Is FG/Mitchell making a mess of another election ?

HellsAngel

For the party that got 36.1% at the last election FG are now as per PaddyPower 4th in the race. When MMcG announced his standing he started at 6/1 and is now up to 9/4 !!!

And look at Mitchell's performance where he claimed that that Sinn Fein manipulated the Joe Duffy show vote and then had to admited that FG did text members asking for support in Liveline poll during the week* !!!!

Next he seems to be implying that people don't have the right to vote for MMcG and that their's some sort of military coup about to happen if the MMcG is elected Mitchell said "he had spent his life defending the State, and he was not about to surrender it to people who will change it from the inside."

So for a party that has 76 seats out of 166 in the Dail but are now lying fourth, are FG/Mitchell making a mess of another election ???




FG did text members asking for support in Liveline http://twitter.com/#!/JustinMacTDFM

claimed that that Sinn Fein manipulated the Joe Duffy show vote http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74518707&postcount=1622

Blondbiddy

Martin McGuinness entering the race has put the frighteners on them all.
At least we know who he is and what he stands for. You couldn't believe a 'word' from the rest of them!!
No harm to Gay Mitchel but he has about as much charisma as a wet fish!

HellsAngel

Blondbiddy wrote: »

Martin McGuinness entering the race has put the frighteners on them all.
At least we know who he is and what he stands for. You couldn't believe a 'word' from the rest of them!!
No harm to Gay Mitchel but he has about as much charisma as a wet fish!

Mitchell's a joke. Those of us who remember him wanting to bring the Olympics* to Dublin back in around 1990 !!!!


( The actual Summer Olympics and not the Special Olympics that were held in Croke Park in 2003 )

matthew8

Paddypower also paid out on yes in Lisbon 1. Mitchell will do better than 4th, I guarantee it. (first prefs)

HellsAngel

matthew8 wrote: »

Paddypower also paid out on yes in Lisbon 1. Mitchell will do better than 4th, I guarantee it. (first prefs)

Well thankfully the bookies get it worng sometimes, though not enough. Still Mitchell lying fourth for the party with the largest no. of seats in the Dail is a poor showing for him.

Just thought about his statement about "he had spent his life defending the State ". Wasn't it Pearse Doherty who brought the case against the FF Govt over it's foot dragging to hold a bi election in Donegal ?? What similair action did Mitchell take " defending the State " ? Has he been to the forefront contesting European Treaties in the courts

mikemac

The other MMcG would have been a more popular candidate for FG in my opinion

Máiread McGuinness

Very well known from her work with RTÉ and now an MEP

ArmaniJeanss

HellsAngel wrote: »

Just thought about his statement about "he had spent his life defending the State ". Wasn't it Pearse Doherty who brought the case against the FF Govt over it's foot dragging to hold a bi election in Donegal ?? What similair action did Mitchell take " defending the State " ? Has he been to the forefront contesting European Treaties in the courts

I'm guessing by 'defending the state' he meant abiding by and supporting its laws and institutions, and never being engaged in drug or arms importation and general terror and murder.

HellsAngel

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

I'm guessing by 'defending the state' he meant abiding by and supporting its laws and institutions, and never being engaged in drug or arms importation and general terror and murder.

Really, what part of the Guards or Army or Customs was he in ?

FetchTheGin

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Gay Mitchell was voted in, he has FG and most of the auld dears behind him.

ArmaniJeanss

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

I'm guessing by 'defending the state' he meant abiding by and supporting its laws and institutions, and never being engaged in drug or arms importation and general terror and murder.

HellsAngel wrote: »

Really, what part of the Guards or Army or Customs was he in ?

Well clearly he didn't serve in any of those organisations, though to be pedantic as opposition spokesman in both Justice & Foreign Affairs he would have had input into any crises in those departments at those times.
He would also have been on a multitude of All-Party Committees formulating the policies & direction of the state.

