person, and a white person who wanders into a black neighbourhood of somewhere like the US will be let know pretty quickly that they aren't welcome.

Outside of Brazil, I've yet to see a society where a multiculturalism seems to exist in harmony.

Master and commander

hardybuck wrote: »

People who think the people who are trolling here are being naiive. These are common opinions which people share in conversations regularly. Many who don't express it openly will keep it not to far from the surface.

+1
This is the case all over, people in pubic say they have no problem with other nationalities, races, but then privately hold them in contempt. A perfect example is my 36 yr old sister. She is a primary school teacher with some travellers and foreigners in her school, so she has to go through the multicultural motion and pays good lip service to it. But personally, she is very very anti foreigner in her views. She comes out with stuff like "oh sure its the polish this....." and "ah sure its all foreigners there" and " be careful and don't get caught out with those" type statements.

She was once talking about babies and breast feeding vs formula, and she claimed that polish/east european women only breast fed because the were to mean and tight to buy formula! believe it or believe it not. It happened. I was shocked myself, even though I wouldn't be the biggest fans of foreigners (i'm not a racist or xenophobe btw, i'm just not their biggest fan, thats all)

However, i genuinely think alot of her suspicion is founded on more than a grain of truth - there have been a good deal of "incidents" around these parts where foreigners were allegedly responsible and in many cases were.

In the case of "members of the travelling community", seriously, i think we must all agree that any suspicions are very well grounded when you consider the travellers reputation and long history of anti social behaviour. While not all are guilty, a significant portion (possibly majority) are involved, so being cautious and suspcious is warranted. Take a look at those naieve people who have reached out to travellers and such groups - they ran rings around them.

While stereotypes are not always accurate, in many cases they are near enough to the actual case. Thats how stereotypes develop. There was a study done that i read (cant remember name) but it found that more often than not, stereotypes were accurate - contrary to the commonly held belief that they were inaccurate catch all put downs for whole groups.

So if it occurs with those who supposedly perpetuate the multicultural idea, then it must be rampant, but just under the surface, with the rest of the population.
I believe the european multicultural project has just put the natural xenophbia and suspicion of people into cold storage, it has not got rid of it by a long shot. We can see it surfacing now and again. the items raised in this thread are anexample of that.

deisemum

With all the irish people emigrating I hope their children do not come across such prejudice at school.

hardybuck

deisemum wrote: »

With all the irish people emigrating I hope their children do not come across such prejudice at school.

Chances are they will to some extent. However, the difference between Irish emigrants and asylum seekers is that the Irish are generally well educated, travelling to work, and are making a positive impact on the countries they arrive in. They may drink too much, but generally are well received.

The issue we've faced is having difficulties with integrating asylum seekers, Romanians & Bulgarians etc. They don't easily fit into our culture and are proving to be an expensive burden to the State.

Apologies to the OP here - I realise this isn't much advice on which school is better.

Speak Now

hardybuck wrote: »

Chances are they will to some extent. However, the difference between Irish emigrants and asylum seekers is that the Irish are generally well educated, travelling to work, and are making a positive impact on the countries they arrive in. They may drink too much, but generally are well received.

The issue we've faced is having difficulties with integrating asylum seekers, Romanians & Bulgarians etc. They don't easily fit into our culture and are proving to be an expensive burden to the State.

Apologies to the OP here - I realise this isn't much advice on which school is better.

Romanians and Bulgarians are not asylum seekers.
Any Romanians i know are very well educated.

Both schools are very good, you wont go wrong with either really.
As someone else said the main difference is size, they'll be 3 classes for each year in Ballygunner (St. Marys).

hardybuck

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

Romanians and Bulgarians are not asylum seekers.

Thats why I placed a comma between asylum seekers and Romanians - I did make a destinction between the two in doing so. I think a lot of the bad press is directed at the Roma community, but places like the UK and Italy in particular have experienced an explosion of crime when the increase in immigration from these two countries began.

OP - have you considered St.Declan's at all? I've heard very good testimonials on the place when Eamonn O'Mahony and Br.Finbarr were principles, but not sure how good or bad it is currently.

deisemum

hardybuck wrote: »

Chances are they will to some extent. However, the difference between Irish emigrants and asylum seekers is that the Irish are generally well educated, travelling to work, and are making a positive impact on the countries they arrive in. They may drink too much, but generally are well received.

