Passat 1.6FSI or 1.4 TSI or anything bigger?

bittihuduga

hi
in the market for a car. i have come down to Passat (purely on the decision from heart rather than brain).
looking for something 2007 and later and petrol only
i can see plenty of 1.6FSI engines.
searched through this boards forum and have seen not many good comments on it. :-( big car with small engine.
should i go for 1.8FSI or bigger?
or should i try for 1.4 TSI which has very good reviews with its Turbo engine which has fixed many of FSI defects.
also there are very few TSIs and are nearly 10k+ in price.

what about mileage on these cars?
there are 2008 cars with 190k kms. how can one drive so much in 3 years???

166man

There are not too many TSI engines around I think due to high demand, however there are quite a few of the 2.0 FSI engines around if tax isn't a big problem, although I have heard from people that he 1.6 is acceptable...

As for 190k km It's only about 40k miles a year which isn't too bad, could be reps driving length and breath of the country on a weekly basis. Nice car to do 190k km in though.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volkswagen/Passat/VW-PASSA/201136204376653/advert?channel=CARS

bittihuduga

thanks for the guidance.
i believe that big motorway mileage with good handling of car is better than small city mileage with rough driving.
what kind of mileage is acceptable on a passat?
are there any known FSI problems other than small engine in big car?

L-M

My dad has one from 06-10, put 29,000kms on it. I drove it a good bit and found it grand. He has a 1.4 TSI and it's a better engine alright.

I wouldn't bother with a 07 2.0, they're a 150 bhp engine and I can't imagine them to have a good resale value in a few years time.

EPM

I've driven a few rental 1.4tsi Passats for about a thousand miles in total and never found them wanting for power. Can easily keep up with traffic and not too uneconomical driven sensibly. Feels livelier than my fathers 2 litre petrol Mondeo despite it having 20bhp more.

pajo1981

From my ownership experience, the 1.6 FSI is a dog. Avoid.

-Corkie-

Get the 1.4 tsi. The 2.0/1.8/1.6 fsi are only pigs of things.

166man

Would a 1.4 TSI come under the OP's budget which I'm guessing is around 10k..

bittihuduga

166man wrote: »

Would a 1.4 TSI come under the OP's budget which I'm guessing is around 10k..

as of now, NO as my budget is 8k.

i heard the similar(negative reviews) on 1.6 Mondeo Zetec (new model) too.
i don't know why these car makers make these small engines :-(

si_guru

bittihuduga wrote: »

..i don't know why these car makers make these small engines :-(

Road tax.

166man

bittihuduga wrote: »

as of now, NO as my budget is 8k.

i heard the similar(negative reviews) on 1.6 Mondeo Zetec (new model) too.
i don't know why these car makers make these small engines :-(

Yeah not sure if you will find a 1.4 TSI for 8k... There are plenty of nice cars out there for 8k though!

bittihuduga

166man wrote: »

Yeah not sure if you will find a 1.4 TSI for 8k... There are plenty of nice cars out there for 8k though!

if you don't mind, can you please share some suggestions?

166man

bittihuduga wrote: »

if you don't mind, can you please share some suggestions?

You would like a petrol family saloon then with low enough tax, that right?

Something maybe like this it is a bit older though

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Mercedes-Benz/C-Class/C180-AUT/131677114679137/advert?channel=CARS

bazz26

Passat 1.4 TSi has a turbo and produces 122bhp. That engine is well able to move the Passat around. It replaced the 1.6 FSi which had only 115bhp. The 1.6 FSi engine was not great and really had a short shelf life in the VAG range. If looking at the 2.0 FSi just remember there is very little market for these cars in this country and they are hard to sell on, so be prepared to keep it until it dies.