I guess it depends on whether at a general level you see the work of politicians/judges/courts/diplomats etc as being 'defenders of the state', or whether you just limit the definition to those who potentially get to do hand-to-hand fighting. Can you only defend the state with a sword, and not a pen?

Biggins

HellsAngel wrote: »

Is FG/Mitchell making a mess of another election ?

Yes.

(The Irish Indo won't accept and public the following and they refuse to even say why - I posted it without links. Guess we know who they are supporting!)

I repeat part of what I posted elsewhere on boards.ie

There is still it seems many (including a lot of so called west-Brits in FG) in our country that won’t accept that the majority of the Irish people has decided to move on in progression and in recognising the character and actions of some presidential candidates. There is sadly still many that are clinging to the past and refuse to see what others plainly can – that the world has moved on, including Ireland and that we are no longer subservient to the demands of the Roman Catholic Church of Rome and its section of horse blinkered fools.

This has become quite clear when the topic of candidates arises in regard to the Irish presidential election. Fine Gael has (for some absolute bizarre reason) put forth as their main man, religious fanatic, one Gay Mitchell.

After all, he’s only an EXTREMELY religious person that wants religion to play every part in running the country, the EU and everything else under the sun (you can read an example of his words in the Irish Catholic newspaper under the heading “Religion has an important part to play in shaping Europe” – 11th Feb 2010) in regards to the EU and how he wants religion to play a part in EVERY bit of it.

So what if last year, Mr Mitchell invited to Dublin Dr Alveda King, a radical anti-­abortion activist. The American has only for years been a point of controversy, making statements that include comparing abortion to racism and likening gay marriage to genocide.

Then there is supposedly Mitchell’s alleged extreme outdated views that homosexuality is a sin to boot and homosexuality should be made ILLEGAL. The apple does not fall far from the tree it seems!

Then there is his previous MASSIVE junkets that cost a fortune – sure everyone like to take a trip or ten at the public’s expense! (see here: http://lnw.me/OK4BEt)

So what if he In 2003, called on then Florida governor Jeb Bush to spare the life of Paul Hill, who in 1994 murdered a doctor and his bodyguard because the medic performed abortions! Sure he was only allegedly looking out for people that might share his same outlook on the abortion issue? Don’t that show he cares about some people – his kind of people that possibly think often along similar lines as himself? Clearly he’s not embarressed to be seen associating or even meeting with them!

And sure didn’t he make the useful suggestion in 2006 that the British head of state should become the head of state of any new all-Ireland nation! (You can read more about that here with additional links: http://ansionnachfionn.com/2011/08/01/gay-mitchell-right-wing-conservative-christian-and-president-of-ireland/).

* http://dossing.blogspot.com/2006/08/gay-mitchell-still-not-in-papers.html

* http://www.politicsinireland.com/category/former/gay-mitchell/

* http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055914606

* http://www.irishelection.com/2006/08/fine-gael-the-monarchist-party/

* http://ansionnachfionn.com/2011/08/01/gay-mitchell-right-wing-conservative-christian-and-president-of-ireland/

* http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/dubious-stance-on-sovereignty-2183479.html

Don’t take my word for that either! Do an internet engine search – you can read about how allegedly far ‘beyond the pale’ he possibly is, how far out of touch he possibly is, all over the available media and Internet reports/research – like here for example: http://lnw.me/GFzksq

Some would say “Yes” – lets all vote for him instead of others. Sure he’s a grand chap and we deserve everything we get – or later possibly taken away from us! You know, like losing freedom from religion interference, democracy, our country, our individual rights! Those little things – sure we wouldn’t miss them – then go a head and vote for him. As the saying goes “Be careful for what you wish for…”

Again it has to be said, sadly there is those that are living in the past, that refuse to accept recorded fact, refuse to accept that a candidate has some what can only be called ‘far out there’ notions that to be honest possibly border on the wacky side of life, certainly unworkable ones – and whats even sadder is that there is further extreme religious nuts that are willing to follow the man over a cliff if he went first! Such people you can find in such news media comments, making sad, blind posts like can be found here: http://lnw.me/71dt8U.