The issue we've faced is having difficulties with integrating asylum seekers, Romanians & Bulgarians etc. They don't easily fit into our culture and are proving to be an expensive burden to the State.

Apologies to the OP here - I realise this isn't much advice on which school is better.

Having emigrated to London in the 80's I came across a lot of prejudice but hope things have improved since then.

wagtail99

hardybuck wrote: »

....
Outside of Brazil, I've yet to see a society where a multiculturalism seems to exist in harmony.

A bit off topic I know...
There may not be much overt racism in Brazil, but you'll find very very few black people in the higher echelons of Brazilian industry/society. A friend of mine, in London, had some Brazilians visiting her organisation a few years back and when they were brought in to meet the CEO, a black man, they actually asked when was the CEO was arriving, they did not believe that a black man could be in that position.

seanybiker

wagtail99 wrote: »

A bit off topic I know...
There may not be much overt racism in Brazil, but you'll find very very few black people in the higher echelons of Brazilian industry/society. A friend of mine, in London, had some Brazilians visiting her organisation a few years back and when they were brought in to meet the CEO, a black man, they actually asked when was the CEO was arriving, they did not believe that a black man could be in that position.

Brazilians have some savage women fans in the world cup

dayshah

hardybuck wrote: »

I think a lot of the bad press is directed at the Roma community, but places like the UK and Italy in particular have experienced an explosion of crime when the increase in immigration from these two countries began.

In Italy they did have a spike in crime, but it wasn't because of migrants. In early 2007 (when Romania and Bulgaria joined) Italy had an amnesty in their prisons due to overcrowding. So there was a spike in crime due to scumbags being let loose on the streets, but Romanians got blamed for it (and don't get me started on the people who don't know the difference between Roma and Romanians, but I know you're not one ).
Here is a link. In Naples the mafia/comorra were happy for the blame to go on the migrants, so as not to attract too much attention to themselves, and they tried to stir it up. Also the govt preferred to blame migrants, rather than their stupid decision to allow scumbags out onto the streets.

Fairly ironic, because if there was ever an immigrant group tagged with crime it was Italians in the US. Oh, well.

As for the UK, I never heard before of a spike in crime associated with the increased migration following EU enlargement.

hardybuck

dayshah wrote: »

As for the UK, I never heard before of a spike in crime associated with the increased migration following EU enlargement.

In the UK, convictions against EU citizens almost tripled in 2007 following EU enlargement. Polish were the worst offenders, followed by the Romanians in second. The Irish were actually in the top 5 also - but spiked by our large numbers I'd imagine.

hardybuck

wagtail99 wrote: »

A bit off topic I know...
There may not be much overt racism in Brazil, but you'll find very very few black people in the higher echelons of Brazilian industry/society. A friend of mine, in London, had some Brazilians visiting her organisation a few years back and when they were brought in to meet the CEO, a black man, they actually asked when was the CEO was arriving, they did not believe that a black man could be in that position.

No doubt that the white population has control over a lot of wealth and education, partly due to historic factors though I understand, but it does not stop the African community in particular from being celebrated.

Check this show out when you get some free time, interesting watch. http://video.pbs.org/video/1906000944/

Max Powers

Master and commander wrote: »

My GF's nephew goes to waterpark, even though they live closer to ballygunner school. Her sister and her partner say they thought it better to send him to Waterpark as there is a significant portion of non-national pupils there. Though it would bring down the standard there.

It depends though on your views. Are you happy for your child to be mixing with foreigner's children?

Incredibly offensive abnd racist remark there, thank God 99% of kids these days are growing up with plenty of non-Irish in their classes and with a bit of luck that racist caveman talk will end with their generation

Max Powers

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Our country has been invaded by foreigners for the past ten years or so.

Yet, this poster seems amazed that people voice their concerns.

As for their ethnic background, a passport may make you legally Irish. But their blood aint Irish. Thats for sure. Repatriation is the answer.

Is this a joke, seriously or is it some one trying to raise a reaction for the sake of it, a bit chilidish if so, unbelievable if not.

''Ireland for the Irish'', i have never heard such misguided, unintelligent verbal diarrohea in all my life. One rehetorical question; what about the millions of Irish in America, Canada, Oz, Britain and elsewhere.

gscully

seanybiker wrote: »

Brazilians have some savage women fans in the world cup

Some savage women fans in the world cup have Brazilians.