Also take note that the B6 Passat suffered from alot of problems that were not really ironed out until early 2008 so 2008 should be the minimum you should be looking at. BTW you will not buy a decent 1.4 TSi Passat for €8k.

bittihuduga

what are your thoughts on the below? anything to look out for?
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volkswagen/Passat/PASSAT-B/201135204252519/advert?channel=CARS
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volkswagen/Passat/1.4-TSI-/131159952887249/advert?channel=CARS

-Corkie-

bittihuduga wrote: »

what are your thoughts on the below? anything to look out for?
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volkswagen/Passat/PASSAT-B/201135204252519/advert?channel=CARS
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volkswagen/Passat/1.4-TSI-/131159952887249/advert?channel=CARS

The second one is the base model which is poverty spec. I would have the 1.8 if the tax isnt crazy on it. On second thoughts the mileage is crazy.

L-M

The 1.8 looks like something that was run by a fleet company, ie. Properly maintained. Can't see any major issue once you get a warranty and the tax is cheap.

As for the BOG spec 1.4... LOL

bittihuduga

bittihuduga wrote: »

what are your thoughts on the below? anything to look out for?
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volkswagen/Passat/PASSAT-B/201135204252519/advert?channel=CARS
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volkswagen/Passat/1.4-TSI-/131159952887249/advert?channel=CARS

is this any good compared to the above?
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2207256

166man

bittihuduga wrote: »

is this any good compared to the above?
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2207256

To me it looks expensive for what it is though I don't know what they cost new.. It's still the most basic Mondeo that's near 5 years old with more than 100k miles on it... pricey.

bittihuduga

thanks for the views 166man.
the problem is all those mondeos/passats are pricey :-(
its difficult to find a low mileage car within the budget

166man

bittihuduga wrote: »

thanks for the views 166man.
the problem is all those mondeos/passats are pricey :-(
its difficult to find a low mileage car within the budget

This is a bit left field and the tax might be a bit high but a fine car nonetheless

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2535131

Zonda999

Lads, why were some people diss'ing the 1.8TSi earlier in th thread? Afaik, that engine only launched in late 2006, does it have reliability issues or whatever. I ask, because I've driven that engine twice, both in Octavia's. Always thought it was a lovely engine, very very quiet for a petrol and not as bad on fuel as a 160bhp petrol would suggest

bittihuduga

166man wrote: »

This is a bit left field and the tax might be a bit high but a fine car nonetheless

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2535131

thats very cheap for that mileage.
how can i know if the mileage is genuine and not clocked?

VolvoMan

166man wrote: »

This is a bit left field and the tax might be a bit high but a fine car nonetheless

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2535131

+1

Excellent car.

Pisses all over the Passat. It's just the general Irish public are too stupid to know.

L-M

Of course it pisses all over the Passat, it's a much bigger, turbo'd version that cost alot more and is now worth even less than an equivalent Passat!

VolvoMan

Limerick man wrote: »

Of course it pisses all over the Passat, it's a much bigger, turbo'd version that cost alot more and is now worth even less than an equivalent Passat!

It was 35k new and is smaller than a Passat in overall length (after checking there very quickly, it is in fact over 100mm shorter). These were also turbocharged throughout the range.

I think you're thinking this is an S80.

166man

bittihuduga wrote: »

thats very cheap for that mileage.
how can i know if the mileage is genuine and not clocked?

I think you can run a motorcheck on it online or cartell. Or just read the service history carefully...:)

L-M

VolvoMan wrote: »

It was 35k new and is smaller than a Passat in overall length (after checking there very quickly, it is in fact over 100mm shorter).

I think you're thinking this is an S80.

That was 35k new? Even with the leather etc.? Jesus... Not bad value, pity it was a really old design in 06. Still looking lovely now, though.

VolvoMan

Limerick man wrote: »

That was 35k new? Even with the leather etc.? Jesus... Not bad value, pity it was a really old design in 06. Still looking lovely now, though.

They came down to 35k around '06 for the standard 2.0T S.

I'd still say that particular one was a bit less than 40k brand new. I think SE spec only added about 2-3k to the price.

166man

If that car was infact 35k new then may I reiterate my original post and say that it looks like excellent value for money and yes I second the 'pisses on a passat' statement..:D

VolvoMan

166man wrote: »

If that car was infact 35k new then may I reiterate my original post and say that it looks like excellent value for money and yes I second the 'pisses on a passat' statement..:D

They were indeed.