It saddens many in our country that these blind, foolish people that refuse to see what others can, are still wishing to remain blind and live in some twisted false rosy version of a past that never existed.
Ireland must move away and on from such sad people. Do the right thing come voting day for the presidents office – don’t vote for those that would see Ireland become a laughing stock of Europe, don’t vote for those that are clinging to the past with their out of date, some say sick religious views.

Do the right thing – vote for progression and common sense – not for a president that will take us years back in mentality and representation – and that CLEARLY includes Gay Mitchell.

The man has the gaul to lash out at one other that has progressed Ireland in the last ten years alone – than the 100 years in backwardness Gay Mitchel would like the country to go in his possible role as president!
Dear Fine Gael and Gay Mitchell – lay off the crap – your not Snow White yourself’s!

HellsAngel wrote: »

Is FG/Mitchell making a mess of another election ?

BIG BIG time!

Chucky the tree

As soon as they picked him as there candidate they were dead in the water basically. Not idea what the party or anyone could do differently to make his campaign a success.

niallers1

If they ran Pat Cox I would have voted for him. This leaves MMcG as the only other person of Political calibre in this Presidential election.

I will be voting for MMcG.

Can somebody explain what Gay Mitchell meant about MMcG changing the state from the inside? Isn't that what Politics is about?

I thought that was a bit of a bizarre comment.

Biggins

niallers1 wrote: »

...Can somebody explain what Gay Mitchell meant about MMcG changing the state from the inside? Isn't that what Politics is about?

I thought that was a bit of a bizarre comment.

Wouldn't be the first bizarre thing from Mitchell - I personally think his heads in the clouds.

InchicoreDude

HellsAngel wrote: »

For the party that got 36.1% at the last election FG are now as per PaddyPower 4th in the race. When MMcG announced his standing he started at 6/1 and is now up to 9/4 !!!

And look at Mitchell's performance where he claimed that that Sinn Fein manipulated the Joe Duffy show vote and then had to admited that FG did text members asking for support in Liveline poll during the week* !!!!

Next he seems to be implying that people don't have the right to vote for MMcG and that their's some sort of military coup about to happen if the MMcG is elected Mitchell said "he had spent his life defending the State, and he was not about to surrender it to people who will change it from the inside."

So for a party that has 76 seats out of 166 in the Dail but are now lying fourth, are FG/Mitchell making a mess of another election ???




FG did text members asking for support in Liveline http://twitter.com/#!/JustinMacTDFM

claimed that that Sinn Fein manipulated the Joe Duffy show vote http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74518707&postcount=1622

I have to agree; I wasn't to vote FG originally. I was going to vote Michael D. However, FG's constant berating of M McG has changed my mind and now I'm going to give Martin Mc my vote. I just think he is not getting a fair deal out of other. Come on, Do people really believe it is inapproriate "to be head of our defence force?"

bleg

I've actually been impressed with his media appearances but won't be voting for him as I don't share his ideology of a christian conservative country.

maddragon

Is Martin McGuinness not allowed to move on. He is fit to be deputy first minister in the north where 800000 Unionists are supposed to accept him but he's not fit to be president (a ceremonial role) here. I was in the Defence Forces and I will seriously consider voting for MMc. Of course if FF hadn't committed Hari Kari and selected Brian Crowley, I would have another credible candidate to vote for.

Zubeneschamali

maddragon wrote: »

Is Martin McGuinness not allowed to move on.

No, of course not.

flutered

gay mitchell is a very professional politican, these guys are never in touch with reality, he is cut from the same cloth as berty and clowen etc, fg are gone down the same road as ff, in power, heads so big that they cannot get hats in ireland that fit them, so they need to send to texas for them, they have forgotton how come they were elected, it was because they were seen as an atternative to the failures and the gomgreens. he reminds me of a tory a grey man with outlandish ideas, none of which cost him a cent, but will be seen at the head of the crowd.

HellsAngel

niallers1 wrote: »

If they ran Pat Cox I would have voted for him. This leaves MMcG as the only other person of Political calibre in this Presidential election.

I will be voting for MMcG.

Can somebody explain what Gay Mitchell meant about MMcG changing the state from the inside? Isn't that what Politics is about?

I thought that was a bit of a bizarre comment.

Exactly even if the PRes is just a ceremonial position. Basically and in typical FG mode, Mitchell is saying he doesn't care what the public votes for, he will decide that regardless if a person or political party is elected and chnaging things within the constitution, he will oppose thme regardlessly. This is similiar to when Minister of Defence Paddy Donegan in 1976 called the President Ó Dálaigh a " thundering disgrace ". This caused a huge controversy with Ó Dálaigh resigning "to protect the dignity and independence of the presidency as an institution".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddy_Donegan

Ok I know the Pres position is only ceremonial, but FGers, can you explain how Mitchell would have the right to ignore the democratic right to change this incompetent, cronyist state " from the inside" ??

thebman

HellsAngel wrote: »

Exactly even if the PRes is just a ceremonial position. Basically and in typical FG mode, Mitchell is saying he doesn't care what the public votes for, he will decide that regardless if a person or political party is elected and chnaging things within the constitution, he will oppose thme regardlessly. This is similiar to when Minister of Defence Paddy Donegan in 1976 called the President Ó Dálaigh a " thundering disgrace ". This caused a huge controversy with Ó Dálaigh resigning "to protect the dignity and independence of the presidency as an institution".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddy_Donegan

Ok I know the Pres position is only ceremonial, but FGers, can you explain how Mitchell would have the right to ignore the democratic right to change this incompetent, cronyist state " from the inside" ??

Vote for change....

flutered

ah yes, the cockroche as donegan was known, i would hazzard a guess that he would not be in thee top five minesters for justice in this country, think of mac fool and muntiply that by the first figure that comes into your head, as good a recuting officer for the ira as paisley.

PeterIanStaker

Mitchell is a dull godbothering stick in the mud who wouldn't be out of place in the American Bible Belt.

He's proof that FG are as much in thrall to the Vatican as FF are. There's little chance he (as President) would sign legislation into law that would reduce the RCC's power in, say, education. He would delay any such progress as much as possible by referring it to the Supreme Court, etc.

McGuinness entering the race has put the sh1ts up FG bigtime and they're on the back foot. If I were them, I'd drop the Archangel Gabriel right now and get another candidate ASAP. One who is the owner of a frontal lobe.

But no, they won't - because they're complacent, arrogant, still blaming Fianna Fail for everything, damning this country like Coleridge's Ancient Mariner to make us wear the Albatross of austerity.

/gets coffee.

dulpit

InchicoreDude wrote: »

I have to agree; I wasn't to vote FG originally. I was going to vote Michael D. However, FG's constant berating of M McG has changed my mind and now I'm going to give Martin Mc my vote. I just think he is not getting a fair deal out of other. Come on, Do people really believe it is inapproriate "to be head of our defence force?"

Are you really saying that you were going to vote for Michael D, and something that Fine Gael did now makes you want to switch your vote to McGuinness? Where's the logic there???

the groutch

it looks like this is one of the rare occassions that people will be voting for the person, not the party

Marou

As President, MMcG wouldn't have the power "to change the state from within" even if he wanted to. However, one of the powers the President does have is the signing of legislation. I am sure MMcG wouldn't have been so quick to sign the EU/IMF bailout legislation that sold us down the river. If that's the kind of change Mitchell is talking about, then bring it on.

Happyman42

Marou wrote: »

As President, MMcG wouldn't have the power "to change the state from within" even if he wanted to. However, one of the powers the President does have is the signing of legislation. I am sure MMcG wouldn't have been so quick to sign the EU/IMF bailout legislation that sold us down the river. If that's the kind of change Mitchell is talking about, then bring it on.

Having a polar opposite in The Aras might make for a refreshing change alright. They'll make sure to have their i's dotted and t's crossed before sending the paper work to the Park.