Sure I remember it was one of the reasons my father backed out of buying an 18 month old T5; it was priced more than a brand new 2.0T.

People probably remember that up until quite recently, SE spec in Volvo's got you leather and everything for a minimum outlay. It was a major selling point.

166man

VolvoMan wrote: »

They were indeed.

Sure I remember it was one of the reasons my father backed out of buying an 18 month old T5; it was priced more than a brand new 2.0T.

People probably remember that up until quite recently, SE spec in Volvo's got you leather and everything for a minimum outlay. It was a major selling point.

I always think that I would love a nice S60 D5 auto with leather in a few years time. Always had a soft spot for Volvo's in general. I do like that S60 petrol one too.

R.O.R

Limerick man wrote: »

That was 35k new? Even with the leather etc.? Jesus... Not bad value, pity it was a really old design in 06. Still looking lovely now, though.

Some clever person in here decided to throw away all the Car Sales Guides from before 2007 (had most months going back to 98 :mad:) so earliest I can find was Feb 07.

2.0T S lists at €41,400. Sport at €42,400 and SE at €44,400. Full leather was an option on the Sport, but I don't know how much.

If that S60 checks out, that's savage value. If it weren't for the fuel consumption, I'd be tempted myself (even though I really don't like the look of the spaceball gear knob).

bittihuduga

is it a mondeo engine inside S60?

L-M

R.O.R wrote: »

Some clever person in here decided to throw away all the Car Sales Guides from before 2007 (had most months going back to 98 :mad:) so earliest I can find was Feb 07.

2.0T S lists at €41,400. Sport at €42,400 and SE at €44,400. Full leather was an option on the Sport, but I don't know how much.

If that S60 checks out, that's savage value. If it weren't for the fuel consumption, I'd be tempted myself (even though I really don't like the look of the spaceball gear knob).

€42,400 plus delivery plus metallic I'm assuming?

A bit shy of 10k under valued there Mr. Volvoman. I've a few of those Guides too, but I the earliest would also be 07.

R.O.R

Limerick man wrote: »

€42,400 plus delivery plus metallic I'm assuming?

A bit shy of 10k under valued there Mr. Volvoman. I've a few of those Guides too, but I the earliest would also be 07.

Aye - ex. works are the figues I quoted. Possible it's Black Stone (NCO), but that still leaves delivery, leather and any other extra's on that particular car.

L-M

You would of gotten alot of Passat for that money in 07!

VolvoMan

R.O.R wrote: »

2.0T S lists at €41,400. Sport at €42,400 and SE at €44,400. Full leather was an option on the Sport, but I don't know how much.

Limerick man wrote: »

€42,400 plus delivery plus metallic I'm assuming?

I just checked there and up to '06 the range started at 39,995 for a 2.0T S. It then went down to 38,400 thereafter, so I'm about 2k off.

Bear in mind that large discounts were also able to be had at this stage in the car's life.

bittihuduga wrote: »

is it a mondeo engine inside S60?

Uggghhhh...

I can't deal with this.

-Corkie-

VolvoMan wrote: »

+1

Excellent car.

Pisses all over the Passat. It's just the general Irish public are too stupid to know.

Definitley does pisx all over the Passat. Thats a seriously cheap car given the spec etc. I bought a brand new Passat in 07 with a few extras and only a good weekend away with the change out of 36k

VolvoMan

-Corkie- wrote: »

Definitley does pisx all over the Passat. Thats a seriously cheap car given the spec etc. I bought a brand new Passat in 07 with a few extras and only a good weekend away with the change out of 36k

That said, I'm not denying the Passat is a decent car in its own right.

-Corkie-

VolvoMan wrote: »

That said, I'm not denying the Passat is a decent car in its own right.

They are decent but I couldnt see myself buying one again. For example I have the very same steering wheel and stereo as my mates Caddy van..:rolleyes:

johnos1984

-Corkie- wrote: »

They are decent but I couldnt see myself buying one again. For example I have the very same steering wheel and stereo as my mates Caddy van..:rolleyes:

It must be a very nice van so